 I can change that easily. Should I change that?
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 @S. J. [For motivational purposes: Some users are very fixed on low RAM digits and they …], And/Or tell him how to disable things in lxqt not present in lxde. Like runner and qlipper
 I have compare task by task and lxqt use less resources than lxde
 After starting
 I would have to easily say if Hans didn't find any resource bloating, I'm not sure if it exists. He's pretty meticulous about this kind of thing. The idea to include a pro tips post is a good idea though.
 Congrats to wxl for becoming a Lubuntu Developer!
 Congrats wxl!!!
 @SamuelBanya [I would have to easily say if Hans didn't find any resource bloating, I'm not su …], I mean, at least lxqt components are equal or better than lxde in terms of resources consumption. But there might be other tasks that consumes more in 18.10 compare to previous or more tasks than before
 I would be interested in your approach on how you would compare resource usage with scripts. Seems interesting
 I'm wondering if we could compare different versions within a VMs and run automated regression testing on all versions simultaneously
[16:06] <teward> those of you who use the weblate system, is email working for you still?
[16:06] <teward> (for the translations)
[16:13] <teward> BLECK!  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1122260/suggestions-for-lubuntu-18-10
[16:13] <teward> tsimonq2: wxl: et. al.: ^ Some of those requested chages are likely "No Gos" because of things
[16:13] <teward> such as flatpaks and Wine
 I saw this the other day
 it was reposted today.
 like 11 minutes ago 😛
 Hah
 3 is valid, 4 is half valid
[17:03] <wxl> wow, i finally made the big time
[17:04] <wxl> can someone on telegram tell S. J. to get a username so irc'ers can @ them?
[17:04] <wxl> regarding the resource usage thing, i think there's something to be taken from it
[17:04] <wxl> there's a post from pcmanfm back in the day (on lxde's blog) talking about how resource usage in qt was actually better than it would be in gtk3
[17:05] <wxl> of course, lxde isn't even gtk3 compatible yet
[17:05] <wxl> and gtk2 is hanging on by a thread.......
[17:05] <wxl> so this argument is starting to become less and less valid
[17:05] <wxl> that said, i do think that some people come to lx* because they're looking for low resource usage, so i think it would be useful for us to offer suggestions to reduce resource usage
[17:06] <wxl> this should be a tips and tricks thing in the manual
[17:06] <wxl> @HMollerCl is that something you can do?
[17:06] <wxl> if so, i will happily write a blog post discussing the subject and presenting it
[17:07] <wxl> i'd also be willing to take the suggestions and use them to show actual tests on real machines
 wxl: Quick side note, wanna get some uploading experience?
[17:17] <wxl> naturally
[17:17] <wxl> gotta do it l8r tho
 Ok
 @wxl [<wxl> gotta do it l8r tho], Let me know when you're ready
[17:18] <wxl> p.m.
 Gotcha
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl is that something you can do?], Yes, I was thinking something in the manual too
 But my priorities right now are on update notifier, so we can have it in 19.04
 I think we need to do something with nm-tray too
[17:21] <wxl> @HMollerCl could i maybe ask you to make a task with the bullet points of what you know would make a difference? someone else can pick it up and run with it. maybe me.
 A task in phab?
[17:22] <wxl> please
 Does no one else see how easy this could be to automate this?
 can't log in phab here (oauth issue) I'll do i when on my computer that's already logge din
 @SamuelBanya [Does no one else see how easy this could be to automate this?], automate what?
 The regression testing to compare Lubuntu versions for comparison of resources
 It's definitely doable
 *usage
 I see we have a volunteer :)
 You know it dude
 I wanna be that guy
 I want us to be better than OpenSuse at this
 I like the idea, go make it happen :)
 @tsimonq2 fix falkon!
 I think is a good idea. Have in mind that also Ubuntu (core) might be heavier in 18.10 than before
 @acheronuk [@tsimonq2 fix falkon!], :P
 If you saw OpenSuse's latest QA automated tester, it's so cool.
 I can do the vms on my desktop at home.
 If I may I'll also ask the open suse team how they did it but just talking this out, it just seems pretty easy with just a few virtual box instances open
 I ask to ask since I know though were open source, is it good practice to ask other OS teams how they solved this?
 openqa?
 Yeah
 I was fascinated with that idea when I read about it the other week
 Sounds like it would save us so much time and headaches
 http://open.qa/
 Thanks
 neon use that for their isos
 I would ask about the autopilot testing we have in Ubuntu as well
 @acheronuk [neon use that for their isos], Their jenkins runs the jobs https://build.neon.kde.org/view/openqa%20%E2%9B%91/
 Thats a good idea for Ubuntu too since they're upstream
 I'll get to working on that this week in that case
 On a side note, is it also possible to make images specifically for Lubuntu that come preinstalled with software, like for instance, a Steam specific Lubuntu image for light weight games or a music based distribution like Ubuntu Studio but for Lubuntu?
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> O_o
 I don't think Canonical will give us the infra for that
[17:45] <lynorian> @Samuelbanya that could make a problem of who would test it
 That too
 @tsimonq2 I believe that YOU would be the one who has to test it :P
[17:52] <wxl> @SamuelBanya You might want to get on the ubuntu-devel-discuss list or the ubuntu-qa list and bring it up with them. This is not in general a Lubuntu question.
 also consider @SamuelBanya that SOME of those images you'd be after have other legal licensing headaches because they can't be distributed under FOSS licensing
 (which is why some things are just not available on the images)
[17:53] <wxl> @SamuelBanya and again, specifically in relation to *buntu, you'll need to sell the idea as to how it compliments/works with the existing automated testing that already exists
 Will do
 Good to know since I was debating forking images from Lubuntu for those kind of images but that s good to know it's not in the FOSS model
[18:00] <wxl> well you can certainly do that
[18:00] <teward> ^ that
[18:00] <wxl> but it'd be your own thing
[18:01] <teward> and just be aware that if you start distributing it that might be against the Terms of Distribution/Use of some software.
[18:01] <wxl> and when your people come in #lubuntu for support we will point them right back at you (see lxle)
 yes hi hello i am using lubuntu steam edition and i has error when run steam it say 666errordoomchaosbeelzebubiaiacthulhu666 how do i fix
[18:02] <wxl> totes
 Go talk to Sammy Boy, because we don't support steam edition it's a not-supported variant.
[18:02] <wxl> it's just as bad as the person the other day who wanted to install deb files from random places on the internet... and like we're supposed to support that?
 but its based on lubuntu y u no support
 BECAUSE WE SAID SO!  *banhammer*
[18:02] <wxl> XD
[18:02] <teward> um I mean... :P
[18:02] <wxl> fair, though
[18:03] <wxl> lxle dude got a bit miffed when we got weird support problems that we couldn't reproduce in lubuntu and we refused to help
[18:04] <teward> that sounds like all the Mint and Debian and Kali users who post on Ask Ubuntu wanting help and end up getting told "We don't support these sorry"
[18:04] <lynorian> oh yeah I remember those days
[18:04] <wxl> YES
[18:04] <wxl> oh you have mint? *stuffs cotton in ears* uh huh?
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 Good points
 I feel like the most doable variant is probably Lubuntu Studio with foss audio tools
 It exists upstream under Ubuntu Studio already.
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> O_o
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> After Disco releases: Step 1: Install Lubuntu. Step 2: Install Ubuntu Studio Installer. Step 3: Run it, select what you want. Step 4: ??? Step 5: Profit!
 Not really
 @SamuelBanya [Not really], How so?
 The idea I had was to make a flavor variant with packages already installed
 OHhhh... okay.
 Not necessarily install it separately
 Yeah, default is remaining Xfce for Studio.
 Though I'll have to look to see if it's even viable with our contract as well
 Just an idea honestly
 I'll ask the Ubuntu Studio team how they were able to convince canonical in that case
 So, basically, we weren't.
 We explored the idea of having multiple DEs / ISOs, but couldn't go down that road for time & manpower reasons primarily.
 So, instead of getting multiple DEs, we decided to make it easily installable on all flavors.
 With the ISO remining Xfce.
 So, you can get Ubuntu Studio as a ISO or as a toolkit.
 Wait so Erich
 You are a part of the Ubuntu Studio team?
 Yes.
 Just asking, slightly confused
 Ah cool
[18:54] <wxl> i think what lubuntu could really use is more quality/refinement of its core product rather than lots of additional extra features
 That's true
 What about any core utilities
[18:54] <wxl> e.g. all lubuntu users could use the latest version of lxqt (just came out; needs packaging) but not all lubuntu users need audio tools
 Could we maybe partner up to create some simple useful ones that don't exist by default and make it our own?
 That s true
 Thats why I debated the flavor variant
[18:55] <wxl> there are tasks for stuff that we could use. we don't have a good qt-based hardinfo replacement, for example.
 Also, Ubuntu Studio isn't just for audio, that's just the hardest to configure which is why we put so much effort into it.
[18:56] <wxl> @Eickmeyer sorry for reducing the scope of studio to just audio but when i've used its tools, i've used the audio ones.
 I can name one off the top of my head that would save us soooooo much support time: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119
[18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Make checksum verification automatic: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> wxl: No worries. :)
[18:57] <wxl> my old rig that i performed with for a long time even had kxstudio stuff on it :)
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> wxl: Yeah, we're discouraging that use lately as it seems that Cadence has a bad habit of messing with people's audio configs pretty badly (i.e. Pulse will not start). Part of why the effort is to get Ubuntu Studio Controls refined to do the job that Cadence does but cleaner, and to get Carla into the repos.
[18:59] <wxl> Eickmeyer: i haven't really done any audio production in a while but i'd love to just have everything that i used in the repos, naturally, so good on ya.
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> Even falktx has been moving away from developing Cadence and splitting off the tools in the package.
 wxl: Do you have five mins and your GPG key? :)
 @tsimonq2 [wxl: Do you have five mins and your GPG key? :)], Sounds phishy.
 Hah
[19:03] <wxl> what are you thinking @tsimonq2 ?
 @wxl [<wxl> what are you thinking @tsimonq2 ?], Your first upload
 It's literally like uploading to a PPA, heh
[19:05] <wxl> well i'm not in front of the dev machine so there may be some limitations.....
 Do you have your GPG key?
[19:07] <wxl> yep
 Do you have arc and devscripts installed on the same machine?
[19:09] <wxl> nope
[19:09] <wxl> like i said, later probably better
 ...are you willing to install it? XD
 Ok
[19:10] <wxl> i find increasingly that lts versions make for poor development machines
 Hm?
 really?
 I don't :)
 *does all the dev in VMs of $latestVersion*
 :P
 @tsimonq2 [Congrats to wxl for becoming a Lubuntu Developer!], Congrats wxl !
[22:45] <wxl> thx dan :)
[22:45] <wxl> @tsimonq2: k3b? do you need a task?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: k3b? do you need a task?], Please
 Ready to do that upload yet? XD
[22:47] <wxl> no, we're still several hours away
 Ok
[22:49] <wxl> @tsimonq2: do we need to get trusty pulled from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/ ?
[23:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T186: get k3b back in the seed] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T186