| mrtuxblux | Is linux easier to crash with many programs than Windows for other people than me? | 16:17 |
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| apt-ghetto | I don't understand your question | 16:21 |
| mrtuxblux | I mean i have crashed in Linux several times when theres some programs on at the same time | 16:23 |
| mrtuxblux | And that doesnt happen in Windows | 16:23 |
| mrtuxblux | But still in some way Linux feels lighter / got a better look | 16:23 |
| apt-ghetto | Linux is more sensitive to RAM failures | 16:23 |
| apt-ghetto | Check the logfiles and check your RAM (memtest) | 16:24 |
| mrtuxblux | Why | 16:25 |
| mrtuxblux | how do i do that | 16:25 |
| apt-ghetto | Do you see the Grub menu at start? | 16:25 |
| mrtuxblux | Im in Linux rn | 16:26 |
| mrtuxblux | I got a journal thing firstly | 16:26 |
| apt-ghetto | Do you have installed your Linux in EFI mode? | 16:26 |
| mrtuxblux | How to know? | 16:26 |
| apt-ghetto | For efi => `sudo efibootmgr -v` | 16:27 |
| mrtuxblux | I got efi | 16:27 |
| mrtuxblux | /sys/firmware/efi | 16:27 |
| apt-ghetto | For logfiles => `journalctl -xb -p err` | 16:28 |
| mrtuxblux | Okay i got text | 16:28 |
| mrtuxblux | from efi command | 16:28 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TZjzxwwMwd/ | 16:28 |
| apt-ghetto | With EFI you have to look at https://www.memtest86.com/ | 16:29 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8wFYYMdjqP/ | 16:29 |
| mrtuxblux | Okay | 16:29 |
| apt-ghetto | You can exit from the journalctl with key "Q" | 16:30 |
| mrtuxblux | It exited automatically in fullscreen terminal | 16:30 |
| apt-ghetto | memtest should run several hours, so let it run during the night | 16:30 |
| mrtuxblux | i can do it while doing other things? | 16:30 |
| mrtuxblux | but why is it this thing with ram failure in linux? | 16:31 |
| apt-ghetto | It is only an assumption, that your crashes are related to RAM | 16:32 |
| apt-ghetto | Maybe you find other causes in the log files | 16:33 |
| apt-ghetto | You can use also `journalctl -xb -p warning` to see more log messages | 16:33 |
| mrtuxblux | okay | 16:33 |
| mrtuxblux | WHAT | 16:33 |
| mrtuxblux | Come back! | 16:34 |
| mrtuxblux | Where are you! | 16:34 |
| mrtuxblux | lubuntu | 16:37 |
| mrtuxblux | Are you apt-ghetto | 16:37 |
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| teward | doubt it | 16:37 |
| mrtuxblux | hello | 16:46 |
| mrtuxblux | Help me!! | 16:46 |
| mrtuxblux | who can help me | 16:46 |
| Eickmeyer | !patience | mrtuxblux | 16:47 |
| ubottu | mrtuxblux: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ | 16:47 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WyHvvQMRYk/ | 16:48 |
| mrtuxblux | I got a new question | 16:48 |
| mrtuxblux | Is this a good thing... | 16:48 |
| Eickmeyer | No, that looks like you have a RAM failure in your hardware, but I'm no expert on that. | 16:48 |
| mrtuxblux | hardware | 16:49 |
| mrtuxblux | So on Windows also? | 16:49 |
| mrtuxblux | can this be fixed easily? | 16:49 |
| Eickmeyer | Your entire computer likely needs replacement, or at least the RAM. | 16:49 |
| mrtuxblux | What | 16:49 |
| mrtuxblux | Why my whole PC because off the ram?? xD | 16:50 |
| Eickmeyer | Depends on if the RAM is soldered or not. | 16:50 |
| Eickmeyer | But, yes, looks like your RAM is bad. | 16:50 |
| mrtuxblux | The ram is with sticks | 16:50 |
| Eickmeyer | Then you need to replace the RAM. | 16:51 |
| mrtuxblux | oh so that will make my PC better? | 16:51 |
| Eickmeyer | If that doesn't work, then your motherboard might have an issue, but I'd start with the RAM. | 16:51 |
| mrtuxblux | ... so i can waste money | 16:51 |
| Eickmeyer | That's up to you. | 16:51 |
| mrtuxblux | well can you tell me if my motherboard is broken in some way | 16:51 |
| mrtuxblux | If i can know that | 16:51 |
| Eickmeyer | I cannot. | 16:51 |
| Eickmeyer | And by the way, for future reference, nobody in this chatroom is required to help you. | 16:52 |
| mrtuxblux | Yes i know xD' | 16:53 |
| Eickmeyer | Hardware troubleshooting is tricky. If you would feel better just replacing your motherboard, feel free. But, chances are you need to replace the RAM even if you do that. | 16:53 |
| mrtuxblux | I mean that if i buy ram it may not be broken but only the motherboard? | 16:54 |
| mrtuxblux | And how can i know my max ram | 16:55 |
| Eickmeyer | No, it could be both. | 16:55 |
| mrtuxblux | Wait was i supposed to do memtest86 with sudo? | 16:55 |
| Eickmeyer | Looks like, from your paste, you have 8GB of RAM installed, but only just over 5GB is addressable, which is where it failed. | 16:55 |
| Eickmeyer | mrtuxblux: Wouldn't matter. | 16:55 |
| mrtuxblux | oh | 16:55 |
| mrtuxblux | and this dont work with windows either? | 16:55 |
| Eickmeyer | That's a Linux program. | 16:56 |
| Eickmeyer | Really, a GNU program. | 16:56 |
| mrtuxblux | I mean my ram is broken on the hardware | 16:56 |
| mrtuxblux | So it dont work on Windows | 16:56 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes. It's indicitive of a hardware failure that Windows is likely working around if it's working at all. | 16:56 |
| Eickmeyer | Linux is much more sensitive to RAM failures. | 16:56 |
| mrtuxblux | okay | 16:56 |
| mrtuxblux | I dont understand this. Windows got 5gb ram and it will handle that better? xD | 16:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Basically, Windows might work, but its performance would be affected. | 16:57 |
| mrtuxblux | Ye linux does too but okay so a working ram = Linux is on the same level as windows? | 16:57 |
| Eickmeyer | If not better. | 16:58 |
| mrtuxblux | With the ram things? With the thing ram does? | 16:58 |
| mrtuxblux | if i got 5gb some ram must work so how do i single out them? | 16:58 |
| Eickmeyer | There's no way to tell. You should just replace it all. If it was due to a power surge or static, that can mess up a lot of things on your motherboard and other RAM stick(s). | 16:59 |
| mrtuxblux | oh i think there has been a lightning and power outtages | 17:00 |
| mrtuxblux | I have had this computer a long time | 17:00 |
| Eickmeyer | That would do it. | 17:00 |
| mrtuxblux | okay then i will not risk using my PC at that times again | 17:01 |
| Eickmeyer | And, considering all of the heat/cool-down cycles it's likely been through, that weakens solder joints on the motherboard and other circuits over time. It might be time to replace the whole thing. | 17:01 |
| mrtuxblux | do you think amd radeon r7 240 or the ram is the problem with bad performance video editing? | 17:01 |
| Eickmeyer | Likely the RAM. | 17:01 |
| mrtuxblux | oh | 17:02 |
| Eickmeyer | The RAM, if it's bad, will degrade performance considerably no matter the operating system. Most of your computer's performance revolves around RAM. | 17:02 |
| mrtuxblux | Okay | 17:03 |
| mrtuxblux | What is this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jWtVWpVtFw/ | 17:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Now you have a package installation issue. Try running "sudo apt -f install" and see if that helps. | 17:05 |
| mrtuxblux | Nope :( | 17:05 |
| mrtuxblux | so my packaging is also broken thats why i havent gotten updates for days | 17:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Now try "sudo apt install libkf5kdelibs4support5" and see what that says. | 17:06 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yNj3xyHSbN/ | 17:09 |
| Eickmeyer | What version of Lubuntu are you running? | 17:11 |
| mrtuxblux | Latest i think | 17:17 |
| Eickmeyer | And, you might try removing ksysguard (sudo apt purge ksysguard). | 17:18 |
| mrtuxblux | How i check that? | 17:18 |
| wxl | lsb_release -a | 17:18 |
| mrtuxblux | its not on my pc | 17:18 |
| mrtuxblux | ksys | 17:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Regardless, try removing it. | 17:18 |
| mrtuxblux | I did | 17:18 |
| mrtuxblux | Ubuntu 18.10 cosmic | 17:18 |
| Eickmeyer | The result? | 17:18 |
| mrtuxblux | no LSB modules | 17:19 |
| Eickmeyer | Hmmm... | 17:19 |
| mrtuxblux | Can i post it? | 17:19 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, using pastebin. | 17:19 |
| mrtuxblux | in chat the 5 line text | 17:19 |
| wxl | no LSB modules??? | 17:19 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ymfypqBrPP/ | 17:19 |
| wxl | well whatever. the answer is there at least. | 17:20 |
| Eickmeyer | I was asking about the result of running "sudo apt purge ksysguard". | 17:20 |
| * Eickmeyer slides wxl coffee | 17:23 | |
| wxl | thanks. still finishing this dark roast | 17:23 |
| wxl | i haven't had coffee in a while, so it's going to be a friday to remember | 17:24 |
| wxl | 🤯 | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Feeling productive, I take it. | 17:24 |
| wxl | indeed | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Nice... | 17:24 |
| wxl | nice to see you here, btw, helping us out! | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Hey, I'm everywhere I can be to help. :) | 17:25 |
| wxl | you're my hero :) | 17:25 |
| Eickmeyer | XD | 17:25 |
| mrtuxblux | oh okay i will show you | 17:25 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k7dDzwH3rD/ | 17:26 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, run "sudo apt autoremove" then "sudo apt update" then "sudo apt upgrade" | 17:26 |
| mrtuxblux | okay | 17:28 |
| mrtuxblux | its done | 17:28 |
| mrtuxblux | nothing new installed | 17:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Cool, and no errors? | 17:28 |
| mrtuxblux | ye | 17:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, then your packaging errors are fixed. | 17:29 |
| Eickmeyer | You should start receiving updates again. | 17:29 |
| mrtuxblux | what | 17:29 |
| mrtuxblux | when | 17:29 |
| Eickmeyer | When they're available/released. | 17:29 |
| mrtuxblux | okay | 17:29 |
| mrtuxblux | and it cant be broken? | 17:29 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, no promises, but at least you're in a normal situation again. | 17:29 |
| mrtuxblux | okay | 17:30 |
| mrtuxblux | and i use 4682 ram with a game on and chrome | 17:30 |
| mrtuxblux | so im fine with that little ram? | 17:30 |
| mrtuxblux | i dont remember what it is that freezes me | 17:30 |
| mrtuxblux | cant swap fix that? | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | I would recommend higher, but of course, that's because I run Ubuntu Studio and have a higher need. BUT, if you have 8GB installed but can only use 5GB, that's a serious hardware issue. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | No, swap won't fix that because your computer is going to continue to address all 8GB. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Whether or not it can. | 17:32 |
| mrtuxblux | but how does windows use ram better? | 17:32 |
| mrtuxblux | It can know that ram is broken? | 17:32 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm not too sure about the specifics on that. | 17:33 |
| mrtuxblux | okay | 17:33 |
| mrtuxblux | i wish i got to compare windows and linux with fair specs | 17:33 |
| mrtuxblux | so that if i got a normal PC with same specs they can be compared | 17:34 |
| Eickmeyer | If you want a fully-funtioning computer again, you need to replace your RAM at minimum. | 17:34 |
| Eickmeyer | *functioning | 17:34 |
| mrtuxblux | can i test other things for you to say if thats the only thing i need to do | 17:34 |
| Eickmeyer | I, honestly, don't know how to do that. RAM issues are most common, and other issues are harder to detect (or easier, as the system likely breaks completely if the CPU or GPU have issues). | 17:35 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rjHJj59vSd/ | 17:36 |
| mrtuxblux | I mean if my other hardware is good | 17:36 |
| Eickmeyer | First step though, is to replace the RAM. | 17:36 |
| Eickmeyer | If I were you, though, considering the unit's age, I'd replace the whole thing. | 17:37 |
| mrtuxblux | okay | 17:37 |
| mrtuxblux | okay i dualboot so i will check this memtest in windows too | 17:38 |
| Eickmeyer | Good luck. | 17:38 |
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| mrtuxblux | hello | 20:19 |
| mrtuxblux | i cant download conky even | 20:19 |
| mrtuxblux | How do i fix my mirrors? | 20:19 |
| lubot | <teward001> what'sthe error(s) you get? | 20:37 |
| mrtuxblux | What | 20:53 |
| mrtuxblux | Im gonna try fedora | 20:53 |
| mrtuxblux | please help me im not gonna get fedora | 21:02 |
| mrtuxblux | how do i get the default packaging? | 21:03 |
| wxl | of what? | 21:04 |
| mrtuxblux | lubuntu | 21:07 |
| mrtuxblux | i cant install anything | 21:07 |
| mrtuxblux | never get updates | 21:07 |
| wxl | you can always run the updater | 21:08 |
| wxl | updates are not automatic by default | 21:08 |
| mrtuxblux | hello | 21:08 |
| mrtuxblux | nvm im gonna sleep now xD | 21:08 |
| wxl | ok, well | 21:08 |
| wxl | here's what you need to know: | 21:08 |
| wxl | in 18.10 notification of updates is broken (https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166) | 21:09 |
| mrtuxblux | well i mena | 21:09 |
| wxl | you can, however, make updates automatic | 21:09 |
| mrtuxblux | i cant install updates | 21:09 |
| wxl | or you can just run the updater periodically | 21:09 |
| mrtuxblux | or install any new app | 21:09 |
| wxl | what's the result of doing so? | 21:09 |
| mrtuxblux | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sy5FPq67Pm/ | 21:10 |
| wxl | why not remove conky? | 21:11 |
| mrtuxblux | cant install it | 21:12 |
| mrtuxblux | its never been installed | 21:12 |
| lubot | <Eickmeyer> wxl: He had the same issue with ksysguard earlier. I think he has a bad sources.list at this point. | 21:12 |
| wxl | harumph | 21:13 |
| lubot | <SamuelBanya> Erich I'd love to pick your brain about that project if you ever get a chance within the next week regarding your help with Ubuntu Studio | 21:13 |
| lubot | <SamuelBanya> *via pm | 21:13 |
| wxl | what's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and what's in /etc/apt/sources.list? | 21:13 |
| lubot | <Eickmeyer> I mobile right now otherwise I would chip in again. | 21:13 |
| lubot | <Eickmeyer> @SamuelBanya [Erich I'd love to pick your brain about that project if you ever get a chance wi …], Sure | 21:14 |
| mrtuxblux | I used a source list generator and it helped / fixed it completly but now i gotta sleep | 21:16 |
| mrtuxblux | Bye | 21:16 |
| wxl | ta | 21:16 |
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