[00:12] <mykhyggz> so I want to install this next to my windoze and ubuntu lts. I have free partition sda8. mounted is /dev/sda1 on /boot/efi -- so when I get the option to do "something else" do I just accept boot on /dev/sda and select sda8, then? Overwriting my work install won't be okay... ;-)
[00:23] <mykhyggz> meh. well, maybe I'll have one more chance to abort before it wrecks up my other partitions, if I don't pick right. Cheers, all.
[00:47] <mykhyggz> well, I totally chickened out -- I can't see what I'm to do to be sure I'm installing on a free partition and not b0rking my work installations. I have an ext4 ready, /boot exists, swap exists. I shouldn't need to format or partition... :(
[09:13] <Blackadder> Why does uninstalling a mail reader in xubuntu also remove the xubuntu desktop environment?
[09:14] <Blackadder> The same goes for other seemingly harmless 'redundant' software.
[09:16] <gnrp> Blackadder: What do you mean? That xubuntu-* package is removed?
[09:16] <Blackadder> Well I'm not on xubuntu atm, but yesterday, when I removed mail reader, and rebooted, I couldn't do anything on the desktop
[09:16] <Blackadder> everything was gone
[09:17] <gnrp> Blackadder: These are meta packages, which means they do not have any content to themselves, but provide dependencies on all the packages that are assumed to be on a system
[09:17] <gnrp> yu should never remove any xubuntu-* package
[09:17] <Blackadder> damn that's annoying
[09:18] <Unit193> Well, xubuntu-desktop is pretty safe to lose actually, though I don't know if GNOME software handles that very very poorly.
[09:19] <Blackadder> I'm on lubuntu atm, and when I try to remove pidgin from the synaptic package manager, it will also remove lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-gtk-desktop
[09:19] <Blackadder> seems silly that those things must co-exist
[09:20] <DarkTrick> I'm on xubuntu. Pidgin was no problem to remove
[09:20] <Blackadder> yeah I think I could remove that one as well
[09:20] <Blackadder> but there were others, seemingly redundant, that completely ruined my desktop
[09:22] <Unit193> Yeah but it's not important for xubuntu-desktop to be installed, though the upgrader (to newer releases) will re-install it.
[09:24] <Blackadder> I don't understand why it isnt important, if it removing it makes my desktop unusable
[09:25] <Unit193> Well, it simply shouldn't do that.  I don't have -desktop and haven't for quite some time.
[09:29] <DarkTrick> Unit193, you're working only on a tty?
[09:29] <Unit193> If by "tty" you mean "Xfce DE", then sure.  Otherwise no.
[09:30] <Blackadder> Anyway, thanks for the replies guys
[09:30] <Unit193> Blackadder: What'd you use to uninstall thunderbird?
[09:30] <Unit193> Err, 'mail reader'.  Do you mean thunderbird or...exo itself?
[09:31] <Blackadder> it was called mail reader in the 'software shop'
[09:31] <Unit193> I'd personally recommend anything but that, but that *may* mean 'exo', which is not an email client but something important to Xfce.
[09:33] <Blackadder> makes sense, I think
[09:33] <DarkTrick> Would probably nice to mark it as such in the software center.
[10:19] <brainwash> Blackadder: bug 1783764
[10:19] <Blackadder> crashes computer is a bit exaggerated
[10:20] <brainwash> so, mail reader is a shortcut provided by exo, and exo is an essential component of xfce
[14:23] <rebab> Is 20 GB HDD enough for Xubuntu?
[14:27] <GridCube> yes
[18:19] <dff> i tried everything google has to offer on this
[18:20] <dff> after installing nvidias drivers the splash screen is low res
[18:28] <dff> this did not help unfortunately . https://www.onetransistor.eu/2016/03/plymouth-fix-nvidia.html
[18:34] <brainwash> dff: I would ask in #ubuntu
[18:35] <brainwash> personally, I never bothered with this, and just disabled the boot splash
[18:38] <dff> ive tried like 50 solutions
[18:39] <dff> none work, my grub and initramfs-tools files look like aids now
[19:16] <Gobelijn> Thanks to whoever helped me this morning with answering my questions about meta packages and why they deleted my desktop environment
[19:16] <Gobelijn> Xubuntu has now become my main distro.
[19:19] <dff> i just have one hang out after using it for a couple of days
[19:20] <dff> the bottom right corner of the window manage is like 1 pixel wide to invoke the resize window mechanic
[19:20] <dff> other than that it's looking like it will become my main too
[19:20] <Gobelijn> Yeah true, I changed the theme to Daloa to prevent that
[19:20] <dff> i havent got that far yet
[19:20] <Gobelijn> Its in window manager
[19:21] <dff> oh
[19:21] <Gobelijn> Below style
[19:21] <dff> ah nice
[19:21] <dff> thanks
[19:21] <Gobelijn> your welcome
[19:21] <Gobelijn> you're
[19:21] <Gobelijn> I spent the last 3 days trying out different distros
[19:22] <dff> ive spent weeks
[19:22] <dff> i give a distro 3 weeks
[19:22] <dff> last one to get thrown out was linux mint
[19:23] <dff> ive yet to try arch or gentoo tho
[19:23] <dff> im not sure im cool enough
[19:23] <Gobelijn> hahah
[19:24] <Gobelijn> It was a close match between lubuntu and opensuse
[19:24] <Gobelijn> This morning I stumbled upon peppermint, which looked very promising and felt the same
[19:24] <Gobelijn> but its not as lightweight as l/xubuntu
[19:26] <dff> bottom line for me is the DE
[19:26] <dff> what's beneath doesnt really matter much to me
[19:26] <dff> debian based is a + tho
[19:31] <Gobelijn> can't believe I've never had to do this in linux before
[19:31] <Gobelijn> but how do you hide a map?
[19:32] <Gobelijn> oh, just place a dot at start of name
[19:32] <Gobelijn> cool
[19:35] <dff> you've never had to edit dotfiles?
[19:35] <dff> or use ls -a? :)
[19:42] <Gobelijn> no idea what that last thing means
[19:43] <dff> open a terminal
[19:43] <dff> type ls -a and enter
[19:43] <dff> ls = list
[19:44] <dff> -a = all
[19:46] <Gobelijn> Ah yeah I remember
[19:46] <Gobelijn> the ls
[19:46] <Gobelijn> wasn't thinking clearly
[19:49] <dff> you'll get a lot more out of your linux experience if you start getting comfortable with the command line
[19:50] <dff> i use it way more than any gui front end
[19:50] <Gobelijn> I used sudo nano this morning, so thats something :p
[19:50] <dff> a start
[19:51] <Gobelijn> to edit a protected file
[19:51] <Gobelijn> but you're right though
[19:51] <dff> you changed a configuration file i take it
[19:51] <Gobelijn> should use it way more often
[19:51] <Gobelijn> yes
[20:35] <Gobelijn> goddamn I'm happy with xubuntu
[22:36] <Kumool> (its a damn lie! run away!)