[17:03] <OvenWerk1> So I am guessing the FF is more about having to have made people aware of needs by that time :(
[17:05] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: It seems to me all most all ubuntustudio-* packages are considered look kinds of things rather than features.
[17:06] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: however in our case, -installer and -controls and the changes to other ubuntustudio-* packages to make other flavour stduio installation work are our main feature :)
 Who has done the most uploads to Ubuntu Studio packages, and if so, how many?
 Meaning, uploads with your name in the changelog
 @tsimonq2 [Who has done the most uploads to Ubuntu Studio packages, and if so, how many?], That's a great question.
 Probably me, in terms of entries in the changelogs.
 I definitely have the most commits this cycle.
 https://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase
 Use that and tell me how many, with links to your uploads, and I can give you my personal opinion on whether the DMB would grant you PPU
 (I happen to sit on the DMB, but in order to get the opinion from everyone else you'd need to attend the meeting}
 @tsimonq2 I'm trying to wrap my head around this. I honestly don't know how to use this just reading that page.
[18:01] <OvenWerk1> in -installer and -controls in general changelog has one line per commit. In installer in particular some of those commits may be as much as two years old.
[18:02] <OvenWerk1> We lost anyone who could do the uploads.
 Getting upload rights of any kind has been an uphill battle for this project.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: You can correct me if I'm wrong, but only one person at a time on the Studio team has ever had upload rights, correct? If so, that needs to change. A team this size should have two people with upload rights.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise, the bus factor is pretty bad.
 @tsimonq2 Honestly, regardless of upload numbers, it needs to be one or both of us. Actuallly, I'd like to see Ross have upload rights, but he isn't around often enough.
 The entire active team is myself, Ross, and OvenWerk1 right now.
 I don't know how to plead the case any better. Basically, if we can't get upload privs, or if someone with upload privs doesn't come alongside us, the project will die. This is a bad situation.
 Hence my "cry for help" email.
 I'm trying to help you, Erich
 The way it works is you connect to the UDD database with a (I think) postgresql client
 And query from there
 Here: https://udd-mirror.debian.net/
 That is your first step in figuring out if you can get upload access
 Additionally, each application is treated individually. Once you have one active person uploading, they can train the rest
 I have resources for what I expect prospective Lubuntu Developers to have knowledge of, and while it's not complete yet, it is what I used for wxl:
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/
 It's on my TODO list as a DMB action item to generalize that for Ubuntu
 I can help you out with uploads, but in order for me to review ten packages, I need you to meet me halfway with `check-all-the-things` reports, Lintian reports, and build logs on each.
 Once I know you know what you're doing, which starts with gauging where you're at right now, I'll be happy to advocate you for PPU
 If you don't want to do it but someone on the team needs to have upload access, I would expect the same from them
 I don't recall what Ross is in Debian, but if he's a DD he just needs to demonstrate to the DMB that he has proven uploads to packages in Debian and knows the difference between Ubuntu and Debian processes. As someone who has been through the DD process, it's intense, and I know for a fact that if you pass that you know what you're d
[21:13] <studiobot> oing.
 When I ask for upload numbers, I'm not looking for an arbitrary number. I'm looking for experience with packaging. If you've never dealt with Quilt, for example, I wouldn't advocate you or +1 you from the DMB side because it's a critical part of bugfixing
 It's a process, and while I understand you have a cry for help out, it's not as simple as you'd think. In that wiki page I've laid out everything I'd expect a Lubuntu Developer to know, so once you meet that criteria I'd advocate you for any combination of PPU