[00:04] <patakija> tomreyn: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycszz0ga97a8ysl/GOPR2637.JPG?dl=0
[00:04] <patakija> looked into all of them, they were either empty or had options that dont have any effect on the issue
[00:05] <tomreyn> patakija: nvme or sata configuration could be relevant. but if you already tried ... ok
[00:05] <tomreyn> i guess it all comes back to the error message you quoted initially
[00:06] <patakija> tomreyn: both of them empty
[00:07] <tomreyn> patakija: hehe. on the booted system, does "lsblk" return anything other than the system you booted from?
[00:07] <tomreyn> patakija: hehe. on the booted system, does "lsblk" return anything other than the storage you booted from?
[00:08] <tomreyn> ignore the first variant of this question, please.
[00:09] <patakija> dont worry, i got what you meant :D
[00:12] <patakija> it shows the pendrive and a 1,7G loop...
[00:13] <tomreyn> that's gonna be the ram disk
[00:14] <tomreyn> patakija: i suspect this is also you? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2413846
[00:15] <patakija> yep
[00:15] <tomreyn> if so, just return it saying you can't run linux on it (while you could on your previous HP)
[00:15] <patakija> i ran out the return period sadly... (didnt had time te mess with it)
[00:16] <tomreyn> patakija: the other option would be to have a kernel develop look into it, and then wait for them to maybe come up with a fix, and then a new kernel to be released with the fix, and then for a live cd to become available with this kernel version so you can install.
[00:18] <tomreyn> patakija: reporting a bug using the ubuntu-bug command, and another against https://bugzilla.kernel.org is probably the right thing to do if you're hoping to ever run linux on it.
[00:18] <tomreyn> ... booted form this emmc
[00:18] <patakija> i already submitted a bug report but so far no-one looked at it so IDK if thats going the happen, oh well i just rob the sd card from one of the rpi's and lets see if i can get installed on that
[00:18] <tomreyn> can you point me to the bug you reported?
[00:19] <tomreyn> maybe there's something i can add to it.
[00:19] <nightshift> Hang on, just understood what was happening here. Can I ask a couple questions?
[00:19] <tomreyn> nightshift: that's the primary purpose of this channel, if those are ubuntu related
[00:19] <tomreyn> ubuntu *support* that is
[00:20] <nightshift> I meant towards patakija and their problem  :)
[00:20] <patakija> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1818407       It was submitted from the live system so it could be missing stuff....
[00:21] <nightshift> patakija, I've had problems with my sd reader with debian, might be completely unrelated, but, worth a shot
[00:21] <patakija> okay, microsd card reader seems to be working, lets see if this picky uefi lets it boot from it...
[00:22] <nightshift> Were you able to access the reader while on the live system, and if not, did you try it with a card plugged in before you booted?
[00:22] <patakija> nightshift: funnily enough the sd card reader seems to be working, the issue is with the emmc storage
[00:23] <tomreyn> patakija: you said you also tried with 18.04.2 (the .2 being important), right? if so, same errors there?
[00:23] <nightshift> Ooooo, I misunderstood patakija, I thought emmc was referring to the cardreader, not hardwired storage, disregard
[00:23] <patakija> nightshift: NP :)
[00:24] <patakija> tomreyn: no, .1
[00:25] <nightshift> .2 might be needed?
[00:25] <nightshift> especially since it's a new machine
[00:25] <tomreyn> patakija: okay, you could try again with .2, which would give you both a newer (patches) and (slightly) higher versioned kernel image than the 18.10 installer. but i'm not promising anything there.
[00:26] <tomreyn> patakija: may i suggest to change this bug report in that it affects linux, not the release upgrader?
[00:27] <patakija> where can i do that?
[00:27] <tomreyn> patakija: and if you don't mind porting your kernel log ( https://termbin.com/mulu ) as a file attachment to the bug report this could be very useful in debugging this.
[00:28] <tomreyn> patakija: you can change the "affects" at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1818407
[00:28] <tomreyn> log in, then on the yellow line, click the triangle next to "ubuntu-release-upgrader"
[00:29] <tomreyn> then where it says "Package: ubuntu-release-upgrader", replace "ubuntu-release-upgrader" by "linux"
[00:29] <patakija> done
[00:30] <tomreyn> you may want to run "apport-collect 1818407" from the (k)ubuntu 18.04.2 installer/live system if you'll re-test with it
[00:32] <patakija> ok, making the thumbdrive right now, i really hope this is one of the faster ones...
[00:33] <johnfg> tomreyn: Still working on that annoying problem with sudo -i, been over in #ldap, but not getting anywhere yet.
[00:33] <johnfg> tomreyn: My question: would it hurt anything to remove sudo, then reinstall it?
[00:36] <patakija> tomreyn: no luck...
[00:38] <tomreyn> patakija: i updated your bug report
[00:39] <tomreyn> patakija: so you see the same messages now?
[00:39] <tomreyn> johnfg: removing sudo would impact your ability of running commands as root.
[00:39] <tomreyn> such as you'd need to install sudo
[00:41] <patakija> yes, and now also shows error -110
[00:41] <patakija> the only question is is this mmc0 device is the internal one or the card reader
[00:42] <tomreyn> patakija: error -110 is also printed on the termbin.com paste
[00:43] <patakija> okay, then i didnt notice it before..
[00:43] <tomreyn> patakija: unfortunately i'm not sure which one this is either.
[00:45] <tomreyn> hmm it's connected to the pci bus as 0000:00:1c.0
[00:45] <tomreyn> i suspec tthe sd card is rather connected to usb, but woul dneed to see lspci -nn and lsusb outputs to be sure.
[00:47] <tomreyn> the device reporting these errors is connected to an "Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor N4200/N3350/E3900 Series eMMC Controller [8086:5acc]"
[00:48] <tomreyn> patakija: you have secureboot disabled, right? i think it said so on the log, but we should double check.
[00:49] <patakija> yes, had to delete platform key to do it
[00:49] <tomreyn> ok
[00:49] <tomreyn> i think what's causing the issues is actually the controller, not the emmc itself.
[00:50] <patakija> lspci -nn :  https://termbin.com/m2ko
[00:50] <tomreyn> if you search for     linux "[8086:5acc]"   all you see is issues
[00:51] <tomreyn> 00:1c.0 SD Host controller [0805]: Intel Corporation Celeron N3350/Pentium N4200/Atom E3900 Series eMMC Controller [8086:5acc] (rev 0b)
[00:53] <tomreyn> patakija: apport already posted all the info needed now, thanks
[00:56] <patakija> i should be the one thanking for all the help... :)
[00:56] <tomreyn> ;-)
[00:56] <patakija> lets see if i can use an sd card in the mean time.... :D
[00:59] <Tin_man> I vote Ubuntu the most stable OS of 2019..
[01:01] <tomreyn> johnfg: so the problem is with this high GID you have there, not necessarily with sudo. i don't think you did already rule out having this GID defined in LDAP, did you?
[01:02] <tomreyn> johnfg: you could also share the pam + sudo + other configuration edits you made to get this system to authenticate against LDAP. so far i don't think yu shared any configurations.
[01:02]  * tomreyn bbl
[01:02] <johnfg> tomreyn: I did, in that's it's not in any data in openldap.  I just noted this to follow:
[01:02] <johnfg> Something else: after a reboot, the error still comes about the groups, but the number is changed.  So it must be generating it from somewhere.
[01:03] <tomreyn> hmm that's strange, yes, you'd expect this to not change dynamically.
[01:25] <smallville7123> How do I know if I can connect via USB Wi-Fi
[01:25] <smallville7123> As enp1s0 never changes
[01:26] <smallville7123> In ifconfig -a
[01:39] <tomreyn> smallville7123: enp1s0 is an ethernet (en) PCI (p) device, not a wireless LAN (wl) USB device. so your USB Wireless LAN device is just not detected.
[01:40] <smallville7123> USB Ethernet *
[01:40] <tomreyn> so it's with a wire, not wireless?
[01:40] <smallville7123> whatever Protocol USB Tethering uses idk
[01:41] <tomreyn> smallville7123: you can unplug the usb device, then run "dmesg -w" and keep it running, then insert the usb device, and post the output on the dmesg -w to a pastebin (and press ctrl -c to stop dmesg -w).
[01:42] <smallville7123> On my previous distro it always picked it up as an Ethernet connection
[01:42] <tomreyn> an usb connected tethered android device would look something like this enp0s29u1u2
[01:43] <smallville7123> Ok
[01:44]  * smallville7123 waits until his packages finish installing before disconnecting Bluetooth wifi
[01:52] <DUKENUKEM> tomreyn: thanks for the link ill check it out. my use case is that i had an ubuntu 14.04 machine that i was already kernel debugging, but then i need to debug kernel 4.4x. so i figured instead of installing a completely new ubuntu, i would dist-upgrade because i read that the latest 16.04 was supposed to be a 4.4 kernel which is exactly what i needed to debug. so i dist-upgrade'ed, then got on 4.4.0-142
[01:52] <DUKENUKEM> and found that i had no way to install the -dbgsym packge. i updated my packages with apt-get update, and saw i was able to get 4.4.0-21-dbgsym, so i installed that and installed the corresponding kernel package. thisbooted fine but broke systemtap. so now i have given up and said i should just install a newer version of ubuntu for my research. frankly, i would install debian but they use the SLAB
[01:52] <DUKENUKEM> alloactor and you guys use SLUB, so i am forced to use you or someone similar. anyway, end rant. just want to say that this isnt the first time ive had to wrestle with old ubuntu versions and have found myself left out in the dark without dbg symbols. frankly, this happens to me probaly once every few months where the ubuntu system is supposed to have my dbg packages but they dont.
[01:53] <yvyz> !spam DUKENUKEM
[01:53] <DUKENUKEM> spam? lol
[01:54] <DUKENUKEM> im making a valid complaint that i never see the proper dbgsym packages
[01:54] <smallville7123> Lol
[01:56] <DUKENUKEM> im forced to work within the confines of apt, and when i do so i cannot install what i need to install. if ubuntu offers -dbgsym packages, they shouldnt randomly take them offline. shit just like i said, google for a 4.4.0-143 dbgsym package. all you find is 2 pages of google where you can get an i386 package
[01:58] <DUKENUKEM> and obviously i appreciate ubuntu for what they do, but if theyre looking to be the distro that satisfies all demands, hey, here's a complaint
[01:58] <tomreyn> DUKENUKEM: no one here forces you to do anything. this is a support channel. discussions and rants should go elsewhere.
[01:58] <DUKENUKEM> its sometihing i run across all the time
[01:58] <DUKENUKEM> where should they go?
[01:59] <tomreyn> there is #ubuntu-discuss, but note that there are rules covering all the ubuntu channels (usually pointed to on the topic, such as here)
[01:59] <DUKENUKEM> ok ill redirect there then
[02:09] <mezan> I want to sync my local folder with a google drive account. I tried rclone but it's basic push/pull and not a two way sync client. Do you know any good alternative? I've found InSync but it's propietary
[02:10] <mouses> mezan: https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse
[02:12] <mezan> mouses: I'm not interested in fuses bcz they're not offline (or sync) just a local interface (right?)
[02:17] <mouses> mezan: right, maybe that won't work for you then :(
[02:18] <mouses> but I mean you could setup a script/cron job to copy/sync stuff for when it is online
[02:20] <mezan> mouses: I already have a simple script with rclone sync but the problem with this (and probably ocaml-fuse) is one-way sync which is quite dangerous! I want something like dropbox which kind of now when to delete and when not (and when give a conflict). But in the case of rclone you just do simple push and pull and you should manually consider everything which is quite error prone
[02:20] <mouses> yeah, makes sense :(
[02:20] <mouses> good luck, there's gotta be something out there
[02:21] <mezan> mouses: InSync is available but it's not free (as speech) and quite closed source.
[02:26] <tomreyn> DUKENUKEM: so for amd64, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-4.4.0-142-generic-dbgsym_4.4.0-142.168_amd64.ddeb is there and http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/xenial-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages (apt source "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ xenial-updates  main") points to it.
[02:26] <tomreyn> looks good to me.
[02:29] <tomreyn> or if you'll use -proposed, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux-signed/linux-image-4.4.0-143-generic-dbgsym_4.4.0-143.169_amd64.ddeb is also where "Package: linux-image-4.4.0-143-generic-dbgsym" in http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/xenial-proposed/main/binary-amd64/Packages (apt source "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ xenial-proposed  main") points to.
[02:56] <yvyz> I made a booboo configuring tightvncserver for myself and no I cannot launch nautilus on my local/regular desktop. I get this error in /var/log/syslog -> org.gnome.Nautilus[2035]: Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[02:57] <yvyz> No plugins. Only happening when I just open nautilus. I noticed that if I have a terminal opened running "nautilus --check", I am able to run nautilus as normal. Strangest thing ever.
[02:58] <yvyz> I guess the only booboo I made was: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel gnome-settings-daemon metacity nautilus
[02:58] <yvyz> gnome-terminaly
[02:59] <yvyz> And then nautilus got... ahem... naughty.
[03:01] <yvyz> mezan: Currently rclone does not support active sync on file/folder changes/updates. It is planned for the future but for now most users are using awaitnotify to get live syncing done.
[03:02] <yvyz> mezan: rclone is best used for backups and restores right now. There are some thing you can do, scripting wise with init.d or systemd or cron, to get similar functionality of "live syncing."
[03:02] <calher> What is the package for linux called?
[03:03] <yvyz> mezan: if you want to do something like a live backup, you should consider something like mounting web-dav disks or using sshfs locally.
[03:03] <mezan> yvyz: I'm now reading something about RCloneSync (a Python wrapper) ... what is awaitnotify? I couldn't find it
[03:03] <yvyz> I might not be using the correct name
[03:04] <mezan> systemd and live sync isn't important for me (I can do cron, or just manually). But since I've multiple clients I want a relible two way sync
[03:04] <yvyz> I personally have been waiting for live sync myself. The rclone platform is a godsend.
[03:04] <mezan> yvyz: what about grive2?
[03:04] <mezan> have you used it?
[03:04] <mcrabble> I'm having trouble with resume from suspend.  AMD APU, HDMI connection, the machine wakes, but the screen acts as if there's no signal.  Only fix is to hard reset
[03:05] <yvyz> mezan: multi remote functionality is supported and supported well. But I dont have a setup that requires supporting multiple clients yet. I intended on it and its where I found the roadblock with rclone you have right now.
[03:05] <calher> What ratio of disk space do you use for DejaDup?
[03:05] <mezan> yvyz: yeah agreed. Thanks
[03:06] <calher> I use 3:1 for full copies.  Should I use 0.5:1 for DejaDup?
[03:09] <yvyz> calher: expecting a .5x compression ratio is what I would consider "ballsy"
[03:10] <yvyz> Over prepare your disk partition, and expand as necessary.
[03:11] <calher> yvyz, so what is the proper ratio for usable disk space:DejaDup?
[03:12] <yvyz> That is highly dependant upong how you configure your backups, the number of incremental backups (or any) that you do, what you are backing up... and so forth.
[03:13] <yvyz> You should review what your total size of files you want to backup, calculate the common difference in sizes after changes (for mathing incremental) and going from there.
[03:13] <yvyz> I do not, perosnally, consider there to be a "proper ratio"
[03:13] <yvyz> Plus I back up to a huge RAID array.
[03:14] <calher> Then I can't do incremental backups.  I don't get more disk space until I know all of it can be backed up.
[03:14] <calher> So I buy four at a time.
[03:21] <smallville7123> tomreyn: https://bpaste.net/show/64c8415607b4
[03:30] <tomreyn> smallville7123: normally it'd look like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YNW5YQCTc5/
[03:31] <smallville7123> Ok
[03:31] <tomreyn> smallville7123: are you using *USB* tethering or something else?
[03:32] <smallville7123> I'm using USB tethering
[03:32] <tomreyn> smallville7123: which ubuntu version is this, whch android version?
[03:33] <nightshift> smallville7123, then what was your comment about the bluetooth when you were asked for that paste?
[03:33] <smallville7123> 16.04 android pie
[03:33] <tomreyn> "lsb_release -ds" returns what exactly? and "cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline"?
[03:34] <smallville7123> Xenial
[03:35] <yvyz> calher: Why do you have that restriction?
[03:35] <tomreyn> smallville7123: no
[03:36] <calher> yvyz, I'm tired of losing my data, and I don't use the Cloud.
[03:36] <smallville7123> 16.04.10
[03:36] <tomreyn> smallville7123: that's your second wrong guess, you're not running ubuntu
[03:36] <calher> smallville7123, .10?!  I jusst got .6 a few days ago!
[03:36] <tomreyn> come back when you do
[03:36] <smallville7123> Linux version 4.4.0-142-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-033) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.10) ) #168-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 16 21:00:45 UTC 2019
[03:36] <yvyz> calher: This is getting a little out of band for this channel, but consider spending more time reviewing your growth rates as you implement your backup plan.
[03:37] <yvyz> calher: Still don't understand why you would want to do some basic calculations on your growth rate, and throw down some extra drives to build a bigger storage partition.
[03:37] <calher> yvyz, I did ask for a ratio.  I just want a formula of some sort.
[03:39] <yvyz> calher: again, highly dependant on your compression selection, and how you configure your back ups. People are paid six figure incomes to develop storage stratagies for companies, this isn't a "one algorithm" fits all situation.
[03:40] <smallville7123> Should "lspci -n | awk '/0280/{print$3}'" return something if such suppo get
[03:40] <smallville7123> Should "lspci -n | awk '/0280/{print$3}'" return something if such support is present
[03:40] <calher> yvyz, I can't be trusted to design a reliable system.  It's why I don't use Arch.
[03:40] <tomreyn> smallville7123: are you running ubuntu?
[03:40] <yvyz> calher: lol, i respect your self awareness.
[03:41] <yvyz> calher: honestly, if you dont want to make it hard on yourself and not use incremental backups, consider a basic 1:1, use compression that could give you .74:1, and plan on (buy disks for) 1.5:1
[03:42] <smallville7123> No
[03:42] <yvyz> calher: but who knows, maybe you find a 150GB database dump and want to back it up with duplicity. How are you going to manage your backup storage array size when you are the one downloading and storing more and more files.
[03:42] <nightshift> tomreyn, I have a strange suspicion that if they are, its the original (beta) windows subsystem for linux, and, if so, access to peripherals was severely limited.
[03:42] <calher> yvyz, was this for NOT doing incremental backups?  I'm only interested in DejaDup for incremental backups; I use rsync for full backups.
[03:42] <yvyz> At that, we are now offtopic of this channel.
[03:43] <calher> DejaDup is the default for Ubuntu, but OK.
[03:44] <yvyz> What you are asking for is not ubuntu specific tho.
[03:45] <tomreyn> smallville7123: we only support ubuntu here. please feel free to ask your support questions here when you run it.
[03:45] <tomreyn> nightshift: i prefer facts over speculation, where possible.
[03:46] <nightshift> Of course.
[03:47] <yvyz> WSL is about as linux as BSD is linux.
[03:47] <yvyz> #opinion
[03:47] <calher> nightshift, are you running an Ubuntu-based OS?  Install Ubuntu, duplicate your problem there, and come back here with the Ubuntu system.
[03:48] <leftyfb> yvyz: WSL is not linux at all. Since it does not run the linux kernel. Regardless, any discussion/support for WSL should be done in #ubuntu-windows
[03:48] <nightshift> calher, I was speculating on smallville's problem. I AM running ubuntu, did have a problem earlier, fixed it, but still hanging around
[03:49] <yvyz> !offtopic
[03:49] <yvyz> There is also #ubuntu-discuss
[03:53] <tomreyn> also ##linux where some of us occasionally support non ubuntu users
[03:53] <yvyz> Ugh, I cannot get into ##linux because I am a tor-sasl user.
[03:54] <yvyz> :(
[03:55] <leftyfb> yvyz: visit #freenode for help with that. Your host has little to do with being able to auth to nickserv
[03:56] <yvyz> leftyfb: the channel itself has banned all tor-sasl users.
[03:56] <yvyz> due to endless abuse.
[05:14] <Sebastien> Can someone tell me how can i fix this? Package libpqxx-4.0 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[05:14] <Sebastien> E: Package 'libpqxx-4.0' has no installation candidate
[05:18] <OerHeks> Sebastien, on what ubuntu version?
[05:19] <Sebastien> 16.04
[05:22] <Bashing-om> Sebastien: Maybe get a hint of what is going on ' apt policy libpqxx-* " ?
[05:23] <OerHeks> it should be, enable universe?
[05:23] <OerHeks> !info  libpqxx-4.0 xenial
[05:30] <impi> hello. work gave me a mac, but I cannot run mac os, i simply cant work with it
[05:30] <impi> fancy mac, and i am trying to install ubuntu on it. getting a kernel panic with 18.04
[05:31] <impi> anyone seen this before?
[05:32] <calher> impi, I wish I could help.  I can sympathize with you, though.  My school forced us to use it and I almost got failed for saying no.
[05:32] <impi> damn. i don't know why they would do that
[05:32] <impi> insane
[05:32] <tarzeau> impi: one with secure chip? laptop or real?
[05:32] <tarzeau> impi: tried 19.04? debian?
[05:32] <impi> i can literally not even tie my shoes using a mac....
[05:33] <impi> bloody OS is so confusing
[05:33] <tarzeau> macOS is great stuff
[05:33] <impi> tarzeau: laptop
[05:33] <tarzeau> it's not confusing at all, you're just wasted by microsoft and linux
[05:33] <impi> hehe
[05:33] <tarzeau> wonder what you would do with solaris, haha or plan9
[05:33] <impi> good one
[05:33] <impi> i used to run gentoo, and freebsd
[05:33] <impi> thank GOD for ubuntu
[05:33] <tarzeau> i used to run OPENSTEP
[05:33] <tarzeau> ubuntu is PITA imho
[05:33] <impi> haha wow
[05:34] <impi> aww it's not that bad
[05:34] <tarzeau> it's about time to move on for me, sel4 or barrelfish.o
[05:34] <tarzeau> IT IS!
[05:34] <impi> how so?
[05:34] <tarzeau> are you running multiuser systems?
[05:34] <tarzeau> because of OOM!
[05:34] <impi> oh hectic, just web servers
[05:34] <tarzeau> try gnu/kfreebsd (i'm running that too)
[05:34] <tarzeau> oh we use it on the desktop since 15 years
[05:34] <impi> not hadd oom issues in a looong time
[05:35] <tarzeau> i'm having OOM once in a while
[05:35] <tarzeau> and it's not because we don't have enough memory
[05:35] <impi> maybe a kernel thing
[05:35] <tarzeau> and hardware failures bringing down the system is also ugly. not happening with micro kernels
[05:35] <impi> what kernel you running?
[05:35] <tarzeau> linux
[05:36] <impi> > 4.13 ?
[05:36] <tarzeau> yes it's a kernel thing, well disputable, if people go out of memory
[05:36] <tarzeau> yes. OOM is part of linux, and there's no solution to it:
[05:36] <tarzeau> https://lwn.net/Articles/104179/ (read the red part)
[05:36] <impi> what app is taking all the memory?
[05:36] <tarzeau> i'm glad linus is not running an airline
[05:37] <tarzeau> impi: mozilla firefox, google software, self written software
[05:37] <impi> oh i see
[05:37] <tarzeau> i wouldn't call software on linux systems app
[05:37] <yvyz> I have/had an ubuntu hacbook pro with retina.
[05:37] <tarzeau> because it's not self contained
[05:37] <tarzeau> don't get me started with snaps, appimage or flathub
[05:37] <yvyz> You dont exactly get the sweetness of everything mac (eventually it grows on you like a fungus)
[05:38] <yvyz> My hacbook took 18.4 with no problems.
[05:38] <tarzeau> yvyz: true. you get 2nd class software with gtk and qt (gnome+kde)
[05:38] <yvyz> impi: are you able fully boot?
[05:38] <impi> yvyz: no, i choose the solution to try ubuntu
[05:39] <yvyz> Side-note. Honestly if I wasnt lazy with configuring a replacement for time machine (which, dude... is pretty effin' sweet) i'd have ubuntu on it and nothing else.
[05:39] <impi> and then it fails with vfs
[05:39] <impi> let me get the error
[05:39] <yvyz> yes plz thanks
[05:39] <yvyz> I was a hardcore windows person, who became hardcore linux, softened up to ubuntu, and was grossly against apple for the longest time.
[05:40] <yvyz> That retina display though...
[05:40] <yvyz> And diskutil.
[05:40] <calher> I love Flatpak.
[05:40] <tarzeau> haha, and cell phone? i'm so against microsoft and google
[05:40] <yvyz> no, eff the cell.
[05:40] <tarzeau> not so much apple. iOS and macOS, tvOS are nice things
[05:40] <calher> yvyz, do you have a cellphone?
[05:40] <tarzeau> calher: what software do you install with it?
[05:40] <impi> yvyz: just trying 18.10 quick
[05:41] <yvyz> calher: ofcourse. its just not an iphone
[05:41] <impi> will grab the error on 18.04 now
[05:41] <yvyz> impi: ok.
[05:41] <yvyz> impi: thx
[05:41] <calher> tarzeau, what it was designed for: desktop applications.  Telegram, qTox, Delta Chat, Polari.
[05:42] <yvyz> flatpak == cross linux-platform apps
[05:42]  * tarzeau prefers debian packages
[05:42] <yvyz> ^ ditto
[05:42] <tarzeau> and free software (which telegram is not)
[05:42] <yvyz> But flatpak looks nice.
[05:42] <tarzeau> nor delta chat, nor polari
[05:42] <calher> tarzeau, the client is free/libre and does not rely on Chromium code.
[05:43] <Gerowen> debs are nice, but they often depend on other things on your system, and if you've got the wrong version of a library things can have a hissy fit.  With flatpaks or snaps, dependencies are part of the package, you don't have to install several other dependency packages to provide libraries for the thing you actually want to use.
[05:43] <tarzeau> yvyz: how come it's cross platform?
[05:43] <calher> Now Delta Chat is problematic.  It does use Electron, and I'm hoping to write a GTK client soon.
[05:43] <tarzeau> yvyz: it's cross linux, not cross platform, platform is i386, amd64, mips, sparc, m68k, arm...
[05:44] <yvyz> tarzeau: flatpak brings in a number of core libraries to your system and compiles them for you. allow the developer to reference the flatpak libs and not target an os specific version.
[05:44] <tarzeau> yvyz: can i get one such flatpak thing and it'll run on ALL MY LINUXen? certainly not
[05:44] <yvyz> you are right
[05:44] <yvyz> semantics
[05:44] <yvyz> shoot me.
[05:44] <tarzeau> it's not pre-built, so it's not cross platform (binary), but maybe source cross platform, but that's a lot of software anyways
[05:44] <tarzeau> the only cross-platform i remember is the one of NeXT 1989, with intel, hp-ux, solaris, windows, m68k, and sparc
[05:45] <yvyz> you are so l33t you could almost come over to #ubuntu-discuss to talk about this.
[05:45] <yvyz> impi: any luck?
[05:45] <tarzeau> meanwhile it's bought back from apple, and they have a nice plan (destroy microsoft, and google)
[05:45] <calher> I like being able to have a flash drive with each app having just a Windows installer, a Mac disk image, and a Flatpak ref.
[05:45] <tarzeau> yvyz: if you didn't say almost, i'd have joined
[05:45] <yvyz> ^ top.lol
[05:45] <tarzeau> i'd even go for reactos > windows
[05:46] <tarzeau> simply because of the company behind it, and the person, and their crime at humanity (arial, comic sans)
[05:46] <tarzeau> to just name a few
[05:46] <yvyz> !#ubuntu-discuss
[05:59] <yvyz> impi: still here?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows if bionic and higher isnt suppose to auto kernel cleanup now? remain current +2 previous ones?
[06:06] <flyinprogrammer> i believe the defaults in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d are going to show you that old kernel packages always stick around
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> lemme check fl
[06:08] <yvyz> Hey, any reason I cannot get nautilus to execute correctly from gnome dash-to-dock. was working perfectly until I fenagled some stuff for tightvncviewer. Now it just sits and gives me the waiting icon. I can launch it just fine from terminal though.
[06:08] <yvyz> #upset. Any ideas?
[06:08] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: i still use our own removeoldkernels script
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: but i thought it was now a feature baked in the updates, auto kernel cleanup?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> ive seen it work before
[06:09] <tarzeau> seems (from you) it's not active by default
[06:09] <tarzeau> it's some post apt hooks i think, no idea why it's not working for you
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats what im trying to find out why
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> flyinprogrammer: https://hastebin.com/adatawoheh.makefile
[06:10] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: i'm using this: https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/remove-old-kernels
[06:11] <yvyz> Also, how do I find out which .desktop file the unity launcher is referencing?>
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: are you on unity?
[06:12] <yvyz> sorry no
[06:12] <yvyz> i meant gnome
[06:12] <yvyz> its been a long day.
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: so nautilus isnt launching anymore after you messed with vnc?
[06:12] <yvyz> yes, I did some apt install gnome-*stuf* and nautilus was one of them
[06:12] <yvyz> ive tried reinstalling, no luck.
[06:13] <yvyz> I think of the .desktop's is either corrupted or wrong
[06:13] <yvyz> There a re few of them /usr/share/applications that refer to nautilus
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: maybe its user related in your /home configs
[06:13] <yvyz> I want to target the one that gnome is referencing and see if I can fix it. I can launch nautilus from terminal just fine.
[06:13] <yvyz> Maybe
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: while you launch, can you open a tail -f /var/log/syslog ?
[06:15] <yvyz> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VnPMgmmc64/
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> hmm display 2, did you edit some stuff during vnc screen assign or something?
[06:16] <yvyz> only the vncviewer config
[06:16] <yvyz> that was it.
[06:16] <yvyz> ive since walked back all changes
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> maybe thats where it went wrong
[06:16] <yvyz> removed vncviewer etc
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> nautilus still thinks it needs screen 2
[06:16] <yvyz> Well yea, but now theres some problem with no program associated with it
[06:18] <dixoncx> Hi, have setup encrypted swap with crypttab.. but after kernel upgrade boot is hanging.. "A start job is running for dev-mapper-swap.device ( ... / no limit)"
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau flyinprogrammer seems like sudo apt autoremove doesnt do anything, so must be good
[06:25] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: i also usually check deborphan and dpkg -l |grep -v ^ii
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: alot of RC
[06:28] <tarzeau> that's config file left overs
[06:29] <tarzeau> you can clean that up with dpkg -P (apt-get --purge remove pkg)
[06:29] <tarzeau> unless you want to keep the config files of that package(s)
[06:29] <client35> If my computer - 18.04 - isn't showing anything on the monitors, how can I "restart" it without restarting the whole machine? I'm looking at possibly restarting the gnome session while ssh'd in from my macbook
[06:30] <yvyz> Man I cannot figure this one out.
[06:30] <dixoncx> so we need to do for kernel upgrades after setting up cryptsetup - encrypted swap ?
[06:30] <yvyz> Cannot find anything
[06:30] <client35> since I'm ssh'd in, I tried running the following but I believe it's trying to apply that to my ssh connection
[06:30] <client35> $ gnome-shell --replace
[06:30] <client35> Window manager warning: Unsupported session type
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: are you on wayland or xorg?
[06:36] <yvyz> x11
[06:36] <yvyz> Im currently recursively grepping my entire drive for references to nautilus
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus-data
[06:37] <yvyz> Did that a bit ago. no dice
[06:38]  * yvyz wonders if reboot magic will work.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: check also dconf-editor for nautilus & vnc
[06:42] <yvyz> nothing out of the orginary. normal nautilus settings
[06:42] <yvyz> and then the password setting for vnc
[06:42] <yvyz> that was it
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: you still got ./vnc files in your home?
[06:44] <yvyz> rm -rf'd em
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> weird
[06:44] <yvyz> Yea I know
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: did you check all your workspaces too?
[06:45] <yvyz> Sure did
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: can you try from synaptic, see if there are multiple nautilus there
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: or try: export DISPLAY=:1
[06:52] <yvyz> did not work
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[06:53] <yvyz> still attemping 2
[06:53] <yvyz> yea and synaptic shows no duplicates
[06:53] <yvyz> i wonder if I need to just reinstlal ubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <yvyz> :(
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> nautilus probably thinks it needs to launch on screen 2 vnc
[06:54] <yvyz> yea, thats what I am thinking
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> the question is why, after killing vnc
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> and where :p
[06:55] <yvyz> and now I get the gtk warnings
[06:55] <yvyz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/72fKdrW5Tr/
[06:55] <yvyz> I went back and made sure it was attempting :1 from before and it was
[06:55] <yvyz> for something reason something is screwed
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: what about  export DISPLAY=:0 ?
[06:56] <yvyz> maybe I should nuke my gtk-#.# folders?
[06:56] <yvyz> neg
[06:57] <yvyz> ok
[06:57] <yvyz> wait
[06:57] <yvyz> i cycled throuhg them
[06:57] <yvyz> and I can run nautilus from terminal again
[06:57] <yvyz> still cannot get nautilus to launch with the launcher
[06:58] <yvyz> interesting
[06:58] <yvyz> as long as the nautilus progam is running from terminal, I can run nautilus from the launcher
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> weird that
[06:59] <yvyz> So when nautilus runs from the  laucnher, it is always trying :2
[06:59] <yvyz> Where it should be trying :0
[06:59] <yvyz> So, the vnc config somewhere screwed something up.
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: check properties of the nautilus icon in /usr/share/applications?
[06:59] <yvyz> I will note that I was never able to get the vnc to show gnome at alleither... in fact JUST nautilus
[07:00] <yvyz> yea, theres multiple declarations in there
[07:01] <yvyz> https://termbin.com/tl6y
[07:02] <whoareU> how to build a lan with two linux pc and one cable
[07:02] <yvyz> whoareU: a crossover cable
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: how about a nautilus purge, remove configs, remove icons from share, clean all system with bleachbit and reboot :p
[07:03] <whoareU> i dont know how to configure
[07:04] <yvyz> Ha
[07:04] <yvyz> whoareU: crossover cable
[07:05] <yvyz> lotuspsychje: all the .desktop's exec reference nautilus --new-window
[07:05] <yvyz> lotuspsychje: literally nothing in here out of the ordinary
[07:05] <yvyz> lotuspsychje: mabe some .X file is effed somewhere?
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> i only got 3 nautilus icons in there
[07:05] <yvyz> Which is why I wanted to figure out which file the launcher is referencing
[07:05] <yvyz> And I think i found it
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> aha!
[07:06] <yvyz> /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop
[07:06] <yvyz> Still, the exec command is good
[07:06] <yvyz> So it must be something with gnome-session maybe?
[07:10] <yvyz> Ugh. this is just one of those things... ya
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: im sure a new user might work
[07:11] <yvyz> ooh. lemme try
[07:14] <yvyz> woudnt ya know
[07:14] <yvyz> so its a user setting
[07:14] <yvyz> hm. now to compare
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> did it work?
[07:14] <yvyz> yea under the test user
[07:14] <yvyz> ran right away
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: so your idea of reinstalling ubuntu-desktop could work
[07:15] <yvyz> But now, like, which setting could be botched?
[07:15] <yvyz> yea it could.
[07:22] <yvyz> well.
[07:22] <yvyz> So i logged out/in again.
[07:22] <yvyz> Nautilus works. Terminal does not
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> oO
[07:22] <yvyz> So here I am on another tty
[07:23] <yvyz> I wonder if even a ubuntu-desktop reinstall would work at this point
[07:23] <yvyz> I dont understand, I literally touched  NOTHING of those configs
[07:23] <yvyz> I think gnome-session is the culprit
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah but i think tightvnc did
[07:23] <yvyz> yea
[07:24] <yvyz> I think its attempting to launch in the tightvnc's session
[07:24] <yvyz> And there is not one, so it fails.
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> yep
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> but only in your user
[07:26] <nakamaki> compare a working users hidden files in the home dir with yours
[07:26] <yvyz> hmm. oneof the configs i tried -> export "XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1"
[07:26] <nakamaki> sounds like theres files missing
[07:26] <yvyz> hmm. oneof the configs i tried -> " export XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1"
[07:26] <yvyz> I wonder if that is it?
[07:27] <yvyz> Im flipping between tty's so... brb
[07:28] <nakamaki> what happens when you login as the working user, su to the not working one and launch nautilus from the commandline?
[07:28] <nakamaki> and vice versa
[07:28] <yvyz> it works from the new user
[07:28] <yvyz> which is a tell that its a user config
[07:28] <yvyz> but ive been flying threw all of mine and cannot find anything
[07:28] <yvyz> Maybe its been exported into  my environment?
[07:28] <nakamaki> are there any log entries?
[07:30] <yvyz> such as?
[07:30] <nakamaki> errors, information?
[07:31] <yvyz> which log?
[07:31] <yvyz> nothing crazy shows from printenv
[07:31] <nakamaki> check ls /var/log for anything interesting
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> nakamaki: he pasted errors above; nautilus error on display 2
[07:31] <yvyz> Syslog only dumps that nautilus is trying for DISPLAY=:2
[07:31] <nakamaki> and also look into the syslog
[07:32] <yvyz> So we went through that. A new user is able to work correctly.
[07:32] <yvyz> And now that terminal will no run (with various errors) i am inclined to think gnome-session is at fault.
[07:33] <yvyz> I can execute chrome... etc
[07:33] <nakamaki> do you use 2 displays?
[07:33] <yvyz> and i use gnome-terminal
[07:33] <yvyz> 3
[07:33] <yvyz> DISPLAY is in reference to DISPLAY server
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: lets create a new bug for this, imagine more users trying out tightvnc..
[07:33] <nakamaki> might be related to a xorg config issue as well
[07:33] <yvyz> thats what I am thinking as well
[07:33] <yvyz> but for the life of me. I cannot find a file that references this
[07:34] <yvyz> lotuspsychje: I would, but I was using tightvnc /usr/lib/vncviewer configs that I found
[07:34] <yvyz> and also none of them seemed to do anything... crazy
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: did you follow a tightvnc tut?
[07:36] <yvyz> Hmm. i get:: gnome_shell[12996]: g_array_unref: assertion 'array' failed.
[07:36] <yvyz> When attempting to launch terminal
[07:36] <yvyz> lotuspsychje: a couple different onces. none of them worked.
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:38] <yvyz> ok. so directly, i get -> Error creating terminal: No such interface 'org.gnome.Terminal.Factory0' on object path /org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0
[07:38] <yvyz> Can umm, someone google that quick?
[07:40] <yvyz> I just wanted to enjoy my night. And now I am!
[07:40] <yvyz> I am [..........|] <- This close to reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <yvyz> but everything tells me to find the real problem and fixerize it
[07:41] <nakamaki> theres people suggesting to "locale-gen", "localectl set-locale LANG="en_US.UTF-8" and reboot
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah good idea
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: before your fix, create ubuntu-bug nautilus
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> it might help alot of other users
[07:43] <yvyz> oh F
[07:43] <yvyz> One of the scripts 'unset SESSION_MANAGER'
[07:43] <yvyz> can one of you echo yours?
[07:44] <yvyz> and echo DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[07:45] <yvyz> The script had me unset BOTH of those.
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: command?
[07:45] <yvyz> those are environment vars
[07:45] <yvyz> echo $SESSION_MANAGER
[07:45] <yvyz> and echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: session manager was empty line
[07:46] <yvyz> ok. no dice.
[07:48] <yvyz> argh
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: anything here? $HOME/.Xresources
[07:49] <SleepyTurtle> hi, I just executed a RAM demanding operation and my swap filled up
[07:49] <SleepyTurtle> The ram is now empty, but the swap is still high and my pc is lagging a bit
[07:49] <SleepyTurtle> how do I transfer swap back to ram?
[07:51] <yvyz> No XResources file
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: vncserver -kill :1
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> or :2
[07:53] <ducasse> SleepyTurtle: swapoff -a ; swapon -a
[07:54] <SleepyTurtle> ducasse: thanks
[07:54] <SleepyTurtle> why isn't this automatic?
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> yvyz: what about /etc/X11/Xvnc-session
[08:00] <yvyz> no x11 folder
[08:00] <yvyz> i reinstalled ubuntu-destop... nothing
[08:00] <yvyz> no change
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[08:00] <yvyz> I think I need to completely purge gnome and ubuntu from my machine
[08:00] <yvyz> and reinstall that way
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah nuke the whole thing
[08:01] <yvyz> lemme try a normal reboot first
[08:06] <yvyz> Ok. Phew.
[08:06] <yvyz> Everything works.
[08:06] <yvyz> But why.
[08:07] <yvyz> Yea. it was the evironment variables.
[08:07] <yvyz> I have like 5 or 6 more now
[08:08] <yvyz> Lesson: When messing with gnome-session servers foro vnc servers, remember to restart  your  machine
[08:09] <yvyz> much <3 lotuspsychje, and other guy that I lost my logs about but was helping as well.
[08:15] <yvyz> I got pretttty nervous there.
[09:19] <smallville7123>  
[10:17] <yuradoc> Hello. don't understand. it worked before. i did use 'git pull' to retrive newest code. After that I can't edit those files with editors installed.
[10:17] <yuradoc> interesting that that relates to GUI only. if i use terminal 'nano' it works
[10:18] <yuradoc> what's the error: "Error opening file... Read only file system The file or disk may now be truncated"
[10:18] <yuradoc> it's MATE DE
[10:26] <xiaxiaoyu121382> hello
[10:27] <guiverc_d> yuradoc, if your file-system is read-only, it usually means an error has occurred (power surge, minor hardware glitch etc) and an error-state has been detected, meaning it was made RO to protect your data.  You need to fsck (file-system check) then it'll usually return to mountable as read-write or good for normal use
[10:29] <yuradoc> interesting that i can create files/folders there
[10:29] <yuradoc> withouut any problems
[10:31] <guiverc_d> I was assuming read-only file system was a Linux (kernel error message), if from an app/program, you'll have to see what it means in that case by consulting the app/programs documentation (the kernel error isn't the same as you gave, no mention of truncated)
[10:32] <guiverc_d> yuradoc, this may help if it's what I was thinking (kernel protection error; rw file system made ro) - https://askubuntu.com/questions/197459/how-to-fix-sudo-unable-to-open-read-only-file-system
[10:33] <yuradoc> i was wrong. sudo works with gui too
[10:33] <yuradoc> i made files/dirs "rwxrwxrwx" rigths
[10:37] <yuradoc> ok, thanks. i check with fsck
[10:45] <yvyz>  /join #ghostscript
[10:45] <yvyz> lol
[10:45] <yvyz> nvm
[10:47] <guiverc_d> xiaxiaoyu121382, if you have a Ubuntu support question, please just ask it.  You should be patient in waiting for a response, if someone knows the answer, they will when they can.
[10:52] <Sbur3> Aside from copying all of /home/user from one place to another, is there another thing to copy or move to do a backup in a way to recover one's personal data?
[10:53] <Sbur3> I have several partitions that I want to reformat without losing the data on them.  I'm no pro at this (as you can see), but I want to do things completely.  I'll look into sorting everything out later
[10:53] <TheEagerPadawan> hi gents, if i do a dns lookup via nslookup or dig i get 127.0.0.1 as answer, how do i resolve this issue so it picks up the dns servers that i added to /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/tail
[10:55] <yvyz> TheEagerPadawan: dig whatever.com @namerserver.yea
[10:55] <Meili> Sbur3: formatting is the process of clearing all data. What do you want to accomplish exactly?
[10:55] <guiverc_d> Sbur3, that (cp $HOME) would be good enough for most users I'd bet
[10:56] <TheEagerPadawan> yvyz: i doesn't seem to pickup the dns servers that i configured via /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/tails
[10:56] <guiverc_d> the formatting without loosing data 2nd part confused me - my prior statement was to first line only Sbur3
[10:56] <yvyz> Sbur3: If you intend on recreating the equivelant experience in the event of a total failure of your drive. {/var (not run, cache, or tmp, /srv, /etc, /root, /home, /usr/local}
[10:57] <yvyz> TheEagerPadawan run: nmcli device show <interfacename> | grep IP4.DNS
[10:58] <yvyz> TheEagerPadawan: if it is not the server you want, then you have incorectly set the nameserver for your interface.
[11:00] <jeremy31> TheEagerPadawan: Do the nameservers show in /etc/resolv.conf?
[11:04] <yvyz> he just told me he removed dnsmasq-base to get it to work the way he wanted it.
[11:04] <yvyz> I'm over it now.
[11:24] <lag> Does anyone know where the source code for Grub (inc. Debian Packaging) is kept?
[11:25] <yvyz> lag: as in, is the source code residing on your machine?
[11:25] <yvyz> lag: Or where can you find the repository that has the source code for your review?
[11:25] <lag> yvyz: The latter (maintained by either Ubuntu or Debian)
[11:26] <yvyz> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/grub2
[11:29] <lag> yvyz: Thanks, that helps
[11:29] <yvyz> lag: np, enjoy the mess.
[11:29] <lag> yvyz: Any idea how you pull down the source (can't see any links to Git etc)
[11:30] <lag> yvyz: https://sources.debian.org/src/grub2/2.02+dfsg1-12/
[11:31] <jeremy31> lag enable source code repos, then do apt-get source grub2
[11:31] <yvyz> lag: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu11
[11:31] <yvyz> Source tars are right there under downloads
[11:31] <lag> yvyz: I did that already - but I don't have the history
[11:31] <yvyz> lag: You wanted the source. That is the source.
[11:32] <yvyz> lag: You want to interact with the repo tree?
[11:32] <lag> yvyz: I do
[11:32] <Ntemis> hi
[11:32] <yvyz> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-download.html
[11:32] <Ntemis> i have an issue with apt-cacher-ng
[11:32] <Ntemis> it doesnt let me upgrade the system
[11:33] <Ntemis> killing it and switching to another proccess id
[11:33] <Ntemis> costantly
[11:34] <Ntemis> like apt-cac+  2447  afgter i kill it went apt-cac+ 11132  then again swittched to apt-cac+ 11158
[11:34] <lag> yvyz: That does not contain the Debian packaging
[11:34] <lag> yvyz: Ah, I think I found it: https://salsa.debian.org/grub-team/grub
[11:34] <Ntemis> the whole line is here:
[11:34] <Ntemis> apt-cac+ 11158  0.3  0.0  49720  7936 ?        Ss   13:31   0:00 /usr/sbin/apt-cacher-ng SocketPath=/run/apt-cacher-ng/socket -c /etc/apt-cacher-ng ForeGround=1
[11:35] <Ntemis> how i stop this sh*t!
[11:35] <lag> yvyz: From a link found by traversing the page you provided, so thanks
[11:35] <yvyz> lag: I can only know what you say, not what you think. <3
[11:35] <Ntemis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:35] <Ntemis> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[11:36] <lag> yvyz: I did say "(inc. Debian Packaging)" :)
[11:36] <yvyz> Oh. neat.
[11:37] <yvyz> Ntemis: are you running apt-cacher-ng directly?
[11:37] <Ntemis> ofc not
[11:37] <yvyz> Something is using dpkg
[11:37] <Ntemis> yeah what?
[11:37] <yvyz> Idunno, what do you have installing, or uninstalling?
[11:38] <Ntemis> ah got it
[11:38] <Ntemis> root     24653 30.0  0.9 106492 76964 pts/1    Ds+  13:37   0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 10 --no-triggers --unpack --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/libexiv2-14_0.25-3.1ubuntu0.18.04.2_amd64.deb
[11:38] <Ntemis> this is what using it
[11:38] <Ntemis> now what?
[11:38] <Ntemis> ty btw we are getting somewhere now
[11:38] <yvyz> Well, you should let one package management process finish before running another one.
[11:38] <yvyz> Otherwise you run the risk of corrupting your package manager
[11:38] <Ntemis> i didnt start anything
[11:38] <yvyz> NP
[11:38] <Ntemis> just booted my system up
[11:38] <yvyz> Figures. It happens, updates, etc.
[11:39] <yvyz> You can kill that process
[11:39] <Ntemis> on it
[11:39] <Ntemis> kill: (24653): No such process
[11:39] <Ntemis> amazing
[11:39] <Ntemis> now am stuck again
[11:40] <iron_houzi> I have to Dell XPS13 with Ubuntu preinstalled. One resolves an internal DNS name correctly, one does not. Both have identical /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf .. any ideas what to do or where to look in order to get one machine DNS lookup capability identical to the other machine where it's working?
[11:40] <Ntemis> root     27652 14.0  0.9 106680 77340 pts/1    Rs+  13:39   0:02 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 10 --no-triggers --unpack --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-firmware_1.173.3_all.deb
[11:40] <Ntemis> what is it doing?
[11:40] <Ntemis> unattended updates or something?
[11:41] <Meili> Ntemis: dont kill dpkg
[11:41] <yvyz> I cannot know anymore than what that line says. And currently its unpacking linuxe-firmware_x.x_all.deb
[11:41] <Ntemis> and how long i have to wait
[11:41] <Ntemis> i killed it now once @Meili
[11:42] <nakamaki> rip
[11:42] <yvyz> Lol, not necessarily at all
[11:42] <Ntemis> ah i see its installing packages incognito
[11:42] <Ntemis> i let it settle for a while
[11:42] <yvyz> If packages are not meeting their signatures/hashes you can fix the dpkg packages either through apt or dpkg
[11:42] <Meili> Ntemis: not necessarily, but it's just asking for a system reinstall
[11:43] <Ntemis> what do you mean?
[11:43] <yvyz> Ntemis: do you have an update running?
[11:43] <Ntemis> i did an apt update yes
[11:43] <Ntemis> and am waiting to run upgrade
[11:43] <Ntemis> but doesnt let me run it
[11:43] <yvyz> Ntemis: if you find that stopping the dpkg PID just now causes issues, you can sudo apt-get -f install
[11:44] <yvyz> Are you upgrading individual programs, or did  you want to upgrade  your ubuntu distro/
[11:44] <Ntemis> yeah the distro am at 18.04.1 atm
[11:44] <Ntemis> want to go to .2 if it lets me do it
[11:45] <Ntemis> i dont see it letting me though
[11:45] <Ntemis> only process i see now keeping dpkg is this
[11:45] <Ntemis> demetris 22208  0.0  0.0  21540  1068 pts/0    S+   13:45   0:00 grep --color=auto -i dpkg
[11:45] <Ntemis> thats me
[11:46] <Ntemis> but still cant upgrade
[11:46] <Ntemis> :(
[11:46] <Ntemis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:46] <Ntemis> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[11:46] <Ntemis> now what?
[11:47] <Ntemis> this is getting annoying
[11:47] <Ntemis> shall i sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ?
[11:47] <Ntemis> & /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[11:47] <Ntemis> to be over with it?
[11:48] <Meili> Ntemis: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
[11:48] <Ntemis> run it nothing happenned
[11:48] <Ntemis> should i see any outcome?
[11:48] <Meili> dunno, might be a socket
[11:48] <Ntemis> still locked
[11:49] <Ntemis> wtf!
[11:49] <Ntemis> am stuck
[11:49] <Ntemis> should i kill my own proccess? demetris 11286  0.0  0.0  21540  1012 pts/0    S+   13:49   0:00 grep --color=auto -i dpkg
[11:49] <Meili> thats just your grep looking for dpkg
[11:50] <Ntemis> ah lol
[11:50] <Ntemis> so nothing is locked on dpkg any more
[11:51] <Ntemis> apt is locked in apt-cac+ 11158  0.0  0.0  49720  7936 ?        Ss   13:31   0:00 /usr/sbin/apt-cacher-ng SocketPath=/run/apt-cacher-ng/socket -c /etc/apt-cacher-ng ForeGround=1
[11:51] <Meili> can you look for an apt process?
[11:51] <Ntemis> just did
[11:51] <Ntemis> thats the only line i got
[11:51] <Ntemis> back to square one
[11:52] <Ntemis> ok am deleting the folders
[11:52] <Ntemis> i cant think of anything else to try
[11:52] <yvyz> Whoa.
[11:52] <yvyz> Deleting WHAT folders?
[11:52] <Ntemis> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock & /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[11:53] <yvyz> Reminder, sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade upates software. Sudo apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades your distro.
[11:53] <yvyz> You may or may not have been updating packages.
[11:53] <Ntemis> i have not
[11:53] <yvyz> Ok
[11:54] <Ntemis> ok deleting the folders didnt work either :(
[11:54] <Ntemis> am still locked down
[11:54] <Ntemis> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[11:55] <yvyz> Ok. sudo apt-get update
[11:55] <yvyz> Then sudo apt-get -f install
[11:55] <yvyz> And see what happens
[11:55] <Ntemis> update runs fine
[11:55] <yvyz> What does sudo apt-get upgrade do
[11:55] <Ntemis> demetris@demetris-mate:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[11:55] <Ntemis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:55] <Ntemis> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[11:56] <yvyz> Ok
[11:56] <Ntemis> yeah but is not ok this part of the world
[11:56] <yvyz> All dpkg is trying to prevent you from doing is ruining it by locking out other processes when one already has it in use.
[11:57] <Ntemis> i dont see any process keeping dpkg occupied
[11:57] <Ntemis> looks like am stuck at 18.04.1
[11:57] <yvyz> Well
[11:58] <yvyz> You can always reboot.
[11:58] <Ntemis> why?
[11:58] <yvyz> And attempt your dist-upgrade
[11:58] <yvyz> Or don't.
[11:58] <yvyz> Something is using dpkg
[11:58] <Ntemis> dist-upgrade from where?
[11:58] <yvyz> Look if you want help. I am trying to help you.
[11:58] <Ntemis> rebooting will end me back where i am now
[11:58] <Ntemis> i know
[11:59] <Ntemis> omg
[11:59] <yvyz> If you cannot find out what is using dpkg, and you want to try to the non nuclear option. sometimes a reboot is helpful.
[11:59] <Ntemis> software updater just popped up
[11:59] <yvyz> Figures.
[11:59] <Ntemis> omg
[11:59] <Ntemis> 443.1mb to be downloaded
[12:00] <Ntemis> ah will be on 4.15 kernel
[12:00] <Ntemis> ok i will run the stuck after the update
[12:00] <yvyz> You should open "Software and Updates" -> Updates TAB -> When there are security updates and When there are other updates -> Change it from Download and Install automatically.
[12:01] <Ntemis> ok i will run the Hw stub after the update
[12:01] <Ntemis> great is working now
[12:01] <Ntemis> took it a while
[12:01] <yvyz> You should open "Software and Updates" -> Updates TAB -> When there are security updates and When there are other updates -> Change it from Download and Install automatically.
[12:02] <Ntemis> ty @yvyz
[12:02] <yvyz> np
[12:02] <yvyz> I set security updates to automatic, and the rest to show up weekly
[12:02] <yvyz> Some of the normal updates are very large and can... upset you like this.
[12:02] <yvyz> But you should be happy with yourself. Because you actually guess that that was what was happening.
[12:03] <yvyz> and it makes sense because apt-cache-ng was probably working on pre-downloading the updates before the install.
[12:03] <Ntemis> great is almost done
[12:12] <Ntemis> perfect thanks again
[12:12] <Ntemis> am out
[12:13] <yvyz> np
[12:31] <andre144k> hi all...
[12:31] <andre144k> i have the situation that "du -sh" shows "97G" - and "du -bsh" shows "135G"
[12:31] <andre144k> i think understand why, cause the files do have holes, so they dont use the complete storage...
[12:31] <andre144k> but, what does it mean when i wld have a 150G disk?  do it mean i could store max +15G in other files, or could i store max +53G in other files?
[12:33] <Ben64> andre144k: check df -h
[12:33] <andre144k> 97G
[12:33] <andre144k> urgs
[12:33] <andre144k> sry
[12:34] <andre144k> sry, its little bit complicated... cause its nfs mount-point...
[12:39] <JimBuntu> andre144k, I have not seen this as I don't use -b, but man says -b means apparent size... when I run the two commands, I also get differing results.
[12:39] <samgoody> Hi all. Anyone around who can help with iptables?
[12:39] <samgoody> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/tfjDQPn9sDaXQAsjj4sW~Q
[12:40] <samgoody> I want to forward 80->3000, and 443->8443. 80 works, 443 doesnt
[12:42] <nakamaki> samgoody: clean up first please :)
[12:42] <nakamaki> also the order of your rules do actually matter
[12:43] <samgoody> I am still learning. When you say clean up, you mean delete the duplicate rules?
[12:44] <samgoody> I tried to sudo iptables -D PREROUTING 3 in order to remove the duplicate, but get a response of iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[12:46] <samgoody> (Have been trying to RTFM but am a bit overwhelmed and confused by all the options.) Is there a way I can edit the rules in a Vim like interface?
[12:46] <JimBuntu> Well, you could always directly alter the save file... /etc/iptables/rules.v4 or ending in v6
[12:47] <JimBuntu> I presume this is debian based
[12:49] <yvyz> Yuu are portforwarding outgoing connections?
[12:50] <samgoody> On Ubuntu, have node running on ports 3000/8443. Want it to be handled as though it were on ports 80/443.
[12:50] <yvyz> Ok
[12:50] <samgoody> I edited the /etc/iptables/rules.v4, how to reload the rules?
[12:50] <nakamaki> samgoody: you would have to iptables -D PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination :3000
[12:51] <yvyz> Have you set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1?
[12:51] <yvyz> and /etc/sysctl.conf:net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 ?
[12:52] <samgoody> no. but port 80 -> 3000 seems to be working fine
[12:52] <nakamaki> the DNAT rule for 8443 is below the REDIRECT rules
[12:53] <nakamaki> for the working 80->3000 rules its above the REDIRECT rules
[12:53] <samgoody> How do I reload the rules?
[12:53] <yvyz> Yea you have duplicate entries.
[12:53] <yvyz> sudp iptables -F
[12:53] <yvyz> sudo*
[12:53] <yvyz> Will flush all chains to empt
[12:54] <nakamaki> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
[12:54] <nakamaki> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8443
[12:54] <nakamaki> shouldnt need more
[12:55] <yvyz> ^ yep
[12:57] <samgoody> um, i did sudo iptables -F and it SSH promptly logged me out and wont let me back in
[12:57] <yvyz> Since iptables doesnt save without iptables-save, you could reboot, or use your providors web console to log in and open 22.
[12:57] <yvyz> Didnt know it was a remote host.
[12:58] <samgoody> I assume that was idiotic on my part, what was I supposed to have done to prevent that
[13:00] <nakamaki> uhm
[13:00] <nakamaki> usually if you flush iptables you should still be able to connect
[13:01] <nakamaki> if 22 really is your ssh port and not just forwarded
[13:01] <yvyz> Yea, theres no rules disallowing you
[13:01] <nakamaki> but i cant see an ssh rule on your iptables
[13:02] <samgoody> Thank you. Will take some time to reboot, so brb
[13:03] <nakamaki> next time nmap your server before rebooting :)
[13:03] <nakamaki> i suspect theres another issue
[13:06] <samgoody> OK, its back up. what do you mean nmap my server?
[13:06] <samgoody> nmap localhost shows that 22 is open
[13:06] <nakamaki> portscan
[13:07] <nakamaki> whats the output of iptables -L now?
[13:08] <en1gma> im running ubuntu 18.04.2 amd64 desktop. trying to install the amd gpu driver and this is error im getting https://pastebin.com/MgcKxDdG
[13:09] <en1gma> right now my bios is set to "Switchable Graphics" where my intel hd 4600 is primary but i can still see my amd vcard when booted and i want to use opencl with the amd gpu. opencl is working with the intel hd 4600 already
[13:10] <en1gma> can someone help me
[13:10] <samgoody> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/YNBV5WOfgFrRBHS4JL5zew
[13:10] <samgoody> It has not been flushed, but has the changes I made manually
[13:11] <samgoody> I can try flushing again, and worst case will reboot the server. Maybe the issue had to do with my manually editing the v4 file before running flush
[13:12] <yvyz> en1gma: It seems like you are attempting to install a very out of date driver.
[13:13] <samgoody> Nope, it booted me out again.
[13:14] <nakamaki> can you nmap that machine from your localhost?
[13:15] <yvyz> en1gma: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core | grep Version | nc termbin.org 9999
[13:16] <yvyz> Everytime you reboot, iptables we reload the settings when you last ran iptables-save
[13:16] <samgoody> after rebooting the server, nmap from my own computer shows: 22/tcp   open   ssh
[13:16] <yvyz> You could, theoretically, run: sudo iptables -F && sudo iptables-sav && sudo reboot
[13:16] <nakamaki> and before rebooting its closed? or just on another port?
[13:16] <nakamaki> yvyz: then he will be booted out forever
[13:17] <nakamaki> i suspect something foo on the ssh port
[13:17] <yvyz> Is he running ufw?
[13:17] <samgoody> I am running UFW
[13:17] <yvyz> ufw manage iptables rules
[13:17] <samgoody> Should I have said that? Should I disable it? I also installed iptables-persistant
[13:17] <yvyz> yes
[13:17] <en1gma> yvyz k 1 sec and ill post data
[13:18] <yvyz> samgoody: sudo ufw status numbered | nc termbin.org 9999
[13:18] <yvyz> On the machine you are working on and post the think
[13:18] <nakamaki> that changes everything :D
[13:18] <yvyz> link*
[13:19] <samgoody> You mean on my local computer?
[13:19] <yvyz> No
[13:19] <yvyz> run that on your server
[13:19] <yvyz> I want to see what the servers UFW says
[13:19] <samgoody> nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.org" port 9999: Name or service not known
[13:19] <samgoody> Exception ignored in: <_io.TextIOWrapper name='<stdout>' mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'>
[13:19] <samgoody> BrokenPipeError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
[13:19] <yvyz> samgoody: sudo ufw status numbered | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:19] <yvyz> .com sorry
[13:20] <samgoody> https://termbin.com/g9zdl
[13:20] <samgoody> thank you for helping
[13:21] <yvyz> samgoody: ufw disable
[13:21] <samgoody> done
[13:21] <samgoody> Now flush?
[13:21] <yvyz> samgoody: yes
[13:22] <en1gma> yvyz "apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core | grep Version | nc termbin.org 9999" the (nc termbin.org 9999) is not working
[13:22] <yvyz> and if it doesnt lock you out, iptables-save
[13:22] <en1gma> i install netcat also
[13:22] <yvyz> And we can start your redirection fresh
[13:22] <yvyz> en1gma: termbin.com
[13:22] <en1gma> k 1 sec
[13:23] <samgoody> Done with iptables save. Not locked out
[13:23] <andre144k> is there a way to find files which are not owned by user "nobody" ?
[13:23] <en1gma> yvyz https://termbin.com/ejmb
[13:24] <yvyz> en1gma: your xserver-core is > than your AMD driver allows for.
[13:24] <samgoody> I am running all commands as sudo. I ssume I should now use the two redirect rules you had above (but to the ports I need)
[13:24] <yvyz> AMD drivers says "up to 1.10" yours is "1.19"
[13:24] <yvyz> samgoody: yes
[13:24] <en1gma> thats what the error says im getting. i just want the 2nd card to use opencl. example 'clinfo'
[13:25] <en1gma> is that done with mesa?
[13:25] <en1gma> or do you think its just the driver im using?
[13:26] <yvyz> The driver  you are trying to install is not compliant with your xserver configuration.
[13:26] <samgoody> Ok, done. I assume I now have to save these rules so that they persist. Use $ sudo netfilter-persistent save` ?
[13:26] <yvyz> you need to find the latest driver for your card.
[13:26] <nakamaki> samgoody: you can always test before saving
[13:26] <nakamaki> the rules are active imminently
[13:26] <yvyz> ^
[13:27] <en1gma> yvyz lemme do some looking. from everything i read so far they say use the mesa driver as its better then the amd driver anyhow. if i could "switch" between my intel and amd opencl driver it would be great. cant that be done with mesa?
[13:27] <yvyz> Im not sure. I run nvidia.
[13:27] <yvyz> And CUDA > *
[13:27] <yvyz> <3
[13:28] <en1gma> yvyz https://termbin.com/nfok
[13:28] <en1gma> yea but even with nvidia i think it can use mesa too
[13:28] <nakamaki> when i started linux things, nvidia always was the goto option. so i kept using nv
[13:29] <nakamaki> also shadow play is p nice for streaming heh
[13:30] <yvyz> en1gma: if you want opencl to target your card do you real need the os driver for it?
[13:30] <yvyz> dont answer that
[13:31] <samgoody> It does not seem to  be forwrading
[13:31] <yvyz> en1gma: what does ubuntu-drivers say?
[13:32] <en1gma> it dont show any available i dont think. you are talking in download center?
[13:32] <samgoody> I decided to go with port 3443 this time instead of 8443. When I load node on example.com:3443 it loads, but on example.com:443 it does not
[13:32] <yvyz> open terminal -> run: ubuntu-drivers list
[13:32] <yvyz> You should already have the mesa generics isntalled for AMD
[13:34] <samgoody> Also, oddly enough all the mess that I had before is still there when I do  sudo iptables -L -t nat
[13:34] <en1gma> yvyz yea it dont list anything
[13:35] <yvyz> en1gma: ubuntu-drivers devices
[13:36] <samgoody> This is the current output of iptables-save https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/MBI8RHwr7p4pQe0uzjgNnA
[13:36] <en1gma> yvyz it shows nothing also
[13:36] <yvyz> samgoody: sudo iptables -t nat -F
[13:36] <samgoody> Even though it is after the sudo iptables -F
[13:37] <samgoody> That returns nothing
[13:37] <yvyz> samgoody: sudo iptables -t nat -F && sudo iptables -t mangle -F && sudo iptables -F && sudo iptables -X
[13:37] <yvyz> then verify with sudo iptables -S or -L
[13:38] <samgoody> OK, now it appears empty $ sudo iptables -S
[13:38] <samgoody> -P INPUT ACCEPT
[13:38] <samgoody> -P FORWARD ACCEPT
[13:38] <samgoody> -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[13:38] <yvyz> Ok good
[13:38] <yvyz> All rules are flushed. Add your nat rules again.
[13:39] <yvyz> Also, verify that the -i <ethernetdevice> is the right one.
[13:39] <samgoody> And now, it is doing the forwarding correctly
[13:39] <drvanon> Hi, I have on accident created an unconnected commit on my git repository. I am currently on the master branch, how do I connect this commit to the master branch?
[13:39] <samgoody> How do I save the rules now?
[13:39] <yvyz> samgoody: awesome. run iptables-save and persist
[13:39] <yvyz> yes
[13:40] <samgoody> persist with netfilter-persistent save
[13:40] <samgoody> Or is there a more simple way
[13:41] <samgoody> Now, am I supposed to re-enable UFW?
[13:41] <database2> how to find out pci id
[13:42] <yvyz> samgoody: iptables-save
[13:42] <samgoody> I ran iptables-save, that also makes it persistant?
[13:43] <yvyz> samgoody: it should.
[13:43] <yvyz> also: and if you want, you can do: sudo ufw reset && sudo ufw enable ssh && sudo ufw enable http && sudo ufw enable https && ufw enable
[13:43] <yvyz> SO you have a working firewall, and forwarding rules.
[13:47] <yvyz> database2: of what device?
[13:47] <yvyz> database2: lspci | grep 'devicetype'
[13:47] <yvyz> database2: such as: lspci | grep network
[13:48] <yvyz> err
[13:48] <yvyz> database2: such as: lspci | grep ethernet
[13:50] <yvyz> samgoody: how we doing?
[13:50] <database2> yvyz: for all devices
[13:51] <yvyz> database2: lspci
[13:51] <database2> yvyz: vga
[13:51] <yvyz> database2: do you see the pattern here? lspci | grep thethingyouwant
[13:52] <yvyz> But you said you wanted to find out "pci id"
[13:54] <yvyz> database2: if you want your graphics cards information: lshw -C display
[13:54] <samgoody> Am rebooting to test. Meanwhile, why have I read that you need the program iptables-persistent to make rules persistent?
[13:54] <samgoody> Is that just out of date info?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:54] <database2> okay
[13:55] <database2> yvyz: got it
[13:55] <database2> thanks
[13:55] <samgoody> OK, server rebooted, ports are forwarded. Huge huge thanks.
[13:56] <yvyz> samgoody: iptables-save is a function of the package iptables-persistent
[13:56] <yvyz> So you are not wrong.
[13:56] <yvyz> samgoody: np.
[14:35] <Vic2> Hello, can anyone make heads or tails of this error message please?  https://discourse.mailinabox.email/uploads/default/original/2X/2/20a12977ffb7e18676f53320c9cf4d33107c3f0a.png
[14:37] <Vic2> Actually, not so much the error itself, but how to correct it.
[14:39] <BrianBlaze> looks like it's telling you, you need php-xsl
[14:40] <BrianBlaze> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34294852/how-to-install-enable-intl-and-xsl-extensions-after-installing-php-7 maybe this helps Vic2
[15:09] <Vic2> BrianBlaze No, no help ... we've attempted to install php7.2-xml with no success ... it references to php 7.3 in some manner, which is not the php version in use.
[15:11] <Meili> Vic2: could you pastebin the output from "apt info php-xml"?
[15:11] <Meili> and php7.2-xml for that matter
[15:11] <ash_worksi> is there a good yaml parser?
[15:12] <Meili> ash_worksi: yes there is
[15:12] <ash_worksi> like jq for json
[15:12] <ash_worksi> Meili: can you suggest one?
[15:13] <yvyz> you can parse yaml in c, c++, java, python...
[15:13] <yvyz> bash.
[15:13] <yvyz> c#
[15:13] <Meili> ash_worksi: what yvyz said
[15:13] <ash_worksi> I mean a command-line parser like jq; native bash is a pain
[15:15] <Cheez> (if you can find one that does the entire yaml spec properly i'll eat my hat, i've yet to encounter a complete yaml parser in the wild and i deal with yaml all day in multiple languages)
[15:15] <yvyz> ash_worksi: https://github.com/kislyuk/yq
[15:15] <yvyz> oh look, yaml q
[15:15] <yvyz> ash_worksi: http://bfy.tw/MaJ0
[15:17] <ash_worksi> yeah...
[15:17] <yvyz> Cheez: what? How is yaml hard to parse?
[15:17] <Cheez> yvyz: apparently very very difficult
[15:18] <Cheez> it has lots of type coercion impied in the spec, and different parsers do it differently
[15:18] <Cheez> same for references between yaml files
[15:18] <Cheez> and parsing AllOf: or OneOf: seems to work differently in different parsers, although that's becoming more universal nwo
[15:19] <yvyz> I love it when companies see soeomthing new and go "Oh yea, lets store all this relevant data in yaml and lets compile it all with lint, and include it into our next zero day release. the hackers will love. ok break"
[15:21] <Cheez> the one i really like is the different parsers that try and be clever
[15:21] <Cheez> "oh that looks like an iso 8601 date, imma make it a date object"
[15:21] <yvyz> Lol. I guess... unless its some web technology, why would I not use create an object serializer for myself with the language I am using...
[15:21] <Cheez> except, there are really weird constraints
[15:21] <yvyz> Then I can have data contracts, and something called "integrity"
[15:22] <Cheez> i live in kubernetesland, everything is yaml
[15:22] <Cheez> oh and all apis we produce have to be documented using openapi 3, which is traditionally defined by yaml
[15:22] <Cheez> i know almost all of it can be json instead, but for some reason the entire world uses yaml
[15:23] <Deihmos> is there a tool that can use to backup the system before an update just in case it breaks?
[15:23] <Deihmos> something like system restore on windows
[15:23] <ash_worksi> Deihmos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[15:24] <ZeroWalker> i am trying to make a guest account that can't use applications except the ones i specify, and run them with firejail --overlay so they are sandboxed, but i am kinda stuck, anyone got some ideas?
[15:25] <yvyz> Deihmos: You can attempt to use TimeShift, which is just like a restore tool.
[15:40] <johnfg> What's the best place to ask a question about a problem with sudo?
[15:41] <johnfg> An annoyance, maybe, more than a problem.
[15:45] <SwedeMike> johnfg: you can start here.
[15:51] <ryahi_skaprinav> how do i change from caja to files in ubuntu-mate 16.04
[15:55] <ZeroWalker> if it helps, i am not limited to firejail, i just use it with --overlay to prevent the applications that run (firefox, libreoffice etc) to save anything permanently, whatever makes that happens works for me
[15:56] <ryahi_skaprinav> i changed the default to files instead of caja in preferred applications but it is not working
[15:56] <ryahi_skaprinav> for ubuntu-mate 16.04
[15:56] <ZeroWalker> it's basically meant as a kiosk of sorts. But i gave up trying to use different "desktops" as i didn't understand how those worked, so had no clue what i was actually doing
[15:57] <hellerz> Hello , I have installed xrdp on ubuntu 16.04 and it worked fine. After I upgraded to ubuntu 18.04 . now xrdp doesn't work properly. Here is the xrdp log file: https://pastebin.com/Hjric1j0
[15:57] <hellerz> sesman log file: https://pastebin.com/Uru4AK28
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> !crosspost | hellerz
[16:09] <ash_worksi> okay, so I wanted to add ~/.local/bin to my PATH, I threw it in .bash_profile and opened a new console. `declare -p PATH` didn't show the change and I read that Ubuntu uses .profile now (I assumed in 18.x) so I `mv .bash_profile .profile` ... I continued to read and got the feeling that was a bad idea and could revert using `cp /etc/skel/.profile ~/.profile` ; but looking at .profile it's supposed to
[16:09] <ash_worksi> make that change anyway... doesn't opening a new console window create a new session which in turn reads .profile? Why is it _still_ not showing up in PATH?
[16:10] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, exactly what line did you insert in .profile?
[16:10] <ash_worksi> lordcirth: I reverted via `cp /etc/skel/.profile ~/.profile`
[16:10] <ash_worksi> but I guess .profile is only read once on startup
[16:11] <ash_worksi> so I have to `. ~/.profile`
[16:11] <lordcirth> .profile is read on login, .bashrc is read on each new shell. So yes, you should source it
[16:12] <Vic2> Meili apt info php-xml returns E: Invalid operation info
[16:12] <ash_worksi> thanks lordcirth
[16:13] <lordcirth> Vic2, it's 'show' not 'info'
[16:14] <Vic2> ok, just following meili's instructions.
[16:15] <lordcirth> Yeah, it's a common typo.
[16:16] <Vic2> lordcirth, I am the man in the middle, so patience please. :)
[16:17] <Katnip> in konsole, when i enter something, even sudo, it keeps adding an 's' on the end and i cannot rid of it. any clue on this?
[16:22] <Vic2> lordcirth http://prntscr.com/mt46zh
[16:22] <Vic2> lordcirth and http://prntscr.com/mt47h5
[16:23] <ash_worksi> yay for `yq '.|keys' file.yml` -- this pleases me greatly.
[16:44] <Vic2> lordcirth disregard those 2 url's ... the correct one is https://prnt.sc/mt4igu
[16:47] <johnfg> SwedeMike: I think we've ruled out it's a problem with ubuntu, per se; and is most likely a problem with sudo interacting with slapd.
[16:48] <johnfg> #ldap pretty much ruled out that the problem is from openldap as well.
[16:49] <johnfg> I probably inadvertently caused the problem when I decided to give root a password, instead of always using sudo =i, or such.  I think that's when the problem started.
[16:49] <johnfg> SwedeMike: Here's what happens when I do a sudo -i: groups: cannot find name for group ID 1098729487.
[16:50] <johnfg> I did realize that the number is incremented by 1, when I logout of /root, and then sudo -i again.
[16:50] <SwedeMike> johnfg: you can stop highligting me, I do not know the answer to your question.
[16:50] <johnfg> SwedeMike: sorry.
[17:16] <Marz> the default ubuntu theme looks ok but the brown colors i don't like. Is there no way to change the folder colors and highlight color? I really don't want to deal with themes
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> Marz: gnome-tweak-tool has easy theme changing
[17:21] <ioria> !info folder-color
[17:21] <Wonny> Anyone ever had problems connecting to their university/work wifi on ubuntu?
[17:22] <Wonny> I've put in the correct security parameters, but it won't let me connect in specific buildings. In others it works perfectly fine though.
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: a good wifi connection depends on many things
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: best to ask your issue with as much details possible to the channel
[17:24] <ioria> Wonny, probably using  WPA-Enterprise
[17:26] <Wonny> Here are the security settings. WPA2-Enterprise, PEAP, No CA Certificate, Automatic PEAP Version, InnerAuthentication: MSHCHAPv2
[17:26] <Wonny> I've gone to several IT desks at my university and they can't seem to find out what the problem is
[17:26] <leftyfb> Wonny: if it works in one place and not the other and both of them are the same credentials, then the issue is not with your laptop. I would contact your university IT support
[17:26] <Wonny> I can connect fine in one building, but I can't in another building. This is a recent issue. At the start of the semester I could connect to the wifi in all buildings.
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: can you tell us more about your ubuntu version and wifi chipset aswell?
[17:29] <Wonny> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS and Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev cb)
[17:29] <leftyfb> ugh
[17:29] <leftyfb> those are garbage
[17:30] <Wonny> What's wrong with Ubuntu 18.04.2?
[17:30] <leftyfb> We are in the process of replacing literally hundreds of those are our company. They die after 6 months to a year of use.
[17:31] <leftyfb> No, I mean the wifi chipset
[17:32] <Wonny> Maybe the problem is my wifi chipset
[17:32] <Wonny> Well, time to go buy a MAC
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: didnt you say it worked well before?
[17:32] <Wonny> @lotuspsychje, yes it did work well before.
[17:32] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: the issues with them are intermittent
[17:32] <leftyfb> they're fine for 6 months to a year. Then it just starts crashing and won't join wifi unless you powercycle
[17:33] <Wonny> At the start of the semester it was fine. Then sometime in february it stopped connecting
[17:33] <leftyfb> even then, sometimes it'll crash right after the reboot
[17:33] <leftyfb> it's an EOL chipset as well
[17:35] <Wonny> Maybe it is a problem with my schools network. I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing this problem though
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: you can easy test this with another dongle chipset
[17:37] <ioria> Wonny, dmesg | grep -i 7260
[17:40] <Wonny> wlp3s0: association with *ADDRESS* timed out. ioria
[17:41] <Wonny> lotuspsychje, I'm not looking for any additional hardware
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: i never said you need to, my personal opinion is to use hardware until its broken for real
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: i suggested you could 'test' this
[17:42] <Wonny> Ah okay. If this take a turn for the worse I'll keep this in mind. Thank you.
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: maybe share your whole dmesg to the channel?
[17:44] <Wonny> [69386.797260] Disabling non-boot CPUs ...
[17:44] <Wonny> [125429.572603] wlp3s0: authenticate with xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[17:44] <Wonny> [125436.726021] wlp3s0: association with xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx timed out
[17:44] <Wonny> Hopefully this is secure
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Wonny
[17:44] <Wonny> woops. Sorry
[17:45] <ioria> Wonny, do you have by chance hidden networks in list ?
[17:45] <Wonny> I don't know what that means. I see all the networks when I am in the building I can not connect to. ioria
[17:45] <ioria> nvm
[17:50] <ioria> Wonny,  try to add  '  options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 wd_disable=1'  in  /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf  and reboot
[17:51] <Wonny> ioria, noted. I'll try this and get back to you either tomorrow or the day after that
[17:51] <ioria> ok
[17:53] <leftyfb> tellin ya. Those things are garbage. It's not even a bad batch either. We bought some from ebay and amazon as replacements and those all died within 6-12 months as well. I spent a year troubleshooting every bit of wpasupplicant, driver, firmware, kernel and bug report on them. They just randomly remove themselves from the pci bus.
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> we believe you leftyfb but as long as the hardware works, we need to help the users right?
[17:55] <leftyfb> Wonny: when it crashes next time, grep for "Failed to wake NIC for hcmd" in your syslog. If you see that, you know it's the same issue.
[17:56] <leftyfb> Wonny: actually, just grep for it now. If you see tons of entries, you know it's the bad wifi chipset.
[17:56] <Wonny> This is a great lidl community here
[17:56] <leftyfb> Wonny: sudo zgrep "Failed to wake NIC for hcmd" /var/log/syslog*
[17:57] <Wonny> leftyfb, Nothing came up when I copy and pasted that
[17:58] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: the funny part is, I captured the dmesg when it fails. Saved it. Then I started fresh and ripped the wifi card out while the machine was running. The dmesg errors were identical.
[17:58] <leftyfb> I have a script that will reset the pci bus and re-establish a connection to the card. But it's a losing battle.
[18:07] <acebrianjuan> Hi all
[18:08] <acebrianjuan> I'm experiencing something new in Ubuntu 18.04
[18:08] <acebrianjuan> When switching between windows
[18:08] <acebrianjuan> There's like a transition
[18:09] <acebrianjuan> Has anybody experienced the same?
[18:17] <Wonny> acebrianjuan, doesn't happen on my system
[18:19] <acebrianjuan> Wonny: ok thank you, I'm positive that it's a newly introduced feature
[18:27] <leftyfb> acebrianjuan: Ubuntu doesn't typically introduce new features partway through an LTS's lifecycle such as the one you are referencing
[18:29] <acebrianjuan> leftyfb: ok makes sense, then it must be an application that I'm running
[18:29] <acebrianjuan> Otherwise I'm out of ideas
[18:33] <rajosh7> sirs please where is filysytms please sirs
[18:33] <rajosh7> i requiroe assitance sires where is can
[18:33] <rajosh7> scan
[18:34] <ioria> acebrianjuan, try to disable Animations in gnome-tweak
[18:37] <acebrianjuan> ioria: hmm, that deactivated the animation but that's not the problem
[18:38] <acebrianjuan> ioria: When I switch between certain applications, one is shown but the other disappears
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: graphics driver installed correctly?
[18:39] <ioria> acebrianjuan, is it an ubuntu app or you installed it from other soyurces ?
[18:39] <ioria> *sources
[18:39] <acebrianjuan> ioria: I have a vanilla Ubuntu 18.04 installed from the Official Ubuntu website
[18:40] <acebrianjuan> I've had it for almost a year
[18:40] <ioria> acebrianjuan, i'am talking about that apps, not the OS
[18:41] <acebrianjuan> ioria: oh sorry, the app which might be causing this is Qt Creator, but I'm only speculating
[18:41] <acebrianjuan> and I've been working with it for months too
[18:41] <acebrianjuan> I never noticed something similar
[18:42] <acebrianjuan> And it was not downloaded from the Ubuntu sources but from the Qt official website
[18:42] <ioria> acebrianjuan, and Qt Creator is  the only app that cause that behavior ?
[18:43] <acebrianjuan> ioria: seems so, but I'm not 100% sure
[18:44] <acebrianjuan> I haven't shut down my computer in a week or so, maybe I need a reboot
[18:44] <ioria> acebrianjuan, try or might be a .desktop problem in /usr/share/applications
[18:45] <acebrianjuan> ioria: ok
[18:46] <ioria> !info qtcreator
[18:47] <yvyz> Wait, what is happening?
[18:47] <yvyz> I turn off EVERYTHING for speed and smoothness using gnome-tweak-tool
[18:47] <yvyz> "Like a transition"
[18:47] <yvyz> Is that describing a fade, zoom, sweep?
[18:51] <yvyz> acebrianjuan: Personally, in gnome-twweak, I use dash-to-dock, and turn off all animations in the dash-to-dock menu.
[18:51] <yvyz> acebrianjuan: might be what you want.
[18:52] <acebrianjuan> yvyz: its's not the animation itself what's bothering me, but the fact that I can't put 2 windows side-by-side
[18:53] <acebrianjuan> it either shows one or the other, but not both at the same time
[18:53] <acebrianjuan> I don't know if I'm explaining myself
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: screenshot it
[18:53] <acebrianjuan> lotuspsychje: I would have to record it
[18:53] <Anthaas> I have a program that is looking for java in /bin/java, but it is in /usr/bin/java - how can I move the location of java? Should I just create a symlink?
[18:53] <acebrianjuan> A screenshot won't show the issue
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: wich key combo you using?
[18:55] <acebrianjuan> lotuspsychje: oh wait! this behaviour is like the applications are in different desktops
[18:56] <acebrianjuan> you know, switch between desktop sessions
[18:56] <acebrianjuan> I don't know how it's propperly called
[18:57] <acebrianjuan> ok YES, this was the issue
[18:57] <dff> ioria: hey
[18:57] <acebrianjuan> I've got Qt Creator sitting in a different "desktop session"
[18:58] <yvyz> Anthaas: You can use sudo update-alternative --list to select the one you would like all programs to reference by default
[18:58] <acebrianjuan> You can try that by using the mouse scroll wheel over the menu launcher in the sidebar
[18:58] <yvyz> Anthaas: otherwise there may be a flag for your program that allows you do define which java-jdk to target.
[18:58] <dff> ioria: thanks for the help the other day, still not managed to find a fix. I just discovered the same low res environment when using the lock function in XFCE
[18:58] <acebrianjuan> you will switch between different desktop sessions
[18:58] <dff> high res as soon as i log in again
[18:58] <yvyz> Anthaas: and yes, you could easily ln -s /source /dest if you wanto
[19:14] <robertparkerx> can I setup a NAS with just ubuntu ?
[19:17] <yvyz> Yes
[19:18] <lordcirth> robertparkerx, certainly. What do you want it to do?
[19:22] <robertparkerx> lordcirth, just act as a fileserver
[19:23] <lordcirth> robertparkerx, to Linux, Mac, or Windows hosts? NFS will be easiest if you don't need Windows.
[19:24] <robertparkerx> Windows for the most part
[19:25] <lordcirth> robertparkerx, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[19:26] <lordcirth> Do you have separate hard drives for the data? You may want to consider mdraid or ZFS. Also, make sure to have backups.
[19:29] <robertparkerx> lordcirth, am still in the process of building. I was planninng first. I just wanted a more comfortable option that freeNAS.
[19:30] <lordcirth> robertparkerx, yes, I recommend setting things up yourself instead of using FreeNAS. When things break, you need to know how they work.
[19:30] <nakamaki> why no freenas?
[19:30] <nakamaki> ah
[19:32] <rapidwave> Attempts to save files to Windows 10 partition give errors that it's read-only. How do I change it so I can write files?
[19:33] <robertparkerx> lordcirth, would I use putty to connect to the fileserver?
[19:33] <yvyz> rapidwave: when you ls -al /path/to/mount -> what is the user:group assigned to the files on the drive?
[19:34] <lordcirth> robertparkerx, to ssh in, to control it? Yes, PuTTY works. Windows 10 also has ssh in powershell now.
[19:35] <OerHeks> rapidwave, fix that partition, likely it has errors, that way it is mounted RO
[19:35] <rapidwave> How do I fix it?
[19:35] <vimar> hi
[19:36] <OerHeks> rapidwave, use windows tools?
[19:37] <yvyz> rapidwave: do you have read/write permissions? did you mount it with the right permissions, do you need to chown -R user:user the mount?
[19:38] <rapidwave> Usually when it happens, I just boot windows and then restart back to Ubuntu. This time that didin't work
[19:38] <OerHeks> not fir a windows partition fat32/ntfs/exfat
[19:38] <OerHeks> fix it from within windows
[19:40] <OerHeks> you *could* try nfts.fix, but windows tools are guaranteed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave: Boot into windows, right click the drive, go to properties, then the tools tab, then click the "Check" button under Error Checking. Follow the on screen prompts. When it has completed, then make sure to reboot or shutdown the computer (not hibernate or sleep) before going to Ubuntu
[19:52] <phaidros> hi, I am looking for the workspaces grid gnome extension package, it seems not to be in the default 18.04 repos. any hints?
[19:52] <phaidros> altho, all docs mention installing it via the software app .. o.O
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> phaidros: SHould be able to open software center and search for "Workspace Grid"
[19:55] <e1000nic> does anyone have a intel Pro 1000MT Dual port gigabit card they could give an eeprom dump of (via ethtool -e eth1 ), I now have one port working but the other is not, the eeprom someone posted seems to be only for the 1st port
[19:55] <e1000nic> does anyone have a intel Pro 1000MT Dual port gigabit card they could give an eeprom dump of (via ethtool -e eth1 ), I now have one port working but the other is not, the eeprom someone posted seems to be only for the 1st port
[19:55] <e1000nic> albech: you?
[19:55] <phaidros> pragmaticenigma: the fun is, it is not there :/
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> e1000nic: You might have better luck asking in /join ##networking channel
[19:58] <albech> hi all. anyone know of a webmail client that support personal certificates for user encrypting mails?
[19:58] <e1000nic>  
[19:58] <e1000nic> pragmaticenigma:
[19:58] <e1000nic> ok
[19:59] <murthy> albech: I think kmail
[19:59] <albech> murthy: not a webmail i believe
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> albech: You may want to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations. This channel focuses it's attention to support type questions related to Ubuntu OS and it's applications proivded through the software center.
[20:00] <murthy> albech: oh sorry
[20:00] <phaidros> pragmaticenigma: well, one has to change the language to english, suddenly it is there. seems the software centre has a buggy search ;)
[20:00] <murthy> albech: see If rocketmail supports
[20:00] <murthy> albech: I mean protonmail
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> phaidros: I personally don't use software center, I use either apt from the command line, or synaptic for a gui
[20:01] <albech> murthy: looks like it, ty
[20:01] <murthy> albech: enjoy
[20:01] <phaidros> pragmaticenigma: then again, there (with apt) I didn't find a package named *gnome*workspace* hinting it is the grids extension
[20:02] <ioria> phaidros, you can install extensions from firefox : https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/484/workspace-grid/
[20:02] <phaidros> ioria: wow, interesting, I look into that.
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> phaidros: depends on how you were searching. And it is possible that applications that don't supply alternative languages may not display in searches when the system locale is set for non-english languages
[20:04] <phaidros> pragmaticenigma: yes, you are right ;)
[20:16] <database2> Receiving "iopl: Operation not permitted"/"You need to be root" error
[20:18] <lordcirth> database2, ... when trying to do what?
[20:18] <lordcirth> When doing lspci?
[20:20] <database2> when i am trying to use coreboot tools
[20:20] <database2> and flashrom
[20:22] <cryptodan> gotta quick question just upgraded to kernel 4.20.13 and I am not seeing the boot messages anymore where is this setting kept?
[20:25] <OerHeks> cryptodan, remove the quiet splash from the grubline?
[20:25] <cryptodan> it is gone
[20:26] <OerHeks> those line go to fast for me anyway, but you can check out journalctl -b -0 (shows messages from the current boot) journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot
[20:27] <ioria> cryptodan, do you want to boot in text mode and dropped to a console ? or just have a textual boot and a login screen active ?
[20:27] <cryptodan> ioria: text boot then straight to login
[20:27] <ioria> cryptodan,  a gui login ?
[20:28] <cryptodan> yeah
[20:28] <ioria> cryptodan,  try 'text' in /etc/default/grub
[20:28] <cryptodan> where quiet slash was?
[20:28] <ioria> yes
[20:28] <cryptodan> roger
[20:32] <database2> lordcirth: when i am trying to run coreboot tool (intelmetool, superiotool etc) and flashrom
[20:33] <lordcirth> database2, and were you running them as root?
[20:33] <database2> yes
[20:34] <database2> lordcirth: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lBKli-96eeypho3gSu1rxVGie2DjKnSd
[20:35] <database2> lordcirth: https://pastebin.com/kBrwFnXG
[20:35] <lordcirth> database2, what Ubuntu version?
[20:35] <database2> 16.04
[20:36] <database2> lordcirth: 16.04 64-bit
[20:36] <lordcirth> Hmm, I dunno
[20:36] <lordcirth> Haven't used coreboot myself
[20:37] <database2> okay
[20:37] <database2> no problem
[20:37] <database2> btw thanks
[20:37] <lordcirth> good luck!
[20:37] <database2> :)
[20:41] <cryptodan> ioria: that didnt work
[20:44] <OerHeks> after copy text, did you run update grub?
[20:44] <ioria> he's gone
[20:44] <OerHeks> oops
[20:46] <rapidwave> What is the best security tool for scanning to see if I have a file watcher running?
[20:46] <database2> ioria: can you help me with my problem
[20:47] <ioria> database2, well, don't do 'sudo su' :þ
[20:47] <database2> ioria: what
[20:47] <database2> you mean i should use command "sudo su"
[20:48] <OerHeks> sudo -i # is your solution
[20:48] <ioria> database2, nope, i said 'don't do sudo su'
[20:48] <cryptodan_mobile> OerHeks: ioria yes I always do
[20:49] <database2> ioria: okay
[20:49] <ioria> cryptodan_mobile, ok... you know 4.20 is not tested on ubuntu, right ?
[20:50] <ioria> cryptodan_mobile, taht said, try  to boot in text mode only :  sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[20:50] <database2> ioria: sudo su didn't wok
[20:50] <ioria> cryptodan_mobile, and reboot
[20:56] <ioria> cryptodan_mobile, if not working , reverse with   sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[21:20] <deepend> > RX errors 0  dropped 20995  overruns 0  frame 0
[21:20] <deepend> how would I go about figuring out what packets are being dropped?
[21:29] <hans_> running the 18.04 mini.iso over a virtual CDRom with Dell IDRAC, and got this: https://i.imgur.com/iiAP5QW.png - should i be worried?
[21:30] <hans_> and now the page looks all red-ish, like this: https://i.imgur.com/j4gGy54.png
[21:30] <hans_> err, the "choose a language" page, it's not supposed to be red-ish like that
[21:31] <lordcirth> hans_, Normally an IO error would indicate a hardware problem. Not sure about this virtual CD, though.
[21:32] <hans_> i think it just tried to load a lot of data and got impatient. i monitored the disk IO of the virtual CD server, and the process had a DISK IO of approximately 190 kbps,
[21:32] <hans_> it wouldn't surprise me if the mini.iso installer simply wasn't designed to work with such slow IO, and simply timeouts thinking something is wrong
[21:34] <hans_> i know that the mini.iso installer will never leave the initial installer page on 40 kbps
[21:35] <murthy> hans_: I/O error, probably a scratched cd or dirty lens on your cd/dvd drive. If its a iso image then the image is corrupt
[21:37] <lordcirth> hans_, did you checksum the ISO?
[21:37] <hans_> no i didn't, but im not sure how to go about it on a windows XP system.. hmm
[21:38] <lordcirth> XP??
[21:39] <hans_> yes, i'm using an ancient IDRAC5 meme which use.. some java browser plugin, that is both incompatible with modern versions of JRE and incompatible with modern browsers and...
[21:39] <hans_> the server itself is from 2006
[21:39] <cutecycle> hello; how would i initialize a Unity configuration (desktop folder, etc) for an existing user on an ubuntu machine that did not have Unity preinstalled?
[21:40] <lordcirth> cutecycle, that stuff ought to get created on login; is it not?
[21:40] <hans_> lordcirth, long story short, to remove-control this server, i had to make a windows XP VM with an ancient browser and ancient Java JRE to get the remote control to work.
[21:40] <hans_> s/remove/remote
[21:40] <cutecycle> ah like, on first login after restart?
[21:40] <cutecycle> shoot
[21:41] <cutecycle> is it possible to create these things before that first login, or will they be overwritten?
[21:41] <lordcirth> cutecycle, just logging out and back in using Unity, I *think*
[21:41] <lordcirth> hans_, fun. You are going to replace that server soon, right? :P
[21:41] <cutecycle> basically i want to place some files on the desktop in advance
[21:41] <lordcirth> cutecycle, oh, just on the Desktop? You can create ~/Desktop , it won't be overwritten
[21:42] <cutecycle> oh phew thanks
[21:43] <hans_> lordcirth, no. i've been upgrading it to 2x10TB disks, and is going to use it as a fileserver. it should still be able to do that job nicely (2x Xeon X5450 @3GHz and 32GB DDR2 ram @667MHz.... uhhh rite) - i do feel sorry for the guys that pay the power bill, but it was the same guys that pay the powerbill that suggested this, so...
[21:44] <lordcirth> hans_, did you quote them the cost of replacing it at emergency speed when it suddenly dies? :P
[21:44] <hans_> no.. but the harddrives are brand new, and any system with 4x SATA ports should be able to replace it rather easily, hrm
[21:46] <hans_> do old servers (2006-era in this case) have a habbit of randomly die-ing tho?
[21:49] <lordcirth> Well, there's a reason most servers have a 3 year warranty. Past that the chance of failure steadily increases.
[21:51] <hans_> any idea what part of this may be harddrives? https://i.imgur.com/up9Ql8c.png
[21:52] <hans_> sg2 + something may be off screen?
[21:53] <teward> hans_: might be easier to look at `lsblk` to get the /dev/ items that're 'drives'
[21:53] <teward> then determine which ones arent (`/dev/loop` for instance is not actual hard drives)
[21:53] <hans_> lovely, /bin/sh: lsblk: not found
[21:53] <hans_> same for parted and fdisk
[21:55] <hans_> oh yes things are definitely out of view - sda and sg0/sg1/sg2 and sr0 and sr1 exists
[21:56] <teward> oh dear
[21:56] <teward> hans_: blkid <-- might also help
[21:56] <teward> i keep forgetting if `lsblk` is a default :P
[21:56] <teward> but pretty sure blkid is present.  (Or it should be anyways)
[21:56] <hans_> blkid exists! no idea how to use it tho
[21:56] <hans_> off to the manpages
[21:58] <teward> hans_: well, blkid will list the partition IDs and data about the drives/partitions on disk - you can get the device fielpaths in /dev/ with the first column there
[21:58] <teward> not sure about the sg ones, but sr is probably CD/DVD drives
[21:59] <lordcirth> teward, lsblk is installed by default on server, but not in busybox. Not sure about mini iso
[21:59] <xaeB5> anyone know an easy to use software to cut out sections of video/audio files? something simpler than kdenlive if possible
[21:59] <teward> lordcirth: indeed.
[21:59] <hans_> can confirm, mini.iso does *NOT* have lsblk (or my mini.iso is corrupt)
[22:00] <lordcirth> xaeB5, like, delete a section and paste it back together?
[22:00] <xaeB5> lordcirth: just like if i wanted to for example remove a scene from a movie
[22:00] <lordcirth> You *can* do it with ffmpeg
[22:00] <lordcirth> But a GUI would probably be easier
[22:01] <xaeB5> yea i would prefer gui, or if you know of a gui with ffmpeg backend
[22:01] <tgm4883> "simpler than kdenlive if possible"? Last time I used kdenlive it was pretty simple
[22:02] <xaeB5> maybe i will just try to use that
[22:03] <hans_> installing the last XP-compatible version of Cygwin was a no-go.. now i'm downloading the last XP-compatible version of php-cli so i can run `hash_file("md5","mini.iso")` .. x.x
[22:05] <bleb> here's a weird thing: man -l $HOME/man/man1/hub.1 works, but MANPATH=$HOME/man man hub doesn't
[22:05] <bleb> am i misunderstanding how to add a man directory to my manpath?
[22:13] <cryptodan_mobile> You need the /
[22:14] <bleb> cryptodan_mobile: like so?
[22:14] <bleb> MANPATH=$HOME/man/ man hub
[22:14] <bleb> that doesnt work either
[22:15] <OerHeks> bleb, you gave your solution, so i wonder why you wonder it does not work
[22:16] <OerHeks> man -l $HOME/man/man1/hub.1 works, ...
[22:16] <cryptodan_mobile> This >>>> man -l $HOME/man/man1/hub.1 works<<<<
[22:16] <lordcirth> Well,  presumably they would prefer to be able to set a variable and not have to do that every time?
[22:16] <bleb> lordcirth: duh
[22:18] <OerHeks>  MANPATH does not seem to exist on Ubuntu. Instead the file /etc/manpath.config is used.
[22:21] <bleb> so what would be a good way to have man pages in my home dir
[22:23] <bleb> based on manpath(5) it looks like i can have my own configurations in ~/.manpath but its not clear how to simply add a directory to the path
[22:26] <hans_> i want the server TZ to be UTC, is it ok to lie here? https://i.imgur.com/SqZT9vq.png
[22:26] <hans_> (well, UTC+0 )
[22:30] <hans_> what is "biosgrub"?
[22:30] <hans_> https://i.imgur.com/SqZT9vq.png
[22:37] <lordcirth> hans_, that's the timezone screenshot again.
[22:38] <hans_> oh.. well the screenshot url is lost and the partition, whatever it was, is deleted (the partition table was re-created from scratch) so whatever, probably wasn't important. (or this thing needs a special partition to boot and i just killed it, idk)
[22:39] <Sleaker> biosgrub is probably talking about installing bios with grub. (best guess)
[22:39] <bleb> manpath(5) says "If the environment variable $MANPATH is already  set,  the  information contained within /etc/manpath.config will not override it."
[22:39] <hans_> Sleaker, the ubuntu installer disk partitioner said the partition had a "biosgrub" filesystem
[22:39] <bleb> i put export MANPATH=$HOME/man:$MANPATH in ~/.profile and logged out/back in, and this doesnt help
[22:39] <OerHeks> 'biosgrub' partition you read about
[22:40] <bleb> so not sure what that line in the manpage is supposed to mean
[22:40] <OerHeks> UEFI that is
[22:40] <hans_> oh
[22:40] <Sleaker> oh
[22:40] <hans_> lets hope it was nothing important..
[22:40] <Sleaker> yah it's the alternative to installing grub fully into MBR for bios
[22:41] <Sleaker> well it means you wont be able to boot via UEFI
[22:41] <Sleaker> if it was getting used.
[22:50] <Anthaas> I have a script which starts a service - I need to run it at boot (to start the service) but it needs to be started by a specific user - how can I do this?
[22:50] <hans_> do i need UEFI to boot from GPT partitions?
[22:50] <Anthaas> (I have created a specific user for the service so that it has restricted permissions)
[22:53] <OerHeks> with systemd you would enable the service like systemctl enable apache2; systemctl status apache2
[22:53] <OerHeks> if you have restricted a user, that is fine
[22:54] <hans_> what's the difference between `service apache2 status`  and `systemctl status apache2` ?
[22:55] <OerHeks> the last one is systemd specific
[22:55] <Sleaker> hans_: with systemd, 'service' is just a wrapper for systemctl
[22:55] <Sleaker> or mostly a convenient wrapper for init.d scripts that includes systemctl functionality
[22:56] <Anthaas> Was any of that a response to me?
[22:56] <hans_> not from me at least
[22:57] <Sleaker> Anthaas: no
[22:57] <Sleaker> it was for hans_
[22:57] <OerHeks> Anthaas, yes, i forget using names
[22:57] <Anthaas> Ahhh - thanks - wasn't sure about OerHeks's responses since it mentions restricted user too
[22:57] <tgm4883> Anthaas: you have a script that starts a service? Why not just set the service to start at boot and skip the script?
[22:58] <Anthaas> Its TeamCity from Jetbrains
[22:58] <lordcirth> Anthaas, you can make a simple .service file and specify User=
[22:58] <Anthaas> They release with as a .tar.gz which, when unzipped, has a number of scripts - one of which runs the server.
[22:58] <tgm4883> Those are just words and names to me
[22:58] <OerHeks> Anthaas, oke, does that give a .service file ?
[22:58] <Anthaas> It does not, unfortunately. I have put it into a "teamcity" user's home directory.
[22:58] <Sleaker> if you need a init.d script to start as a specific user you usually write the script to su to the user, sudo, or run the service under the user via some mechanism
[22:59] <Anthaas> If I try to run the "teamcity-server.sh run" command from any user other than "teamcity" it fails.
[22:59] <Sleaker> for .service via systemd see lordcirth's answer.
[22:59] <Anthaas> Ok - so I need to look into how to create a .service file myself.
[22:59] <lordcirth> Anthaas, an example: https://gist.github.com/lordcirth/378ae7c3a8d2786874d00867098cbad1
[22:59] <lordcirth> And the docs: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html
[23:00] <Anthaas> Thanks lordcirth
[23:00] <OerHeks> you could put that service file in /etc/systemd/user or $HOME/.config/systemd/user
[23:00] <OerHeks> but if you granted access properly, that would not make a difference
[23:08] <Anthaas> Sorry - disconnected.
[23:08] <Anthaas> Thanks - I'll take a look at this now.
[23:16] <Anthaas> Great - I now have a .service file, enabled through systemctl, it starts and stops fine, and works as expected - how do I get this to run at boot?
[23:16] <Anthaas> Or is that enough?
[23:16] <Anthaas> init.d rings a bell here?
[23:18] <jeremy31> Anthaas: Have you rebooted since enabling the service to see if it does work?
[23:18] <Anthaas> I've killed and started the service?
[23:19] <Anthaas> I don't mean I've checked running at boot, just that the service file does indeed launch teamcity and I can access it.
[23:21] <tgm4883> Anthaas: If you've enabled it, it should run at boot I believe
[23:23] <OerHeks> some service files are designed to respawn, like pulseaudio
[23:24] <lordcirth> Anthaas, if 'systemctl enable teamcity' works, then it should start at boot
[23:25] <lordcirth> But make sure it has an 'Install' section that actually defines when it should be run
[23:25] <OerHeks> there is only 1 way to find out: reboot.
[23:28] <Anthaas> I will do shortly :)
[23:28] <Anthaas> Thanks!
[23:42] <cxc99> why does debian/ubuntu put 127.0.1.1 <hostname> in /etc/hosts whereas redhat distros don't? can i delete it?
[23:44] <jeremy31> cxc99: I wouldn't delete it, you may lose DNS
[23:44] <cxc99> i just did :)
[23:45] <OerHeks> that is from DHCP ?
[23:45] <cxc99> no from /etc/hosts
[23:45] <OerHeks> static ip?
[23:48] <cxc99> oh yeah i have it set to a static ip.... i am running dnsmasq/pihole already
[23:49] <marcoagpinto> Hello! Will Ubuntu support Intel "AVX-512 instructions"?
[23:50] <cxc99> oh i googled it and it says it's gnome's fault.......so i'll just remove it
[23:52] <jeremy31> cxc99: are you using resolvconf in Ubuntu 16.04
[23:52] <OerHeks> basicly; Debian than ubuntu choose to define 127.0.1.1 for mapping the ip of your host_name in case that you have no network https://serverfault.com/a/363098
[23:53] <cxc99> it's bionic