[00:43] <cyphermox> list where?
 Did you not get my email? Doesn't matter, but https://launchpad.net/carla
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: ^
[00:46] <cyphermox> sorry I haven't looked at email all day
[00:46] <Eickmeyer> I don't blame you if you're on holiday.
[00:46] <cyphermox> ;)
[00:46] <cyphermox> just finished cooking dinner
[00:46]  * Eickmeyer needs to cook dinner too
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> But first I need to know when my wife will be home
[00:47] <cyphermox> heh
[00:48] <Eickmeyer> Either way, with Carla, Ross signed-off on it, but it needs sponsorship & upload.
[00:48] <Eickmeyer> Eventual goals are to get it into Debian.
[00:49] <cyphermox> ok
[02:14] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Sorry I didn't catch that one. Need anything from me? And thanks for doing this. 
[02:52] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Do you need me to make that change?
[02:53] <cyphermox> nah, it's fine
[02:53] <cyphermox> I mean, both of you need to eventually have upload rights
[02:54] <cyphermox> it will go much better if you can do everything and your name ends up in the signature though
[02:54] <cyphermox> ie. the -- <name> <email>  part
[02:54] <cyphermox> I've uploaded
[02:55] <cyphermox> I see grub-themes-ubuntustudio also is in NEW now
[02:56] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Yes, and it's in the new queue alreday.
[02:57] <cyphermox> yup
[02:57] <cyphermox> I see you also have some uploads for ubuntustudio-specific packages
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> That one was all me, just forked from an existing one.
[02:57] <cyphermox> yup
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> Yes. Once grub2-themes-ubuntustudio is though, then -look can be uploaded.
[02:58] <cyphermox> well, it's very few things so far, but we'll get there :)
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> And once -look is through, that should be it.
[02:58] <cyphermox> what's -look?
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-look
[02:58] <cyphermox> ah
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> It's the theming.
[02:59] <cyphermox> oh, I see
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> mitya57 did a ton of stuff earlier.
[02:59] <cyphermox> I don't think you necessarily need to wait to upload the the review queue though
[02:59] <cyphermox> what about ubuntustudio-installer?
[03:00] <cyphermox> ah nevermind, I see it landed
[03:00] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> Basically, I used https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio as a checklist of sorts, with the ones marked "critical" as the bugs on the packages needed.
[03:01] <cyphermox> yeah, it's just that this makes it a little hard to track for sponsoring :)
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> So, with Carla in the queue, do you want to change the bug to "fix committed" then?
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: I get that, which is why I marked them "fix released" when they went through, eliminating them from that list.
[03:02] <cyphermox> sure
[03:03] <cyphermox> err
[03:03] <cyphermox> the ubutnu studio task, right?
[03:03] <cyphermox> you don't already have access to toggle that?
[03:03] <Eickmeyer> I do. I'll do it.
[03:03] <cyphermox> it's fine, I did
[03:03] <cyphermox> just making sure you also have what you need for non-upload tasks
[03:04] <cyphermox> wait, what's in grub2-themes-ubuntustudio?
[03:04] <Eickmeyer> A grub theme, just like grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate but themed for Ubuntu Studio.
[03:05] <Eickmeyer> mitya57 uploaded it unchanged.
[03:06] <Eickmeyer> Waiting on it to clear before ubuntustudio-look can get uploaded.
[03:07] <cyphermox> well, that's why I was asking
[03:07] <cyphermox> I'm not sure why one depends on the other
[03:07] <Eickmeyer> There's a metapackage in -look I made for retheming which depends on that.
[03:09] <cyphermox> I see
[03:09] <cyphermox> you might want to remove it from plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio itself then
[03:09] <cyphermox> seems very unrelated ;)
[03:09] <cyphermox> but for ubuntustudio-branding-common being a metapackage I agree
[03:10] <Eickmeyer> For the plymouth theme, it needs to be a dependency because the plymouth theme slaves the grub theme in the alternates when installed.
[03:10] <cyphermox> ok, I see the file
[03:10] <cyphermox> no clue how this works then
[03:11] <Eickmeyer> I would've wrapped them all into -look if the grub theme weren't a fork of another project.
[03:12] <cyphermox> yeah...
[03:12] <cyphermox> I would have probably put the .grub file in the grub2-themes-* packages
[03:13] <cyphermox> IIUC it's just a file that will get dropped in palce in /etc/grub.d or something
[03:13] <Eickmeyer> I just went with how Ubuntu MATE did it.
[03:14] <cyphermox> huh, it's not even that
[03:14] <cyphermox> wow
[03:14] <Eickmeyer> So, on a related note, how long does it usually a new package like that to clear the queue?
[03:15] <cyphermox> it's anyone's guess, really
[03:15] <cyphermox> I mean, it depends on having an archive admin that will review the package manually, so if it's a big package it takes longer
[03:16] <cyphermox> and it depends on how busy they are in general
[03:16] <cyphermox> it often can go slightly faster if you ping people in #ubuntu-release ;)
[03:16] <Eickmeyer> I'll go ahead and do that for the grub theme then. Carla isn't nearly as imperitive.
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> imperative? idk spelling...
[03:17] <cyphermox> wow; ok, the .grub file is a convoluted setup with 05_debian_theme to hook that part into the rest of the grub config. I had never looked at that part of grub before
[03:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Grub is... yeah...
[03:19] <cyphermox> well, I still don't understand how that piecing works
[03:20] <cyphermox> but grub is kind of supposed to be my job, so I should figure it out ;)
[03:21] <Eickmeyer> Oh! Well, I can say that, if you take a look at the Ubuntu plymouth theme, that it has similar grub file that is slaved when installed in the alternatives. Basically, the idea is to theme grub to whatever plymouth is doing.
[03:21] <Eickmeyer> update-alternatives symlinks it depending on the alternative selected for the plymouth theme.
[03:22] <Eickmeyer> That gets called at some point by grub during the grub-mkconfig process.
[03:22]  * Eickmeyer did a little bit of grub theming in a former life
[03:23] <cyphermox> sure, but nothing in the grub code is looking at those files, at least that I can find
[03:23] <Eickmeyer> Oh, weird.
[03:24] <cyphermox> I think we're looking at old stuff from grub1
[03:24] <Eickmeyer> Huh. Stuff that somehow survived?
[03:25]  * Eickmeyer wonders if it's documented somewhere
[03:29] <cyphermox> same grep fails everywhere
[03:30] <cyphermox> so it's not grub1, it might have been stuff that was once patched in, but eventually rotted away
[03:30] <cyphermox> I'll sleep on it, and ask cjwatson in the morning
[03:30] <cyphermox> it's worth checking that out as it might help fixing some flicker issues...
[03:31] <cyphermox> or we dropped it because it caused flicker ;)
[03:32] <Eickmeyer> Interesting.
[03:32] <Eickmeyer> Well, thanks for all your help, and have a good sleep! I owe you a steak dinner if you ever come to the Seattle area.
[03:32] <Eickmeyer> Oh, and would you mind sponsoring my PPU application?
[03:34] <cyphermox> I'll have a look in the morning if you don't mind
[03:34] <cyphermox> I'll open it up here so it's the first thing I see when I log in
[03:35] <Eickmeyer> Sounds great. :)
[03:35] <cyphermox> is it on purpose, rights to the specific packages and not the ubuntustudio packageset?
[03:36] <Eickmeyer> It's for the ubuntustudio packageset and Carla, even though I put the entire packageset outlined in my app.
[03:36] <cyphermox> we're talking about different things I think
[03:36] <Eickmeyer> Must be.
[03:36] <cyphermox> you're looking for the ubuntustudio-* packages in your application
[03:37] <Eickmeyer> Yes, plus Carla (and the grub theme, even though it doesn't follow that wildcard).
[03:37] <cyphermox> but there's a formal packageset for all of ubuntustudio (everything that lands on the images)
[03:37] <Eickmeyer> Oh!
[03:37] <cyphermox> which I think is what slangasek / the TechnicalBoard are really concerned with
[03:37] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I wasn't going for that much, but if that's what I should be applying for, then I'll go ahead and amend my app. It hasn't been officially submitted yet.
[03:40] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: you're in PST right?
[03:40] <cyphermox> oh, but you'll likely be busy in the mornings
[03:41] <cyphermox> hold on a minute
[03:41] <Eickmeyer> Yes, I'm in PST, but aside from getting my son out the door to school on weekdays, I'm not currently employed.
[03:43] <Eickmeyer> On purpose.
[03:46] <cyphermox> ok, well, my idea was that if we could have a very quick hangout with just the right people we could make sure we're all on the same page re: upload rights
[03:47] <cyphermox> I /think/ what Steve was saying is that you guys should have access to the seed-based packageset we call ubuntustudio; that's a different thing than the packages being named "ubuntustudio-*" and carla and a few others
[03:47] <Eickmeyer> Right. As far as I know, we do have access to update the seed (at least Ross does).
[03:48] <cyphermox> yes, you do
[03:48] <cyphermox> well, you really should if you don't already have that access :)
[03:48] <Eickmeyer> But, you're saying everything the seed calls upon.
[03:49] <cyphermox> yes
[03:50] <Eickmeyer> Okay, that makes sense. The term packageset was thrown around more than individual packages, so I'm pretty sure you're right.
[04:05] <cyphermox> yeah
[04:06] <cyphermox> it's really to mean a pre-defined list that contains what you have in the seed
[04:07] <cyphermox> (so you can fix things for ubuntustudio generally by uploading directly, not being limited to just what's called 'ubuntustudio-*')
[04:08] <Eickmeyer> Yes, that makes sense. Really, everything else is outside of our scope (more upstream than anything), but I see the need to be able to override an upstream package.
[04:24] <cyphermox> I'm not sure what you mean by that
[04:24] <cyphermox> I was referring to say, fixing a bug in xfce4-flargle because it doesn't flargle quite right when using in ubuntustudio
[04:25] <cyphermox> (which is fair, as long as you take care that it then doesn't flargle wrong for other users, say, on xubuntu)
[04:25] <cyphermox> and now, I really must be off to bed