| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Hi RIk. Upon autoremoving old Disco kernels. Plasma no longer starts after rebooting. The terminal message is: Aborting shell load: The activity manager daemon (kactivitymanagerd) is not running. … If this Plasma has been installed into a custom prefix, verify that its D-Bus services dir is known to the system for the daemon to be activatable. … org.kde.plasmaquick: Applet preload policy set to 1 … plasmashell: symb | 03:57 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kirigami/org.kde.desktop.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Kirigami13PlatformTheme27setAlternateBackgroundColorERK6QColor | 03:57 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Re-installing plasmashell and kactivitymanagerd/disco failed to rectify. I tried manually starting /usr/share/kservices/kactivitymanagerd.desktop and received this error: | 04:00 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> KDEInit could not launch 'kactivitymanagerd': … Could not open library 'libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd'. … Cannot load library libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd: (libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) | 04:00 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> I was not able to find libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd on an 18.10 system either so not sure where to poke next. | 04:01 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> I suspect the autoremove killed something but I am baffeled as to what and how to mend. | 04:03 |
| valorie | @DarinMiller can you reinstall a kernel? | 04:08 |
| valorie | I never autoremove kernels until I've restarted because I'm scared of this | 04:09 |
| valorie | or how about install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop ? | 04:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> The PC boots fine, in fact I am running from that PC now. | 04:10 |
| valorie | ah | 04:10 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> I also tried --reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 04:10 |
| valorie | but plasma won't start | 04:10 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> krunner and other apps launch just fine | 04:10 |
| valorie | reinstall plasmashell? | 04:10 |
| valorie | right, they aren't plasma | 04:11 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> tried that too. | 04:11 |
| valorie | gosh | 04:11 |
| valorie | there used to be a "plasma-desktop" | 04:11 |
| valorie | might still be | 04:11 |
| valorie | !info plasma-desktop | 04:12 |
| ubottu | plasma-desktop (source: plasma-desktop): Tools and widgets for the desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.15.2-0ubuntu1 (disco), package size 1951 kB, installed size 10268 kB | 04:12 |
| valorie | worth a try | 04:12 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> when you asked about plasmashell I assume you meant plasma-desktop.... | 04:13 |
| valorie | nope | 04:13 |
| valorie | plasmashell is sort of the engine behind it | 04:13 |
| valorie | as I understand it | 04:14 |
| valorie | I found out that rather than restarting or even logging out/in I could just quit plasmashell in the cli and then restart it in krunner | 04:14 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> plasmashell does not have it's own package... | 04:14 |
| valorie | don't need that much anymore | 04:15 |
| valorie | !info plasmashell | 04:15 |
| ubottu | Package plasmashell does not exist in disco | 04:15 |
| valorie | huh | 04:15 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> yes. I restart it quite freqently across my systems also... | 04:15 |
| valorie | did you try `sudo apt install -f` | 04:17 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Good Idea, but that did not work either... | 04:18 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> KCI rewrite prototype, I did this for Lubuntu but it's as easy as adjusting your own config file: https://ci.lubuntu.me/ | 04:19 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Complete with Britney support | 04:19 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> I was attempting comparing boot times on my test box between Neon, 18.10, 19.04 and Solus. 18.04 and 19.04 require about ~44secs to boot (Long time for an SSD). Neon boots in ~18seconds. Solus boots in 10.5 secons! We have some work to do! | 04:20 |
| valorie | so @DarinMiller did you try `kquitapp plasmashell` and then try starting it in krunner? | 04:20 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Simon the rewrite in python? | 04:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yep! | 04:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/ | 04:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Cool!!!! | 04:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/ | 04:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ppa-britney/ | 04:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> It needs some polish but it's working thus far. | 04:22 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Valorie, plasmashell is not running so killing is not possible. | 04:22 |
| valorie | yeah | 04:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Of course, like I said, it's designed with Lubuntu in mind, but once it reaches feature parity with KCI we can swap it out. | 04:23 |
| valorie | and it won | 04:23 |
| valorie | t start from krunner | 04:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Very nice Simon! | 04:23 |
| valorie | did you learn a lot, tsimonq2? | 04:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Quite a bit :) | 04:24 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> I use a terminal so I can see the launch failures, but same issue. | 04:24 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> From here, adding additional features should be easy. | 04:24 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Sorry to interrupt your convo though :) | 04:25 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Simon, I love it. That is awesome! | 04:25 |
| valorie | @DarinMiller my last idea is `sudo dpkg --configure -a` | 04:25 |
| valorie | in case it's a wonked config | 04:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> oh yeah, good idea.... trying it now... | 04:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> annnnnd..... no dice | 04:28 |
| valorie | phooey | 04:28 |
| valorie | you need someone with more arrows in the quiver | 04:28 |
| valorie | tsimonq2: very nice work from what I can see | 04:29 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Thanks valorie :) | 04:30 |
| valorie | how long did it take you to get it this far? | 04:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I started earlier this week but the bulk of the work was done yesterday and today | 04:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> So less than two weeks | 04:31 |
| valorie | wow | 04:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> sweet! | 04:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> It's easy once you can wrap your head around how Jenkins does things | 04:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Hey. I once wrote Excel macro call job Generator.... but it had nothing to do with KCI or open source... | 04:33 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Hahahahaha | 04:34 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> plasmashell is up and running.... sudo apt purge kactivitymanagerd/disco followed by sudo apt install kactivitymanagerd/disco followed by sudo apt install plasma-desktop (because the purge killed it)... followed by sudo apt install sddm (cuz purge kactivitymanagerd made SDDM a target for autoremoval ??!!!)..... | 04:45 |
| valorie | wow | 04:45 |
| valorie | \o/ | 04:45 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> :) | 04:45 |
| valorie | that was some work! | 04:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> part of the adventures of beta testing.... | 04:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> now back to trouble shooting the long Kubuntu boot times.... | 04:47 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Did you see my post on how fast Solus boots? It's crazy fast. I am running systemd-analyze attempting to help pin down why, but not making too much sense as the moment.... | 04:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Anyone know of any other tools to measure/test boot times and related delays? | 04:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> brb... rebooting disco now that plasma is working... | 04:50 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> systemd-analyze show similr times between Solas and Kubuntu, yet on this box, Solus boots to destop in 10.5sec vs Cosmic/Disco times of 41-44sec. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kw7tPxmSvK/ | 04:56 |
| valorie | bootchart ? | 05:08 |
| valorie | !info bootchart | 05:08 |
| ubottu | Package bootchart does not exist in disco | 05:08 |
| valorie | hmm | 05:08 |
| valorie | well, that's what people sometimes | 05:09 |
| valorie | use | 05:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> systemd-analyze will create an SVG chart. Googling bootchart to see if it is one and the same... | 05:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> hmmm, website is a bit dated.... http://www.bootchart.org/download.html | 05:10 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> wow, look at the difference in service enabled in 19.04 vs Solas: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zMBCXk6x7k/ | 05:20 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Attempting disabling NetworkManager-wait-online.service at 1st try.... | 05:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> make no sense.... none of these service are taking up much time.... yet booting to desktop takes over 40sec. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5kNJ7sKz7D/ | 05:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> systemd total time is 5.925seconds.... Anyone have any other ideas to try? | 05:33 |
| valorie | did you find bootchart? | 05:41 |
| valorie | I know that neon works on this every once in awhile | 05:42 |
| valorie | sitter in particular | 05:42 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> neon require ~18seconds to boot... | 05:42 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> see my link to bootchart^^^... website is 14 years old... | 05:43 |
| valorie | ok | 05:45 |
| valorie | oh gosh, dapper! | 05:46 |
| valorie | hasn't been packaged for awhile | 05:46 |
| valorie | might be good to bring this to the devel ML | 05:47 |
| valorie | others might have an idea | 05:47 |
| valorie | solus has very few services enabled for sure | 05:48 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> yes. agreed. I will continue experimenting tomorrrow and send mail if I don't make headway... | 05:48 |
| valorie | might be worth looking at say, fedora and opensuse too | 05:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> But systemd service are not the cause for the long delay only 6sec in total. | 05:49 |
| valorie | every added second or even partial second adds up though | 05:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> systemd-analyze times are very close after disabling network wait... 24 vs 26s.... but somehow Solas is able to display a desktop in 10s. | 05:50 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> might have to compare lubuntu and ubuntu boot times... maybe its a canonical config that's slowing down boots (but neon does not near as bad (18s) , so again makes no sense...) | 05:55 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Fixed the slow boot times! Set System Settings -> Workplace Theme -> Splash screen to None. Boot to desktop is now 11 seconds! | 14:43 |
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| mparillo | DarinMiller: I wonder why displaying a splash screen would take very long. I assume it is resolved locally? Even if it is animated, that sound strange. | 16:02 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> I fully agree. The desktop definitely appears much quicker and I am able to launch things immediately. So even if the boot is not fully complete, the boot experience feels much faster with it disabled. Two 18.10 and a 19.04 system improved dramatically with it disabled. Maybe it has a default timer somewhere and we can fix it? | 16:06 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> @tsimonq2, 👌 | 17:04 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> @tsimonq2 I will put my ideas in order, and if you are around later or maybe other I can tell you the good the bad and the ugly about the prototype | 17:06 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Go ahead | 17:07 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I understand it doesn't have feature-parity with KCI yet | 17:07 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I'd like to get there though. | 17:07 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> yeah, I won't dig into lack of features because that's understandable but overall design | 17:08 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Sure, I'm open to ideas | 17:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> allright, give me a few hours to put my ideas in order to avoid misunderstandings/confusion | 17:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> ok | 17:09 |
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| acheronuk | mparillo marco-parillo[m] frameworks 5.56 is here | 20:37 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> 5.56 looking good so far. I was surprised it landed as I thought feature freeze was in effect. | 20:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @DarinMiller, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-framework/+bug/1819256 | 20:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1819256 in plasma-framework (Ubuntu Disco) "[FFe] KDE Frameworks 5.56.0 into Disco archive" [Undecided,Fix released] | 20:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> we won't get 5.57 :P | 20:40 |
| valorie | frameworks aren't really about features | 20:40 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Oh, that was fast! Ahh I see how you and Simon tag teamed it... nice. | 20:41 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> Did you see my comment regarding boot times and splash screen? | 20:41 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @DarinMiller, It requires both of us to ack under this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#Packageset_FFe_Delegations | 20:42 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @DarinMiller, Yeah, but makes not much sense to me. Have not had a chance to test | 20:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> I tried looking at the ksplash source to see if we could set a timeout variable but did not see anything obvious. | 20:44 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> If it has just started doing this, maybe report a bug. If general, you will not be the only one to get it | 20:47 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> If it is general, it would be better to fix upstream | 20:48 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> somewhere between 16.04 and 18.10 boots s;owed but since I don't reboot very much I just ignored the extra time. A mutual friend of ours recommended I tried Solus as it "quite optimized" and that's when I discoverd boot times were so slow by comparison. | 20:52 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <DarinMiller> If someone else will confirm I will file a bug. | 20:53 |
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| valorie | it does seem a bit slow to me but as time as has gone on I've added memory and moved to SSDs | 21:09 |
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| valorie | and I don't reboot often | 21:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> back | 21:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> @tsimonq2 if you are around we could discuss that bunch of things about CI | 21:10 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> I have list of topics here | 21:10 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Sure | 21:10 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok I will start with "an offer you cannot refuse": making the code pylint clean (or almost pylint clean) since the beggining | 21:11 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yeah heh, lp_check.py is, I'm not 100% sure the rest is. | 21:11 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Good point. | 21:11 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> just to add some info: some time ago we had a meeting and we decided to make KA pylint clean: since then I have been changing a zillion of code lines, and from my experience it's easier to handle if we do that since the beginning | 21:13 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yeah, it's only 200 or 300 lines, shouldn't be too hard (I follow some of the rules like wrapping at 80 lines already) | 21:14 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> this is what I get with pylint3: https://invent.kde.org/snippets/52 | 21:17 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> ok, so not too bad. | 21:17 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> yeah, try to do that with git-clone-all from KA 2.2 XD | 21:18 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> hehe | 21:18 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> just FYI regarding KA there's a cheesy pylint_check.sh script which includes all the code which was already cleaned up | 21:18 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> that being said, if you don't want to do further comments about this, we could move to the next topic | 21:20 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> move to the next topic? [y/n] | 21:20 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yeah, no problem :) | 21:20 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> y | 21:20 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok | 21:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> now, I would like to share my thoughts about the overall design and general concepts | 21:21 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> I guess you did some time some backup script to store your data in a *.tar.gz or something like, didn't you? | 21:22 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, I don't get what you mean | 21:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> What data are you referring to? | 21:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> personal documents, photos, etc... | 21:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I don't know how this relates to this :) | 21:23 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> I'll get there | 21:24 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> but have you ever done a script for yourself (backup or otherwise) which you are the only one who knows how to use it? | 21:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I do have some backups, it's more manual (I haven't scripted much) + some Seafile stuff | 21:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, My script isn't particularly difficult :) | 21:26 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> But yeah | 21:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I do have to document some of this stuff, I'm aware | 21:26 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok, well, the thing is I have been struggling for a long time with something which could be named as the "backup script syndrome" | 21:27 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> ahh :) | 21:27 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> (i.e. my old siduction automation had it, kubuntu's old tooling has it, tritemio still has it, the kci has it...) | 21:28 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> the thing is not just about lack of documentation | 21:29 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> but also about the way the software works | 21:29 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yeah, I get it | 21:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> take for example the old kubuntu toling (i.e. the ugly monolithic scripts): they were somewhat documented | 21:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> however it was almost impossible to do a dry run, and that was a very very bad thing, and back in the days I couldn't contribute to them very much precisely because of that | 21:33 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so now that we know what the "backup script syndrome" is, and going back to the reality of the CI world, one of the worst problems (if not THE worst) I see in the current CI is the fact that the tooling can't be executed outside the jenkins pipelines, thus making it more difficult to debug/fix/contribute | 21:37 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> related to that: with the current KCI I think we also have no easy way to have a "testing" KCI and a "production" one | 21:40 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Yes it can, you just have to set it up correctly :) | 21:40 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> @tsimonq2, I'm talking about our current KCI FTR | 21:41 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Ohh | 21:42 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> The CI I wrote can be modified completely outside of Jenkins | 21:42 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> yeah, seems like a good starting point | 21:44 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so, this allows me to move to the next topic, unless you have further questions about the "backup script syndrome"; I guess we both agree we should avoid it as much as possible. we can of course discuss *how* to do it but I just wanted for now to point out the general idea | 21:48 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Go ahead | 21:48 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok, as a reminder, that's what I had on my personal experiment for the new KCI: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/black-operations/mechanical-octopus/ | 21:52 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yup, I've discovered all of that on my own :) | 21:53 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Login is with LP | 21:53 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so that being said I would like to discuss the general picture of the new CI I had in mind, which I have the impression it's similar to yours but slightly different | 21:54 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Sure | 21:54 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> and I also think we can agree on many things | 21:54 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so here's the thing: my rought idea was having a program to add jobs to the kci and another one to "build source packages in CI fashion"; this program would be used in the jenkins pipelines | 21:56 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yup, so what I have implemented right now is "jobgenerator" which pulls the YAML file from the CI Metadata repo I have set up and creates all the jobs using the API | 21:57 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> It'll automatically add jobs, I have yet to add code which automatically removes them | 21:57 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> and the code is better than mine, but I would alter one thing I think | 21:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> The jobs themselves takes the tip of upstream with the `ci/unstable` branch (this can be customized) and uploads to LP, checking that everything is published before marking the job successful | 21:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Sure | 21:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> the program to add jobs I did is "kci-add-job" and is meant to be executed inside a git clone | 22:00 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> from the git clone you can figure out the upstream git url | 22:01 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> however I din't use that python lib you used so in that regard your code is better I think | 22:02 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Well, you then have to deal with the overhead of cloning *everything* every time "jobgenerator" is ran. | 22:02 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I have a simple YAML file (and I'm close to cutting the size in half (if not more) by templating it) | 22:02 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> yeah, but that's not my point | 22:04 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> the thing is: I was trying to achieve a couple of things: one is being able to add/change a CI job individually | 22:05 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> this way you could have a testing/experimental CI with a few sample packages | 22:06 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yeah, the disadvantage with what I have now is when you edit the config, all of the jobs are rebuilt. I don't know if there's any other way. | 22:06 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Oh, yeah, look at the YAML I have deployed | 22:06 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> You can set different upload targets and releases per job by overriding the defaults. | 22:07 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Every variable set globally for all of the jobs can be overridden. | 22:07 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> The next step from here is templating things, so you can just set a template for a group of packages that, as a group, override the defaults. | 22:08 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/browse/master/ci.conf | 22:08 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> with "group of packages" what do you have in mind? | 22:11 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> something like lxqt/frameworks/plasma or something user-defined? | 22:11 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Take an example … ```defaults: … ... … upload_target: "ppa:lubuntu-ci/unstable-ci-proposed" … ... … templates: … kci_unstable: … upload_target: "ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable" … packages: … - name: "calamares" … - name: "akonadi" … template: "kci_unstable" … - name: "terrible-package" … upload_target: "ubuntu"``` | 22:14 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> When jobgenerator goes through this, calamares will upload to ppa:lubuntu-ci/unstable-ci-proposed, akonadi to ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable, and terrible-package to ubuntu. This applies to any variable we choose to set. | 22:15 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ack, ok | 22:18 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so basically you have the "let's just add a few packages as a sample" under control | 22:19 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yeah | 22:19 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> the second thing I had in mind about my experimental kci-add-job is data duplication | 22:20 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Oh? | 22:20 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> yeah. let's say we both agree that this use of YAML you are doing to create jobs is cool (right now I tend to think it is) | 22:22 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> the next issue is, having "combo breakers": i.e. packages with different names | 22:24 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> and the next how to compose a YAML for a zillion of packages | 22:24 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, What's a more efficient alternative? :) | 22:25 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Yeah, that's a good point | 22:25 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> We don't have any of those in Lubuntu | 22:25 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> but we do in Kubuntu | 22:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Right | 22:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> and I think we both agree we could try to make something generic to be used both in lubuntu and kubuntu | 22:26 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so the question is: what do you think about making a command, let's say "update-ci-metadata" to be executed against git packaging clones which would update the yaml? | 22:29 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so we could do something like "do-all update-ci-metadata" | 22:29 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, I'm not opposed to it, but there's several bits that aren't defined in the package itself. | 22:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> such as? | 22:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Upload target | 22:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Releases to define jobs for | 22:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Default packaging branch and default upstream brach | 22:30 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> anything else? | 22:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Not really | 22:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok | 22:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Oh, and if it's used for both Lubuntu and Kubuntu we'd need to define packaging repos | 22:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Maybe those can just be put in a template | 22:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> And when calling `update-ci-metadata` it could take a template as the argument | 22:32 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> I think there's a better way | 22:32 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> ok | 22:33 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> consider this: | 22:33 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> upload target[s] -> we can figure out a "default" one given the "release type" (= frameworks, plasma, applications, lxqt ...) | 22:34 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> Releases to define jobs for -> add a "-d/--dists <comma_separated_list>" argument to the "update-ci-metadata" command | 22:36 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> Default packaging branch and default upstream branch -> figure it out from the release type, same as the upload target[s] | 22:37 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> any flaws? comments? | 22:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Works for me | 22:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok, so let's move to the other program of my kci experiment | 22:40 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> gbp-kci | 22:41 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> ok | 22:41 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> https://invent.kde.org/snippets/53 | 22:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ↑ that's the command from your template | 22:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Yup | 22:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> so, in order to reduce the "backup script syndrome", would you agree part of that command should be actually a gbp-something command from KA? | 22:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> specifically the part which builds the source package | 22:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Unless KA becomes flavor-agnostic, I would rather not use KA tooling for this | 22:51 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> that's the thing; we can make it flavor agnostic. pretty much like your ci | 22:52 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm not against it, but I'd rather it be with the CI codebase or at least an associated repo like "ci-scripts" :) | 22:53 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> To be clear: I'm totally for writing the script. | 22:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I think it's a great idea. | 22:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> But if it's something you'd expect anyone but Kubuntu to use, we should store it in a location that makes sense for that purpose. | 22:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> that's another thing, I think it would be interesting, in the long term, to not separate completely the ci from automation | 22:56 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> and for the record, we can rename kubuntu automation as ubuntu automation XD | 22:57 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I wouldn't be opposed to it, if there's no Kubuntuisms in there :) | 22:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok | 22:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> it's getting late here, so let's continue tomorrow? | 22:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> this way I can also write down a few reasons why I think there shouldn't be a "wall" between ci code and automation code | 22:59 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Sure | 23:01 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> ok, good night everyone | 23:01 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> For the record, you're more than welcome to ping me anytime, either here or in a PM | 23:01 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> 👍 | 23:02 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> This is async, I'll get back to you when I can :) | 23:02 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <Santa> haha | 23:02 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> That seemed productive :) | 23:08 |
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