 Hi RIk.  Upon autoremoving old Disco kernels. Plasma no longer starts after rebooting.  The terminal message is: Aborting shell load: The activity manager daemon (kactivitymanagerd) is not running. … If this Plasma has been installed into a custom prefix, verify that its D-Bus services dir is known to the system for the daemon to be activatable. … org.kde.plasmaquick: Applet preload policy set to 1 … plasmashell: symb
[03:57] <IrcsomeBot1> lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kirigami/org.kde.desktop.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Kirigami13PlatformTheme27setAlternateBackgroundColorERK6QColor
 Re-installing plasmashell and kactivitymanagerd/disco failed to rectify.  I tried manually starting /usr/share/kservices/kactivitymanagerd.desktop and received this error:
 KDEInit could not launch 'kactivitymanagerd': … Could not open library 'libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd'. … Cannot load library libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd: (libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
 I was not able to find libkdeinit5_kactivitymanagerd on an 18.10 system either so not sure where to poke next.
 I suspect the autoremove killed something but I am baffeled as to what  and how to mend.
[04:08] <valorie> @DarinMiller can you reinstall a kernel?
[04:09] <valorie> I never autoremove kernels until I've restarted because I'm scared of this
[04:09] <valorie> or how about install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
 The PC boots fine, in fact I am running from that PC now.
[04:10] <valorie> ah
 I also tried --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <valorie> but plasma won't start
 krunner and other apps launch just fine
[04:10] <valorie> reinstall plasmashell?
[04:11] <valorie> right, they aren't plasma
 tried that too.
[04:11] <valorie> gosh
[04:11] <valorie> there used to be a "plasma-desktop"
[04:11] <valorie> might still be
[04:12] <valorie> !info plasma-desktop
[04:12] <valorie> worth a try
 when you asked about plasmashell I assume you meant plasma-desktop....
[04:13] <valorie> nope
[04:13] <valorie> plasmashell is sort of the engine behind it
[04:14] <valorie> as I understand it
[04:14] <valorie> I found out that rather than restarting or even logging out/in I could just quit plasmashell in the cli and then restart it in krunner
 plasmashell does not have it's own package...
[04:15] <valorie> don't need that much anymore
[04:15] <valorie> !info plasmashell
[04:15] <valorie> huh
 yes. I restart it quite freqently across my systems also...
[04:17] <valorie> did you try `sudo apt install -f`
 Good Idea, but that did not work either...
 KCI rewrite prototype, I did this for Lubuntu but it's as easy as adjusting your own config file: https://ci.lubuntu.me/
 Complete with Britney support
 I was attempting comparing boot times on my test box between Neon, 18.10, 19.04 and Solus.  18.04 and 19.04 require about ~44secs to boot (Long time for an SSD).  Neon boots in ~18seconds.  Solus boots in 10.5 secons!   We have some work to do!
[04:20] <valorie> so @DarinMiller did you try `kquitapp plasmashell` and then try starting it in krunner?
 Simon the rewrite in python?
 Yep!
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/
 Cool!!!!
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ppa-britney/
 It needs some polish but it's working thus far.
 Valorie, plasmashell is not running so killing is not possible.
[04:23] <valorie> yeah
 Of course, like I said, it's designed with Lubuntu in mind, but once it reaches feature parity with KCI we can swap it out.
[04:23] <valorie> and it won
[04:23] <valorie> t start from krunner
 Very nice Simon!
[04:23] <valorie> did you learn a lot, tsimonq2?
 Quite a bit :)
 I use a terminal so I can see the launch failures, but same issue.
 From here, adding additional features should be easy.
 Sorry to interrupt your convo though :)
 Simon, I love it.  That is awesome!
[04:25] <valorie> @DarinMiller my last idea is `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[04:26] <valorie> in case it's a wonked config
 oh yeah, good idea.... trying it now...
 annnnnd..... no dice
[04:28] <valorie> phooey
[04:28] <valorie> you need someone with more arrows in the quiver
[04:29] <valorie> tsimonq2: very nice work from what I can see
 Thanks valorie :)
[04:30] <valorie> how long did it take you to get it this far?
 I started earlier this week but the bulk of the work was done yesterday and today
 So less than two weeks
[04:31] <valorie> wow
 sweet!
 It's easy once you can wrap your head around how Jenkins does things
 Hey.  I once wrote Excel macro call job Generator.... but it had nothing to do with KCI or open source...
 Hahahahaha
 plasmashell is up and running.... sudo apt purge kactivitymanagerd/disco followed by sudo apt install kactivitymanagerd/disco followed by sudo apt install plasma-desktop (because the purge killed it)... followed by sudo apt install sddm (cuz purge  kactivitymanagerd made SDDM a target for autoremoval ??!!!).....
[04:45] <valorie> wow
[04:45] <valorie> \o/
 :)
[04:46] <valorie> that was some work!
 part of the adventures of beta testing....
 now back to trouble shooting the long Kubuntu boot times....
 Did you see my post on how fast Solus boots?  It's crazy fast.  I am running systemd-analyze attempting to help pin down why, but not making too much sense as the moment....
 Anyone know of any other tools to measure/test boot times and related delays?
 brb... rebooting disco now that plasma is working...
 systemd-analyze show similr times between Solas and Kubuntu, yet on this box, Solus boots to destop in 10.5sec vs Cosmic/Disco times of 41-44sec. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kw7tPxmSvK/
[05:08] <valorie> bootchart ?
[05:08] <valorie> !info bootchart
[05:08] <valorie> hmm
[05:09] <valorie> well, that's what people sometimes
[05:09] <valorie> use
 systemd-analyze will create an SVG chart. Googling bootchart to see if it is one and the same...
 hmmm, website is a bit dated.... http://www.bootchart.org/download.html
 wow, look at the difference in service enabled in 19.04 vs Solas: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zMBCXk6x7k/
 Attempting disabling NetworkManager-wait-online.service at 1st try....
 make no sense.... none of these service are taking up much time.... yet booting to desktop takes over 40sec. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5kNJ7sKz7D/
 systemd total time is 5.925seconds.... Anyone have any  other ideas to try?
[05:41] <valorie> did you find bootchart?
[05:42] <valorie> I know that neon works on this every once in awhile
[05:42] <valorie> sitter in particular
 neon require ~18seconds to boot...
 see my link to bootchart^^^... website is 14 years old...
[05:45] <valorie> ok
[05:46] <valorie> oh gosh, dapper!
[05:46] <valorie> hasn't been packaged for awhile
[05:47] <valorie> might be good to bring this to the devel ML
[05:47] <valorie> others might have an idea
[05:48] <valorie> solus has very few services enabled for sure
 yes. agreed.  I will continue experimenting tomorrrow and send mail if I don't make headway...
[05:49] <valorie> might be worth looking at say, fedora and opensuse too
 But systemd service are not the cause for the long delay only 6sec in total.
[05:49] <valorie> every added second or even partial second adds up though
 systemd-analyze times are very close after disabling network wait...  24 vs 26s.... but somehow Solas is able to display a desktop in 10s.
 might have to compare lubuntu and ubuntu boot times... maybe its a canonical config that's slowing down boots (but neon does not near as bad (18s) , so again makes no sense...)
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 Fixed the slow boot times! Set System Settings -> Workplace Theme -> Splash screen to None.  Boot to desktop is now 11 seconds!
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 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/90ZtyG5U/file_13900.webp
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[16:02] <mparillo> DarinMiller: I wonder why displaying a splash screen would take very long. I assume it is resolved locally? Even if it is animated, that sound strange.
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 I fully agree.  The desktop definitely appears much quicker and I am able to launch things immediately.  So even if the boot is not fully complete, the boot experience feels much faster with it disabled.  Two 18.10 and a 19.04 system improved dramatically with it disabled.  Maybe it has a default timer somewhere and we can fix it?
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 @tsimonq2, 👌
 @tsimonq2 I will put my ideas in order, and if you are around later or maybe other I can tell you the good the bad and the ugly about the prototype
 Go ahead
 I understand it doesn't have feature-parity with KCI yet
 I'd like to get there though.
 yeah, I won't dig into lack of features because that's understandable but overall design
 Sure, I'm open to ideas
 allright, give me a few hours to put my ideas in order to avoid misunderstandings/confusion
 ok
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[20:37] <acheronuk> mparillo marco-parillo[m] frameworks 5.56 is here
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 5.56 looking good so far.  I was surprised it landed as I thought feature freeze was in effect.
 @DarinMiller, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-framework/+bug/1819256
 we won't get 5.57 :P
[20:40] <valorie> frameworks aren't really about features
 Oh, that was fast!  Ahh I see  how you and Simon tag teamed it... nice.
 Did you see my comment regarding boot times and splash screen?
 @DarinMiller, It requires both of us to ack under this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#Packageset_FFe_Delegations
 @DarinMiller, Yeah, but makes not much sense to me. Have not had a chance to test
 I tried looking at the ksplash source to see if we could set a timeout variable but did not see anything obvious.
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 If it has just started doing this, maybe report a bug. If general, you will not be the only one to get it
 If it is general, it would be better to fix upstream
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 somewhere between 16.04 and 18.10 boots s;owed but since I don't reboot very much I just ignored the extra time.  A mutual friend of ours recommended I tried Solus as it "quite optimized" and that's when I discoverd boot times were so slow by comparison.
 If someone else will confirm I will file a bug.
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[21:09] <valorie> it does seem a bit slow to me but as time as has gone on I've added memory and moved to SSDs
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[21:09] <valorie> and I don't reboot often
 back
 @tsimonq2 if you are around we could discuss that bunch of things about CI
 I have list of topics here
 Sure
 ok I will start with "an offer you cannot refuse": making the code pylint clean (or almost pylint clean) since the beggining
 Yeah heh, lp_check.py is, I'm not 100% sure the rest is.
 Good point.
 just to add some info: some time ago we had a meeting and we decided to make KA pylint clean: since then I have been changing a zillion of code lines, and from my experience it's easier to handle if we do that since the beginning
 Yeah, it's only 200 or 300 lines, shouldn't be too hard (I follow some of the rules like wrapping at 80 lines already)
 this is what I get with pylint3: https://invent.kde.org/snippets/52
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 ok, so not too bad.
 yeah, try to do that with git-clone-all from KA 2.2 XD
 hehe
 just FYI regarding KA there's a cheesy pylint_check.sh script which includes all the code which was already cleaned up
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 that being said, if you don't want to do further comments about this, we could move to the next topic
 move to the next topic? [y/n]
 Yeah, no problem :)
 y
 ok
 now, I would like to share my thoughts about the overall design and general concepts
 I guess you did some time some backup script to store your data in a *.tar.gz or something like, didn't you?
 @Santa, I don't get what you mean
 What data are you referring to?
 personal documents, photos, etc...
 I don't know how this relates to this :)
 I'll get there
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 but have you ever done a script for yourself (backup or otherwise) which you are the only one who knows how to use it?
 I do have some backups, it's more manual (I haven't scripted much) + some Seafile stuff
 @Santa, My script isn't particularly difficult :)
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 But yeah
 I do have to document some of this stuff, I'm aware
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 ok, well, the thing is I have been struggling for a long time with something which could be named as the "backup script syndrome"
 ahh :)
 (i.e. my old siduction automation had it, kubuntu's old tooling has it, tritemio still has it, the kci has it...)
 the thing is not just about lack of documentation
 but also about the way the software works
 Yeah, I get it
 take for example the old kubuntu toling (i.e. the ugly monolithic scripts): they were somewhat documented
 however it was almost impossible to do a dry run, and that was a very very bad thing, and back in the days I couldn't contribute to them very much precisely because of that
 so now that we know what the "backup script syndrome" is, and going back to the reality of the CI world, one of the worst problems (if not THE worst) I see in the current CI is the fact that the tooling can't be executed outside the jenkins pipelines, thus making it more difficult to debug/fix/contribute
 related to that: with the current KCI I think we also have no easy way to have a "testing" KCI and a "production" one
 @Santa, Yes it can, you just have to set it up correctly :)
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 @tsimonq2, I'm talking about our current KCI FTR
 Ohh
 The CI I wrote can be modified completely outside of Jenkins
 yeah, seems like a good starting point
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 so, this allows me to move to the next topic, unless you have further questions about the "backup script syndrome"; I guess we both agree we should avoid it as much as possible. we can of course discuss *how* to do it but I just wanted for now to point out the general idea
 Go ahead
 ok, as a reminder, that's what I had on my personal experiment for the new KCI: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/black-operations/mechanical-octopus/
 Yup, I've discovered all of that on my own :)
 Login is with LP
 so that being said I would like to discuss the general picture of the new CI I had in mind, which I have the impression it's similar to yours but slightly different
 Sure
 and I also think we can agree on many things
 so here's the thing: my rought idea was having a program to add jobs to the kci and another one to "build source packages in CI fashion"; this program would be used in the jenkins pipelines
 Yup, so what I have implemented right now is "jobgenerator" which pulls the YAML file from the CI Metadata repo I have set up and creates all the jobs using the API
 It'll automatically add jobs, I have yet to add code which automatically removes them
 and the code is better than mine, but I would alter one thing I think
 The jobs themselves takes the tip of upstream with the `ci/unstable` branch (this can be customized) and uploads to LP, checking that everything is published before marking the job successful
 Sure
 the program to add jobs I did is "kci-add-job" and is meant to be executed inside a git clone
 from the git clone you can figure out the upstream git url
 however I din't use that python lib you used so in that regard your code is better I think
 @Santa, Well, you then have to deal with the overhead of cloning *everything* every time "jobgenerator" is ran.
 I have a simple YAML file (and I'm close to cutting the size in half (if not more) by templating it)
 yeah, but that's not my point
 the thing is: I was trying to achieve a couple of things: one is being able to add/change a CI job individually
 this way you could have a testing/experimental CI with a few sample packages
 Yeah, the disadvantage with what I have now is when you edit the config, all of the jobs are rebuilt. I don't know if there's any other way.
 @Santa, Oh, yeah, look at the YAML I have deployed
 You can set different upload targets and releases per job by overriding the defaults.
 Every variable set globally for all of the jobs can be overridden.
 The next step from here is templating things, so you can just set a template for a group of packages that, as a group, override the defaults.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/browse/master/ci.conf
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 with "group of packages" what do you have in mind?
 something like lxqt/frameworks/plasma or something user-defined?
 Take an example … ```defaults: …     ... …     upload_target: "ppa:lubuntu-ci/unstable-ci-proposed" …     ... … templates: …     kci_unstable: …         upload_target: "ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable" … packages: …     - name: "calamares" …     - name: "akonadi" …       template: "kci_unstable" …     - name: "terrible-package" …       upload_target: "ubuntu"```
 When jobgenerator goes through this, calamares will upload to ppa:lubuntu-ci/unstable-ci-proposed, akonadi to ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable, and terrible-package to ubuntu. This applies to any variable we choose to set.
 ack, ok
 so basically you have the "let's just add a few packages as a sample" under control
 Yeah
 the second thing I had in mind about my experimental kci-add-job is data duplication
 Oh?
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 yeah. let's say we both agree that this use of YAML you are doing to create jobs is cool (right now I tend to think it is)
 the next issue is, having "combo breakers": i.e. packages with different names
 and the next how to compose a YAML for a zillion of packages
 @Santa, What's a more efficient alternative? :)
 @Santa, Yeah, that's a good point
 We don't have any of those in Lubuntu
 but we do in Kubuntu
 Right
 and I think we both agree we could try to make something generic to be used both in lubuntu and kubuntu
 so the question is: what do you think about making a command, let's say "update-ci-metadata" to be executed against git packaging clones which would update the yaml?
 so we could do something like "do-all update-ci-metadata"
 @Santa, I'm not opposed to it, but there's several bits that aren't defined in the package itself.
 such as?
 Upload target
 Releases to define jobs for
 Default packaging branch and default upstream brach
 anything else?
 Not really
 ok
 Oh, and if it's used for both Lubuntu and Kubuntu we'd need to define packaging repos
 Maybe those can just be put in a template
 And when calling `update-ci-metadata` it could take a template as the argument
 I think there's a better way
 ok
 consider this:
 upload target[s] -> we can figure out a "default" one given the "release type" (= frameworks, plasma, applications, lxqt ...)
 Releases to define jobs for -> add a "-d/--dists <comma_separated_list>" argument to the "update-ci-metadata" command
 Default packaging branch and default upstream branch -> figure it out from the release type, same as the upload target[s]
 any flaws? comments?
 Works for me
 ok, so let's move to the other program of my kci experiment
 gbp-kci
 ok
 https://invent.kde.org/snippets/53
 ↑ that's the command from your template
 Yup
 so, in order to reduce the "backup script syndrome", would you agree part of that command should be actually a gbp-something command from KA?
 specifically the part which builds the source package
 @Santa, Unless KA becomes flavor-agnostic, I would rather not use KA tooling for this
 that's the thing; we can make it flavor agnostic. pretty much like your ci
 I'm not against it, but I'd rather it be with the CI codebase or at least an associated repo like "ci-scripts" :)
 To be clear: I'm totally for writing the script.
 I think it's a great idea.
 But if it's something you'd expect anyone but Kubuntu to use, we should store it in a location that makes sense for that purpose.
 that's another thing, I think it would be interesting, in the long term, to not separate completely the ci from automation
 and for the record, we can rename kubuntu automation as ubuntu automation XD
 I wouldn't be opposed to it, if there's no Kubuntuisms in there :)
 ok
 it's getting late here, so let's continue tomorrow?
 this way I can also write down a few reasons why I think there shouldn't be a "wall" between ci code and automation code
 @Santa, Sure
 ok, good night everyone
 For the record, you're more than welcome to ping me anytime, either here or in a PM
 👍
 This is async, I'll get back to you when I can :)
 haha
 That seemed productive :)
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