[00:19] <scott_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Rc9nM9QV6/
[00:19] <scott_> Does any of that explain why kvm (and possibly samba) can't access my NTFS partitions?
[00:33] <goldkatze> On disco/19.04, does either okular or xournalpp render a smiley on page 9 (page 395) of this file? https://0x0.st/zHQr.pdf
[00:34] <goldkatze> (Earlier Ubuntu versions ship with older versions of the poppler PDF rendering library)
[01:28] <cuma> I cannot hear any sounds on the computer. "dummy outout" it seems. is this normal?
[01:29] <goldkatze> No.
[01:30] <Bashing-om> !sound | cuma
[01:32] <cuma> I am trying
[02:03] <cuma> Is the sound card physically installed and recognized by your hardware? -lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"- Is it normal to wait a long time after writing?
[02:20] <amosbird> Hi, how can I remove secret key from gpg key file?
[03:03] <Elodin> is default ubuntu already using gnome?
[03:03] <Elodin> or is still using unity? i heard a while ago it was dropping unity for gnome
[03:04] <krytarik> Elodin: Yep, for a few releases already.
[03:04] <Elodin> my father came to me asking for a distro, so 18 has gnome already?
[03:04] <Elodin> thanks
[03:05] <krytarik> !unity
[03:17] <Haunted330> This channel is closed. You are going to have to leave.
[03:19] <DalekSec> Haunted330: Please don't pull that crap here.
[03:19] <Haunted330> This channel is closed. You are going to have to leave.
[03:19] <Haunted330> You need to leave. We are closed.
[03:19] <Haunted330> There is not crap being pulled or anything
[03:20] <DalekSec> Haunted330: Please, drop the subject.  It's incorrect and you know this.
[03:20] <Haunted330> Im just here doing my job. Thats all
[03:20] <Haunted330> please do not argue with me
[03:53] <mIk3_08> hello guys... just wanna ask here, who is already using kernel 5.0 in Ubuntu 18.04 OS type 64bit
[03:55] <mIk3_08> hello guys... just wanna ask here, who is already using kernel 5.0 in Ubuntu 18.04 OS type 64bit
[03:56] <plongshot> Are there any known issues with ugrading my distribution from the command line?  I remember when I started using ubuntu and would see posts in the forums about problems.
[03:58] <plongshot> And, is there any way to output  a list of the program names I have on my launch bar?
[03:58] <pragmaticenigma> plongshot: As long as you follow the documentation on upgrading, you shouldn't have issues. Also, make sure you have backed up your system or have a recent back up
[03:58] <Bashing-om> plongshot: ^^ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes .
[03:59] <pragmaticenigma> plongshot: what version of ubuntu are you currently on?
[03:59] <plongshot> pragmaticenigma: Thanks. I was gong off of this:  https://www.ostechnix.com/upgrade-ubuntu-single-command/  Desktops section
[03:59] <plongshot> pragmaticenigma: 16.04 LTTS
[04:00] <pragmaticenigma> plongshot: that would be an example of doing it wrong... don't follow that article
[04:00] <plongshot> ok
[04:00] <plongshot> thanks for steering me straight
[04:01] <pragmaticenigma> plongshot: for reference, the issue with that article is the "-d" after the do-release-upgrade ... the "-d" sets your installation on the development channel, which is BETA
[04:02] <pragmaticenigma> plongshot: it wouldn't upgrade you to 18.04, it would instead put you on 19.04 which is still in development. Which might explain why you had issues in the past
[04:02] <pragmaticenigma> it also would take you off the LTS release cycle
[04:02] <mIk3_08> Bashing-om: are using the latest kernel 5.0?
[04:03] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | mIk3_08
[04:03] <Bashing-om> mIk3_08: No .. My daily is 18.04 - 4.15.0-46-generic .
[04:04] <plongshot> pragmaticenigma: So, according to the text at the link you gave, If I want to upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS I have to do a total of 4 upgrades? (from 16.04 to 16.10, to 17.04, to 17.10, to 18.04)?
[04:04] <plongshot> Does that sound right?
[04:05] <pragmaticenigma> plongshot: no
[04:05] <mIk3_08> Bashing-om: Thanks... same here. but planning to use the latest kernel. is it advisable?
[04:06] <plongshot> What do they mean by "Renewing the Installation" in that article?
[04:06] <Bashing-om> plongshot: NO ! LTS to LTS . what shows in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ?
[04:06] <mIk3_08> Thanks ubottu... is it okay to use latest kernel?
[04:07] <Bashing-om> mIk3_08: read the article in UWN this week, We are advised to wait for 19.04 stable.
[04:07] <plongshot> Bashing-om: Prompt=lts
[04:08] <pragmaticenigma> mIk3_08: ubottu is a bot, also, the latest kernel is not supported in this channel. Installing it is at your own risk and the volunteers in this channel will be unable to assist you with issues you have with your computer going forward
[04:09] <plongshot> So I (ideally) will have all my settings, installed programs, items on the launcher, config in general when this i s all over?
[04:09] <pragmaticenigma> mIk3_08: Let me rephrase... Kernel 5.0 is not supported in Ubuntu yet. This channel is only able to support Ubuntu installations running kernels from official Ubuntu software sources
[04:09] <mIk3_08> pragmaticenigma: Thanks...
[04:09] <Bashing-om> plongshot: Then when all is ready will go 16.04 to 18.04 :) .. make sure if you have nvidia graphic that you revert to nouveau ( for one thing ).
[04:09] <plongshot> I mean, that's the intended behavior of the operation?
[04:09] <plongshot> How can I find info how to do that?
[04:11] <pragmaticenigma> plongshot: Correct, using the instructions here "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BionicUpgrades" ... with exceptions of programs not provided by Ubuntu's official software repos, everything will continue to be where you left them and have had them configured
[04:23] <sergey> Клепченко Ольга
[04:30] <plongshot> My driver is listed as "driver=i915"  is that something I would have to worry about or do any tweaks for if I did a system upgrade?
[04:32] <plongshot> Bashing-om:  ^ ?
[04:34] <Bashing-om> plongshot: Nope that i915 is Intell, and it is in the kernel. Nothing to fear there :)
[04:38] <amazoniantoad> How do I specify bridge ports with netplan?
[04:45] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Here: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan .
[04:45] <amazoniantoad> thanks
[04:55] <sanchitrk> hi
[05:15] <srcoldham1> mir and unity8 or gnome for ubuntu which one will be the best
[05:16] <gunarm_> I have an nfs export I just made and 3 machines can mount it just fine but one is getting "access is denied by server".  any ideas how to figure out what is causing that?
[05:16] <Bashing-om> !best | srcoldham1
[05:22] <srcoldham1> my feeling is that development should be on mir and unity8 because of convergence and lightweight interface. Devlopment on a desktop application could also work on a mobile device with some minor UI changes and scaling and snaps could take that lead snaps on mobile iot and desktop full unification
[05:25] <Bashing-om> srcoldham1: See: https://news.softpedia.com/news/purism-announces-convergence-for-its-linux-phones-and-laptops-525203.shtml .
[05:28] <srcoldham1> < Bashing-om>: yes they have achieved this but this does not apply to ubuntu our goal would be for ubuntu since this is an ubuntu forum plus ubuntu touch and unity8 would be a lot better than purism considering canoncial's reach and power both in the server space and strong influnce in desktop also
[05:31] <Bashing-om> srcoldham1: You will be better served on #ubuntu-discuss; as this is not a support issue for this channel.
[05:33] <srcoldham1> ok thanks
[05:37] <plongshot> I'm creating my first cron job. Is this valid format for a cron scripts for it to run every day?  15 10 * * 0 <command>
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !cron | plongshot can this help?
[05:48] <plongshot> lotuspsychje: I'm having a problem wher I get the error no crontab for user if I run crontab -l (sudo corntab -l gets no crontab for root). I have a script located in /etc/cron.daily but I'm wondering if I have written it's contents correctly. (I read somewhere that you have to begin the command with a time sequence of five fields) and my script did not contain that.
[05:48] <plongshot> Sorry forgot to say...  I also got the minute error when I ran crontab -u [user] <file>
[05:54] <gunarm_> plongshot, i'm no expert but your paste *does* have fields in the time sequence.  the last one I think is day of week though which will prob make your task run once per week
[05:54] <gunarm_> you can see the fields in the comment in /etc/crontab
[05:54] <gunarm_> does have 5 fields*
[05:54] <gunarm_> sometimes you need a user after the 5 time fields though I believe
[05:55] <gunarm_> yours has no use after time erroneous day of week field so the error makes sense
[05:55] <gunarm_> no user
[06:13] <bidel> Hi :)
[06:13] <jbaumgartner_> hello
[06:15] <sitm2> is Golang worth learning?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> sitm2: the scope of this channel is more about ubuntu support
[06:16] <sitm2> is there a ubuntu lounge channel?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> sitm2: maybe #programming help you too
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> sitm2: sure
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> sitm2: #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:16] <sitm2> thanks!
[06:26] <plongshot> Is there any way to tell if a cron job has been executing? Some log or something?
[06:29] <alocer> "/var/log/cron"
[06:31] <ilias_gr> hi all. I am running Xubuntu 16.04.6 and because April 2019 is coming I run ubuntu-support-status command and I get 1455 packages (82.3%) supported until April 2021 (Canonical - 5y) --- 205 packages (11.6%) supported until April 2019 (Community - 3y) --- 47 packages (2.7%) supported until April 2021 (Community - 5y) --- 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded and 60 packages (3.4%) that are unsupported. Is there any way (inste
[06:31] <ilias_gr> ad fo upgrade the system) to keep supported some of the packages which will be no more supported after April 2019?
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ilias_gr: 16.04 is still supported longer then april
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ilias_gr: its 14.04 going end of life in april
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> !yy.mm | ilias_gr
[06:35] <ilias_gr> lotuspsychje: I think it won't be supported any package supported from the Community. Isn't it?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> ilias_gr: if you follow the LTS way and keep your packages clean from the official repos, you will be good
[06:37] <ilias_gr> lotuspsychje: I have on my system LTS version and I am receiving any update normally. Is it OK for the future and will my system safe & updated until Apr 2021?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> ilias_gr: depends on how you managed your system, maybe pastebin your sources.list to the channel? volunteers can take a look
[07:23] <Gerowen> Is "dist-upgrade" still necessary if you're using apt instead of apt-get?
[07:23] <Gerowen> I could be wrong, but I seem to remember things like new kernel versions were held back without "dist-upgrade", but I just got new kernels on my raspberry pi with just a normal "apt upgrade"
[07:24] <p3tr1nn1> I think it is still necessary gerowen
[07:25] <Gerowen> p3tr1nn1: K, was just curious, thanks, :-)
[07:25] <p3tr1nn1> no problem
[07:39] <conjo> alist search networks
[07:40] <conjo> can anyone tell me how to use alist to search for a channel on a given topic please
[07:41] <OerHeks> !alis
[07:55] <conjo> thanks
[07:55] <conjo> found a page and the help option
[08:01] <conjo> having trouble signing in with sasl enabled have ticked the box and selected the tile with sasl msg nickserv+passwd and entered my details but it wont allow me to login see errors shown https://freenode.net/kb/answer/findingchannels
[08:01] <conjo> using hexchat
[08:02] <krytarik> conjo: Please, any further network or client support in #freenode or #hexchat, respectively.
[08:03] <conjo> sorry
[08:09] <marcellino71> lucio dalla
[08:13] <azad> I want to upload/create files on a local ftp server(vsftp) as anonymous and my vsftpd.conf is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KtYxY4ZKJ9/ but I can access but no write permission still
[08:13] <tomreyn> Gerowen: the 'apt' man page calls it 'full-upgrade', but 'dist-upgrade' should also work.
[08:14] <tomreyn> azad: and the error message sent to the client and the log message logged by the server are?
[08:18] <azad> tomreyn, the logs https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7zZ88BW9Bq/ and yes, I am actually pavlushka on a client's machine
[08:20] <azad> tomreyn, and the local clients to this ftp server are windows machines
[08:23] <tomreyn> the log shows only anonymous logins
[08:23] <tomreyn> oh you want anonymous uploads, ok
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> azad: be carefull with ftp, youl get hammered 24/7 :p
[08:24] <azad> lotuspsychje, its a localonly
[08:25] <azad> tomreyn, yes, anonymous uploads
[08:26]  * root_ 
[08:29] <tomreyn> azad: maybe compare with this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/60508/how-to-configure-an-anonymously-writable-ftp-server-with-vsftpd
[08:29] <azad> tomreyn, on it
[08:30] <tomreyn> this config is old, though, so i'm not sure it still applies. i'm not really into ftp servers anymore, stopped using them years ago
[08:31] <tomreyn> hadyou considered alternatives?
[08:32] <azad> tomreyn, actually I use sftp but it's on request for a easy-peasy solution for file-storage but no sensitive data
[08:32] <tomreyn> and sftp is not "easy peasy"? then why not use http?
[08:33] <sazawal> Hello. The DSL connection on my Lubuntu 18.10 is not working. I have copied the connection settings from nm-connection-editor of my Ubuntu 16.04 where it works perfectly. There are some extra settings of "Parent Interface" and "PPP Interface" in the new version. How do I fix it?
[08:34] <azad> tomreyn, it should be browsable through file-browser, that's the goal
[08:34] <tomreyn> azad: webdav would be.
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: you want to connect a dsl with login:pass?
[08:35] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: yes, I have my own username and password.
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: compare here: https://medium.com/@dineshsonachalam/creating-a-dsl-connection-on-ubuntu-18-04-1-lts-c5b7845beea0
[08:37] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: This looks like the same solution as the first answer here https://askubuntu.com/questions/966647/how-to-create-a-dsl-connection-in-network-manager-in-ubuntu-17-10  But it didn't work for me.
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: maybe lubuntu is missing something you need?
[08:39] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: yes, I guess. By the way I have installed pppoe and pppoeconf, just to see if it works. Nothing helped so far.
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: but did you try that with nmcli?
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: also found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1771713
[08:41] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: yes, I tried that too. I mean from the askubuntu link, I have created the DSL connection from the terminal, and then opened it in nm-connection-editor to enter username and password. In your link it is entering the username and password from the nmcli console, which is the same I guess.
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: so i presume after adding, in lubuntu's network settings it doesnt show neither?
[08:43] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: By the way it seems to me that the questions are for "not finding a DSL connection option" in the nm-applet. But I found the option anyway in nm-connection-editor (I had to install network-manager-gnome though).
[08:43] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: Let me check the launchpad bug.
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: if you thinks its relevant, please affect to the bug and add your story
[08:48] <tomreyn> sazawal: Here's how you can create a DSL connection on the terminal:  nmcli con edit type pppoe con-name "My DSL connection"
[08:48] <tomreyn> this enteres the interactive editor, where you can type: set pppoe.username "My ISP provided DSL username"
[08:50] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: After adding it either in lubuntu default coonection editor, or in nm-connection-editor, I see it in the list of "Known Connections", but doesn't connect at all. The launchpad bug is a bit confusing to me. What is the meaning of "doesn't lits created connection"?
[08:50] <tomreyn> then you type "save", then "quit". now the nm-applet should show this connection. Clikcing it would trigger a conneciton attempt, bringing up a "DSL authentication" prompt with the username pre-filled, an empty "service" field which you keep empty (unless ISP instructed otherwise), and a password field where you place the SP provided DSL password.
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: yeah the user didnt explained himself very well in the bug...
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> try what tomreyn suggests sazawal ^
[08:52] <sazawal> tomreyn: I guess this is the workaround because you do not see "Create new DSL connection" in the nm-applet. But this can be done using nm-connection-editor. Anyway I tried this from it from https://askubuntu.com/questions/966647/how-to-create-a-dsl-connection-in-network-manager-in-ubuntu-17-10, doesn't make a difference.
[08:54] <tomreyn> sazawal: in my (limiteD) experience, for some advanced configurations (such as maybe PPPoE) network manager needs to be configured on the CLI, GUI configurations just won't work. that's why i'm suggesting this workaround.
[08:54] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: tomreyn I am not seeing any blinking or animations in the Network icon when I connect the DSL cable. So, I am suspecting either its a hardware or a adapter-driver issue. I am going to make a bootable Ubuntu 18.10 USB and try connecting the DSL first.
[08:55] <tomreyn> looks like this is what you did, though
[08:56] <tomreyn> if it fails with the live image, maybe try a 16.04.6 live image, too, to rule out a hardware issue.
[08:57] <sazawal> tomreyn: Yes you are right, because it works on my other Ubuntu 16.04 laptop.
[08:58] <tomreyn> do you really have a dsl modem only, though, not a router? most people have routers nowadays.
[09:00] <sazawal> tomreyn: Lol, yes. Actually I am trying fix it for an old friend. They are scared of new technologies you know.
[09:00] <tomreyn> do they use wheels?
[09:01] <sazawal> tomreyn: no, not yet :)
[09:01] <raniesantos> Is xdotool installed by default on ubuntu and ubuntu-based distros? I forgot whether I installed it myself or it was already there when I first switched.
[09:02] <OerHeks> !info xdotool
[09:02] <OerHeks> nope, it is extra
[09:03] <raniesantos> thanks
[09:03] <tomreyn> sazawal: i can understand and appreciate the approach where you don't want proprietary hardware to manage your internet connection. for the dsl modem, this will always be proprietary, sadly. but there are open hardware routers, too, and it's a lot more convenient especially if they have multiple internet accessing devices.
[09:03] <amazoniantoad> How do I add a virtual interface under netplan? I can't find documentation online
[09:04] <cuma> my neighbors came to visit the condolences. we could not solve the sound problem for three days.
[09:08] <azad> tomreyn, it is working now somehow, tried something, can't tell which one triggered the permission. :p
[09:08] <cuma> Do you have suggestions on updating bios.
[09:09] <sazawal> tomreyn: right. The real reason is that my friend (65 now), has the impression that having a new router would break everything that is already working.
[09:10] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: for netplan, try #ubuntu-server - also see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1054034/netplan-how-to-describe-veth-peer-links (in case veth is what you want, you don't specify the type of virtual NIC)
[09:11] <tomreyn> sazawal: well, sometimes that's just true. and soemtimes, especially elderly people, are too worried about change.
[09:13] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn, I'm just ditching netplan and sticking with ifupdown. What's the deal with netplan anyway? Why use it at all? I've always thought that if something isn't broken, don't fix it
[09:14] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: ifupdown support is fading, so it is replacing somthing that'll break soon.
[09:15] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn, oh. well netplan isn't even fully developed yet. I mean you can't even make additional interfaces in it!
[09:15] <cuma> Can you help me update the BIOS?
[09:15] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: netplan is a management utility for creating systemd.networks and netwokr manager configurations. it is optional, you can also configure these directly.
[09:16] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: netplan is a management utility for creating systemd-networkd and network-manager configurations. it is optional, you can also configure these directly.
[09:16] <tomreyn> ^ typos fixed
[09:17] <tomreyn> cuma: that's entirely a ##hardware matter, not ubuntu related. but i can help if you join #ubuntu-offtopic or another channel of your choice (can be a new one) where it's not off-topic.
[09:18] <amazoniantoad> ohh I see
[09:20] <cuma> kimsenin dıngılında değil
[09:21] <cuma> hemen şutla gitsin
[09:22] <cuma> i will visit the rooms you write
[09:23] <cuma> # hardware
[09:23] <cuma> şaka gibi
[09:26] <tomreyn> cuma: english only here, please
[09:26] <cuma> sorry, i will pay attention
[09:37] <tomreyn> cuma: i don't see you in ##hardware and you haven't told me another channel to join, so i'll move on to something else.
[09:37] <tomreyn> oh, i take this back
[09:51] <whoareU>   i ready to restore the deleted file using debugfs command , when i type "debugfs -w /dev/sda3" ,prompt:"/dev/sda3: Bad magic number in super-block while opening filesystem
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> whoareU: are you trying to recover lost data?
[09:52] <whoareU> my entire directory be deleted
[09:52] <EriC^> whoareU: what does "sudo blkid /dev/sda3" give?
[09:52] <EriC^> do you have backups?
[09:54] <whoareU> no backup
[09:54] <whoareU> "/dev/sda3: UUID="IkK6d8-ABjF-cvpF-RFft-5xEv-4Quw-F7HE3J" TYPE="LVM2_member" PARTUUID="60166633-2589-444a-8910-135c0e68824f" "
[09:54] <EriC^> whoareU: type 'sudo parted -s'
[09:54] <EriC^> whoareU: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999'
[09:55] <whoareU> nc option is not right
[09:56] <EriC^> must have typod
[09:56] <EriC^> can you paste the error
[09:56] <whoareU> "bash: nc: command not found...
[09:56] <whoareU> "
[09:58] <EriC^> whoareU: type 'sudo parted -ls' and paste in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <whoareU> https://img.vim-cn.com/47/8a573ecaec4d228609c75e93db6f0d6a5dd6d2.png
[10:02] <whoareU> the sda3 had umounted
[10:02] <EriC^> whoareU: you're using xfs ...
[10:03] <EriC^> whoareU: try /join #xfs
[10:03] <whoareU> thanks
[10:04] <EriC^> np
[10:49] <uzee> Hi, can anyone here help a little bit with Ubuntu desktop installation? I've setup a kickstart server to do automated installas for RHEL, Ubuntu & CentOS server editions. There is a need for a desktop automated install only for ubuntu.
[10:50] <uzee> Can I use the same server kickstart file and just add 'ubuntu-desktop' and 'unity' packages? would that be sufficient? I know pressed is the better option which we will move on to but at this time just trying to make it simple with only kickstart
[11:21] <tomreyn> uzee: i've not recently done it, but as far as i know kickstart is still supported. and you juts need to add ubuntu-desktop (or the graphical desktop flavour of your choice), no need to list unity (unless you want unity-desktop, which is noo longer the default desktop in current ubuntu).
[11:23] <uzee> tomreyn: thanks very much, is it also a correct understanding that "desktop version doesn't support unattended installations" from http://gyk.lt/ubuntu-16-04-desktop-unattended-installation/
[11:24] <uzee> I'm trying to figure out if i should point to a desktop version for installation or keep the server edition and only add ubuntu-desktop ?
[11:34] <Bilbo0> In man srm " -f     fast (and insecure mode): no /dev/urandom, no synchronize mode." What is synchronize mode?
[11:36] <tomreyn> uzee: personally i'd prefer doing a pxe boot using the debian-installer, so using either mini.iso or the alternative server installer.
[11:37] <tomreyn> uzee: i don't know what the state of kickstart support on the desktop installer is.
[11:37] <tomreyn> and current LTS is 18.04.2
[11:38] <uzee> tomreyn: yes it seems like there are a some unknowns in this domain. I agree and aslo wanted a pxe based approach however, there is already a pxe server used by our windows guys, and sadly I can't have another pxe server on the same network :( although I could've investigated that in a different subnet but I haven't done that so far
[11:39] <tomreyn> and using the existing pxe server is not an option?
[11:40] <uzee> my biggest concern with ubuntu kickstart, when compared with rhel/centos kickstart, is that with ubuntu kickstart I have to provide an internet based source for the url. Whereas in rhel/centos I can use the localhost so that installation does not require internet access. I don't think there is a way around it, if you know of one, I'd be delighted to know
[11:41] <tomreyn> i don't know how (or whether?) pxe booting works with windows, it is probably different, but maybe there's a deployment system which can handle both.
[11:41] <uzee> so my kickstart has this: url --url http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:41] <uzee> url --url http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:42] <uzee> the original idea was to have a local self-contained server which hosts all the installation media files/packages, etc. I'm hoping the preseeding will allow that, but I don't know yet
[11:42] <tomreyn> that's an archive mirror where the ubuntu installer will (in a secure way) install software from
[11:43] <tomreyn> you can host a local archive mirror, or just a proxy cache for it.
[11:43] <uzee> tomreyn: I understand but I tried giving an http path to my kickstart server and it doesn't work, then I read somewhere that it needs to be an ubuntu internet url
[11:43] <tomreyn> a local file path may also work.
[11:44] <tomreyn> uzee: i don't know what a "http path" or an "ubuntu insternet url" are
[11:44] <uzee> for a local archive mirror, I'd neet to setup a proper ubuntu mirror, correct? and I don't know what is a proxy cache and how to make it work? any pointers... ? thanks much
[11:45] <tomreyn> an archive mirror would be a full mirror of the ubuntu archives for the ubuntu releases you need mirrored, yes.
[11:45] <Bilbo0> In man srm " -f     fast (and insecure mode): no /dev/urandom, no synchronize mode." What is synchronize mode?
[11:46] <tomreyn> uzee: a proxy cache is a server which downloads any files from the internet and passes them down to the requesting client, but then caches those files and passes them directly to the next client requesting the same file.
[11:47] <uzee> ah, ok. by the http path I mean the source of installation media, for centos for example, I have: url --url=http://myserver.domain/centos/CentOS6
[11:48] <uzee> tomreyn, I'll look into the proxy cache as well as setting up a local ubuntu mirror. My main reason to avoid it was because then there's one more machine to manage and make sure is updated, etc.
[11:48] <terabyte> Hey, I have the following output for startup times, any suggestions as to how i can make it quicker? it's a virtualbox with 18.04 ubuntu. https://pastebin.com/8XJ75Aqm
[11:48] <uzee> by internet url, I meant the url parameter and value in the kickstart file
[11:48] <tomreyn> uzee: https://github.com/vrillusions/ubuntu-kickstart seems to provide tested kickstart configurations (found by a web search, i have no experience with this and there is no warranty on anything)
[11:48] <OerHeks> i think srm gives no synchronised mode, as there is nothing to sync
[11:49] <uzee> tomreyn: thanks, I believe I did come across that as well, however haven't tried it, will certainly give it a shot...
[11:50] <sohkha> tomreyn, OerHeks you two are ubuntu gods mad props
[11:51] <Bilbo0> OerHeks: What do you mean? If there is only one way to synchronize or no, why is it listed in man as a toggle effect? I was thinking maybe sychronize as in working to secure delete multiple files at once?
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:51] <Bilbo0> but my interpretation doesn't really make sense with the wording of the man
[11:52] <Bilbo0> I mean why would the simple fast toggle or whatever it's called, not be able to do something faster, so I must be wrong
[11:53] <tomreyn> terabyte: vboxadd.service is probably only once. if it turns out to delay the boot every time, use the apt repository from virtualbox.org instead, if it still takes long then, seek support in #vbox.
[11:54] <terabyte> tomreyn: so you reckon this is down to it being installed on vbox?
[11:54] <terabyte> let me reboot and see what happens
[11:55] <tomreyn> terabyte: well at least what you posted has the longest selay listed for this service, so this is probably what you'd tackle first.
[11:55] <tomreyn> selay -> delay
[11:55] <terabyte> ok
[11:55] <benederes> ubuntu and only 1429 people ? realy? so sad
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> benederes: do you have an ubuntu question?
[11:56] <benederes> nope,just checking IRC
[11:56] <benederes> never use it before
[11:57] <uzee> tomreyn: so I had a quick look at the github link, but it looks like it uses a local cdrom as the insallation media :(
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !chat | benederes
[11:57] <uzee> What I'm trying to do is to point to a remote server so that installas a re not dependent on someone physically inserting a cdrom/usb and then running the installer
[11:57] <terabyte> separately to this, I'm finding that ubuntu is really laggy graphically. any time i do anything in the UI it's slow to react. if i hover over an icon it takes a second before the highlight occurs, if i click, it will take a second or 2 to react and draw. any basic checks I should do?
[11:58] <uzee> Also, is there a separate irc channel for ubuntu desktop? that might also be worth checking out?
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> terabyte: your desktop or the virtualbox?
[11:59] <terabyte> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 18.04 in the virtualbox. clicking terminal icon takes 10 seconds after clicking to actually show a terminal
[11:59] <terabyte> my desktop (windows host) is super fast...
[12:00] <tomreyn> uzee: there is #ubuntu-server where i assume pxe installations are best discussed.
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> terabyte: virtualbox is always more laggy then a physical install, also doesnt fully use your graphics card
[12:00] <terabyte> lotuspsychje: would vmware be any better?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> terabyte: i meant virtual machines in general
[12:02] <terabyte> lotuspsychje: i mean i expect them to be slower, but this level of sluggishness seems excessive
[12:02] <terabyte> lotuspsychje: regardless thanks for the help
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> terabyte: ubuntu-desktop with gnome is now heavier
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> terabyte: but you can do alot to tweak
[12:02] <uzee> tomreyn: thanks will try there as well
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> terabyte: i always disable unwanted startup services, install preload, clean system with bleachbit,finetune graphic settings,...
[12:04] <terabyte> ok
[12:04] <Bilbo0> In man srm " -f     fast (and insecure mode): no /dev/urandom, no synchronize mode." What is synchronize mode?
[12:06] <tomreyn> sync(1) - Synchronize cached writes to persistent storage
[12:06] <tomreyn> Bilbo0: ^
[12:09] <Bilbo0> tomreyn: I don't understand. So what is the difference with srm run "synchronized" verses "no synchronized"?
[12:11] <tomreyn> Bilbo0: it will make sure to write any change to disk immediately vs whenever the disk's write cache runs full.
[12:11] <tomreyn> so synchronized is slower.
[12:13] <tomreyn> but eliminates the dependency on proper operation the write cache. and the possibility to loose these queued writes in case of a sudden system failure.
[12:13] <tomreyn> * proper operation OF the write cache
[12:14] <Bilbo0> tomreyn: "no sync" writes to disk immediately?
[12:14] <tomreyn> the other way around
[12:14] <Bilbo0> If sync writes to disk immediately, how would that not make it faster?
[12:16] <OerHeks> Bilbo0, you choose -f .. so it skips the urandom writes, that makes it faster, and also sync, that makes it slower again
[12:17] <OerHeks> in milliseconds, not minutes
[12:17] <OerHeks> i guess the -f option makes it just as bad/secure as rm
[12:18] <Bilbo0> I tested non-f on a couple 100mb files. Nothing happened to them till final pass. If it is writing over the file the whole time, how come I can access it normally till the very end?
[12:21] <OerHeks> .. you could access files while secure deleting from commandline ??.. how did you access them?
[12:22] <sazawal> I have installed Lubuntu 18.10, and the ethernet is not working. It doesn't work either on the Ubuntu live USB. I suspect it is either hardware or driver issue. How can I troubleshoot it to know the problem?
[12:23] <Bilbo0> OerHeks: They were some anime videos I duplicated then deleted with srm. The videos played fine till the verbose terminal did its final pass
[12:23] <m__> sazawal: Cable plugged in?
[12:23] <sazawal> tomreyn: So, it didn't work on Ubuntu 16.04 live USB. The internet works on the same live USB when connected to the other laptop.
[12:23] <OerHeks> interesting.. so they were in your cache
[12:23] <Bilbo0> I left the directory and went back closed the media player and reopened and the videos played fine till they were gone
[12:24] <sazawal> m__: yes it is. Also see my recent reply to tomreyn .
[12:24] <Bilbo0> OerHeks: But I have low swap, I should be using memory till the very end. Or high swap, which is it that makes you use swap drive the least and memory the most?
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: is that the same box as your dsl problem?
[12:26] <OerHeks> Bilbo0, you are fine, files are deleted, and if you keep accessing them from cache, while deleting,  that is odd behaviour
[12:26] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: Yes, the same box, same network, same login.
[12:26] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: Actually, I don't see any animation or blinking when I connect the cable.
[12:27] <sazawal> animation in the network icon*
[12:27] <OerHeks> they are gone after removal ended
[12:27] <ayekat> sazawal: what does `ip l` list
[12:27] <ayekat> ?
[12:27] <sazawal> ayekat: 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 2: wlp1s0b1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP mode DORMANT group default qlen 1000     link/ether 20:10:7a:2e:3c:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[12:28] <Jens1112> i know but i dont care anymore
[12:28] <sazawal> The wifi is working by the way, which is a hotspot from other laptop.
[12:28] <Bilbo0> OerHeks:  which is it that makes you use swap drive the least and memory the most?
[12:28] <ayekat> sazawal: yeah, so the network card isn't recognised properly, it seems - do you see the ethernet network card in the output of `lspci`?
[12:29] <m__> Most of the time, when clients complaining this, cable is not plugged in, also I had to clean the golden parts of the plug and the socket, did that with a tooth brush-success!
[12:40] <sazawal> ayekat: I guess I do not see an ethernet card. Here is the output of lspci, https://paste.linux.community/view/6e3eccb9
[12:42] <sazawal> m__: I don't think this is a dust problem, because it is a newly bought clean laptop (although second hand). I mean I don't see any dust.
[12:44] <ayekat> sazawal: hmm, indeed - there appears to be no network card
[12:44] <ayekat> sazawal: is it detected with any other OS?
[12:45] <sazawal> ayekat: I only tried with Ubuntu 16.04 live USB, where it didn't work. I didn't check the lspci by the way. Should I do it? I think it won't show in U 16.04 either because the ethernet was not working.
[12:46] <ayekat> likely
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: im bit confused, a dsl connection goes tru a dsl modem right? its usb based yours?
[12:46] <ayekat> maybe it's just not properly connected to the motherboard
[12:47] <sazawal> ayekat: So from lspci, do I have not ethernet card or there is no ethernet driver? It doesn't make sense to not have ethernet card, because there is an ethernet slot.
[12:47] <ayekat> sazawal: well, the kernel can't see any network device plugged in, so even if it had a driver, that driver couldn't do anything
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: pastebin your dmesg perhaps, volunteers might have a look whats happening to it
[12:48] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: I don't know many technicalities of ethernet, but the incoming cable to the house goes through a modem and then through a router (not wifi router) and then the ethernet cable comes to my computer.
[12:48] <jeremy31> sazawal: easy way, copy/paste URL> dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:52] <Bilbo0> swappability confuses me, do I want a low number or high number for most use of RAM and least use of drive?
[12:52] <pldiem> Hi, I need help, I wanted to check if bootable USB will work fine, I changed boot order, I checked USB drive it was fine, but after the restart computer stopped seeing my drive in the bootable section, so I cannot run my system, I removed additional drive and still nothing
[12:52] <pldiem> is there anything I can do?
[12:53] <sazawal> jeremy31: I don't know what is wrong but termbin command is not giving me any output links. It just ends with no output. I will paste it on pastebin now, and later solve this issue.
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: how did you burn the usb stick?
[12:54] <pldiem> I don't remember now, there is memtest86
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: you sure it works?
[12:55] <pldiem> yes, I run it again just now and there were some checks at the beginning and I just exited
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: some systems you can bring up the media startup with F12
[12:55] <pldiem> let me check
[12:55] <Jens1112> i know but i dont care anymore
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> Jens1112: can we help you?
[12:56] <pldiem> lotuspsychje: empty list
[12:56] <Jens1112> @lotuspsychje: thanks
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: try another usb port yet?
[12:57] <tomreyn> Jens1112: you wrote "i know but i dont care anymore" twice, seemingly without any context. are you looking for ubuntu support?
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: what what about bios, does it recognize usb brand?
[12:57] <pldiem> hmm... but it is no the problem with USB
[12:57] <Jens1112> @tomreyn: that was auto-filled
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: we are trying to find out whats the problem
[12:58] <tomreyn> Jens1112: ok, please don't make automated posts to this channel. thanks.
[12:58] <pldiem> USB works fine, but after running USB bios stopped seeing my system drive
[12:58] <pldiem> I just want to be sure we are on the same page
[12:59] <pldiem> do you want me to check another USB port?
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: ah its your internal harddisk it doesnt see?
[12:59] <pldiem> yes
[12:59] <Jens1112> @tomreyn: sure i did not meant to it was unintentionally
[12:59] <tomreyn> Jens1112: alright ;)
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: is that an uefi system?
[12:59] <pldiem> so I cannot boot my system
[13:00] <pldiem> yes UEFI
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: are you going to dualboot or singleboot ubuntu?
[13:00] <pldiem> singleboot
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: could you check if secureboot is=off and fastboot=off please?
[13:00] <pldiem> I just removed the additional drive to be sure it doesn't mess with anything
[13:01] <tomreyn> pldiem: you said "I removed additional drive" but did not discuss adding this drive before, or its purpose, for what i could gather.
[13:01] <pldiem> secureboot is off in the BIOS
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: you sure your partitions are not several on 1 big HD?
[13:01] <pldiem> I don't see fast boot option
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: maybe you plugged out the main harddisk, with all your partitions?
[13:02] <pldiem> the second drive is an old HDD 5200rpm
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> kk
[13:02] <pldiem> just for storing data
[13:02] <tomreyn> pldiem: either way, what you describe makes it look like you made some (mainboard firmware) configuration change which you did not reverse, or not properly. because booting off the internal storage worked initially, and no longer works now.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: so however, your bios must recognize the HD right?
[13:04] <pldiem> I did no changes in BIOS
[13:04] <pldiem> but changing boot order
[13:04] <TJ-> pldiem: It may depend on *how* the firmware setup configure boot devices. Some list each device in order, others list device types in order (e.g. USB, HDD, Net) and *then* have a sub-list for the HDD type for example.
[13:05] <pldiem> unfortunately my list is empty
[13:05] <TJ-> pldiem: If the firmware is not recognising the internal HDD/SSD that suggests a physical problem OR that the system was originally booting in Legacy BIOS/CSM mode and you've disabled that mode
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: what Os was on that second HD please?
[13:06] <pldiem> there is none, as I wrote the second drive was just for storing purposes
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: ok and on the first, windows?
[13:06] <pldiem> debian
[13:07] <tomreyn> this is #ubuntu
[13:07] <pldiem> but I found no help on #debian channel
[13:07] <pldiem> and have no invitation to #linux channel
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: but you want to install ubuntu now?
[13:07] <TJ-> pldiem: it's ##linux not #linux
[13:08] <OerHeks> for ##linux you need to register with #freenode
[13:08] <pldiem> no, I want to get my system up and running
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> then its #debian as suggested above
[13:09] <pldiem> I know that this is #ubuntu channel, but it is not system related issue I guess
[13:09] <pldiem> so I am looking for any suggestion
[13:09] <pldiem> it is quite important for me
[13:09] <pldiem> I work on this computer
[13:09] <pldiem> and tomorrow is a workday :/
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: if you burn an usb stick and want to install ubuntu, we can help you
[13:10] <OerHeks> like TJ- mentioned before, likely you disabled/enabled UEFI
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> !usb | pldiem takes 15min
[13:11] <pldiem> OerHeks: yes I did that after I noticed the issue to check if the drive will be visible in legacy mode
[13:11] <pldiem> it was
[13:11] <pldiem> I switched back
[13:11] <pldiem> and right now it is not seen in any mode
[13:12] <pldiem> OerHeks: do you think that could introduce some physical issue?
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: make your life easy and burn an ubuntu iso :p = great community support
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> in an hour ubuntu is installed on your pc
[13:18] <tomreyn> pldiem: it's possible that you accidentially loosened a wire to the other hdd, or cross wired things incorrectly when you added / removed the secondary disk. but this and fixing the firmware is really a ##hardware topic (i.e. not here). #ubuntu is about running and booting (which happens only after the firmware sorts things out) ubuntu. and you don't seem to be running ubuntu (and please don't make it look like you would, and don't intentionally
[13:18] <tomreyn> misrepresent facts, and don't request support for something else here in the future).
[13:18] <pldiem> lotuspsychje: I know that installation is quick and easy, but the problem is the data I will lose
[13:18] <tomreyn> you did not actually seek support in #debian today.
[13:19] <pldiem> I did
[13:19] <pldiem> (01:36:14 PM)
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: burn the ubuntu iso, disable fastboot & secureboot, boot ubuntu live and rescue data
[13:19] <tomreyn> then it wa susing a differnet nikcname and isp
[13:20] <pldiem> tomreyn: "misprepresent facts"?
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> pldiem: its also a bit weird you unplug HD2 to not loose data but have no backup of HD1
[13:21] <pldiem> I asked about why drive is not seen in bios boot section
[13:21] <pldiem> it kind of common case
[13:21] <popnfloss> im trying to install ubuntu on my second hard drive and it keeps putting the uefi entry on my windows hard drive
[13:22] <popnfloss> even though ive set it to put the efi partition and the bootloader and everything on the ubuntu drive
[13:22] <popnfloss> how do i make the ubuntu installer leave my other hard drive alone
[13:22] <popnfloss> without having to literally unplug it
[13:22] <OerHeks> pldiem, If your bios shows no drive, it is not connected properly, or dead .. not an ubuntu issue
[13:22] <pldiem> lotuspsychje: I wrote what was the purpose of the second drive, that is why I left it in the computer, but I'm not really using it :D
[13:23] <pldiem> OerHeks: bios shows drive, but not in the boot section
[13:23] <pldiem> it is visible on the first tab
[13:23] <tomreyn> popnfloss: uefi will always need to have the efi system partition on the first drive the firmware recognizes
[13:24] <OerHeks> pldiem, oke, than it is not dead, uefi setting perhaps, or AHCI/raid.. join #debian
[13:24] <tomreyn> popnfloss: but you can have multiple boot codes on the (u)efi system partition (ESP)
[13:24] <pldiem> ok, thanks
[13:25] <popnfloss> so then theres no point in creating an efi partition on the second hard drive then
[13:25] <popnfloss> since its not even going to use it
[13:25] <popnfloss> and i can never boot into linux without having to depend on my windows drive
[13:27] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: ayekat Here is the dmesg output, https://termbin.com/wq25
[13:28] <popnfloss> also i have had separate efi partitions for two drives before and they were both detected and bootable
[13:28] <sazawal_> ayekat: You meant that there is a hardware issue? The cable is fine because it works on the other laptop.
[13:28] <popnfloss> i had to disconnect one of them and install linux on the other to prevent it from tampering with it
[13:28] <tomreyn> popnfloss: i can repeat myself, rephrasing it a little along the way: as long as you are uefi booting, the first hdd detected by the mainboard firmware will need to contain the OS boot code on an ESP. you may be able to make the firmware detect one or the other storage before another. but that's no longer a matter of ubuntu, but specific to your firmware.
[13:29] <ayekat> sazawal_: to be honest, I'm afraid I can't tell anything from that dmesg there
[13:29] <ayekat> sazawal_: but if the kernel doesn't detect the network device at all, I'd assume that it is somehow not connected properly, or just misdetected as something else
[13:29] <ayekat> sazawal_: (e.g. a USB device)
[13:30] <sazawal_> ayekat: I see.
[13:31] <tomreyn> incorrect pci device detection is very rare, and unlikely. update-pciid's can help getting propoer textual output.
[13:31] <popnfloss> well i just want it set up so that they are isolated from one another
[13:31] <tomreyn> * update-pciids
[13:31] <popnfloss> so if one fails the other doesnt fail as well
[13:31] <popnfloss> and i dont want linux messing around with sda when i tell it not to
[13:32] <sazawal_> tomreyn: Was update-pciids for me?
[13:32] <tomreyn> sazawal_: yes, sorry, i missed to indicate this
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: maybe its also worth checking an LTS ubuntu version
[13:32] <tomreyn> sazawal_: a non-outdated kernel image may also help.
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: also try this; tail -f /var/log/syslog and pull in your eth cable, maybe something usefull comes out
[13:33] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: I did, I think you missed my earlier responses. I made an Ubuntu 16.04 live USB, and when I connected the cable, there was no movement or notification in the network icon.
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: is it a fixxed motherboard eth port or a card?
[13:34] <sazawal_> tomreyn: Okay i just tried this and it made a snapshot, not sure what happened.
[13:34] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: yes it is fixed, inbuilt in the laptop's motherboard.
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: check bios for settings yet? maybe also update bios (as its a lenovo)
[13:36] <tomreyn> sazawal_: update-pciids just downloads new information form the internet, to be able to display more sutable output when you run "lspci -nn"
[13:36] <popnfloss> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1396379
[13:36] <popnfloss> oh look its a bug
[13:36] <popnfloss> so i was right then
[13:36] <popnfloss> and its a bug that hasnt been fixed in years
[13:36] <popnfloss> and still isnt fixed in 19.04
[13:36] <popnfloss> looks like i do have to unplug the other drive lol
[13:36] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: Sorry, how do I update BIOS? Ok, I must also look if maybe the eth network is disabled in BIOS.
[13:36] <popnfloss> what a pile of garbage ubuntu is
[13:36] <OerHeks> that is not a valid bug, imho
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | sazawal_
[13:36] <OerHeks> any OS takes the 1st EFI partition on the 1st drive
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: you might also want to check software-centre as lenovo's might have bios firmware update there
[13:37] <popnfloss> fedora never did this to me
[13:38] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: Yes, let me check the software-center first.
[13:38] <OerHeks> sure fedora takes the 1st efi partition too
[13:38] <acgissues> on a Thinkpad i had to copy my Linux .efi to the default bootmgr location because it wouldn't run any other .efi
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: you singleboot or dualboot?
[13:38] <tomreyn> popnfloss: please move your disappreciation of ubuntu elsewhere, this channel is just for support Q&A.
[13:39] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: single boot.
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: allrighty maybe also check if you can access your admin page of modem via eth cable: http://192.168...
[13:41] <tomreyn> if the link is down, this isn't going to succeed either.
[13:42] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: Is there no software-center in lubuntu? I only see Muon Package Manager. When I go to software-sources, there is no tab of Additional Drivers either.
[13:43] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: I am sure the admin page won't work because the laptop is not connecting to the ethernet, even after plugging in the cable.
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: try fwupdate -l
[13:44] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: Okay, fwupdate -l just finished with no output.
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: allright, so thats a no-go from the ubuntu way
[13:45] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: One question, if I do bios update, is it possible that the installed OS fails to boot?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: normally no, but always prudent making backups
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: ssd firmware updates could possible influence data
[13:46] <sazawal_> lotuspsychje: I see
[13:48] <sazawal_> I am going to boot the laptop now, and check the possible network options in BIOS.
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> sazawal_: allright good luck
[13:53] <Bilbo0> Is there a way/program where I can check for duplicate files then secure delete said duplicate files without having to hunt down each and every instance?
[13:57] <frankie_> .
[14:02] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: yes. What have you found and tried so far?
[14:03] <Bilbo0> leftyfb: sflint for the redundant files, srm for secure delete, but I'm at a loss as to how to combine them in a time efficient manner
[14:04] <Bilbo0> i can rename the redundent files "dele" or whatever then search for dele and move them all into a folder and then srm the folder, but that's way too slow
[14:05] <Bilbo0> especially since each has to have its own name to all go in the file
[14:05] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: https://itsfoss.com/find-duplicate-files-linux/  # First result on google when searching for "ubuntu find duplicate files"
[14:06] <Bilbo0> leftyfb: and equally useless, nothing about secure delete on that page
[14:06] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: in that article it suggests fdupes and an option. Combine the output of that with srm for "secure" deletion.
[14:10] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: Did not find anything relevant specific thing in BIOS which is disabled. There is one thing in the BIOS information which says, "MAC address (Internal LAN): Not Applicable". Here are the screen images, https://imgur.com/a/cFWKA50
[14:10] <EriC^> Bilbo0: how man unique duplicates are there?
[14:10] <EriC^> i mean how many files are similar to eachother, as sets, set1 set2 ...?
[14:11] <Bilbo0> leftyfb: You mean  -d ?
[14:11] <Bilbo0> EriC^: Plenty, and not necessarily in sets
[14:12] <EriC^> Bilbo0: oh, cause fdupes lists all not just the 'extras'
[14:12] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: fdupes <options> | xargs <srm> <srm options>
[14:12] <EriC^> aha -f omits the first file
[14:12] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: fdupes -f <options> | xargs <srm> <srm options>
[14:12] <Bilbo0> So <options> = stuff like -d?
[14:13] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: stuff like path. -d will prompt you to delete. You don't want that if you're using srm to delete
[14:13] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: just use fdupes -f to get the list, pipe it to xarg/srm
[14:14] <leftyfb> or a for loop, either way
[14:14] <Bilbo0> leftyfb:  So ignore "<options>"?
[14:14] <Bilbo0> I don't understand what that means
[14:14] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: fdupes needs a path, you'll also want -f if you don't want to delete every duplicate including the original
[14:15] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: why do you need to do this?
[14:15] <EriC^> fdupes is odd, if you do fdupes -f /dir > /file
[14:15] <Bilbo0> leftyfb: Space mostly
[14:15] <EriC^> it suddenly adds /dir/file to the list of duplicates
[14:15] <EriC^> what a weird behavior
[14:15] <Bilbo0> why?
[14:15] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: why do you need to "securely" delete?
[14:16] <Bilbo0> What difference does it make?
[14:17] <Bilbo0> If someone finds out I'm a spy, they'll kill m....*argh!*
[14:18] <EriC^> Bilbo0: use this "fdupes -f /path/to/file | tee /tmp/duplicates"
[14:19] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: because if you are using srm because you think it's cool and gives you some sort of benfit beyond someone physically getting access to your computer to grab your super secret files you apparently have duplicates of, then you're just creating more work for yourself with no benefit.
[14:19] <EriC^> then "xargs -a /tmp/duplicates srm"
[14:19] <leftyfb> EriC^: I already have him the answer
[14:19] <EriC^> i spoon fed him
[14:19]  * leftyfb sigh
[14:20] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: fdupes -f </path/to/duplicates/of/your/government/secrets | xargs srm
[14:20] <EriC^> fdupes has a weird behavior, i think its necessary to point out to use | tee
[14:20] <leftyfb> why?
[14:20] <EriC^> that's fine
[14:21] <EriC^> leftyfb: that wont work somehow
[14:22] <EriC^> actually its working, nevermind
[14:22] <leftyfb> works fine in my testing
[14:22] <EriC^> yeah srm is so slow i thought it hung
[14:22] <leftyfb> yeah, I question the need for srm
[14:23] <leftyfb> especially if this is an SSD. Causing more problems than it's worth
[14:23] <EriC^> hopefully he learns something from it all, either way
[14:23] <EriC^> but yeah i see your point
[14:24] <leftyfb> Hell, just using -dN with fdupes and zero'ing out the rest of the drive after would provide almost as much protection
[14:24] <leftyfb> I should say, just as adequate
[14:24] <leftyfb> Anyone that really needs to do this isn't asking on IRC how to do it
[14:24] <EriC^> xD
[14:25] <Bilbo0> Well I need something a bit more fine grain than delete all but one, or I risk losing a hell of alot of read me files and such. Is there there a good gui duplicate program that can show path of duplicate too (fsflint gui doesnt show path) and if not individually choose srm, choose to move where I want with a click?
[14:26] <leftyfb> :/
[14:26] <leftyfb> actually, no, you should not lose README files
[14:26] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: fdupes finds duplicate files. Not files with just the same name
[14:26] <Bilbo0> ah
[14:26] <EriC^> Bilbo0: it doesnt use the filename, i guess it does a md5 hash on them to see if they're the same
[14:27] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: you should test first of course
[14:27] <Bilbo0> what does -dN do?
[14:27] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: and also have backups of your secret government files
[14:27] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: man fdupes
[14:28] <EriC^> Bilbo0: also if it's a bunch of dirs you need to use fdupes in recursive mode
[14:28] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: there is no point and click solution to doing exactly what you want
[14:28] <Bilbo0> what IS recursive?
[14:28] <leftyfb> wow
[14:28] <EriC^> Bilbo0: it means it goes into the subdirs as well, not just the dir you initially give it
[14:29] <Bilbo0> ah thanks
[14:29] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0596007604/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_M8rHCbRFDE5FR   might I suggest this book. It helped me get started
[14:30] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-linux-basics
[14:30] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
[14:30] <leftyfb> well, maybe not that last one. Stupid Unix :)
[14:30] <Bilbo0> Any options other than fdupe or fslint? Anything that has a gui and shows the path of the redundant files in that gui?
[14:30] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: there is no point and click solution to doing exactly what you want
[14:30] <Bilbo0> Are you randomly recommending from the top of your google searches...
[14:31] <EriC^> Bilbo0: fdupes shows the path
[14:31] <Bilbo0> "Here, buy this book I just heard of a moment ago when I searched "book learn Linux" "
[14:32] <Bilbo0> But fdupes lacks in other ways
[14:32] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: how does it not do what you're looking for?
[14:33] <EriC^> Bilbo0: try "fdupes -f -r /dir | tee /tmp/duplicates" it'll give you the list of files, if you're happy with it then do "xargs -a /tmp/duplicates srm"
[14:33] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: also, that book I bought about 20 years ago and helped me get started when I was just starting out. I've lent it out to a dozen people since who have all helped them get started as well.
[14:34] <EriC^> i think you have your whole evening/morning cut out though, fdupes is kinda slow cause it has to hash them, and srm is very slow too
[14:36] <EriC^> if they are a lot i'd reconsider leftyfb 's suggestion on using srm, just a heads up :)
[14:36] <EriC^> i mean *not using
[14:37] <Bilbo0> EriC^: That command would put the duplicates in /tmp/duplicates ?
[14:37] <EriC^> yeah
[14:37] <leftyfb> EriC^: tee -a?
[14:38] <leftyfb> might not be needed if its just a dumped output at the end
[14:38] <EriC^> yeah it dumps them all at once
[14:39] <Bilbo0> EriC^: Since some of the duplicates are in unlabeled files, I need to know the names of the files first so I keep the files in labeled folders so things don't get terribly disorganized, can I use fdupes and select which ones I move?
[14:39] <EriC^> Bilbo0: you can make a list with all files if you don't use the "-f" option
[14:39] <Bilbo0> with these pictures of fdupe, you can click select the boxes next to files you want to select from the list to asterisk them?
[14:40] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: yes, with -d # you would know that if you read the man page like i told you
[14:40] <EriC^> that way it'll give you them all labels and not labels
[14:41] <EriC^> if they're not so many -d as leftyfb suggested would be nice
[14:41] <EriC^> how many files are we talking?
[14:42] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: fdupes is not a UI. It is a commandline tool that you need to learn how to use
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: hmm maybe the card is dead?
[14:42] <EriC^> Bilbo0: there's fslint, it has a gui see the link leftyfb gave you earlier
[14:42] <EriC^> https://itsfoss.com/find-duplicate-files-linux/
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: does the yellow led of your eth port still work?
[14:43] <leftyfb> fslint wasn't good enough for him
[14:43] <EriC^> maybe you can make the list and save it to a file, then use xargs with srm if you still want srm
[14:43] <Bilbo0> my main issue with it is it doesnt show the paths of the stuff it finds
[14:43] <Bilbo0> with fslint
[14:44] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: then take our suggestions
[14:44] <niko1990> hello everyone
[14:44] <EriC^> the picture seems that it does, it says "name" and directory in the other column
[14:44] <EriC^> Bilbo0: ^
[14:44] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: either way, it is going to take work and effort on your part
[14:44] <EriC^> hi niko1990
[14:46] <Bilbo0> So how come my fslint doesn't have directory or date information? It only has "name". How do I check which version of fslint I have?
[14:48] <EriC^> Bilbo0: type 'apt-cache policy fslint | grep -i installed' please
[14:49] <Bilbo0> 2.44-2
[14:49] <EriC^> mine has the dir and everything
[14:49] <EriC^> 2.44-2
[14:50] <Bilbo0> got any idea why the discrepancy?
[14:50] <Bilbo0> what it could be?
[14:50] <EriC^> do you have a scrollbar at the bottom? maybe it got pushed way to the side?
[14:52] <Bilbo0> ah, well I accidentally restarted the search so I got to wait a bit, maybe that is it though
[14:52] <Bilbo0> there is a scroll bar on the bottom
[14:56] <Bilbo0> EriC^: If I use -r, that's delete, if I use "tee" it changes the delete to move?
[14:56] <EriC^> no -r is recursive, tee will show the list in the terminal and also write it to /tmp/duplicates for later use
[14:56] <EriC^> kinda like a T-connector you'd use in plumbing etc
[14:56] <EriC^> ;)
[14:59] <Bilbo0> EriC^: And by write you mean move, not copy, right?
[15:00] <cluelessperson_> why doesn't kill work to kill processes?
[15:00] <cluelessperson_> they just keep coming back up
[15:00] <leftyfb> cluelessperson_: kill does exactly what it's meant to do
[15:01] <cluelessperson_> unifi is being difficult
[15:01] <cluelessperson_> I want to nuke this user and every process by it
[15:01] <leftyfb> cluelessperson_: what it will not do is kill new processes that start up with the same process name
[15:01] <leftyfb> cluelessperson_: sudo systemctl stop unifi
[15:02] <cluelessperson_> leftyfb: already tried that
[15:02]  * cluelessperson_ tries again
[15:02] <leftyfb> cluelessperson_: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Also, is this ubuntu you're running unifi on or is it a cloud key or raspberry pi?
[15:02] <EriC^> Bilbo0: it just makes a list, it doesnt move/copy any files
[15:02] <cluelessperson_> well it worked now
[15:03] <cluelessperson_> leftyfb: after the recent upgrade, the mongodb has increased in size rapidly
[15:03] <cluelessperson_> suddenly 16GB
[15:03] <cluelessperson_> trying to stop prune and reconfigure
[15:03] <Bilbo0> EriC^: then I dont understand the point of "/tmp/duplicates" part of the command
[15:03] <leftyfb> cluelessperson_: and what is Unifi running on?
[15:04] <cluelessperson_> leftleg_: a debian lxc container
[15:04] <leftyfb> cluelessperson_: then why are you asking for help in #ubuntu?
[15:05] <cluelessperson_> leftyfb: I dunno, I mistakenly came to the wrong channel. :/
[15:13] <temhaa> Hello
[15:13] <temhaa> I am using ubuntu 18.04
[15:14] <temhaa> when I put my device. nothing happened. I mean I can not access the my data(usb)
[15:14] <temhaa> I checked fdisk command and I dont see "/dev/sdb" device
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> temhaa: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your usb and pastebin us the output please
[15:15] <leftyfb> temhaa: unplug the device. Run this in a terminal and watch it as you plug it back in:  dmesg -Tw
[15:15] <EriC^> Bilbo0: the point of /tmp/... is to use that file later to delete using srm
[15:16] <temhaa> you can check my logs
[15:16] <temhaa> http://dpaste.com/25GHNPY
[15:16] <EriC^> Bilbo0: you said the labels and not labels stuff though so you want fslint i guess then write a file to use with srm
[15:16] <EriC^> ill brb
[15:17] <leftyfb> temhaa: what error do you get when you use fdisk or gparted on the drive?
[15:18] <temhaa> leftyfb: this is dmesg output: http://dpaste.com/1ZR8VYT
[15:18] <temhaa> leftyfb: this is fdisk -l output: http://dpaste.com/1D5TK9D
[15:18] <Bilbo0> EriC^: But it doesn't move those files to that directory?
[15:19] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: 2019 Mar 10 10:33:46 <EriC^>	Bilbo0: try "fdupes -f -r /dir | tee /tmp/duplicates" it'll give you the list of files, if you're happy with it then do "xargs -a /tmp/duplicates srm"
[15:20] <temhaa> leftyfb: sdb drive is also missing even after plug-in usb: http://dpaste.com/1SZWSB1
[15:20] <leftyfb> temhaa: anything show in gparted?
[15:21] <leftyfb> temhaa: there's a dropdown in the top-right
[15:21] <temhaa> leftyfb: I also used gparted but it shows only sda  drive
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> temhaa: what brand of usb is this?
[15:22] <temhaa> lotuspsychje: Sandisk
[15:22] <temhaa> lotuspsychje: I am able to see my usb's brand in the log: http://dpaste.com/25GHNPY
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> temhaa: if gparted or testdisk doesnt see it, its probably not good news
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> temhaa: did you try different usb ports? other computers?
[15:24] <temhaa> lotuspsychje: its little imposibble to try it on another computers
[15:24] <temhaa> :(
[15:26] <temhaa> lotuspsychje: leftyfb should I ask also in linux channel?  I need to use my usb.
[15:26] <Bilbo0> leftyfb: Oh that inputs the list of dups to a file in tmp/duplicates?
[15:26] <OerHeks> that usb ID 0781:5591 is a sandisk, usb3 device?
[15:26] <temhaa> OerHeks: yes
[15:29] <Jens1112> could be usb3.1
[15:30] <Jens1112> lol
[15:30] <OerHeks> last resort, maybe there is a bios setting for usb speed, full' or 'high' speed
[15:31] <OerHeks> usb3 should be backwards compatible, AFAIK
[15:31] <OerHeks> ( choose high)
[15:31] <Jens1112> lol
[15:32] <temhaa> OerHeks: so what should I do?
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> temhaa: what i always try on (almost) dead media, is photorec from the package testdisk, if that or gparted doesnt see the media, its probably RIP
[15:33] <OerHeks> temhaa, check yous bios settings, and lotuspsychje +1 testdisk can give an answer, else try it on an other machine
[15:34] <temhaa> lotuspsychje: leftyfb OerHeks thanks for considering me.
[15:36] <eldereko> ive been struggling with an issue for a week, trying to do a clean install of ubuntu 18.10 ontop of mdraid + lvm... always get "disk lvmid/xxx not found" in grub
[15:39] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: No, the led is not glowing. I guess it should glow irrespective of weather the connection is established.
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: once the cable is in, led should work
[15:40] <OerHeks> change cable?
[15:41] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: No, it is not glowing. OerHeks The cable works in other laptops.
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: doublecheck everything from the lenovo website, there are few pointers there, biosupdate, drivers update etc
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: your lenovo still in garantuee period?
[15:41] <fleabeard> hello friends, is ubuntu core supported in this channel? or should I bugger off somewhere else for help? :)
[15:41] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: Could you check this link please, I found it on google, not sure if it is relevant. I am only trying to make it work. This laptop had been a punishment to me.
[15:41] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: Here is the link, https://askubuntu.com/questions/78256/lspci-and-lshw-show-no-network-devices
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: https://support.lenovo.com/be/nl/solutions/ht080144
[15:42] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: No, I bought a used one. Although, it is not so old.
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: think this isnt an ubuntu issue anymore
[15:43] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: I guess you are right.
[15:44] <sazawal> lotuspsychje: Is there any other OS, apart from linux which I can give a try just through a live USB?
[15:45] <leftyfb> !ot | sazawal
[15:45] <ioria> sazawal, if the problem is about a pci dev ,  you can try to set some kernel parameter (e.g.   pci=use_crs,realloc)
[15:46] <fleabeard> does anyone know if ubuntu server will run on a raspberry pi b3? I have ubuntu core installed currently, but I'm not sure if I wanna learn snaps just yet and am more comfortable with apt.
[15:47] <leftyfb> fleabeard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[15:47] <leftyfb> fleabeard: first result on google for "raspberry pi ubuntu server"
[15:47] <sazawal> ioria: Yes thanks. But first I will try to see if the problem persists in some other OS. There is a big chance that the ethernet card is dead.
[15:48] <ioria> sazawal, i see; btw; others parameters might be :  pci=noacpi    acpi=noirq     pci=acpi
[15:50] <fleabeard> thanks, but what's the difference between ARMHF & ARM64? I see they have images available for my particular version of pi.
[15:50] <sazawal> Thanks, I am saving your responses, for later.
[15:58] <fleabeard> guess I'll try ARMHF first, if it doesn't work try the next :P
[16:03] <the_actor> Hi guys, I just built my first LXC container. It seems like the images are JEOS. Anyone know  what the proper way of bringing up the image into a full standard headless Ubuntu Image that is supported method?
[16:06] <OerHeks> the_actor, converting a lxc container to a regular install ?? never heard of that
[16:06] <the_actor> no
[16:06] <the_actor> does not have to be a regular install
[16:07] <the_actor> I am trying to bring it to a base level where it mirrors a default install with default security settings and packages
[16:09] <the_actor> anselm: I am trying to deploy Ubuntu Server on my Antsle virtualization server and I dont like the images provided. I would like to start off with an LXC image that is identical to a fresh Ubuntu server install.
[16:09] <Exterminador> hello guys. does this look okay for you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jg5pVKzQgY/ ?
[16:12] <the_actor> There has to be somone here who has successfully set up ubuntu server in a LXC container . . . mind sharing the knowledge?
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> the_actor: ubuntu server issues, try #ubuntu-server
[16:13] <the_actor> lotuspsychje: thanks
[16:17] <fleabeard> would anyone know how to setup wifi on ubuntu 'classic' ARMHF? The website says ubuntu 'classic' supports the raspberry pi b3's wifi chipset out of the box, but I've no idea how to setup my wifi connection. There is no mention of command usage to initiate such a thing.
[16:19] <OerHeks> easy to find: https://askubuntu.com/questions/775597/how-to-use-onboard-wifi-on-raspberry-pi-3-with-ubuntu-server-16-04
[16:20] <Wonny> Can I ask questions about Ubuntu VM stuff here?
[16:21] <OerHeks> hi Wonny, yes, this is ubuntu support.
[16:21] <Wonny> Awesome thanks
[16:22] <Wonny> I'm using VirtualBox to run Ubuntu 16.04. I need to use sudo, but it is requesting a password for the root/seed. I tried the command 'sudo passwd root/seed' and it doesn't allow me to set a password. It asks for the password in fact.
[16:22] <Wonny> Any work arounds to getting the password for this Ubuntu VM?
[16:23] <OerHeks> normally the 1st user created in ubuntu, has sudo priv.
[16:24] <OerHeks> and there is no password for the root account.
[16:24] <ayekat> Wonny: what is 'the root/seed' there, though?
[16:25] <ayekat> I mean... what is the 'it', and what is the exact message?
[16:25] <Wonny> ayekat, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bftBtwzghJ/ at the beginning there it says seed.
[16:25] <Wonny> I tried to the command on both 'seed' and 'root'
[16:25] <ayekat> Wonny: so 'seed' is your username
[16:26] <ayekat> to change your own password, you can just run `passwd` without sudo
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: why are you needing to run virtualbox as root exactly?
[16:26] <Wonny> lotuspsychje, i'm needing to change files with root privileges
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: what kind of files?
[16:27] <Wonny> lotuspsychje, /etc/rc.local
[16:27] <the_actor> Wonni: You probably have to add your username to SUDOers, you can log in with root and set that I guess
[16:27] <ayekat> Wonny: /etc/rc.local in the Ubuntu inside the VM, or on the host system?
[16:28] <Wonny> ayekat, this is what happens https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NxjNt8gzBK/
[16:28] <Wonny> ayekat, also in the ubuntu inside the VM
[16:28] <Wonny> the_actor, how do I log into root on a VM?
[16:28] <the_actor> Wonni: what does cat /etc/sudoers say?
[16:28] <ayekat> Wonny: so you type your current password wrong, hence the message
[16:28] <ayekat> the_actor: there is no need for that
[16:29] <the_actor> Sorry my eyes I have been calling you Wonni
[16:29] <ayekat> Wonny: in this context, it doesn't matter if Ubuntu is inside a VM or not
[16:29] <OerHeks> sudo nano /etc/rc.local [enter]
[16:29] <fleabeard> OerHeks, in the part that says "wpa-ssid WIRELESSSSID", do I have to wrap my wireless ssid in quotes if it contains spaces in it's ssid? My ssid is NSA Surveillance Van, so i'm thinking it may need wrapped in quotes?
[16:29] <Wonny> OerHeks, it asks for a password when I do that
[16:29] <OerHeks> or vim, gedit, kate or an other editor
[16:30] <OerHeks> fleabeard, never heard a ssid canhave spaces
[16:30] <OerHeks> stupid it is
[16:30] <ayekat> Wonny: first, and most fundamentally (so we don't misunderstand things): are you or are you not running VirtualBox as root? (from your host system)
[16:31] <OerHeks> Wonny, then give that user password, if it is the 1st user created, it had sudo rights
[16:32] <Wonny> ayekat, I am not. I simply put 'virtualbox' on my host
[16:32] <ayekat> Wonny: ok - next: it appears you mistype your password when sudo asks you, hence that error message
[16:33] <the_actor> Dosent SUDO lock up the system after a few faied attempts?
[16:33] <Wonny> ayekat, I'm not mistyping my though. I've done it 3-4 times now
[16:33] <ayekat> the_actor: depends how it's configured
[16:33] <ayekat> the_actor: (or rather, how PAM is configured)
[16:33] <the_actor> wonny: hmmmmm, think you may have locked it up by mistake? I've done that before . . .
[16:34] <ayekat> Wonny: well, at least sudo does not seem to be accepting it :-)
[16:34] <Wonny> OerHeks, I can't give this user password with 'passwd' because it is telling me that I have an Authentication token error
[16:34] <ayekat> or rather passwd, not sudo
[16:34] <OerHeks> don't use passwd ...  it is used to set a password
[16:35] <the_actor> Wonny: keep in mind. You can run passws on a local account but if you want to run it for a diffrent account you will need root.
[16:35] <OerHeks> i gave an example how to edit that file
[16:35] <the_actor> *passwd
[16:35] <Wonny> OerHeks, are you referring to 'sudo nano /etc/rc.local' ?
[16:36] <ayekat> OerHeks: they can't use sudo if they don't know their password
[16:36] <Wonny> I can't use sudo, because it requires me to have the password
[16:36] <ayekat> OerHeks: and they tried to change it with `passwd`, but that asks for their current password, too
[16:37] <OerHeks> ayekat, that would be their problem .. if that attempt failed, there is no new password set
[16:37] <fleabeard> OerHeks, just to be clear here, you've never heard of a wireless ssid having spaces in its name before and believe it is stupid, in a Yoda way of speaking?
[16:37] <the_actor> My suggestions would be. 1 Figure out if you locked the system with incorrect password. 2. Check that you user is listed in the sudoers file.
[16:37] <Wonny> OerHeks, how do I set a password? I used 'passwd' and that requires me to have a password.
[16:37] <the_actor> no
[16:38] <ayekat> the_actor: no need to specify the user in the sudoers file - if they are part of the `sudo` or `adm` group, they should have the sudo rights
[16:38] <OerHeks> fleabeard, ssid with spaces, that is wrong .. i wonder how that router accepts that.
[16:38] <ayekat> (unless they have previously modified sudoers, that is)
[16:38] <ayekat> s/adm/admin/ actually
[16:38] <OerHeks> Wonny, use the password you have set during install?
[16:39] <Wonny> OerHeks, it didn't require me to have a password during the install
[16:39] <OerHeks> Wonny, if it does not work, start over again with a fresh ubuntu vm
[16:39] <OerHeks> yes it does
[16:39] <the_actor> Wonny: if you want to do anything right now you have to have proivilages. So you either have to boot in "single user mode" and get a octothorpe prompt "#" and reset passwords . . .  or you have to log in as root and set things straight.
[16:39] <ayekat> Wonny: sure, it should have asked you during the installation, when you declared the username and machinename and whatnot
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: an ubuntu setup without a username and password? thats new
[16:39] <Wonny> maybe I missed it
[16:39] <Wonny> I'll reinstall
[16:40] <ayekat> ugh
[16:40] <OerHeks> if you used a ready-vm from vmware/vbox, then you know the password too, as you need to login
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: you cant miss it, or else you cant go the to next phase
[16:41] <Exterminador> stupid question of the day: using `top -p <pid>`, which column says the actual ram usage of the proccess? RES or SHR?
[16:43] <fleabeard> would anyone know how to setup wifi on ubuntu 'classic' ARMHF? The website says ubuntu 'classic' supports the raspberry pi b3's wifi chipset out of the box, but I've no idea how to setup my wifi connection. There is no mention of command usage to initiate such a thing. Tried the solutions here>https://askubuntu.com/questions/775597/how-to-use-onboard-wifi-on-raspberry-pi-3-with-ubuntu-server-16-04 but the don't work as I'm on 18.04.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> !arm | fleabeard
[16:45] <fleabeard> thanks lotuspsychje
[16:46] <Wonny> Guys I didn't have to establish a password anywhere. I used a SEEDVM to create the Ubunutu VM
[16:46] <ayekat> Wonny: this thing? http://www.cis.syr.edu/~wedu/seed/lab_env.html
[16:47] <Wonny> ayekat, yeah something like that
[16:47] <anselm> Exterminador: https://askubuntu.com/questions/176001/what-do-virt-res-and-shr-mean-in-the-top-command
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> Wonny: you should mention things like that, when you ask a question
[16:47] <ayekat> Wonny: "something like that" - what instructions did you follow when installing Ubuntu?
[16:48] <Wonny> ayekat, http://www.cis.syr.edu/~wedu/seed/Labs_16.04/Documents/SEEDVM_VirtualBoxManual.pdf
[16:48] <Wonny> These were the instructions
[16:48] <ayekat> yeah, well, then the PDF gives you the usernames and passwords for both the `seed` user and the `root` user
[16:48] <Wonny> ayekat, wth. where?
[16:49] <ayekat> Wonny: page 1, section 3, "Ubuntu user accounts"
[16:49] <anselm> 3 Ubuntu User Accounts
[16:50] <Wonny> I'm not seeing this
[16:50] <Wonny> On the pdf I linked?
[16:50] <Wonny> ayekat, i see it now... Thanks!
[16:51] <ayekat> Wonny: ah wait, no, on the PDF linked from the page I linked above
[16:51] <ayekat> lemme check
[16:51] <Wonny> http://www.cis.syr.edu/~wedu/seed/Documentation/Ubuntu16_04_VM/Ubuntu16_04_VM_Manual.pdf
[16:51] <Wonny> It's on here
[16:51] <Wonny> I'm mildly annoyed. This was not linked in my assignment.
[16:53] <Wonny> ayekat, thank you so much for your assistance
[16:53] <ayekat> *incoherent grumbling against university intro classes to linux systems*
[16:54] <plongshot> I need a way to output all installed packages from the command line (16.04 LTS) but exclude system level packages. I only need the applications that are user level (the program names).
[16:55] <plongshot> I'm seeing information on google about generating a list of all packages but not for what I need
[16:55] <ayekat> ... not sure whether there is a clear distinction between "system level" and "user level" packages
[16:56] <ayekat> as far as the package manager is concerned, they're all just the same: packages
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> plongshot: how about you share us, whats your end goal with this?
[16:56] <plongshot> I guess there's only about a dozen on my launcher. I could write them down on a peice of paper since they are the most important that I use all the time
[16:57] <OerHeks> aptitude search '!~M ~i' will list the packages that were not installed automatically
[16:57] <ayekat> the applications in your launcher are there because the software provides a .desktop file (typically in /usr/share/applications)
[16:57] <OerHeks> zgrep 'Commandline: apt' /var/log/apt/history.log /var/log/apt/history.log.*.gz
[17:00] <plongshot> Doesn't the software center have an option that lists only the user level applications?  Where does it get it's input from? Causse it would be nicer to cat the text into a file than write it all down by hand.
[17:01] <plongshot> Yeah, if you go into software center and click the "installed" button it does real nice about providing a list of user level applications on the system but that's not the same as pushing a button and getting a text file output.
[17:01] <OerHeks> no, there is no option like that, nor in synaptic
[17:03] <ayekat> plongshot: as asked before, what's the goal?
[17:03] <OerHeks> aptitude search '!~M ~i' > text.txt
[17:03] <plongshot> derf-: Do you mean as far as a command line soln goes? Because I was just in software center on my 16.04 machine. I was observing the list. It's real clean and just right. Just not desireable to write so much out by hand.
[17:03] <OerHeks> but these lists are hardly usefull, you need metapackages
[17:06] <plongshot> ayekat: everyoine: I am about to perform a distribution upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04. The update-manager application has presented me with what seems very, very shocking information (dozens of things gonna be discarded). Now I looked at what the upgrade will discard and what is "Not Supported" and it's mostly system level stuff -libs and stuff.  But I have some concernt that I should know what programs I have installed on my machine
[17:06] <plongshot> so that if I lose anything I can identify the problem and re install it.
[17:07] <ayekat> alright, that sounds reasonable
[17:07] <plongshot> derf-: sorry - wrong name
[17:08] <OerHeks> plongshot, did you add PPA's?
[17:08] <plongshot> I have the most important stuff on my launcher and it's small enough data to write by hand but may not be sufficient?
[17:08] <plongshot> OerHeks: I have
[17:09] <plongshot> Some problems in that area too
[17:09] <OerHeks> plongshot, ah, those will give a warning that they will be disabled, sounds normal to me
[17:09] <plongshot> some repo entries error out now
[17:09] <plongshot> ok
[17:09] <plongshot> I'm really worried about getting back a tossed salad of a system after I push the button
[17:10] <plongshot> You should see the stuff that upgrade application is telling me about my packages
[17:10] <OerHeks> check out launchpad if those give versions for 18.04
[17:10] <plongshot> :)
[17:20] <qwebirc35575> Hi, I installed Ubuntu via uefi, and the installer overwrote *every* efi boot files it could find on all my hard drives, even though I formatted only one hard drive and selecting the right hard drive for boot loader installation. Is this a known issue?
[17:22] <OerHeks> UEFI writes to the efi partition on the 1st hdd, it adds, does not delete all instances
[17:26] <qwebirc35575> @OerHeks every boot entry in my uefi's boot manager was called "ubuntu" after the installation. For every hard drive there is.
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc35575: are you singlebooting ubuntu or dualboot?
[17:27] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: can you type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link
[17:28] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: also 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999' and 'sudo ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:29] <qwebirc35575> @lotuspsychje I was installing Ubuntu on an external drive for some tests.
[17:31] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ https://wille.io/parted.txt
[17:33] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ https://wille.io/efibootmgr.txt
[17:34] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ https://wille.io/lslr.txt
[17:34] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: the windows one is still there, but yeah it's used too disks
[17:34] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: let
[17:34] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ Yes, weird, because my uefi doesn't see it !
[17:35] <EriC^> let's see which, try 'sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:36] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ https://wille.io/blkid.txt
[17:36] <EriC^> it also added it in the fat32 in Samsung SSD 960 PRO 512GB
[17:37] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: let's see if the files are in tact.. sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt
[17:37] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: then ls -lR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:38] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ The microsoft files are still there, but the bootx64.efi was overwritten (Windows still boots, but via Ubuntu's bootloader)
[17:38] <EriC^> odd it seems it's actually using Samsung SSD 960 PRO 1TB as its efi right now
[17:39] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: microsoft also uses efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi to boot
[17:39] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ And because I'm paranoid af I was tripple-checking what I did. I really selected the USB device as the boot loader installation device :/
[17:39] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: i installed 18.04.2 lately, i noticed the same thing, it overwrote my efi/Boot/bootx64.efi and added a fwx64.efi or so
[17:40] <EriC^> fwupx64.efi
[17:40] <EriC^> sorry fbx64.efi
[17:40] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: i think it's a bug
[17:41] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ UEFI always boots from <device>/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx86.efi - doesn't matter which OS
[17:41] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: i think they are trying to do that cause some BIOS are so picky about what it loads, and so they are trying to use the default efi location at efi/boot/bootx64.efi, which isnt cool of them
[17:42] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ I think too, do you think this bug is something to report to Ubuntu?
[17:42] <EriC^> yeah report it
[17:43] <EriC^> they should put some option in the installer to choose whether to overwrite default locations used by other os or  not
[17:43] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ Any specific site to report this to? [I think so, too. This "I overwrite everything I want" is toxic Microsoft mentality, imo]
[17:44] <EriC^> hmm i'm not sure, maybe put a bug report to ubiquity
[17:45] <EriC^> i think it might be an ubiquity thing cause grub-install gets installed by it, i think it's using grub-install with the --removable flag
[17:45] <EriC^> !bugs
[17:45] <EriC^> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[17:46] <EriC^> (--removable flag causes grub to put the stuff in efi/boot/bootx64.efi as well)
[17:46] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ thank you for the assistance
[17:46] <EriC^> qwebirc35575: no problem
[17:53] <the_actor> Guys, am I doing something wrong? I am trying to talk with the guys over at #ubuntu-server and I see people joining and leaving, but nobody is talking.
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> the_actor: its sunday, not everyone is awake today
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> the_actor: best way to get your issue solved is re-ask once in a while with all details and patient
[17:56] <the_actor> lotuspsychje: It was like that the last couple of times I connected. Almost nobody is chatting, or im not seeing anything.
[17:56] <sl4ck> hi all. Does anyone knows any tool to download videos from vimeo, like :youtube-dl"?
[17:57] <the_actor> lotuspsychje: Is it just a slowly progressing channel?
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> the_actor: it can be crowdy at certain times, mostly during the week
[18:01] <EriC^> the_actor: try /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:03] <qwebirc35575> @EriC^ Seems like a bug report is always tied to a package. Do you know which package is the ubuntu installer?
[18:03] <ajay> Hi everyone
[18:11] <OerHeks> qwebirc35575, EriC^ said: ubiquity
[18:16] <qwebirc35575> @OerHeks ah right, thanks
[18:21] <pa> hi
[18:21] <pa> silly question
[18:21] <pa> once i download the source packages for a package (.dsc. orig.tar.gz, orig.tar.gz.asc, debian.tar.xz)
[18:21] <pa> how do i build the package ? is there an automatic tool?
[18:22] <cow0w_> 5
[18:26] <the_actor> Ok lets say your startnig with JEOS, is there an apt-get or simmilar sequence that can pull you to a bease 18.4 server?
[18:26] <the_actor> *base 18.4 server
[18:27] <OerHeks> pa, see !build factoid to setup the build environment, as a start
[18:27] <OerHeks> !build
[18:27] <leftyfb> the_actor: no. Install 18.04.
[18:28] <the_actor> I'm starting on 18.04 JEOS LXC image
[18:28] <the_actor> I want to build it to a full system
[18:28] <leftyfb> the_actor: IF you want support here, then install Ubuntu 18.04 from one of the official Ubuntu repositories.
[18:29] <the_actor> Who said I am not?
[18:29] <OerHeks> the menu you see when installing server, is tasksel > sudo tasksel https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[18:29] <leftyfb> "the_actor> I'm starting on 18.04 JEOS LXC image"
[18:29] <the_actor> the entire purpose of building the LXC image from scratch is to stay with official software.
[18:30] <leftyfb> the_actor: then you'll need to seek support elsewhere. We can only support official installs of Ubuntu here.
[18:30] <the_actor> Correct, if you consult Canonical's website there are instructions on how to do this.
[18:31] <the_actor> If it were not supported it would be silly to have official documentation . . .
[18:31] <leftyfb> the_actor: got a link to those instructions?
[18:32] <the_actor> I am not here to mesure dicks
[18:32] <the_actor> anyone here have any experience getting Ubuntu Server 18.4 LTS in LXC
[18:32] <leftyfb> the_actor: ok, good luck. Also, no need for the language/hostility.
[18:32] <leftyfb> the_actor: lxc launch ubuntu:18.04 <name>
[18:33] <qwebirc35575> omg..
[18:33] <leftyfb> ^ that is how to install Ubuntu 18.04 in an lxd container
[18:33] <the_actor> leftyfb: you are correct I apologise I thought you were attacking me, I should have behaved better than that.
[18:33] <OerHeks> lxc-templates
[18:35] <the_actor> I know how to do that, I am trying to pull in the full system as if it were installed by the installer. All official packages, all default security settings . . .
[18:36] <leftyfb> the_actor: lxc images of ubuntu are just a cloud image. They are the "full" ubuntu server image. JEOS hasn't been supported in years and was meant for other hypervisors, not lxc/lxd.
[18:37] <leftyfb> the_actor: to clarify more, lxc images install the exact same packages as ubuntu server on bare metal.
[18:37] <the_actor> leftyfb: Then why is the container image of 18.4 so empty it does not even have sudo installed
[18:38] <leftyfb> the_actor: yes it does
[18:38] <the_actor> I just attached to my LXC container and it drops me to an octothorpe prompt
[18:38] <leftyfb> ok?
[18:39] <the_actor> there is no sudo, nothing many tools are missing
[18:39] <leftyfb> the_actor: Being attached logs you in as root by default
[18:39] <the_actor> why are all the system tools missing?
[18:39] <leftyfb> what system tools?
[18:40] <the_actor> ifconfig is missing
[18:40] <leftyfb> the_actor: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/07/07/if-youre-still-using-ifconfig-youre-living-in-the-past
[18:40] <nvwa> hi
[18:40] <nvwa> i am new one here
[18:40] <the_actor> You mean I need to upgrade myself?
[18:40] <OerHeks> networking and the bridge is set in lxd or during install lxc, not on the guest
[18:41] <leftyfb> the_actor: Ubuntu 18.04 uses netplan.io by default. ifupdown is installable but not installed by default. The is regardless of lxc or bare metal install.
[18:41] <leftyfb> the_actor: Installing ifupdown over netplan is not considered an upgrade. But sure, if you want to install packages that are not installed by default in the latest version of ubuntu, you'll need to install them yourself.
[18:41] <OerHeks> the_actor, i think you want a KVM image of ubuntu server, not lxc
[18:42] <leftyfb> OerHeks: that will make no difference
[18:42] <leftyfb> OerHeks: Again, both the bare metal install and lxc containers are the EXACT same install (minus grub/kernel)
[18:43] <leftyfb> the_actor: your issue is not understanding the default packages in the latest versions of ubuntu. lxc is not the issue here.
[18:43] <the_actor> I would like to use LXC because I have an EdgeLinux server I want to deploy on and LXC seems more efficient. But strangely on the LXC images provided, tools such as ifconfig were there, I just dont like how they mixed up a bunch of unofficial packages . . .
[18:44] <the_actor> If I have to go with KVM I will.
[18:44] <leftyfb> the_actor: I guess you don't understand English then?
[18:45] <leftyfb> the_actor: the lxc images ARE THE EXACT SAME INSTALLS AS BARE METAL
[18:45] <leftyfb> the_actor: what part of this aren't you understanding?
[18:46] <the_actor> leftyfb: I see, so where can I learn how to build up the packages to and in the same config as in a traditional default install?
[18:46] <leftyfb> the_actor: lxc launch ubuntu:18.04 <name>
[18:46] <leftyfb> ^^^^ THAT will give you a "traditional default install" of ubuntu 18.04 server
[18:47] <leftyfb> the_actor: Ubuntu 18.04 DOES NOT install ifupdown(ifconfig) by default. Go install it yourself if you refuse to learn how to manage netplan which is not the default in ALL versions of ubuntu.
[18:48] <OerHeks> https://netplan.io/examples
[18:48] <OerHeks> it is pretty easy
[18:49] <the_actor> Calm down, not everyone has all the information you have in your head . . . No need to get mad at people trying to learn.
[18:50] <leftyfb> the_actor: I explained it all to you several times in multiple wordings
[18:50] <the_actor> So it is impossible to change the IP from inside an LXE conatainer?
[18:50] <leftyfb> the_actor: yes, using netplan
[18:51] <the_actor> ok I will read about netplan
[18:52] <the_actor> leftyfb: I'm sorry your angry that I am not learning fast enough. I am trying.
[18:52] <mnathani> What can I install on Ubuntu 18.10 to enable /etc/network/interfaces?
[18:52]  * leftyfb sigh
[18:53] <leftyfb> mnathani: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031709/ubuntu-18-04-switch-back-to-etc-network-interfaces
[18:53] <leftyfb> mnathani: or you could learn the new way of managing your networking with netplan.io
[18:55] <mnathani> I have two 18.10 boxes, one of them works with both netplan and network/interfaces, the other only netplan
[18:55] <mnathani> not sure what I did differently in the first box
[18:55] <leftyfb> mnathani: you should not be using both to manage networking
[18:55] <BlueVividMonkey> hey there. I'm trying to install Ubuntu alongside an existing Windows 10 partition, but I want to encrypt Ubuntu's partition with LUKS and the installer doesn't let me unless I erase the whole disk.
[18:56] <BlueVividMonkey> I found a guide on askubuntu dot com but it requires me to create a boot partition, and GParted is already showing a boot partition created by Windows...
[18:56] <leftyfb> BlueVividMonkey: you cannot use Windows boot partition so leave it alone.
[18:57] <leftyfb> BlueVividMonkey: also, Windows doesn't have a "boot" partition. You might be referring to the EFI partition.
[18:57] <BlueVividMonkey> leftyfb: right, so I absolutely need to create a 1GB partition that will be used as /boot
[18:57] <BlueVividMonkey> yes, I'm referring to the EFI partition that has the "boot" flag (as shown on GParted)
[18:58] <leftyfb> BlueVividMonkey: "absolutely need", no. In real-world implementations and if you don't hate yourself, yes
[18:58] <BlueVividMonkey> hehe fair enough
[18:58] <mnathani> is netplan sensitive to the right use of spaces and tabs?
[18:59] <leftyfb> mnathani: yes, it's yaml
[18:59] <BlueVividMonkey> leftyfb: all guides in the universe create the boot partition as ext2 or ext3. any reason I can't go for ext4?
[19:00] <leftyfb> BlueVividMonkey: ext2 is pretty dumb. ext3/4 doesn't really matter, though ext4 is the actively developed filesystem these days
[19:01] <hggdh> and ext4 has journaling, which is lacking on ext3
[19:02] <BlueVividMonkey> leftyfb: great, gonna format it as ext4
[19:02] <leftyfb> hggdh: ext3 and 4 both have journaling. ext2 is what lacks journaling. Hence my original comment about ext2
[19:02] <hggdh> leftyfb: heh. Again I am wrong. Thank you for the correcting
[19:03] <dsuch> Hello, having migrated from Ubuntu 14.04 to 18.04 I noticed that Python is no longer compiled with flag --with-fpectl which results in a regression exactly as explained here https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/8415#issuecomment-269103493 - can someone please suggest where I can submit this issue to people building Python packages for Ubuntu? Thanks.
[19:03] <BlueVividMonkey> my colleague tells me that I shouldn't create a swap partition during installation and that I can create a swap file later, what would be the gain on doing that?
[19:03] <baako> hi guys, i am using thinkpad P52s. having some issues with the touchscreen. DOes not worrk as it should espcially when it comes to scrolling down
[19:03] <leftyfb> BlueVividMonkey: if you have over 16G of memory, don't bother with swap
[19:04] <mnathani> how do I know when to use a space / tab? It does not seem to be compatible with my vim config
[19:04] <BlueVividMonkey> I got 16GB on this laptop
[19:04] <leftyfb> mnathani: pick one and stick with it for the entire file. Mixing tabs and spaces doesn't work
[19:04] <leftyfb> BlueVividMonkey: then don't bother with swap
[19:04] <BlueVividMonkey> DiskSpace webpage on help.ubuntu.com suggests the same size as RAM
[19:04] <BlueVividMonkey> guess someone has to update that
[19:05] <thimslugga> swap is mostly personal preference these days
[19:05] <CarlFK> leftyfb: I've pondered the ram/swap thing.  haven't apps grown to expect more ram, thus you may want swap if you are doing "similar things" to 10 years ago?
[19:05] <OerHeks> depends if you want to hybernate/sleep, swap
[19:06] <CarlFK> nature abhors a vacuum.  my browser has 100's of tabs open.  maybe I can do this because I have swap.
[19:07] <thimslugga> you also don't need a partition for swap, you can use a swap file
[19:08] <leftyfb> CarlFK: I have 40 tabs open and I'm only using 5G out of 16 with no swap
[19:08] <leftyfb> btw, if you have 100's of tabs open, you're doing it wrong
[19:21] <technobi> Hello All, how do I permanently change console (tty) font to something else permanently. Changing it in /etc/default/console-setup to FONT='hack-16x32.psfu.gz' doesn't work even I have the font installed in /usr/share/consolefonts. Thanks in advance
[19:21] <leftyfb> technobi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[19:22] <technobi> leftyfb: Thank You I know about that. But my custom font isn't listed there...
[19:22] <leftyfb> technobi: ok, then the custom font isn't installed properly or supported
[19:23] <technobi> leftyfb: Sad story.
[19:23] <technobi> leftyfb: Thank You
[19:26] <plongshot> So I just did a disttribution upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.  Everythign seems to be there that I had before and working so far.  One thing though is the scroll behavior with this laptop, when you drag  your fingers on the keypad, is upside down.  So when I drag down the scroll goes up (bottom to top) and when I drag up the scroll goes down (top to bottom).  This is opposite / upside down from what I'm used to.  Has anyone seen this
[19:26] <plongshot> before?
[19:27] <leftyfb> plongshot: look in the "mouse and touchpad" settings?
[19:28] <plongshot> ok
[19:31] <vimar> Hi
[19:32] <plongshot> leftyfb: Found it.  It's something called "natural scrolling" and it's on by default in the touchpas settings.
[19:32] <plongshot> thanks
[19:33] <EliteGod> natural scrolling isn't very natural then xD
[19:33] <antonio__> any update about the project sputnik?
[19:38] <leftyfb> antonio__: that's a Dell project. https://blog.ubuntu.com/tag/project-sputnik
[19:41] <CarlFK> leftyfb: open tabs are like bookmarks, only I don't have to do "add" - I just don't close them.  so easy :p
[19:41] <BlueVividMonkey> thanks leftyfb for the help. gonna reboot the pc and pray that everything went alright. will come back here to bother you in case it failed. cheers to everyone.
[19:41] <CarlFK> I'll have to admit it has its costs.  for now I don't mind.
[19:55] <the_actor> leftyfb: Whay command extracts the LXC and exports an image?
[19:56] <the_actor> leftyfb: I am doing as you suggested
[19:56] <leftyfb> the_actor: huh?
[19:57] <scubasteve> Hey everyone
[19:57] <the_actor> leftyfB: I just ran the command to create a Ubuntu 18.4 base image, I need an image of it to upload to my server, what is the method to do this?
[19:58] <leftyfb> the_actor: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxd.html.en#lxd-first-container
[19:58] <scubasteve> I just did an 18.04 server install on a 128GB SSD and used LVM (full disk) during the installer
[19:58] <scubasteve> everything is working fine but now I'm noticing that my / drive is only 4GB total in size
[19:58] <scubasteve> what went wrong here? Any way to correct?
[19:58] <leftyfb> scubasteve: you selected something wrong during the install.
[20:00] <scubasteve> leftyfb: Am I able to extend the volume using LVM?
[20:00] <leftyfb> scubasteve: yes, that is what it's for
[20:02] <scubasteve> leftyfb: So I'll need to do that from a live environment I assume. You have any good documentation for that on hand? If not I'm happy to Google
[20:04] <scubasteve> leftyfp: look that that, I already figured it out. Apologies, I'm new to LVM
[20:04] <scubasteve> thank you for your help
[20:08] <plongshot> I do have a single sing on account (because I'm prompted to configure with it in the setup process).  I'm able to log in to my account online at: https://login.ubuntu.com  I'm entering the same creds I use online in the feilds of the setup utility and it tells me "Error connecting to Ubuntu Single Sign-On server. Something went wrong, please try again.".
[20:08] <plongshot> What do I do? I was trying to get set up for livepatch
[20:09] <plongshot> Is there an easier way to do this?
[20:15] <CookieM> I followed the video on https://www.ubuntu.com/livepatch . Worked from the start
[20:25] <plongshot> CookieM: Thx. I'll take a look
[20:28] <tafelcomputer> Hallo evry1, suddenly i sow a file named "userkey.psw" on my ubuntu desktop... is this a file related with googledrive? Thnx 4 answering...
[20:33] <leftyfb> tafelcomputer: that is typically the filename given when trying to reset Windows passwords
[20:34] <mallu> can someone please tell me how to start cron daemon with option -s in ubuntu 12 -16?
 I never tryed 2 reset psw or anything others... I just 2day sow that it stand on my desktop :S
[20:39] <keart> Hola?
[20:39] <leftyfb> !es | keart
[20:41] <keart> Esto es para desarrolladores de linux? o para que es?
[20:42] <leftyfb> !es | keart
[20:43] <szymon_g> hi
[20:46] <Sysifoss> Hello I'm using 18.04, when my computer boots and shuts down a screen with white text and some green or red text on the left hand side flashes by. Its too quick for me to read or get a picture of but is there a way to stop this from happening?
[20:52] <jeremy31> Sysifoss: what does this return from terminal> cat /proc/cmdline
[20:55] <soundwave> Hi all. My question: I cant seem to troubleshoot a proplem with a live mkusb persistent usb in UEFI mode. Indeed, my PC only boots from the ISO partition, and not with the UEFI boot partition.
[20:56] <zhxk> hello, whats tree,new bee, mean in chinese?
[20:57] <tomreyn> zhxk: this does not seem to be an ubuntu support question?
[20:58] <zhxk> which chanel to ask?
[20:58] <tomreyn> one where english <-> chinese translations ar eon topic, i guess. not here.
[20:59] <zhxk> thank you
[21:00] <tomreyn> soundwave: how is this system booting? UEFI or (legacy) BIOS mode? can you show partition table and ESP content?
[21:01] <soundwave> tomreyn: It's boot in UEFI mode, but from the ISO partition, not the UEFI partition with persistence setting.
[21:04] <soundwave> tomreyn: My bios says signature failure when I boot from the UEFI partition with the persistence setting of the grub, thus falling back to the Default setting in the ISO partition
[21:06] <tomreyn> what is an UEFI partition?
[21:07] <soundwave> tomreyn: a boot partition in UEFI mode.
[21:08] <tomreyn> do you mean efi system partition?
[21:08] <soundwave> tomreyn: Yes indeed
[21:10] <tomreyn> so it looks like your system actually does bios booting on the usb then. maybe it is unable to uefi boot off it.
[21:12] <soundwave> tomreyn: it does boot in EFI mode, but from the ISO partition, thus using the default grub settings in the ISO. My PC refuses to boot from the EFI partition with the grub that has persistences settings.
[21:12] <soundwave> tomreyn: I have 2 efi partition, one with grub only, and an other with the ubuntu ISO.
[21:13] <tomreyn> i see. i don't think this is going to work. uefi firmware will always boot off the first one it finds.
[21:14] <leftyfb> soundwave: the point of EFI is you can configure it to boot from multiple choices. Not by creating separate EFI partitions.
[21:16] <soundwave> tomreyn: leftyfb: The Live USB was created with mkusb, and it boot from the EFI partition on my older PC. I think that in order to make a persistent live USB, mkusb must create it's own poot partition
[21:20] <soundwave> tomreyn: leftyfb: thus, I think that the problem lies in the way mkusb makes the EFI partition to enable persistence, since the ISO does not have a grub with persistence settings.
[21:21] <Sysifoss> jeremy31: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.18.0-15-generic root=UUID=ffe7f145-4e6b-44da-a9fb-aa2150d74393 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[21:22] <tomreyn> i'm not too familiar with mkusb. that''s why i asked you to provide the partition tbale and contents of the ESP. this didn't happen, for me, it's dinner time now.
[21:23] <jeremy31> Sysifoss: That should place the plymouth splash screen up during shutdown, hiding that
[21:25] <egon__> hello
[21:25] <egon__> how can i swich of the secureboot by asus viabook E203M
[21:25] <egon__> smone can give an advice?  i want to intsall Ubutu
[21:25] <leftyfb> egon__: consult the documentation/support for your hardware or contact Asus.
[21:26] <leftyfb> egon__: it's typically in your BIOS
[21:26] <soundwave> tomreyn : partition1 - usbdata; partition2 - biosboot; partition3 - efisystem; partition4 - ubuntuiso & efisystem; partition5 - casper-rw;
[21:26] <leftyfb> egon__: or you might have to go through Windows to get to the BIOS-like settings
[21:27] <egon__> in the bios settings i can get found secureboot
[21:30] <bodom> Hi there! How do i stop the kernel from spamming messages into the console?
[21:31] <leftyfb> bodom: https://superuser.com/a/793692
[21:31] <jeremy31> egon__: Ubuntu will install with Secure Boot enabled, you might need Secure Boot disabled if you need Nvidia graphics driver
[21:32] <bodom> leftyfb: i've already tried it, it didn't work
[21:33] <leftyfb> bodom: it does work. Do it correctly this time.
[21:34] <bodom> what's the correct way then?
[21:34] <leftyfb> follow the instructions I posted
[21:35] <bodom> lol
[21:36] <leftyfb> bodom: what's the output of this: sysctl kernel.printk
[21:37] <bodom> leftyfb: it's 2 4 1 7, of cours,e but still getting spam
[21:38] <leftyfb> bodom: what version of ubuntu? What type of hardware is it installed on?
[21:39] <bodom> leftyfb: Ubuntu 18.10, Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU
[21:39] <leftyfb> bodom: what are the messages that are showing?
[21:41] <bodom> leftyfb: i've not stopped it by setting 0 4 1 7… seems a bit drastic too. Any way to just squelch a single message instead of all of them? "do_IRQ: 3.33 No irq handler for vector"
[21:42] <CyberGhost78> anyone here
[21:43] <CyberGhost78> i'm just trying to find a solution to a problem and no one in the ubuntu mate forum seems to know the answer
[21:43] <CyberGhost78> and no one in ubuntu mate channel is answering
[21:43] <leftyfb> bodom: if you read the link I posted, you would see that setting CUR to 2, critical, alert and emergency messages still appear. That should tell you you might want to address whatever they are saying. Regardless, knowing that, it should be pretty easy for you to work out how to set it to no( only emergency) messages show up
[21:44] <Wonny> Can someone help me ping a domain on a virtual machine that is emulating ubuntu? I have a network restriction of NatNetwork and can't seem to figure out how to ping www.google.com or another virtual machine.
[21:46] <bodom> leftyfb: nevermind
[22:11] <Sysifoss> jeremy31: im not sure I know what you mean I should do
[22:13] <jeremy31> Sysifoss: you have the correct setting so that those messages should be hidden, using SSD?
[22:21] <Sysifoss> jeremy31: gotcha, thats weird. I am not, just a standard 1TB harddrive
[22:22] <jeremy31> Sysifoss: If everything works correctly, those messages are safe to ignore
[22:24] <Sysifoss> yeah everything seems to work fine. how odd. thanks for the help
[22:30] <plongshot> Does anyone know if there's a way to relocat the activities button in the upper left corner of 18.04 desktop? It kinda bother's me at the top instead of the bottom like that.
[22:31] <plongshot> Lower right corner would be ideal.  I've been looking in gnome tweak tool for a while now and not finding anything like that.  Not sure where to look in the regular system settings either.
[22:42] <baako> hi guys am running "ssh baako@myserverip" issue is that I have a few ssh keys omn my mahcine how do I specfic which private key to use?
[22:43] <tomreyn> baako: -i
[22:43] <gislaved> I'm unable to see why my preseed finish script doesn't handle a file... not even in the logs... ideas ?
[22:44] <baako> tomreyn: dont get it
[22:44] <baako> whats the example of the full command?
[22:44] <tomreyn> baako: do you know what man pages are?
[22:45] <baako> "ssh baako@myserverip -i"
[22:46] <baako> did do anything tomreyn
[22:47] <tomreyn> !man | baako
[22:47] <tomreyn> there's also an online version of the man pages. this one is available at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/ssh.1.html
[22:47] <tomreyn> look for -i there
[22:49] <baako> tomreyn: thanks
[22:55] <WoC> adding selinux=0 apparmor=0 to the kernel boot params is enough to disable them both, right ?
[22:57] <WoC> or would i have to do something else too ?
[22:59] <tomreyn> according to https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.18/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html this should be correct.
[23:00] <qwebirc82649> hello,im getting this strange error message while trying to install minitube..
[23:00] <qwebirc82649> it says ''apt transaction returned result exit-failed''
[23:01] <OerHeks> qwerbirc where do you get minitube?
[23:02] <qwebirc82649> ubuntu apps
[23:02] <Bashing-om> qwebirc82649: universe repo enabled ?
[23:02] <qwebirc82649> where can i do that?
[23:02] <Bashing-om> !info minitube bionic | qwebirc82649
[23:03] <qwebirc82649> it goes up to like 100% and gives me this message
[23:04] <qwebirc82649> and i be just like ''dear ubuntu 17.04 laptop,i know youre old but please just let me listen  to crystal clear sound while shitting my pants cuz im listening to scp again''
[23:04] <Bashing-om> qwebirc82649: Pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' We see that the package manager is in a consistent state.
[23:04] <Bashing-om> !17.04 | qwebirc82649
[23:05] <OerHeks> i hope that was a typo, 17.04?
[23:05] <qwebirc82649> nope
[23:05] <OerHeks> anyway, that minitube i removed, not working at all the api they use is limited to 100.000 views/month or so
[23:07] <qwebirc82649> my alter ego is used to work with 17.04...changing the os would confuse the hecc out of them
[23:07] <OerHeks> so you don; t have to upgrade to a supported ubuntu version .. or you better do anyway
[23:07] <qwebirc82649> what should i do now?
[23:08] <qwebirc82649> remus and i just want to listen to scps..
[23:09] <qwebirc82649> and if i try to update the os it gives me the same message...
[23:11] <WoC> tomreyn, ty, appreciated
[23:11] <Bashing-om> !upgrade | qwebirc82649
[23:15] <cortexman> I am booting Ubuntu off of an SSD. My laptop has an additional SSD slot and I would like to install Ubuntu onto it as well. However, my laptop does not recognize my thumb drive as bootable. What's a good way to install Ubuntu to the additional mounted SSD while logged into Ubuntu and from the command line?
[23:17] <EliteGod> i don't think you can do that. how did you created the bootable USB stick?
[23:17] <Bashing-om> cortexman: Well, If you install ubuntu onto that 2nd drive with the exact same usernane and password as the present install, it will make a copy of the install... will that work for you ?
[23:17] <EriC^> cortexman: how are you making the bootable usb?
[23:18] <cortexman> @Eric^ the question is not really about that detail
[23:18] <EriC^> cortexman: did you try the runtime boot options menu? did it show the usb there?
[23:18] <cortexman> I am not trying to fix that
[23:18] <EriC^> k.. :D
[23:21] <EriC^> cortexman: let me tell you though, the laptop's that can't boot a usb must be 1990's, or you're going something wrong, but of course 'those details dont matter' and you obviously are here just to entertain us while you fix your own problem
[23:22] <EriC^> this should be entertaining though, somewhat sad, carry on
[23:28] <cortexman> "you are obviously here just to entertain us while you fix your own problem"
[23:28] <cortexman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
[23:31] <EriC^> i guess there's nothing left to do but start quacking guys
[23:33] <auctus> hmm, i had a problem where my dell e7440 laptop ethernet didnt work in 18.04, then, magically it started working (presumably due to an update), and now, it has stopped again
[23:36] <tomreyn> ok
[23:38] <auctus> "00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-LM"
[23:38] <auctus> i guess i will install the intel drivers
[23:38] <justin__> 'Ello
[23:41] <auctus> works now that i have the intel drivers, wonder if support was added to kernel and removed again or something
[23:59] <bosphi> If I use DD to clone my LUKS encrypted hard drive (the one in the laptop so unlocked and running) will the cloned copy be LUKS encrypted and have same password etc?