[00:00] <leftyfb> ok, the AMD APU is the equivalent of the Intel GPU
[00:00] <leftyfb> I stay away from AMD so wasn't aware of this
[00:00] <Zewwy> yeah
[00:00] <leftyfb> though it's still not a proper GPU
[00:02] <leftyfb> either way, it looks like it might work
[00:02] <Zewwy> tough as nails
[00:02] <leftyfb> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/aoh5be/guide_hybrid_graphics_on_linux_nvidia_optimus/
[00:02] <Zewwy> anything can, yyou just have to believe
[00:02] <leftyfb> though I would do a lot of research on that before you just start copy and pasting things
[00:02] <Zewwy> #believe
[00:03] <leftyfb> qwebirc49163: unless you don't care about wiping and starting over if things go horribly wrong
[00:03] <Zewwy> best way to go
[00:04] <qwebirc49163> leftyfb: thanks, I'll give it a read through. I don't mind wiping things, I'm on a pretty fresh install already
[00:05] <julian> j
[00:05] <Guest6249> gracias
[00:05] <Guest6249> que se puede hacer aca
[00:05] <Guest6249> what can i do here_
[00:05] <leftyfb> !es | Guest6249
[00:05] <Zewwy> yo soy el gringo SUCIO
[00:06] <Zewwy> Tu eriz hermosa
[00:07] <Zewwy> I'm probably totally messing that up lol
[00:07] <Guest6249> hello zewwy
[00:07] <Zewwy> hola
[00:07] <Guest6249> how are you
[00:07] <Guest6249> where are you from bro
[00:07] <leftyfb> !ot | Guest6249
[00:07] <leftyfb> Guest6249: This channel is only for Ubuntu support
[00:07] <Zewwy> Sucio Winnipego ^^
[00:08] <leftyfb> Zewwy: please don't
[00:08] <Zewwy> I pointed to your suggewstion
[00:29] <sponge337> hello, whats the best way to recover data from a hdd that has I/O errors? I cant seem to mount it. is there a forensic tool or something?
[00:30] <leftyfb> sponge337: buy a new drive and restore from backup. Once you've done that, if there's data that you haven't backed up yet, take an image of that old drive using dd rescue and try to fsck the partitions in that image and try to mount them to recover your data.
[00:41] <man139142025> Hi all looking for a good video editing tool any ideas
[00:44] <leftyfb> !ot | man139142025
[00:45] <man139142025> leftyfb: i am registered here on freenode will try off topic then.
[01:05] <arooni> how do i make it so that when i want sudo crontab -e it runs with vi
[01:08] <leftyfb> arooni: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[01:08] <tomreyn> arooni: for a system-wide change: sudo update-alternatives --config editor; for a one-time override: EDITOR=$(which vi) crontab -e
[01:12] <abdulhakeem> Is there a meta-package or something to just install ALL php modules in existence
[01:12] <abdulhakeem> instead of having to hunt down which ones I need, I'd rather just have all of them
[01:13] <leftyfb> abdulhakeem: no, because that would be a terrible idea
[01:13] <whislock> That is... yeah. A bad idea.
[01:13] <abdulhakeem> why? I've got the 200MB drive space to spare lol
[01:13] <abdulhakeem> would they conflict with each other or something?
[01:14] <abdulhakeem> just figured it'd be easier that way
[01:14] <leftyfb> abdulhakeem: is this machine you're hosting a site on publicly accessible?
[01:15] <abdulhakeem> technically yea but its just my home server
[01:16] <abdulhakeem> ssh, 80/443, and plex (32400) are forwarded in my router
[01:16] <leftyfb> even worse
[01:17] <abdulhakeem> alrighty well nvm on that idea then
[01:19] <abdulhakeem> is it possible to configure my server to act as a DNS server without also being a domain controller? Basically I just want my PCs and other devices to be able to find my server by it's hostname without having to manually edit the hosts files. So basically just have the DNS server tell my devices where my server is, and for everything else just go to my regular ISP's DNS or 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 or something
[01:19] <abdulhakeem> but I don't need a domain at home (i dont think) too much overkill
[01:19] <leftyfb> abdulhakeem: you might be able to do that on your router
[01:20] <abdulhakeem> I don't think I've seen it but I'll poke around
[01:20] <abdulhakeem> thanks
[02:37] <arch1mede> im not sure where else to ask, does anyone have any useful commands to use for identd troubleshooting? I tried telnet ip auth but not getting a reply
[02:39] <tonyt> arch1mede, port 113 open on router etc?
[02:44] <arch1mede> tonyt: yeah
[02:44] <glguy> arch1mede: Are you trying to test the identd for the host you're IRCing from?
[02:44] <arch1mede> identd is such an old protocal i cant find much in the way of troubleshooting
[02:45] <arch1mede> glguy: yeah
[02:45] <glguy> It looks like it's running
[02:45] <glguy> Can I send you a /msg?
[02:45] <arch1mede> yes
[03:09] <tomeraberbach> Hey everyone, I recently installed Ubuntu 18.10 on my laptop, and I wanted to change the default lock screen background so I edited /etc/alternatives/gdm3.css. However, for some reason there is still a purple flash right after I log in and before my desktop appears. I tried looking for solutions online, but couldn't find any. Any ideas?
[03:12] <Gerowen> The Ubuntu One notes page for syncing Tomboy notes no longer exists does it?  Is there any sort of alternative?  I'm trying to find a place to sync Tomboy on my PC and Tomdroid on my Android phone to.
[03:28] <qwebirc31409> Hello, I'm installing ubuntu for the first time on a lenovo ideapad 710s. I've gone through all of the steps for installing with a usb. Now when it says <restart now>, I don't know when I should unplug the usb. What does the prompt look like?
[03:29] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc31409: When you click "restart now" you will be later prompted to remove the USB (it might refer to it as a disc).
[03:30] <qwebirc31409> Ah, it seems to just restart the usb installation all over again. Should I change the bios boot up order?
[03:30] <qwebirc31409> Right now the usb is at the top.
[03:31] <Eickmeyer> That's why. I'd shut the computer down, then restart it without the USB.
[03:31] <Eickmeyer> Just to be safe.
[03:32] <qwebirc31409> Ok, but the problem is that I erased all the data (Windows 10) and wrote it with Ubuntu. Is it safe to just shut down and eject the usb?
[03:32] <qwebirc31409> Thank you very much for your help!
[03:32] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[03:32] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome.
[03:33] <qwebirc31409> So, just to be sure, when I see the <restart now>, I just press the physical shutdown button for 10 seconds to manually power off. Then eject the usb, and restart. Is this correct?
[03:34] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc31409: No, though it probably won't damage your install.
[03:34] <Eickmeyer> By default, Ubuntu uses a journaling file system that is not prone to the same failures that Windows's file systems are.
[03:36] <qwebirc31409> Eickmeyer: ok, so what would be the best approach? Sorry for the hassle, and thank you very very much.
[03:37] <tonyt> qweb you just did an install of ubuntu and now it says is done and to restart?
[03:38] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc31409: Ignore the restart now, click on the icons in the upper-right-hand corner, click the one that looks like a power button, and click shut down.
[03:38] <qwebirc31409> tonyt: Yes, as the <install ubuntu desktop guide> # step 11.
[03:38] <tonyt> you can just press and hold the power button on your machine to just turn the machine off. it aint going to ruin your new install
[03:39]  * Eickmeyer realizes he got too technical with that "file system" talk.
[03:39] <tonyt> since you booted off a dvd or usb flash drive. that it is what is in your machines ram etc right now. not your new install
[03:39] <qwebirc31409> Eickmeyer: Ok. I will do that thank you for making the first install of ubuntu a pleasant one. Have a great day!
[03:40] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc31409: You too!
[03:40] <qwebirc31409> tonyt: Great, thank you very much for your help. I'll go with restarting with the power button as Eickmeyer suggested. Thank you both. I'll come back to this IRC whenever I need great help. Thanks!
[03:43] <Delphin> anyone know how to update to the latest openvpn on ubuntu 16.04?
[03:47] <auctus> hmm, my ethernet sometimes works, sometimes is "unclaimed" in "lshw" and the adaptor doesnt show up in "ifconfig"
[03:47] <auctus> cant figure out how to make it work consistently
[04:02] <tomeraberbach> \quit
[04:35] <qwebirc54707> hi, is it possible to dd a drive onto a smaller drive, so long as the smaller drive has plenty of capacity to store all of the data from the larger drive?
[04:36] <qwebirc54707> I completed the dd operation, but now my partition table or superblock is corrupted, and I can't figure out how to fix it
[04:36] <qwebirc54707> I dd'd 356GB from a 6TB hdd onto a 2TB ssd
[04:37] <qwebirc54707> so my SSD should have 1.5TB+ free
[04:37] <qwebirc54707> but when I try to mount the ssd, I get this error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so.
[04:38] <qwebirc54707> dmesg | tail produces: [82984.341269] EXT4-fs (sdc1): bad geometry: block count 1465130240 exceeds size of device (488378390 blocks)
[04:39] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc54707: That's correct. dd won't do it. I'd recommend Clonezilla.
[04:41] <qwebirc54707> is it possible to use resize2fs to resize the target partition so it works?
[04:41] <qwebirc54707> or do I have to redo the operation with clonezilla?
[04:41] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc54707: You could, but clonezilla does that pretty much for you.
[04:41] <qwebirc54707> ok
[04:45] <qwebirc54707> wow, I was being really stubborn
[04:45] <qwebirc54707> clonezilla makes it really easy
[04:45] <qwebirc54707> thanks for pushing me in the right direction lol
[04:45] <Eickmeyer> Haha! Good!
[04:45] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome!
[04:47] <gotpunk> exit
[04:50] <dviola> hi
[04:50] <dviola> the amdgpu driver on ubuntu 18.04.2 is still giving me trouble and I get freezes from time to time
[04:50] <dviola> kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring sdma0 timeout, signaled seq=599877, emitted seq=599880
[04:50] <dviola> any ideas?
[04:52] <Eickmeyer> dviola: I have something for you to put in your /etc/default/grub file that helped me with the same issue. Hang on...
[04:54] <Eickmeyer> dviola: Make sure your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= line reads like the one here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JjchvBK5Ps/
[04:55] <dviola> Eickmeyer: thanks, I'll try that
[04:55] <Eickmeyer> Good luck. Don't forget to "sudo update-grub".
[04:56] <dviola> Eickmeyer: are you using the stock kernel?
[04:56] <dviola> or mainline?
[04:56] <Eickmeyer> dviola: lowlatency on 19.04, but it shouldn't matter.
[04:57] <dviola> Eickmeyer: oh
[04:57] <Eickmeyer> Had the same issues you are, and that fixed it.
[04:57] <Eickmeyer> Even when I was running 18.04.
[05:01] <dviola> Eickmeyer: I tried amdgpu.dc=0 before but I can't get the machine to boot with this
[05:01] <dviola> it hangs after "Booting in blind mode"
[05:01] <Eickmeyer> dviola: Then feel free to leave that part out.
[05:01] <Eickmeyer> Or change the 0 to 1.
[05:02] <Eickmeyer> In my case, the key was amdgpu.dpm=0.
[05:02] <Eickmeyer> Turns out, in my case, it doesn't like the amdgpu dynamic power management.
[05:03] <dviola> black screen again
[05:03] <Eickmeyer> Hmmm..
[05:03] <dviola> to be honest, I thought about just returning this hardware and buying another machine
[05:03] <dviola> I tried a lot of things before also
[05:04] <Eickmeyer> dviola: Are you using the amdgpu pro driver from AMD or the included open source driver in the kernel?
[05:04] <dviola> Eickmeyer: the open source ones
[05:05] <Eickmeyer> dviola: Okay. Well, I'm out of ideas. The amdgpu pro driver caused problems for me, whereas the open source one was fine.
[05:05] <dviola> I see
[05:05] <dviola> I'll try 19.04 I think
[05:06] <Eickmeyer> dviola: If it's an older computer, it might need the radeon drivers, in which case, reverse the 0s for 1s in my command line.
[05:06] <dviola> it's a ryzen 5 2400G
[05:06] <Eickmeyer> Ah, then nevermind.
[05:06] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, best of luck on a newer version. I'm out of ideas.
[05:06] <dviola> thanks for your help
[05:06] <dviola> I have to go
[05:22] <KaoGomi> Anyone active currently?
[05:27] <KaoGomi> Anyone active?
[05:27] <KaoGomi> I need a little help. :c
[05:29] <align_waivers> whats up KaoGomi - chances are I can't help but I can try!
[05:30] <KaoGomi> Thx. I had installed the wacom drivers. The kernel module, xorg driver and libwacom. I rebooted to make sure everything was installed, but now my login GUI doesn't start.
[05:31] <KaoGomi> I had to start tty2 and run startx to get my desktop.
[05:31] <KaoGomi> Thus, how I'm speaking to you.
[05:32] <KaoGomi> align_waivers: See above
[05:33] <KaoGomi> Quassel crashed, if you had responded, align_waivers
[05:43] <align_waivers> KaoGomi: sorry thats a little above my head - my suggestions might break further lol
[05:44] <KaoGomi> Alright, I appreciate the offer for help, align_waivers
[05:46] <align_waivers> KaoGomi: trying an alternative to startx is the only thing that comes to mind
[05:48] <align_waivers> good luck
[06:31] <qwebirc87408> help
[06:33] <qwebirc87408> I want to share internet from my Ubuntu 18.04 PC to another 3 pc in a network via hub through ethernet.
[06:37] <qwebirc87408> I want to share internet from my Ubuntu 18.04 PC to another 3 pc in a network via hub through ethernet.
[06:59] <qwebirc33040> Hello! I'm trying to configure <speech-dispatcher> to use <festival> with the voice of <voice_cmu_us_slt_arctic_hts>.
[07:00] <qwebirc33040> After editing the /etc/festival.scm, the new voice works fine. However, the spd-say command's voice is the same original festival voice.
[07:02] <d0tsun7> any MythTV users in here
[07:02] <qwebirc33040> How do I find out where a particular package's config file is? In my case this is speech-dispatcher-festival.
[07:02] <d0tsun7> cd ~/.config
[07:03] <qwebirc33040> d0tsun7: yes, I have moved to the directory
[07:03] <d0tsun7> run an ls -lha in there and check for that program
[07:04] <d0tsun7> also cd into ~/.local/share -- could be there too.
[07:04] <qwebirc33040> d0tsun7: Thank you! Indeed there is a speech-dispatcher directory.
[07:04] <d0tsun7> cool :)
[07:17] <Lope> ubuntu 18.04 my network interface is not getting renamed to my custom name. It gets renamed by the kernel to enp#s# . In /etc/udev/rules.d/70-mainnet-setup-link.rules I have SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DEVTYPE!="bridge", ATTR{address}=="aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff", NAME="primary-eth"
[07:17] <Lope> there is nothing in dmesg about my rule. the only thing in dmesg concerning the network adapter is the kernel renaming it from eth0 to enp#s#
[07:18] <j_pp> :quit
[07:18] <j_pp> lol jeez
[07:21] <Lope> gonna reboot
[07:23] <evg1848> hurensohn
[07:23] <evg1848> huren
[07:23] <evg1848> dddddddddd
[08:11] <ZackTech> Hi, built a web app that needs to save files to the local drive how do I give it access permissions?
[08:11] <tarzeau> hah. is it public? can i see?
[08:12] <tarzeau> only users can say save this file as...
[08:12] <ducasse> !permissions | ZackTech
[08:13] <ZackTech> tarzeau, I am talking about the server end not the client end
[08:14] <tarzeau> ZackTech: i know
[08:14] <tarzeau> and no server application can do what you want unless you have a special web client
[08:14] <tarzeau> i have made a web app too!
[08:15] <tarzeau> here is mine! http://www.aiei.ch/airports/
[08:15] <ZackTech> tarzeau, so how do deal with uploading and storing files?
[08:15] <ducasse> ZackTech: the short answer - make the area you want to save files in accessible to www-data
[08:16] <tarzeau> ZackTech: ah the server saves files? and the client uploads them?
[08:16] <zZ0O0z> badass:  Active electronically scanned array
[08:16] <tarzeau> yeah i also did that: http://shell.aiei.ch/typography/
[08:16] <ZackTech> tarzeau, yes
[08:16] <tarzeau> people upload fonts, and the font gets saved
[08:16] <tarzeau> and processed into an image for the client to download or not
[08:17] <tarzeau> and i get a weird copy of all kinds of files ;)
[08:17] <ZackTech> so what do I need to do to give the web app permissions?
[08:17] <ducasse> ZackTech: i've told you
[08:18] <ZackTech> ducasse, create a folder called www-data and that is it?
[08:19] <ducasse> ZackTech: no, create a folder that has group ownsership by www-data
[08:20] <ducasse> ZackTech: 'mkdir /path/to/foobar ; chgrp www-data /path/to/foobar ; chmod g+rw /path/to/foobar'
[08:20] <ZackTech> duc
[08:21] <ZackTech> ducasse, ok thanks :-)
[08:21] <ducasse> ZackTech: read the link i gave you for further explanation
[08:22] <ZackTech> ducasse, will do
[08:29] <zZ0O0z> tarzeau look
[08:29] <zZ0O0z> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/53f6e300a89a61afc16df494f2bc2dfe/Existence-Light.ttf.png
[08:30] <blackflow> the $1M question: do you make our upload dirs W^X? disallow php or anything else running from them?
[08:31] <blackflow> if yes, congratulations, achievement unlocked.
[08:31] <blackflow> *your
[08:32] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I have a server where I can type `echo "foo" | mail -s "Whatever" root` and it would send an actual EMAIL to root (aliased to another email address). How does it achieve it? Is there any way to configure a "system mail address" which will be used to send all `mail` emails?
[08:32] <blackflow> if not, shut down that public server, and stay in LAN until you learn best security practices for running public facing servers and services.
[08:34] <blackflow> Fire-Dragon-DoL: there is no system mail address. diffeferent subsystems could be sending mail to different system users. aliasing them all to one is your best bet.
[08:35] <zZ0O0z> catch em all
[08:35] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> blackflow: I'm not sure if it's clear, I want to configure the mail which `mail` sends FROM, not the "to". I'm already aliasing all the "targets" (users)
[08:36] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> basically, I want to set my SMTP configuration. Is there some sort of global config for this? Or a default one anyway
[08:37] <blackflow> Fire-Dragon-DoL: check the manpage, surely there's a switch to specify the sender address
[08:37] <zZ0O0z> I once tried using mail-in-a-box but failed
[08:37] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> well specifying the sender address still misses smtp server, password etc. Damn. How does FreeNAS achieves it :(
[08:38] <blackflow> Fire-Dragon-DoL: you're now asking something completely different
[08:38] <blackflow> !xy | Fire-Dragon-DoL
[08:38] <blackflow> so please state the END goal you want to achieve, not the steps you think should be taken.
[08:39] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> asking something different? My questions is still: how can I achieve `mail` to send actual `smtp` mails (and where do I put the SMTP config)
[08:39] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I'm just stating that the FreeNAS server achieves it, I have no idea how it does. As a POSIX compliant system, I assume the same can be achieved on Ubuntu server
[08:39] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> and on my laptop (Ubuntu)
[08:40] <bhuddah> Fire-Dragon-DoL: and why? what is your goal?
[08:40] <blackflow> Fire-Dragon-DoL: your question makes no sense. what is "actual smtp mails"? so again, please state your END goal.
[08:40] <blackflow> also, POSIX has zero to do with MTA configuration
[08:41] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> the posix part was related to the sequence of shell commands to achieve it
[08:41] <blackflow> nah. mail "from" etc, have nothing to do with posix.
[08:42] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I'd like the mail command to send E-MAILs instead of "system mails". So that scripts using `mail` command, will send emails instead (have a few) and system "alerts" will be sent as emails rather than system mails (which I completely forgot they exist, but are actually very relevant)
[08:43] <blackflow> but I'll attempt to use my crystal ball and see the future in which you're explaining your end goal.  `mail` is just a MUA (google for the MUA vs MTA difference). it needs an MTA like Postfix (default on Ubuntu) to actually do the SMTP. alternatively, you can use something like dma (Dragonfly Mail Agent) to support mail sending capabilities with sendmail-compatible interface, via an external MTA (like
[08:43] <blackflow> google, for example), including with SASL authentication support.
[08:43] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> OH, well that's helpful, I need to search for Postfix guides
[08:43] <blackflow> Fire-Dragon-DoL: there is no "e-mails instead of system mails".... both are e-mails.
[08:44] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> oh, I always assumed they were delivered differently
[08:44] <blackflow> the thing you think as "system mails" is a regular email sent to a local user (with implied @localhost in teh address, like root@localhost), and their mbox.
[08:45] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> mh ok interesting
[08:45] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> thanks blackflow, I'll go and start the reading
[08:46] <blackflow> np. there's #postfix here on freenode, should you need more help with it
[08:49] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> yeah definitely. Installing postfix feels like installing a giant sign with written "please hack me"... lol
[08:49] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> (I do have a firewall, still scary)
[08:50] <blackflow> Fire-Dragon-DoL: well, it might feel that, but it's a security savvy application with sane defaults (like, it's NOT an open relay by default, you'd have to go out of your way to turn it into one)
[08:50] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> oh, that's good
[09:07] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> ok good night, I'll finish reading tomorrow!
[09:12] <ZX454> Does anybody know how to make routes added in on Ubuntu 18.04 to stick via netplan? (Newbie here)
[09:14] <blackflow> ZX454: pepperidge farm remembers.  https://netplan.io/examples  ("routes", "routing-policy", ...)
[09:15] <blackflow> ZX454: https://netplan.io/reference#routing
[09:16] <pavlushka> suppose current home is defined within / partition, if I set /home to a different partition, what happens to the previous home folder?
[09:16] <pavlushka> where can I find that?
[09:17] <blackflow> pavlushka: nothing, it remains there. the system will just use the directory node (in the tree, not "inode") as mountpoint for the other partition
[09:18] <blackflow> pavlushka: meaning, if you umount the partition for /home, the old /home directory and its contents will become visible. so yeah, you might wish to clear it out (back it up first!), because it's useless when mounted over.
[09:20] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[09:20] <pavlushka> blackflow: but if I click on the home under the later scenario, it will lead me to that mount point, is there any way to find the old home folder somewhere?
[09:22] <Diezel> pavlushka: you need to move it first. Or if you wish to keep the data in the folder, mount the new partition under /mnt/something copy the data over and then remove or move the old /home folder
[09:23] <pavlushka> ok, I am copying everything from old home to new home and switch the mount, then the old home data will be overwritten by / data randomly to its space requirement?
[09:23] <pavlushka> Diezel: I am doing just that
[09:24] <Hopland> Hey all 🙂 Got a few problems here. I'm running 18.10 on the ASUS ROG Zephyrus M (GM501). One big problem for me is that I think the nvidia dGPU is active, even though the module has not been loaded... how should I check this?
[09:25] <pavlushka> blackflow> pavlushka: nothing, it remains there. the system will just use the directory node (in the tree, not "inode") as mountpoint for the other partition, means those data will be overwritten by / data in course of time, as I understand it
[09:26] <OerHeks> to see what driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[09:27] <Hopland> It says i915
[09:27] <Hopland> It's just weird, as both heat points (the CPU and GPU) are hot..
[09:28] <Hopland> In reality it should just be the CPU, but the heatpipe (which is shared between them) is consistently hot across
[09:28] <blackflow> pavlushka: if you wanna copy your data first, then naturally you must first mount the new home under a _different_ directory, copy over, then remount new /home properly
[09:29] <pavlushka> yes
[09:29] <Hopland> it wasn't like this before I installed the nvidia driver. I had to blacklist nouveau though as it gave me kernel panic everytime it tried to change modes
[09:30] <blackflow> pavlushka: no, the old data won't be overwritten. it will remain on the root partition. mounting another partition to /home is merely using the "position" of /home in the directory tree, to _point_ at the partition.
[09:31] <blackflow> it's not an overlayfs, where you overlay data from one partition to another, that's something quite different.
[09:32] <plutes> been a while since I've used it!, where is the location for localhost files. Ie to test *.php or index.html
[09:33] <blackflow> plutes: maybe somewhere under /var/www? it's totally application/setup specific.
[09:33] <plutes> blackflow, thanks
[09:33] <Hopland> Yeah, I installed bbswitch and apparently despite prime-select having selected i915 I'm still seeing that nvidia PCI is active
[09:34] <plutes> blackflow, spot on thank you
[09:34] <Hopland> aaand the fans are spinning down
[09:34] <Hopland> finally
[09:35] <zZ0O0z> ss
[09:36] <Hopland> Hokay. So next problem! Apparently, in all their wizdom. ASUS decided to make several input devices for one dang keyboard. This means I can't actually use certain fn keys, like brightness and keyboard backlight. I figured this out through evtest and the correct device for these fn shortcuts is /dev/input/event11
[09:36] <Hopland> Now what do I do with that?
[09:38] <Furai> Hey, is there a way to run any application in fullscreen? Force it somehow?
[09:38] <zZ0O0z> yes in KDe it is
[09:38] <Furai> So I heard. So nothing in gnome?
[09:38] <OerHeks> Furai, hit F11
[09:39] <zZ0O0z> Hopland maybe buy gamer keyboard
[09:39] <Hopland> It is a damn gamer keyboard xD
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> Hopland: plz no swearing here
[09:39] <zZ0O0z> Hopland I goofed around with X KBD: as well a little
[09:39] <Hopland> Scuse me ^^;
[09:39] <zZ0O0z> ok dude np
[09:40] <blackflow> Furai: there's "toggle fullscreen mode" shortcut in the Settings -> Keyboard (shortcuts)
[09:40] <blackflow> F11 is application specific
[09:40] <Hopland> I wanted something a bit more... permanent? I mean through dbus or something? what if I suddenly want to switch to wayland?
[09:40] <zZ0O0z> Hopland  I have   FN-WINDOWS for "lock Windows" function but I get no scancode no nothing... wtf is it ?
[09:41] <zZ0O0z> of course i dont use ffing windoze
[09:41] <Hopland> like I said, ASUS in all their wizdom decided to break up the input devices into several.
[09:41] <zZ0O0z> that in itself must not be a bad idea methinks
[09:42] <Hopland> Well maybe not, but it means that i can't adjust brightness and the keyboard backlight
[09:43] <zZ0O0z> I had that too
[09:43] <Furai> OerHeks, blackflow, yeah, wasn't working for me at first, had to bind it. Seems to be working. Is there any commandline equivalent?
[09:43] <zZ0O0z> the laptops fo funny mode switching into that funny CPU mode
[09:43] <zZ0O0z> the laptops do funny mode switching into that funny CPU mode
[09:43] <Hopland> and none of it is actually acpi commands
[09:44] <blackflow> Furai: it's a gnome specific shortcut, I don't think gnome has something like that via command line, unless maybe dbus based, dunno, maybe google knows.
[09:44] <Furai> Hmm, actually seems to work only on some applications.
[09:44] <Furai> Uncle google is bad. Duckduckgo FTW! :P And yeah, I've already search for solutions.
[09:45] <Furai> Were kind of inconclusive, hence I came here to ask ubuntu gurus.
[09:45] <zZ0O0z> the good Ubu ppl all flock to Manjaro these days
[09:46] <blackflow> (discussion for -offtopic, but I'm always amazed how people trust one <megacorp> over another <megacorp> just because this other pinky-sweared they won't do evil :)   )
[09:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[09:46] <zZ0O0z> Hopland did u consider  hacking the kernel input mod ? its only USB ... what can go wrong ...
[09:47] <Hopland> I was hoping to avoid having to patch the kernel ^^;
[09:47] <Hopland> I mean the brightness slider works.. it does the job. Now I just need to maybe setup an udev rule or something to get the system to react to a particular input device rather than the main keyboard one.
[09:47] <zZ0O0z> the sources I found where mostly no good
[09:48] <blackflow> Hopland: maybe something libinput based:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/libinput
[09:48] <asadakuon> hh
[09:48] <Hopland> Wait, isn't libinput used by default?
[09:48] <blackflow> Hopland: and maybe this offers some hints and click-throughs: https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/issues/1217  (it's for the sway WM, but still, same issue)
[09:49] <blackflow> Hopland: 'tis, that's why I mentioned it
[09:50] <zZ0O0z> ok
[09:50] <Hopland> blackflow:
[09:50] <Hopland> "Well, found a victim that has to test for us I guess :)"
[09:50] <Hopland> xD first comment
[09:51] <zZ0O0z> interesting stuff
[09:51] <blackflow> well there's a reason wayland is still not a widespread default ;)
[09:52] <Hopland> This is weird... "libinput list-devices" outputs every input event device... except the one I need o__o
[09:53] <Hopland> wait wait - let me grep just to be sure
[09:53] <Hopland> Nope! event11 is not found in the list. How bizarre.
[09:54] <blackflow> Hopland: well thanks, now you've got this stuck in my head.  here, you suffer as well:  https://youtu.be/C2cMG33mWVY     (sorry, offtopic, donewiththat :) )
[09:56] <OerHeks>  "quiet splash i8042.reset" from https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/9dcp2y/downloading_linux_for_the_asus_zephyrus_gm501/
[09:59] <Hopland> blackflow: ooo baby~
[10:00] <zZ0O0z> (y)
[10:00] <Hopland> OerHeks: oh I'm far passed that point. Wanna see my boot parameters? :P
[10:01] <Hopland> nouveau.modeset=0 tpm_tis.interrupts=0 acpi_osi=Linux i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 idle=nomwait quiet splash
[10:01] <Kwan> Is there a known bug where 12-digit hex colors stopped working for background color between Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04?
[10:01] <OerHeks>  i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 .. that was an option for intel 620, do you still need that?
[10:03] <Hopland> Actually not sure about that one. Might have to take that one away. It was tested on another ASUS machine. But acpi=off made certain things unusable, like the dGPU and touchpad. acpi=copy_dsdt was what I used initially to get touchpad functionality up and running
[10:03] <blackflow> Kwan: 16.04 is Unity, 18.04 is Gnome. probably completely different background color configs?
[10:04] <OerHeks> i would not use acpi=off indeed
[10:04] <zZ0O0z> Unity was written imn Vala. A very cool lang much like the Genie  lang
[10:04] <Hopland> the addition of tpm_tis.interrupts=0 and idle=nomwait negated that necessity, as acpi_osi=Linux did not work by itself
[10:05] <zZ0O0z> actually, that already was was the absolute only kewl thing bout Unity ...
[10:05]  * OerHeks reading https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/c3fa09bc2ecb4153434cd98b6fb06238
[10:05] <Hopland> What sucked the air out of my chest was the fact that brightness controls were not acpi...
[10:06] <OerHeks> there is a brightness part on that page too
[10:07] <Hopland> that might only be a problem for me if I run in GSync mode
[10:07] <Hopland> Now the laptop is set to "optimus" mode, so Intel handles that
[10:07] <Hopland> But without the keyboard shortcut I'm forced to use the touchpad to adjust brightness... I feel so dirty
[10:09] <Hopland> I am starting to consider another desktop though... since things aren't working out of the box with gnome and it's limited design spec prevents things like setting up special key commands
[10:09] <blackflow> well, they say KDE is configurable to hell and back.
[10:10] <ZX454> Thanks for the help earlier blackflow, I got that working now
[10:10] <blackflow> ZX454: you're welcome.
[10:10] <Hopland> it is - I just came from KDE Neon though, and it's built-in asset downloader for themes, icons, etc, was broken and just broke all my themes
[10:10] <Triffid_Hunter> sure is, that's why I use it :)
[10:11] <Hopland> but one thing about Gnome is that it follows linux desktop conventions - so if it doesn't work here, chances are it won't work in say Xfce, lxqt, budgie, etc.. at lesat not out of the box
[10:11] <Hopland> Triffid_Hunter: I had such high hopes for Neon ^^; but it didn't satisfy me as much. Perhaps I should just install Plasma on Ubuntu and see how that goes.
[10:11] <Hopland> Can you rebase Ubuntu to become Kubuntu?
[10:12] <blackflow> yeah
[10:12] <Hopland> cus I seem to remember if you just install the meta packages things will be awkwardly setup, as the default install would be gnome-centric
[10:13] <OerHeks> adding a desktop is no problem, removing one, is interesting
[10:13] <Kon-> @Hopland The "Get new" interface in Plasma just pulls its content from OpenDesktop.org. If there's a problem with the UI, it's usually because there's a server issue on their end
[10:13] <blackflow> Hopland: in theory, should be doable from a non-graphical target, by shuffling (meta)packages.
[10:13] <blackflow> Hopland: you can backup data, try, and if it fails, just reinstall kubuntu from scratch
[10:13] <Hopland> but again... I won't be solving issues like the dGPU running despite me having "turned it off", or that the keyboard backlight control is still a mystery. i'm glad I figured out that the keyboard shortcuts for brightness was just in a seperate input event device, but libinput doesn't even pick up that specific one...
[10:14] <TabMasher> Ubuntu = Unity and meta package toys.  Just install Xfce and it's toys.
[10:14] <blackflow> TabMasher: it's GNOME now, not Unity since 17.10
[10:14] <Hopland> Kon-: that would be fine, if it didn't break the other themes and looks... I mean if an fetch and place just failed it should've just failed
[10:14] <zZ0O0z> lawl /slap TabMasher
[10:14] <Kon-> Hopland: "Switching" to Kubuntu should in theory be as easy as installing kubuntu-full or kubuntu-desktop if you don't want some of the apps
[10:14]  * zZ0O0z slaps TabMasher around a bit with a large trout
[10:15] <TabMasher> Oh, that's right.  I'm old and I frequently live in the past.
[10:15] <OerHeks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[10:15] <zZ0O0z> they say Kubu is no better than Neon
[10:15] <blackflow> TabMasher: "past" is gone too. it's now an archive.org URL.   ;)
[10:15] <Hopland> zZ0O0z: well I went with the latest rather than the lts... isn't kubuntu closer to the lts?
[10:15] <TabMasher> So, just install Unity,
[10:15] <TabMasher> then remove it...
[10:16] <zZ0O0z> Kubu is controlled by the same Corp that censors  opendesktop.org
[10:16] <Hopland> TabMasher: Outstanding move!
[10:16] <Hopland> How about Budgie on Ubuntu?
[10:16] <Hopland> Bubuntu?
[10:17] <popnfloss> i just updated bionic and now the graphical plymouth screen doesnt work
[10:17] <zZ0O0z> I'm not a big Ubu guy, just run a neon amiong other installs flow
[10:17] <Hopland> Ubudgie=
[10:17] <popnfloss> its just falling back to the text one
[10:17] <Hopland> ?
[10:17] <TabMasher> Or install minimal, and then install blackbox and go with that.
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> guys, keep a difference between discussing and support
[10:17] <zZ0O0z> Kubu is controlled by the same Corp. that censors  opendesktop.org : blue systems or sth. very bad
[10:18] <TabMasher> Then... install VirtualBox and install whatever flavor of linux you want.
[10:18] <OerHeks> zZ0O0z, not true, and please keep this channel free for ubuntu support, thanks
[10:19] <TabMasher> ^flavor(s)
[10:19] <popnfloss> so yeah plymouth is messed up
[10:20] <popnfloss> does it print a logfile somewhere
[10:20] <popnfloss> or can i make it do that
[10:21] <zZ0O0z>  
[10:21] <zZ0O0z> ˘˘˘˘˘˘˘˘˘˘˘˘˘
[10:21] <Hopland> well journalctl doesn't yield any specific units in that regard
[10:22] <zZ0O0z> ear
[10:22] <TabMasher> Also, the world is flat.  NOT round.
[10:23] <cim209> TabMasher: and water is not WET
[10:23] <Kon-> zZ0O0z: Kubuntu is not controlled by a corporation
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[10:23] <Hopland> popnfloss: if you add "plymouth:debug" to your grub boot paramaters, you'll get some more info
[10:23] <TabMasher> cim209, Yes!  Finally, someone who gets it.
[10:23] <zZ0O0z> Kubu is owned by Blue systemns Corp. or sth.
[10:23] <zZ0O0z> essentially
[10:23] <Kon-> Incorrect, but sure, off topic
[10:23] <TabMasher> water is MOIST, not wet.
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> ok stop it all
[10:24] <Hopland> popnfloss: the resulting log should be situated in /var/log/plymouth-debug.log
[10:24] <OerHeks> zZ0O0z, stop it, or you have to leave
[10:24] <blackflow> everyone, please stop the noise, this channel is for support. there's #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss, and don't forget to take your meds!
[10:24] <zZ0O0z> gonna leave anyway dude
[10:25] <popnfloss> ill just start my own ubuntu channel
[10:26] <popnfloss> and itll have blackjack and hookers
[10:26] <OerHeks> !ops | popnfloss
[10:26] <zZ0O0z> wtf
[10:27] <Hopland> Now... where were we... libinput is frustrating. On one hand, if you run "list-devices" it won't find event11. But if I do libinput record it seems to invoke evtest, which DOES recognize event11
[10:27] <popnfloss> i saw someone saying they had this bug after the nvidia drivers updated but i have an amd card and im having it too
[10:27] <blackflow> popnfloss: infact, forget the ubuntu channel! ;)
[10:27] <Hopland> none of that helps me as gnome doesn't allow you to manually setup brightness controls
[10:27] <blackflow> OerHeks: now now, no need for ops, for a Bender quote ;)
[10:28] <popnfloss> lol channel emergency
[10:28] <popnfloss> thats a bit extreme
[10:28] <Hopland> #ubuntu-offtopic please
[10:28] <cim209> lol popnfloss !
[10:28] <zZ0O0z> you call libinput via python ?
[10:28] <cim209> has the gnome performance updates finally trickled down to ubuntu yet?
[10:28] <Hopland> zZ0O0z: not sure about that one
[10:29] <blackflow> Hopland: could it be a driver issue? any hints in dmesg?
[10:30] <Hopland> if it is, I don't see anything. Only something about the xHCI host controller not responding.
[10:30] <blackflow> Hopland: and you're 100% certain xev doesn't register anything?
[10:31] <Hopland> ACPI Warning: _SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch - Found [Buffer], ACPI requires [Package] (20180531/nsarguments-66)
[10:31] <Hopland> blackflow: nothing, except media controls - which also requires the fn key
[10:31] <popnfloss> weird, it didnt do it that time
[10:31] <popnfloss> and all i did was enable logging
[10:32] <Hopland> but if I run for instance evtest and select event11 I get input on the other fn keys
[10:32] <Hopland> but libinput (besides "record") doesn't recognise, or at least list, event11
[10:33] <popnfloss> a while back i wanted to disable kms so i could just start grub in my native resolution and have it stay like that and not keep blanking my monitor while booting
[10:33] <popnfloss> but having nomodeset made gdm not start
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> !who | popnfloss
[10:34] <blackflow> Hopland: and it's not perhaps a permission issue on the /dev/input/event11? it's the same as others?
[10:41] <Hopland> blackflow: that might be it
[10:41] <Hopland> I mean I can't run libinput as a regular user anyway.. but still
[10:42] <Hopland> but when running it under sudio ("libinput list-devices |grep event11") I get nothing
[10:42] <blackflow> Hopland: if it's the same as others, then it's not it
[10:42] <Hopland> Pretty much..
[10:43] <Hopland> I'm still confused though... does the omition of event11 in list-devices mean that it isn't registered as a proper  "input"...?
[10:45] <Hopland> xinput says that id11 is the sleep button...
[10:45] <Hopland> does xinput id's correlate with event devices?
[10:49] <Kwan> blackflow: hmm, hadn't considered that, though it seems like the 12-digit hex support is a gdk3 thing, so I'd have though it'd work in regular gnome... https://developer.gnome.org/gdk3/stable/gdk3-RGBA-Colors.html#GdkRGBA
[10:51] <TabMasher> Which filesystems within Ubuntu support file compression?
[10:56] <ducasse> TabMasher: zfs and btrfs, at least
[10:56] <Kwan> and 12-digit works via gconf in ubuntu 8.04 which is gnome :S
[10:58] <TabMasher> ducasse: I'm actually thinking NTFS would be the best choice for archiving, the more I look.
[11:00] <Hopland> event9 is apparently dedicated to screen switching
[11:00] <blackflow> Kwan: are you asking about a programming interface (API) or a user interface option?
[11:00] <Hopland> oh.. event9 is the rest of the keyboard
[11:00] <Kwan> blackflow: via gsettings
[11:01] <Kwan> so API
[11:01] <blackflow> Kwan: that's user interface, not API
[11:01] <blackflow> and the form is #RRGGBB
[11:01] <Hopland> so event9 + event11, encompass all keys (where fn keys are mostly coming from event11), but libinput doesn't recognise event11 as an input and therefor won't register keystrokes from it
[11:01] <blackflow> (AA too at the end methinks)
[11:04] <blackflow> Kwan: so, like gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background primary-color "#RRGGBB"   where RRGGBB are hex components of the color, 00-FF each
[11:04] <Kwan> blackflow: so how come 4-digit-hex per colour used to work?
[11:05] <Kwan> gdk-rgba-parse certainly claims to support 12-digit
[11:06] <blackflow> you're confusing C functions arguments with user interfaces like gsettings. might or might not be 1:1 correlated.
[11:07] <blackflow> infact, in this case, a C struct even, GdkRGBA.
[11:07] <Kwan> ah okay, thanks (I'm a little out of my depth here, just trying to figure out why background color setting by Fx stopped working in 18.04, and whether Fx needs to be fixed or gnome does)
[11:07] <Godoshian> Hello, can i use tigervnc server without installing xfce desktop?
[11:08] <Godoshian> i want to connect my home pc from office
[11:08] <Kwan> Fx has been using the 12-digit hex form since gconf days, "to match gdk_color_to_string()"
[11:08] <Godoshian> the host is ubuntu 18.10 the client office pc is windows 10
[11:09] <blackflow> Kwan: also  https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/desktop-background.html.en
[11:09] <Kwan> which continued to work for whatever reason up until at least 16.04
[11:09] <Godoshian> at the moment i am connected to home with teamviewer
[11:09] <blackflow> Kwan: sorry, what's Fx?
[11:10] <Kwan> Firefox, sorry
[11:10] <Kwan> too used to being in mozilla channels :D
[11:10] <blackflow> Kwan: sounds like an XY problem, what's teh end goal you want to achieve?
[11:11] <guiverc> Godoshian, https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/tigervnc-standalone-server  - I don't see XFCE/Xubuntu as a dependency?  why the XFCE question?
[11:11] <Kwan> blackflow: fix setting the background color via Firefox's "Set Desktop Background" dialog
[11:11] <blackflow> Kwan: so the default background color in pages rendered by Firefox that don't have associated style? which is totally not gnome related
[11:12] <Kwan> at the moment it always ends up black because it's setting it as the 12 digit hex.  My first reaction was "wait, has this always been broken? (or at least since the switch to gsettings)", until I whipped out a VM and found it did work in 16.04
[11:12] <Godoshian> guiverc, all the guides i found with google uses xfce4 de to connect to the ubuntu server
[11:13] <Kwan> blackflow: no, if you right click on an image Firefox has a menu option that enables setting that picture as the desktop background, and controlling the position and primary color at the same time.  It even has a nice preview
[11:13] <guiverc> Godoshian, I don't know 'all the guides' - but I don't see in the packages link I provided... I saw only reference to X (x11) not to XFCE
[11:13] <blackflow> Kwan: so the "color name" input box?
[11:13] <blackflow> That's also in the same format #RRGGBB
[11:14] <blackflow> I think that's actually fully CSS compliant so you can use CSS names as well   (GNOME theming being CSS based)
[11:15] <Kwan> blackflow: right, which then goes through some C++ code: https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/rev/89414a1df52d06cfc35529afb9a5a8542a6e4270/browser/components/shell/nsGNOMEShellService.cpp#531
[11:15] <blackflow> forget that. consider that a CSS setting.
[11:15] <Kwan> and ends up passed to gsettings as #rrrrggggbbbb
[11:15] <blackflow> #RRGGBB  in hex, or color name
[11:15] <Kwan> yeah, think I'm going to have to change the C++ code
[11:15] <Kwan> thanks for all the help!
[11:16] <blackflow> Kwan: you're reading that comment on line 532 totally out of contextt
[11:16] <Kwan> quite probably, I'm not accustomed to C(++)
[11:17] <blackflow> that's a low leve represntation of color value. gsettings, and other user facing inputs take CSS based format. #RRGGBB where each is a hexadecimal number, 00-FF
[11:17] <Kwan> just wondering why the existing code is the way it is and if it should be
[11:18] <blackflow> maybe ask on a gnome dev list or something related. but if you want to use the UI elements to supply the color, you should use the one-byte hexadecimal components, #RRGGBB
[11:19] <blackflow> there is anyway no more than 256 levels per color component (8-bit) even if the internal format is 16 bit or greater, so even if it could take a 32-bit color component input, it'd not make much sense
[11:21] <Kwan> yeah, I guess Firefox should have switched to #rrggbb when it switched to gsettings
[11:22] <Kwan> (maybe even before)
[11:23] <justthedoctor> i have a very basic laptop running windows 10 right now, (so basic its 32gb hdd is a eMMC) when i boot from the livecd my wifi isnt detected, is there a way i can fix this?
[11:25] <isomari> justthedoctor: windows????
[11:26] <guiverc> justthedoctor, i'm not the person to help, but `sudo lshw -C network` will list hardware of class=network & hopefully show the chipset used by your machine, the chipset provides clues as to what is required, or at least clues to look up info on web (your release of Ubuntu may make a difference)
[11:26] <justthedoctor> im trying to boot it with linux ubuntu
[11:26] <justthedoctor> was trying to use the most recent
[11:27] <guiverc> justthedoctor, https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-troubleshooting.html.en
[11:28] <OerHeks> justthedoctor, make sure fastboot is disabled
[11:29] <justthedoctor> ok, thanks
[11:37] <ecstoian> I have two Ubuntu 18.04 machines. On the first I have setup the same timezone as on the second, namely Europe/Bucharest, using 'timedatectl set-timezone'. Problem is that there is a difference of 1 hour between the two. On the first, where the time is correctly shown, 'timedatectl | grep zone' returns "Europe/Bucharest (EET, +0200), but on the second, where the time is incorrectly shown, 'timedatectl |
[11:37] <ecstoian> grep zone' returns "Europe/Bucharest (CET, +0100). Do you have any idea why this anomaly happens on the second machine and what I can do to fix it ?
[11:39] <OerHeks> EET - CET difference?
[11:40] <ecstoian> OerHeks: yes, this is why I wonder why CET is set for Europe/Bucharest and not EET on the second, as it is on the first
[11:42] <zZ0O0z> Hopland   I get :   Kernel:           /dev/input/event11
[11:42] <ecstoian> I want to see EET on both
[11:44] <Tin_man> ecstoian, on the wrong machine, are you dual booting with windows? I know this will cause problems with the time, but not sure about the actual Zone settings.
[11:45] <OerHeks> ecstoian, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[11:45] <ecstoian> Tin_man: both machines are virtual ones running in VirtualBox on a Windows 10 machine.
[11:45] <OerHeks> sudo timedatectl set-timezone EET # probably works too
[11:46] <OerHeks> hmm maybe win10 hijacks time tables
[11:46] <OerHeks> that is, if windows show a different time than ubuntu https://www.howtogeek.com/323390/how-to-fix-windows-and-linux-showing-different-times-when-dual-booting/
[11:47] <Tin_man> wouldn't doubt it.
[11:47] <ecstoian> OerHeks: timedatectl set-timezone EET works. But then changing it back from EET to Europe/Bucharest brings be back to the problem.
[11:49] <ecstoian> OerHeks: Windows doesn't show different time than Ubuntu on the first Ubuntu 18.04 VM. Only on the second Ubuntu 18.04 VM. Both are running on the same Windows 10 physical machine.
[11:49] <blackflow> ecstoian: can you please pastebin the output of `timedatectl status` for both?
[11:49] <blackflow> !pastebin
[11:55] <lavinho> good morning
[11:55] <lavinho> how to change imei tp-link broadband ?
[11:56] <OerHeks> lavinho, not, imei is hard coded.
[11:56] <lavinho> edit firefox but no save
[11:57] <ecstoian> blackflow: First VM: https://pastebin.com/P7e4nxCq ; Second VM: https://pastebin.com/ms64W2Fb
[12:01] <blackflow> ecstoian: and is /etc/timezone on BOTH   "Europe/Bucharest"?
[12:03] <ecstoian> blackflow: yes, on both.
[12:04] <blackflow> ecstoian: well that totally doesn't make sense, unless there's a bug in tzdata. are both systems up to date?
[12:06] <blackflow> ecstoian: ah yes, one more thing. /etc/localtime --  is it on both, a symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Bucharest  ?
[12:07] <whoareU> what's meaning of "nh" on this line "IP4.ROUTE[1]:  dst = 10.5.5.2/32, nh = 0.0.0.0, mt = 101"
[12:08] <ecstoian> blackflow: yes, both are updated to the latest packages. And both have tzdata 2018i-0ubuntu0.18.04, as 'dpkg -i | grep tzdata' shows.
[12:09] <blackflow> ecstoian: and /etc/localtime?
[12:09] <xenonum> Is this ubuntu support channel/
[12:09] <blackflow> whoareU: where's that line from? what's the context
[12:09] <blackflow> xenonum: yup.
[12:10] <whoareU> from command " nmcli device show
[12:13] <ecstoian> blackflow: first one points to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Bucharest, and second one to ../usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Bucharest. I don't know where this difference comes from.
[12:13] <ecstoian> I'm tried removing the symlink for the second, and create it as it is on the first, but to no avail.
[12:13] <OerHeks>  NH: the "default" next-hop for the route.
[12:13] <ecstoian> *I've
[12:14] <blackflow> ecstoian: so now both are symlinks to full paths, and timedatectl still shows CET instead of EET on one machine?
[12:17] <whoareU> OerHeks: what's meaning of 'dst' ,
[12:17] <ayekat> 'destination'
[12:17] <ecstoian> blackflow: yes.
[12:18] <ayekat> whoareU: I interpret it as: "if a packet's destination matches 10.5.5.2/32, send it to 0.0.0.0"
[12:18] <whoareU> oh, i see , thanks
[12:18] <blackflow> ecstoian: perhaps just reboot the VM and it'll fix itself, the one that shows CET for that tz. Bucharest is in EET.
[12:19] <ayekat> whoareU: I might be wrong, though (I don't use networkmanager), so the `ip route` output might tell more
[12:19] <blackflow> ecstoian: no idea what else could be the problme. /etc/localtime is the defacto definition of the machines local time and it should be a symlink to the tz file named in /etc/timezone
[12:19] <blackflow> (technically it needn't be a symlink, but that's the recommended pattern nowadays)
[12:20] <bern_> hi
[12:20] <bern_> anyone here
[12:20] <bern_> can assist me
[12:20] <bern_> 100% newbee
[12:20] <bern_> for linux ubuntu
[12:20] <bern_> please T_T
[12:21] <ecstoian> blackflow: same thing after reboot.
[12:21] <OerHeks> bern_, easy on the enter, thanks
[12:21] <ecstoian> pretty weird
[12:22] <BluesKaj> bern_, just ask your question
[12:22] <bern_> ahm
[12:22] <bern_> how to install
[12:22] <bern_> rosa image writer?
[12:22] <bern_> because i wanted to delete the iso file on my usb
[12:23] <bern_> and use it in the future
[12:23] <blackflow> ecstoian: how about if you forced it? Like   timedatectl set-timezone EET   ;  timedatectl set-timezone Europe/Bucharest     ?
[12:23] <bern_> I just 100 fully installed ubuntu on my sony vaiio
[12:23] <blackflow> !enter | bern_
[12:23] <OerHeks> bern_, don't use enter like that.. again
[12:23] <bern_> I do appologize
[12:25] <OerHeks> why installing rosa stuff, outside our repos, as you can simply delete an USB with disks tool?
[12:25] <bern_> yes
[12:25] <bern_> how to use a disk tool ?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> bern_, try Rufus if you're on windows
[12:27] <bern_> @blueska This is already a 100% full installed desktop ubuntu not a dual boot sorry I don't know rufus
[12:27] <ayekat> uhm... there's plenty of tools on linux (and ubuntu) to erase data on a USB drive - simplest probably being `cat` and `dd`, but also graphical ones (at least for just reformatting)
[12:28] <sorin-mihai> i have a bunch of machines running libvirtd, i connect to libvirt over ssh with virt-manager, everything seems fine, but when i try to use the keyboard in the VM it doesn't work. i tried only in new VMs after booting the classic server install iso, which is the one i actually need. i guess it has something to do with spice being used. but need some hints to work around, if anyone has encountered this kind of issue or read about it somehow
[12:28] <mattfly> hi, im the guy with hibernation problems... again
[12:28] <ayekat> gparted, for instance
[12:28] <mattfly> after i upgraded to ubuntu 18.04.2 hibernation hangs on s2disk saving to disk, but it worked before perfectly. I only have this problem after some random usage time, right after i boot hibernation is working fine,  I tried enabling deeper logging (debug no_console_suspend systemd.log_level=info) but i see nothing else during the hibernation process than "s2disk saving image to disk" and it hangs at a random percentage
[12:28] <whoareU> ／close
[12:28] <blackflow> please note this tiny little detail in the original request:     wanted to delete the ISO file on usb .... and use it in the future.    so essentially,   a dd copy of the USB stick.
[12:28] <mattfly>  it was working perfectly on 18.04.1
[12:29] <OerHeks> blackflow, i read it as formatting that usb
[12:30] <blackflow> well I suppose the OP should be more clear on this, let's ask.
[12:30] <blackflow> bern_: do you want to only DELETE the USB stick, or PRESERVE it as a disk image, for later?
[12:31] <sorin-mihai> delete the iso if the iso is not there, means nothing. the iso can be downloaded again, no need to dd. since it's a desktop install, get some gui to do that. the question leads me to think it would be easier for the OP
[12:31] <sorin-mihai> s/gui/GUI\ tool/
[12:32] <blackflow> sorin-mihai: you're assuming too much about the contents of that USB
[12:33] <blackflow> I'll point again at the follow up "and use it in the future" posted by the OP. they need to clarify what they mean. use the stick in the future for something else, or its current layout, as a disk image.
[12:33] <enigma1945> help
[12:34] <enigma1945> sory
[12:34] <blackflow> !ask | enigma1945
[12:35] <mattfly> is there a way to downgrade to 18.04.1 ?
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: downgrading things is not the ubuntu way
[12:36] <blackflow> and apt/dpkg don't support it. and why would you want to.
[12:36] <sorin-mihai> yeah, but still. since the OP also said 'i just installed', i guess it was about the install iso on the usb. there's no iso actually on that usb to be reused, but the usb can be reused if emptied. just open Files and see if there is any data on that usb.
[12:36] <sorin-mihai> blackflow, ^
[12:36] <ecstoian> blackflow: I get a weird error when trying to run that command from the console - running it from SSH shows no error. The weird error is: Failed to set time zone: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files
[12:36] <blackflow> sorin-mihai: I don't wanna speculate and I'd like the OP to be precise :)
[12:36] <blackflow> ecstoian: ah, you need to sudo that
[12:36] <OerHeks> mattfly, no, you might get your hands on a 18.04.1 iso, but then you should not update.. which is funny, and leaves your system vulnerable
[12:36] <blackflow> stupid polkit barfs that error when it really means "U HAZ NO PERMISSION!"  :)
[12:37] <mattfly> then tell me how to at least find the problem lotuspsychje
[12:37] <ecstoian> blackflow: oh, sorry
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: lets assume different kernels influence your hibernation right?
[12:37] <ecstoian> don't know how I didn't see I was not root
[12:37] <mattfly> is just my desktop and i want to be able to hibernate
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: so, test out with !mainline perhaps?
[12:37] <enigma1945> I have written the help command incorrectly, so I'm sorry
[12:37] <blackflow> ecstoian: enable command prompt colorization in your ~/.bashrc   both for your user and root, change root's color to red
[12:38] <mattfly> how can i see what kernel was i using days ago?
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: maybe do a few kernel boot tests first, see if what we presume is correct
[12:39] <bern_> how can I play android games in ubuntu?
[12:39] <sorin-mihai> mattfly, "last"
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> bern_: virtualbox androidx86
[12:39] <sorin-mihai> mattfly, and check for the 'reboot' lines
[12:39] <bern_> where can I find it?
[12:39] <enigma1945> how are we writing when we answer someone. Is there a special sign?
[12:40] <ecstoian> blackflow: problem still remains. timedatectl still shows CET
[12:40] <CoolerZ> hey
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox | bern_ here
[12:40] <blackflow> ecstoian: try setting some other tz that's also EET, like     timedatectl set-timezone Europe/Helsinki
[12:40] <CoolerZ> is anyone able to get virtual box to work properly?
[12:40] <sorin-mihai> ecstoian, did you use sudo?
[12:40] <OerHeks> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/run-android-apps-games-linux/ >> snap install --classic anbox-installer && anbox-installer
[12:41] <CoolerZ> I am getting an error saying kernel driver not installed
[12:41] <OerHeks> no guarantee all android stuff works
[12:41] <hansh> got an old Lenovo ThinkPad SL300 from 2008, Core 2 Duo P8600 and 2 GB ram running 18.04-LTS... hasn't been started in a while, and now "automatic daily updates" has been using 100% cpu of 1 core for like 30 minutes..
[12:41] <bern_> ahm is that a website or something?
[12:41] <OerHeks> CoolerZ, how did you install vbox?
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> hansh: lubuntu, xubuntu to the rescue
[12:41] <bern_> yeah how to install vbox
[12:41] <ayekat> enigma1945: just write their name (called "tagging" or "highlighting"), and the corresponding user's IRC client will usually notify them accordingly
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> bern_: sudo apt install virtualbox
[12:42] <mattfly> well i think i was on 4.15-45 and now im on 4.15-46
[12:42] <ayekat> enigma1945: <- like this
[12:42] <blackflow> bern_: you're asking questions all over the place. perhaps concentrate on one problem/task at a time.
[12:42] <mattfly> can you guys confirm 46 came with 18.04.2?
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: reboot, boot a previous kernel and check if you can reproduce
[12:42] <naokumin> hello all im just starting a python book and i was wondering a good place within the directory structure of ubuntu to make a folder to store my practice scripts i was thinking /tmp/pythonpractice-does tmp get deleted every reboot
[12:42] <CoolerZ> https://pastebin.com/raw/waFL1bSr
[12:42] <blackflow> naokumin: somewhere in your home
[12:42] <CoolerZ> OerHeks, yeah
[12:43] <naokumin> thanks ill go with home then
[12:43] <bern_> oh ok sorry I guess I need to read first the Documentation for Vbox instead I'm afraid of crashing all my system but if some persistent happen went wrong what should I do?
[12:43] <CoolerZ> I am trying to run a virtual windows 10 guest os
[12:43] <naokumin> lol that could of been annoying
[12:43] <blackflow> naokumin: well that's the only place you have normal access permissions as your user (aside from /tmp but that's not persistent).
[12:43] <OerHeks> CoolerZ, that error gives the solution too
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> bern_: live dangerous, try something on your system
[12:44] <naokumin> what do you mean normal bro
[12:44] <CoolerZ> OerHeks, nope
[12:44] <naokumin> i thought i had to use chmod on my scripts
[12:44] <naokumin> 755
[12:44] <OerHeks> naokumin, a custom folder would be /opt/
[12:44] <CoolerZ> OerHeks, the "solution" produces a lot more errors
[12:45] <naokumin> after i made the files, before i ran them
[12:45] <OerHeks> CoolerZ, again: how did you install vbox?
[12:45] <CoolerZ> I installed from the software store
[12:45] <CoolerZ> ubuntu 18.04 software store
[12:46] <OerHeks> CoolerZ, maybe your machine/cpu has no VT-x for virtual stuff
[12:46] <blackflow> naokumin: your $HOME is where your user can create files without having to invoke root privileges.  and don't call me "bro"
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 | mattfly
[12:46] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: pastebin those errors please
[12:46] <naokumin> CoolerZ, there may be two versions there in the store, in past i had problems with vlc when i used snap instead of another choice
[12:46] <naokumin> on my rig
[12:47] <leftyfb> naokumin: that's not the issue
[12:47] <naokumin> soz
[12:47] <naokumin> okay cuz
[12:47] <naokumin> thanks for the advice
[12:48] <naokumin> sorry to offend i call everyone (but you now) bro
[12:48] <blackflow> naokumin: yeah don't do that. :) you don't know who is what online. don't assume.
[12:49] <CoolerZ> https://pastebin.com/raw/byUsBXzS
[12:49] <CoolerZ> leftyfb, ^
[12:50] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: ok, please read what it says
[12:50] <CoolerZ> leftyfb, dmesg gives a lot of stuff
[12:51] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: dmesg -T|tail -n20
[12:51] <CoolerZ> there are some red message like this [ 4041.696336] wlp3s0: failed to remove key (0, 2c:31:24:c7:38:ed) from hardware (-110)
[12:51] <enigma1945> <- ayekat thanks
[12:51] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: to pastebin
[12:51] <burakcank> Hi, I need help on something. Say that I have a vm on aws and want to install sqlite. I am not really comfortable with sql queries so I want to create my table and schema via a sql manager like phpliteadmin which requires a gui. According to you opinion what would be your preferred method for me, should I learn sql better and use the terminal for t
[12:51] <burakcank> his or can I just install xorg on the server and access it through the cmd ?
[12:51] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: wlp2s0 is you wifi, unrelated
[12:51] <ayekat> enigma1945: np - but no need for the `<-` there ^^
[12:51] <ayekat> enigma1945: I mean - just look at how the others are doing it...
[12:51] <leftyfb> !ot | burakcank
[12:52] <CoolerZ> leftyfb, https://pastebin.com/raw/YFTS7D09
[12:52] <leftyfb> burakcank: your question is offtopic here. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:52] <burakcank> I meant I have an ubuntu vm actually.
[12:52] <enigma1945> ayekat: is it enough to just write the name of the person
[12:52] <ayekat> enigma1945: yes
[12:52] <EverFreenode> znc
[12:52] <EverFreenode> Ciao a tutti :)))
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> !it | EverFreenode
[12:52] <blackflow> burakcank: learn SQL. due to L in SQL, it's rather hard not to.
[12:53] <enigma1945> ayekat: thanks
[12:53] <leftyfb> burakcank: your question is offtopic here. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:53] <CoolerZ> all of that seems wifi related
[12:53] <naokumin> ciao
[12:53] <CoolerZ> I don't know what you are looking for in dmesg's output
[12:54] <burakcank> leftyfb: alright.
[12:54] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: what version of ubuntu?
[12:54] <webby_web> is this shuttleworth guy still a billionaire ?
[12:54] <leftyfb> !ot | webby_web
[12:54] <CoolerZ> 18.04
[12:55] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 linux-headers-generic-hwe-18.04 --reinstall
[12:56] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: then reboot and try to reinstall virtualbox
[13:07] <ecstoian> blackflow: I have found the problem. Reinstalling tzdata solved it. Problem is related to the contents of the file itself: /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Bucharest
[13:08] <blackflow> ecstoian: ah, did want to suggest you ran md5sums on the file, that was the only other unexplored possibility, corrupt file
[13:09] <berg__> test
[13:09] <blackflow> ecstoian: in fact, that's also part of why I asked you tried another EET tz. glad you found it.
[13:09] <ecstoian> tail -1 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Bucharest shows CET-1CEST[etc] on another machine (14.04 this time) where same problem is found
[13:09] <ecstoian> I wonder how it got corrupted, though.
[13:09] <blackflow> ecstoian: is that VM upgraded from 16.04 and/or 14.04  over time?
[13:10] <ecstoian> no, it was cleanly installed
[13:10] <symfony_army1> hi guys: could someone please tell me how i can change a variable value in php.ini e.g. upload_max_filesize via terminal not via editor? thanks
[13:10] <ecstoian> I have compiled an old version of PHP (5.2.17) on it; maybe the 'make install' of PHP overwrote it ?
[13:12] <blackflow> symfony_army1: with `sed` for example
[13:12] <cuma> I don't hear the sounds on the computer
[13:13] <blackflow> ecstoian: quite possibly. you could check for other file corruption with debsums. you definitely do not want to do that ... install random stuff into system directories, outside of a package manager.
[13:13] <blackflow> ecstoian: chroots and containers were invented for that.
[13:13] <symfony_army1> @blackflow: thanks let me search for it
[13:14] <dimst23> symfony_army1: sed is you friend in such cases. Execute: sed -i 's/upload_max_filesize=64M/upload_max_filesize=128M/g' php.ini
[13:15] <cuma> Where should I look for the commands I need to use to solve the sound problem
[13:15] <blackflow> symfony_army1: use the suffix for -i to make a backup, just in case
[13:15] <blackflow> (and make that into a habit with sed)
[13:15] <cuma> Is there just a list of audio related commands
[13:20] <BluesKaj> cuma, start with alsamixer in the terminal , the scroll to the right and find automute and disable if neede , make sure you volume ctrls are over 80%
[13:20] <dimst23> blackflow: You are right about the suffix, i forgot to mention it
[13:25] <cuma> Previously, they tried to help here to solve the sound problem. I want to open a title in the Help section. I need to write known commands about sound. Can you help with this?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> cuma, first read my post above
[13:29] <lavinho> how to remove read only pendrive ?
[13:29] <OerHeks> lavinho, all iso's are read-only
[13:30] <lavinho> deive usb storage
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> lavinho: "umount <path_to_mount>" where <path_to_mount> is likely /media/{user}/{name_of_pendrive}
[13:30] <OerHeks> just format that usb, and you can write as you requested
[13:30] <lavinho> no understand
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> lavinho: what aren't you understanding?
[13:31] <lavinho> command
[13:32] <yasumi2136> hello, i use Dolphin from PPA repositories written in documentation, but in controller config, Dolphin doesn't see x360 controller connected by xpad. i precise pad works with Retroarch for example. in Device, all i can see is "All devices" and "XInput2/0/Virtual Core Pointer"
[13:33] <cuma> BluesKa "dummy output", is it normal?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> cuma no
[13:34] <osiak> j
[13:35] <cuma> the main problem is this "dummy output"
[13:35] <BluesKaj> cuma, did you open alsamixer? it lists your audio chip in the upper left
[13:36] <cuma> Realtek ALC662 rev3
[13:36] <cuma> HDA Intel MID, Realtek ALC662 rev3
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> lavinho: To help us, help you, you will need to respond with more than a few words. Single word responses are very difficult for anyone else to what you are replying or referring to.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> yes,  cuma  now navigate to the right and make sure automute is disabled
[13:37] <jacksonwang> google
[13:39] <leftyfb> !support | jacksonwang
[13:42] <BluesKaj> cuma, navigate wth the arrow keys < > and up/down for volume and enable/disable
[13:46] <EverFreenode> Ciao belli
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> !it | EverFreenode
[13:49] <CoolerZ> leftyfb, hey
[13:49] <CoolerZ> so what was the problem?
[13:50] <jacksonwang> my ping
[13:50] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: you're going to need to provide more context than that
[13:50] <leftyfb> jacksonwang: can we help you with something?
[13:50] <Zed`> I have been unable to get xrdp to run on Ubuntu 18 - Any tips to share? The RDP client connects but then eventually times out before rendering the display.
[13:50] <Zed`> oh and good morning :)
[13:50] <leftyfb> Zed`: there is no such thing as "Ubuntu 18"
[13:51] <jacksonwang> i can not use google?can you help me?
[13:51] <leftyfb> jacksonwang: trolling is offtopic here. Feel free to join #freenode
[13:51] <Zed`> been at google for two days if you guys don't want to help then you don't have to say anything
[13:51] <leftyfb> Zed`: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[13:51] <Zed`> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[13:52] <leftyfb> Zed`: do you need RDP specifically or will VNC be adequate?
[13:52] <Zed`> its for a VIP and he perfers RDP
[13:52] <Zed`> but I was also having trouble with tightvnc
[13:52] <BluesKaj> jacksonwang, is your issue ubuntu related?
[13:52] <leftyfb> Zed`: for VNC, try x11vnc. Then run x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[13:52] <leftyfb> Zed`: sorry, but I don't have any experience with setting up an RDP server on linux.
[13:53] <leftyfb> Zed`: others here might though
[13:53] <Zed`> leftyfb: thanks for the help - appreciated
[13:54] <Zed`> looks like xrdp has not been developed in a couple years and it is broke on 18
[13:54] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xrdp/+bug/1811122 Zed`
[13:54] <leftyfb> Zed`: there is no such thing as "Ubuntu 18"
[13:55] <Zed`> ah what is it called? I am a FreeBSD snob heh
[13:56] <webby_web> its called: "pre-Manjaro distro"
[13:56] <ioria> Zed`,  check the workaround in #3 and #21
[13:56] <Zed`> ioria: thanks reading now - don't think I had seen this
[13:56] <webby_web> Ubu-18 is called: "pre-Manjaro distro"
[13:56] <Zed`> ah
[13:56] <leftyfb> webby_web: trolling is offtopic here. Try #freenode
[13:56] <OerHeks> webby_web,no it is not
[13:57] <leftyfb> Zed`: There is Ubuntu 18.04 and 18.10. It makes a difference when supporting
[13:57] <Zed`> got it
[13:59] <mattfly> is this good: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1819915 ?
[14:00] <leftyfb> mattfly: bugs aren't generally good
[14:00] <mattfly> i reported that, is that well reported i mean :P
[14:01] <leftyfb> mattfly: looks like a bug report to me. I'm sure if more info is needed someone will ask you for it in the bug
[14:07] <AEL-H> Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, I was installing ubuntu 18 LTS but accidentally selected wrong drive.. a few seconds later I cancelled the installation but the partition table is mangled. Originally it was just a drive with NTFS.. Does anyone know how I could approach recovering the files?
[14:07] <leftyfb> AEL-H: unlikely
[14:08] <AEL-H> why is it unlikely
[14:09] <leftyfb> because you repartitioned, reformatted and started writing files to the drive
[14:10] <AEL-H> it was a 1TB drive and i cancelled the installation very quickly
[14:10] <ryuo> AEL-H: doesn't matter. the partition table is located near the start of the drive. within the first 128K or so.
[14:11] <leftyfb> not to mention reformatting and writing files
[14:11] <AEL-H> i tried using testdisk, it recognised there used to be an ntfs partition but said it could not be recovered
[14:11] <ryuo> AEL-H: If it was GPT, you might be able to salvage the backup table.
[14:11] <bern_> why my cmos utility is different is anyway to update it ?
[14:11] <lordcirth> bern_, what cmos utility?
[14:11] <AEL-H> ah it was just a storage drive, gpt is for booting right?
[14:11] <leftyfb> bern_: cmos utility?
[14:11] <lordcirth> AEL-H, gpt is just the newer way of formatting drives.
[14:11] <leftyfb> gpt is a type of partition table
[14:11] <lordcirth> ^
[14:12] <AEL-H> how would one start salvaging the backup table?
[14:12] <ryuo> AEL-H: ... it's likely not a possibility.
[14:12] <ryuo> AEL-H: it would have required the drive to have it in the first place. most drives < 2 TB use MS DOS labels which have no backup.
[14:13] <AEL-H> i had some success using a tool called photorec
[14:13] <AEL-H> it seemed to assume files were on an ntfs filesystem and  just recover whatever it could find
[14:14] <leftyfb> photorec = testdisk
[14:14] <AEL-H> i checked some of the files, they were perfectly fine
[14:14] <AEL-H> hmm.. well in that case do you think i could use testdisk to just fix the partition table
[14:15] <ryuo> AEL-H: unlikely... you'd need to recreate the exact sector map as the old one...
[14:15] <ramsub07> Hi, I installed spotify from snap on Ubuntu 16.04, but I am not able to see spotify amongst "search your computer" tab. But I am able to open it from terminal, by typing "spotify"
[14:15] <leftyfb> AEL-H: there's no fixing the partition table. You can try to rebuild it using the exact sector count you had before ... if you have that information
[14:15] <ryuo> though, if it was a windows data drive of one partition, it was likely partitioned to start at sector 2048 and the rest of the drive given to that partition.
[14:16] <AEL-H> that could work
[14:16] <AEL-H> i think it was formatted ntfs on windows
[14:16] <ryuo> how it was formatted is irrelevant here. this is just about what portion of the disk was allocated to it.
[14:16] <lordcirth> Yeah, so you could try creating the partition exactly where it was before, and then you might be able to get something out of the filesystem?
[14:17] <ryuo> possibly. it depends, but "only a few seconds" is long enough to do some serious damage.
[14:17] <lordcirth> ##windows might be of more help for NTFS
[14:17] <AEL-H> so i have cloned the drive using ddrescue
[14:17] <AEL-H> no bad blocks or anything and i have a copy
[14:18] <lordcirth> That's good. You can loop mount the image and try adding the partition
[14:18] <ryuo> badblocks is only about physically bad sectors. this is a case of accidental data erasure.
[14:19] <AEL-H> is there any any additional risk of me testing different partitions?
[14:19] <AEL-H> (that it could have been)
[14:20] <lordcirth> AEL-H, not if you still have a good copy around
[14:25] <mustmodify> I like the way grep highlights things. But sometimes I don't want to filter, I just want to highlight. Is there a tool I can pipe to and JUST get a regex highlighted?
[14:26] <mustmodify> cat file | highlight "some[^w]"
[14:26] <blackflow> mustmodify: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/981601/colorized-grep-viewing-the-entire-file-with-highlighted-matches
[14:26] <mustmodify> Hunh.
[14:27] <mustmodify> Thanks. I think it would be more unix-y to have a separate command, but that's very useful, thanks.
[14:28] <blackflow> mustmodify: it is very unixy. grep is one tool that does its job well.
[14:28] <lordcirth> mustmodify, the 'less' command there seems good too.
[14:28] <mustmodify> I totally dig grep.
[14:28] <mustmodify> dig. ha ha.
[14:28] <lordcirth> mustmodify, you could just make an alias or bash function to shorten it
[14:28] <mustmodify> I love grep.
[14:28] <mustmodify> I was thinking that.
[14:28] <mustmodify> lordcirth: I was thinking that.
[14:29] <mustmodify> I like sed, but I start to think, "Maybe one tool shouldn't do it all... interface is so large.
[14:30] <AEL-H> ryuo, leftyfb, lordcirth : The output from testdisk.log is here --  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pHN3vRkSTV/
[14:30] <blackflow> mustmodify: alternatively you can open the file in vim and search a phrase. vim by default highlights all the searches. might be possible to do taht even with vim as pager
[14:31] <AEL-H> The information where it says " HPFS - NTFS and then some numbers
[14:31] <AEL-H> could I use this? or is that bogus
[14:31] <mustmodify> Right. Well, `cat` isn't likely the source...
[14:31] <mustmodify> anyway, good stuff. Thanks.
[14:33] <bern_> A window pop up on my newly installed ubuntu software update and there is a list of downloadable from the internet and the option is revert and close what do i need to do with this stuff?
[14:33] <Ljod> hi im using ubuntu-18.04.2-server-amd64.iso but im not getting any options to start advanced installation according to  https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-from-cd.html.en , and i dont even get to choose language as in step 3. the installation just continues after i select "dont setup network right now". what gives?
[14:34] <ph88> just for curiousity .. what happens when you uninstall all packages of the system .. what are you left with ?
[14:35] <OerHeks> ph88, let us know?
[14:35] <blackflow> ph88: in theory nothing. in practice you can't get there.
[14:35] <ph88> i wont try :P
[14:35] <leftyfb> ph88: a broken system. Beyond that, have fun
[14:35] <ph88> maybe in a VM some time
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> Ljod: join #ubuntu-server please
[14:35] <Ljod> ok
[14:37] <bern_> A window pop up on my newly installed ubuntu software update and there is a list of downloadable from the internet and the option is revert and close what do i need to do with this stuff?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> bern_: can you make a picture of it and uplaod to imgur.com?
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | bern_: If you can, please provide us with a screenshot
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> !screenshots
[14:40] <OerHeks> bern_, just hit update
[14:41] <ph88> if two repo's have the same package how does apt decide which repo to take ?
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: That wasn't one of the options that bern_ said was on screen
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: They don't have the same package
[14:42] <OerHeks> pragmaticenigma, he enabled universe or something, i guess, reload lists
[14:42] <tgm4883> ph88: Unless you've set priority on the repos, the higher version one gets installed
[14:43] <ph88> oki
[15:00] <goksu> Hi everyone. I have an issue with mounting a dd file from an external drive. whatever I do I cannot get it to mount. says "could not determine real path of the device: no such file or directory". but the path and folder is there.
[15:00] <goksu> Anyone happened to experience this issue before?
[15:01] <leftyfb> goksu: if the image of a drive or a partition?
[15:02] <goksu> leftyfb: it is an image of a drive.
[15:02] <leftyfb> goksu: then how do you expect it to know which partition to mount?
[15:03] <leftyfb> goksu: you can use losetup to create the loop devices to mount the individual partitions
[15:04] <tomreyn> kpartx if it contains a partition table
[15:04] <rypervenche> goksu: Try: losetup -P /path/to/image.
[15:04] <goksu> letfyfb: there lies the problem. losetup gives me no such device or directory.
[15:05] <rypervenche> goksu: Use tab autocomplete to verify that you are not messing up the path.
[15:05] <rypervenche> goksu: From there, you can then see /dev/loop0p1 or something of that nature in /dev
[15:05] <leftyfb> goksu: what does this tell you:  file <driveimage>
[15:06] <goksu> sudo file drive.dd tells me drive.dd: data
[15:06] <leftyfb> you shouldn't need sudo
[15:07] <goksu> I need to read all you have written.
[15:07] <goksu> yep without sudo gives the same result.
[15:09] <tomreyn> goksu: which ubuntu version and kernel version are you running there?
[15:09] <vlt> You can use "offset" with mount.
[15:10] <goksu> the latest ubuntu version. updated just a moment ago.
[15:10] <goksu> for offset
[15:10] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline
[15:11] <assertionerror> Hi everyone. I'm using Ubuntu 18.10 and my installation of gnome-software package is currently misbehaving. When I try to search anything it just searches forever never showing any hits. If I select update a similar behavior: it just shows that little circle and nothing else. Did anyone else experience a similar behavior?
[15:12] <goksu> ubuntu 18.10 linux version 4.18.0-16-generic
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: is your system up to date?
[15:13] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: Yes. And it has been misbehaving for a long time. It could be an interaction with flatpak or snap, but I'm unsure how to troubleshoot it.
[15:14] <rypervenche> goksu: How did you create said image file?
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: could you launch gnome software from a terminal, maybe we can see usefull errors
[15:15] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: The main screen shows up. But if I try clicking on any app it just shows that endless search circle again.
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: maybe also a: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[15:15] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: Running it from the terminal shows no error messages. Let me try the syslog trick.
[15:15] <goksu> rypervenche: I used this command. sudo ddrescue -d -A -i3352 -O -n -r 0 /dev/sdc drive.dd mapfile.log
[15:16] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: Nothing is printed on syslog either.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: try to do some stuff in gnome-software now
[15:17] <mmkumr_> After restarting my pc network-manager works fine but when I am disconnecting the device connected to my wifi. Network-manager show `devices not ready`. For details here the network-manager log:- 'https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q6zmKcXkDH/'. Every time I have to restart my network-manager. I am using Ubuntu 18.04.2 with i3 window manager.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: categorys work?
[15:18] <tomreyn> goksu: and -i3352 pointed to what?
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: your gnome-software version is 3.30.2 ?
[15:19] <goksu> tomreyn: oh I initially did not use -i3352. when restarting the command, I used it to start it where it left off.
[15:19] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje:  pressing categories loads up a screen with placeholders, but nothing in it (each tile with "..." in it).  Pressing any function displays nothing on syslog.
[15:19] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: Yes, it is!
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: close software & re-open while your tail runs please?
[15:23] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: I've been doing that.  Here's the log: https://pastebin.com/iqZXjT0x The only info non-shell related is: Mar 13 11:18:49 buck code.desktop[2287]: #033[90m[main 2019-03-13T15:18:49.966Z]#033[0m update#setState idle
[15:23] <tomreyn> goksu: was the partition table extracted fineby dd_rescue, though? if the source device is still readable you could try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/270232/telling-ddrescue-to-verify-read-data
[15:25] <goksu> yes always used ddrescue.
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: did this work faster before?
[15:26] <goksu> what IRC client are you using? can I have the last question again? accidentally closed the window. :(
[15:26] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: at some point in time gnome-software worked. Now it just doesn't --- neither fast nor slow. Is that what you're asking?
[15:26] <ioria> assertionerror, close gnome-software; killall gnome-software ; sudo apt update  and reopen
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: yes, can you recall wich time things went wrong? after update? after installing a package? a snap?
[15:28] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje:  -_- killall did the trick :-/
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: did apt update?
[15:28] <sruli> how can i have multiple instances of "pass" i have different sets of passes that i want to use different keys for and store in different locations
[15:28] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: thanks! I guess the way to fix this weird behavior is to killall. No updates, no.
[15:29] <assertionerror> lotuspsychje: and unfortunately, I can't find a pattern to this behavior.
[15:29] <blackflow> !details | sruli
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> assertionerror: tnx to ioria
[15:33] <King_TJ> Hi all.  I have a question ....  Is it possible to set up Ubuntu so iSCSI keeps trying to reconnect to a target (NAS) after Linux has fully booted up?
[15:33] <sruli> blackflow: I am referring  to the cli application "pass" to store passwords. I want to be able to have multiple different sets of passwords each in its own store encrypted with different keys and the stores i want in different locations so the trees of the store have nothing from the other store, hope i explained it well, if not please let me know
[15:33] <King_TJ> We occasionally have to reboot our Synology for firmware updates and such - and would be nice if that didn't also require restarting our Linux box running Code42 for our backups, which attaches to it via iSCSI at boot time.
[15:34] <lordcirth> King_TJ, you should be able to do this with some systemd mount options
[15:34] <lordcirth> Not sure if iSCSI is different than filesystem mounting
[15:34] <blackflow> sruli: ah I see. sorry, I'm not familiar with that tool. keepassxc is my password manager of choice.
[15:36] <King_TJ> lordcirth: That's what I wondered about....  The iSCSI initiator requires a special command to attach to the target device and it lets you make the device "persistent" across reboots. But couldn't find anything about making it keep trying to re-attach to a disconnected device, say every 15 or 30 seconds, when it's not found AFTER a reboot.
[15:36] <lordcirth> Ah, apparently iscsi isn't handled in fstab
[15:36] <lordcirth> King_TJ, you are using open-iscsi  ?
[15:37] <lordcirth> King_TJ, well, if all else fails, cron :P
[15:37] <King_TJ> I'd have to check to be sure, actually -- but it's whatever came with our Ubuntu Linux distro we installed on our Code42 storage servers.
[15:37] <goksu> Could not get this to mount. I am going back to reading manuals. Thanks for the help. The commands suggested show that I am on the right path.
[15:38] <King_TJ> I considered a cron task, but wondered if that was ill advised for any reason, such as it possibly hanging the system for a few seconds when it can't find a target?
[15:39] <lordcirth> King_TJ, It seems that open-iSCSI has some retry options: https://github.com/open-iscsi/open-iscsi/blob/master/README
[15:39] <sruli> yhey
[15:39] <lordcirth> King_TJ, retrying in its settings might result in IO blocking instead of immediately returning EIO
[15:40] <lordcirth> King_TJ, just curious, what's your use case? I've never needed iscsi
[15:40] <lordcirth> We don't really use SANs anymore
[15:41] <King_TJ> Yeah... I mean, the Code42 server is essentially useless without the NAS storage attached to it, so I'd prefer it just keeps trying to connect to the thing.  Yet, I also don't want to get it in a state where if the NAS is actually offline for a valid reason, you can barely even remote in to the Linux box to shut it down or work on it.
[15:42] <King_TJ> The use case?  I guess basically, it's that we can't fit enough drive storage in the mini tower PC that runs the Linux backup server... so we have a big Synology NAS that we let Linux attach to and manage as though it's one big drive to save all the user backups on.
[15:43] <lordcirth> King_TJ, right, I just meant, why iscsi instead of, say, NFS?
[15:43] <lordcirth> Well, tinker with retries on a dev system, and if you can't get it working, try a cron job
[15:44] <eater9> Hi - I have audio output via a Thunderbolt dock from my laptop, but sometimes after I resume the laptop from suspend, the audio is weirdly muffled and all the high frequencies are gone. Any idea how to troubleshoot that? The dock audio works flawlessly with Windows.
[15:45] <King_TJ> Yeah, I'll play with it some more....  Reason to do iSCSI vs NFS is probably just to keep it simple from perspective of letting Linux use the NAS as raw storage, as it sees fit, vs. having to configure the disk pool on the NAS side and share it out w/correct permissions and such.  Maybe that's not the best method?
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> eater9: suggestion is not to suspend when laptop is docked... have you tried unplugging and replugging in the dock after suspend?
[15:47] <eater9> pragmaticenigma: yes, unplug and replug fixes it, but then I always have to reconfigure my monitors
[15:50] <eater9> I try to undock almost never
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> eater9: suspend is not a feature that has seen widespread stable support. Different laptop manufactures choose different power state support which leads to odd behaviors when resuming. Is there a specific reason you are suspending the machine? Are there issues if you power off and back on later?
[15:52] <tgm4883> eater9: what laptop
[15:52] <goksu> ok so a sudo fdisk -l -b 512 drive.dd gives me 512 bytes. then mmls drive.dd -b 512 gives me "cannot determine partition type". aha! losetup gives me something.
[15:53] <eater9> It's a Thinkpad x1 carbon gen 5. I suspend it so that it's not running and glowing all night, just like I've always closed all my laptops
[15:55] <hailhydra> Im trying to compile a C++ program wth Boost 1.65 on Ubuntu 18. However my cmake file never finds Boost 1.65. Can someone help me?
[15:56] <nacc> hailhydra: you want a programming channel, specific to the language you are using, i expect.
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> hailhydra: This is not a development channel, please find a channel specific to the application you are compiling or ask for help in a software development channel. If you need help finding a channel, see !alis
[15:56] <anibic> Hi, my fresh installation of 18.10 64 bit is often logging out. Has anyone faced this problem ??? all necessary updates are taken
[15:56] <hailhydra> well #C++ and #C++-general pushed me over here
[15:57] <hailhydra> so now I'm your problem
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> hailhydra: Commentary like that will get you no where.
[15:58] <OerHeks> !info boost-defaults
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> anibic: your system logs out by itself?
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> hailhydra: And you have been told.. many times, this channel does not provide assistance with building applications from source. You are on your own to find the correct place to seek out help. Most often the best source is from the author(s) of the source code.
[15:58] <OerHeks> !info libboost-all-dev
[15:58] <OerHeks> there you go
[15:58] <hailhydra> pragmaticenigma: many?
[15:58] <hailhydra> I just got here
[15:59] <anibic> Yes. I faced it 3 times when I was minimizing a window.
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> hailhydra: I have seen you here before, and been told the same thing by myself and others
[15:59] <OerHeks> hailhydra, this is not support for building packages, actually
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> anibic: are your graphics drivers installed correctly?
[15:59] <hailhydra> I haven't been here in years
[15:59] <hailhydra> Im usually in #django
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> hailhydra: Please move on, this is not a discussion channel either
[16:01] <anibic> I didn't install any graphics driver on my own. I am running a discreet graphics card MSI N560Ti Twin Frozr.
[16:01] <OerHeks> haail so you got answered in ##linux too lolz
[16:01] <tgm4883> hailhydra: did you install the package that OerHeks suggested?
[16:01] <OerHeks> hailhydra, ^
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> anibic: could you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video
[16:01] <OerHeks> hailhydra, but if you install a tarrball, your are on your own
[16:02] <eater9> Is there a way to simulate an unplug-and-replug of the audio, I wonder? I tried unbinding and rebinding the driver but that doesn't fix the distortion.
[16:02] <hailhydra> OerHeks: yes I installed libboost-all-dev from apt
[16:02] <anibic> How to do that. What screenshot are you asking about ?
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> !paste | anibic
[16:05] <goksu> ok so on losetup I have /dev/loop0 size limit 0 offset 0 autoclear 0 RO 0 backfile pointing to drive.dd DIO 0 LOG-SEC 512 Are there not too many zeros in here? next step should be to mount the partition. but I understand it is not there?
[16:06] <leftyfb> goksu: losetup should give you loop0p1 (for partition1) for mounting. Also, verify that it's using loop0 and not some other number
[16:07] <anibic> OK, now I know about how to send a screenshot. However what screenshot you are asking about ??? The log-out happens so fast and when I log-in for a moment Ithe screen in dotted with small squares..
[16:07] <goksu> sudo mount -t ntfs -o r,force,loop,offset=0 /dev/loop0 mnt tells me there is not valid NTFS. asks if wrong device and whole disk instead of partition?
[16:07] <EriC^> goksu: try 'sudo partprobe /dev/loop0' to get partitions, if any exist
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> anibic: i dont need a screenshot, i would like to know if your graphics driver is loaded
[16:07] <ZEEX> #
[16:07] <anibic> I see.
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> anibic: open a terminal and type: sudo lshw -C video
[16:07] <goksu> partprobe returns empty.
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> eater9: If it was me, I'd create a script the reconfigures your displays using xrandr... that can be manually run or you might find a way to trigger it on wake/redock. My best guess is that the command repower the audio chipset in the dock isn't fully received and some component is still in a sleep state
[16:07] <anibic> ok wait
[16:08] <EriC^> goksu: then there's no partitions, how did you create this disk file?
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> eater9: but unplugging and replugging the docking station will wear out the USB jack... it might be a stop gap for now
[16:08] <leftyfb> goksu: loop=$(sudo losetup -f) ; echo $loop; sudo losetup -P drive.dd
[16:08] <tgm4883> eater9: FWIW, you shouldn't have to reconfigure your monitors after plugging into your dock. I'm attempting to reproduce your issue here on my X1C6 but have been unable to
[16:08] <EriC^> goksu: did you check lsblk after partprobe cause the command will not return anything
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> anibic: at bottom you should see driver=
[16:09] <goksu> leftyfb I only get one line reading loop0. there is no loop0p1. so it is so corrupted that it cant see the partitions.
[16:09] <hdd_> join #ros
[16:09] <leftyfb> goksu: correct
[16:09] <anibic> !pastebinit
[16:10] <anibic> plz wait
[16:11] <tgm4883> eater9: what are you playing audio through?
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> eater9: you might also want to check the sound settings and make sure the audio didn't get redirected to the laptop speakers
[16:11] <unmateble> SSAD
[16:11] <goksu> hmm allright. learned a ton of stuff yet again. I need to redo this exercise with a smaller running disk to see it working. the drive is too far gone to work.
[16:11] <leftyfb> unmateble: can we help you with something?
[16:12] <unmateble> i am an dinosaurs not like you
[16:12] <anibic> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DJVvXCtRsT/
[16:12] <unmateble> ok
[16:13] <leftyfb> unmateble: This is a support channel. Feel free to go to #ubuntu-offtopic for chatting. Or #freenode for trolling
[16:13] <unmateble> can you help me
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> anibic: you use 2 graphics cards in 1 system?
[16:13] <leftyfb> unmateble: not until you detail what issue you have with ubuntu
[16:13] <unmateble> yes ia'm
[16:14] <unmateble> sorry
[16:14] <anibic> Nope, Radeon 3000 is my onboard gfx
[16:14] <tgm4883> eater9: also, you mentioned reloading the audio drivers didn't help. Did you try restarting PA?
[16:14] <unmateble> i'm not andestud
[16:14] <unmateble> what's your computer
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> unmateble: Please understand this is not a chatting channel. It is preferred that you ask your question directly, and all in one line. If someone is able to help they will reach out here.
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> anibic: id reccomend you install the nvidia driver for your card, instead of nouveau
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> anibic: can you check: ubuntu-drivers list
[16:15] <goksu> Thanks everyone for the help. goodbye. :)
[16:15] <unmateble> do not go
[16:15] <anibic> How to do that ?
[16:16] <unmateble> youer good gay
[16:16] <OerHeks> ...
[16:16] <unmateble> i'm bard dino
[16:16] <OerHeks> unmateble, stop the prank, this is ubuntu support, not chat
[16:16] <leftyfb> !op | unmateble
[16:17] <eater9> I do have an xrandr script, but it's still an annoyance because my windows get resized and my workspaces get moved around, etc. The audio is not being redirected to the laptop speakers -- those sound much better than the dock audio when it's distorted.
[16:17] <unmateble> ubuntu 14.04 lts is dos'nt saprt
[16:17] <eater9> tgm4883: restarting PA doesn't help the distortion
[16:17] <unmateble> i can not go to web
[16:17] <anibic> do you want me to check for ubuntu driver in Nvidia portal ?
[16:18] <tgm4883> eater9: are you plugging into the 3.5mm jack in the dock for audio?
[16:18] <leftyfb> unmateble: what is your primary language?
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> anibic: did you read what i just said?
[16:18] <unmateble> no i do not
[16:18] <anibic> yes, but i did not understand.
[16:18] <leftyfb> unmateble: what is your primary language?
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> anibic: open a terminal and type: ubuntu-drivers list
[16:19] <anibic> i see....plz wait.
[16:19] <unmateble> how shoud i download linux ubuntu 18.10 cosemic cuttlrfisf
[16:20] <unmateble> ?
[16:20] <CarlFK> unmateble: please answer leftyfb: unmateble: what is your primary language?
[16:20] <unmateble> i like filmms
[16:20] <leftyfb> !op unmateble
[16:20] <leftyfb> !op | unmateble
[16:20] <eater9> tgm4883: yes, and I've troubleshooted (troubleshot?) that it's not an analog problem with that component. The dock has two sound cards, each with a 3.5mm jack, and they both distort the same. But when I plug the 3.5mm plug into the laptop directly, sounds great
[16:21] <anibic> nvidia-driver-390
[16:21] <anibic> nvidia-340
[16:21] <unmateble> i'am dinosaura
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | unmateble : way off topic
[16:21] <anibic> this is what it lists
[16:21] <unmateble> i love you
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> anibic: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390
[16:21] <tgm4883> !lk | unmateble
[16:21] <unmateble> fuck you!
[16:21] <CarlFK> unmateble: your behavior does not follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines -
[16:22] <unmateble> pron
[16:22] <anibic> But I have a GTX 560 Ti card ? Will that match ?
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | unmateble : uncouth language
[16:22]  * pragmaticenigma oops
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> anibic: ubuntu-drivers reccomends it, we can try
[16:23] <anibic> ok lets go ahead then ....:-D
[16:24] <anibic> downloading.... Shall I log-out and close pidgin ?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> anibic: after installed, reboot ok
[16:25] <eater9> tgm4883: or I don't know if they're two cards, but two jacks at least, one for regular line out and one for headphone
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | anibic if you get a black screen at boot
[16:25] <anibic> OK ....do not leave the room. It will be done in 10 mins.
[16:31] <tgm4883> eater9: Unfortunately I'm unable to reproduce your issue on mine. I only have a single headphone jack on my TB3 dock though
[16:37] <gyles19> I figured out last night why one of my VMs self-destructed when unattended-upgrades ran... our newhire was wanting to remove an app he'd installed from a tarball, and he was apparently trying to force apt-get, then apptitude, to remove it, and he somehow flagged ubuntu-* meta packages for removal.  So when unattended-upgrades ran, the thing self-destructed as instructed.  now I have to figure out how aptitude can be configured to pre
[16:38] <gyles19> (I didn't get to interview this guy before he was hired, sadly.)
[16:38] <JimBuntu> gyles19, Well, that means you get to conduct the exit interview ;p
[16:39] <gyles19> I wish.
[16:39] <gyles19> at least this wasn't yet a production host.
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> gyles19: This is also reinforces the needs for make routine backups, and checking those backups
[16:46] <phantom> ping
[16:46] <phantom> ping
[16:48] <gyles19> Of course, although this VM is still being built and backups haven't been configured on it yet.  It will get there.
[17:03] <xaeB5> hi . can someone tell me if Broadcom BCM43231 will work in ubuntu?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> xaeB5: you can test your hardware in a liveusb if you like
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> xaeB5: the broadcom driver is also included on the install media
[17:04] <xamithan> isn't that a pretty old chipset,  should work
[17:05] <xaeB5> its pretty old, around a decade
[17:05] <rob0tman5> wow
[17:09] <erle-> Is there a recommendable Gtk+-based ePub reader?
[17:10] <lordcirth> erle-, FBReader ?
[17:11] <erle-> >qt4
[17:15] <OerHeks> !info calibre
[17:15] <lordcirth> Calibre is also qt4
[17:16] <lordcirth> erle-, I've never really worried about whether something was qt4 or gtk. Trying to reduce disk usage? Or consistent theming?
[17:17] <erle-> Calibre is Qt5
[17:17] <erle-> lordcirth, it really looks disappointing, but reading means looking a lot at it
[17:17] <erle-> also the first screenshot I saw of it has UTF8 failure
[17:17] <erle-> https://itsfoss.com/best-ebook-readers-linux/
[17:18] <OerHeks> interesting .. what is the failure?
[17:19] <erle-> OerHeks, third line: https://i2.wp.com/itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/fbreader.jpeg
[17:19] <erle-> I found a Firefox addon that looks alright
[17:19] <OerHeks> oh, i was talking about calibre, not fbreader
[17:23] <erle-> OerHeks, I would like to have a simple viewer like Evince for ePub
[17:23] <erle-> not a library
[17:23] <erle-> I will go with the Firefox addon for now
[17:23] <erle-> the rendering is very nice
[17:36] <DolphinDream> howdy
[17:36] <lordcirth> DolphinDream, hi
[17:36] <DolphinDream> is there a way to make the apps launched from terminal to appear in FRONT of the terminal window instead of BEHIND it ? (i'm using ubuntu 16.04)
[17:37] <JimBuntu> DolphinDream, I would also love to know this.
[17:38] <lordcirth> DolphinDream, well, you could set your terminal to always be below other windows?
[17:38] <DolphinDream> lordcirth:  it is allowed
[17:39] <DolphinDream> i have windows on top.. it's jjust when i launch a new up it by default appears in the back
[17:39] <Tenkawa> that sounds more like the window manager default behaviour
[17:40] <tgm4883> I don't have that issue on budgie
[17:40] <Tenkawa> thats too general of a statement
[17:40] <Tenkawa> way too generic
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> DolphinDream: Gnome desktop has a feature to prevent other windows from stealing focus. That is why the new window appears under the terminal.
[17:41] <Tenkawa> the versions changed between the two..etc
[17:41] <DolphinDream> pragmaticenigma: how do i disable that ?
[17:43] <compdoc> pragmaticenigma, I think Mate has the same feature. Id love to disable it too
[17:43] <anibic> I am back. Installing the midia driver has ruined my installation.
[17:44] <lordcirth> anibic, what Ubuntu version, what nvidia driver version, and how did you install it?
[17:44] <Tenkawa> anibic: please elaborate
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> lordcirth Tenkawa we tested the 390 on his card instead of nouveau
[17:44] <anibic> I am chatting from my mobile phone now.
[17:45] <anibic> 18.10, nvidia driver 390
[17:45] <Tenkawa> what method for installing did you use?
[17:45] <anibic> sudo command
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> Tenkawa: the 390 from the repos
[17:45] <anibic> yes I typed it on terminal.
[17:46] <Tenkawa> you on a i386 or 64 bit?
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> DolphinDream: I can't find the setting... my searches are all returning solutions to handling the oppoiste behaviro (preventing other windows from stealing focus)
[17:46] <anibic> as instructed by a user on this channel.
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> DolphinDream: This the closest that I can find to an answer, but I don't think installing an extension is going to solve the problem for you: https://askubuntu.com/a/1051539
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> anibic: so whats happening to your system?
[17:47] <anibic> actually I was facing occasional logging out.
[17:48] <anibic> I forgot the name.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> anibic: i mean, whats happening now after the 390 drivers?
[17:48] <nicomachus> pragmaticenigma: DolphinDream: in dconf-editor, org/gnome/desktop/wm/preferences has a toggle for "auto-raise"
[17:49] <anibic> Aah !!! my installation ruined. But it's ok.
[17:49] <Tenkawa> it isnt ruined
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> anibic: elaborate please?
[17:49] <Tenkawa> i've had to fix nvidia drivers 100's of times
[17:49] <nicomachus> pragmaticenigma: DolphinDream: there's also a few options for "focus-mode" and "focus-new-windows"
[17:50] <Tenkawa> i just did it on this machine last week
[17:50] <JimBuntu> DolphinDream, http://www.webupd8.org/2015/11/fix-for-some-apps-starting-behind.html
[17:50] <nicomachus> Lots of options in dconf for window focus.
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> nicomachus: Is there some documentation you could point us to, that defines what those entries do
[17:50] <anibic> after I rebooted . my screen resolution got stuck at 800 x 600
[17:50] <Tenkawa> anibic: thats a good sign
[17:51] <nicomachus> pragmaticenigma: if you click each option in dconf-editor it provides a summary and description
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: that's an old article, wouldn't apply since that is for Unity, and this is for Gnome-desktop
[17:51] <JimBuntu> Oh, I saw 16.04 and was thinking Unity... working for me :)
[17:51] <Tenkawa> that allows us to get in there and see if nouveau has taken over
[17:51] <nicomachus> Also shows default and current value, etc
[17:51] <anibic> But I am stuck in the text that scrolls up
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: no, you're right... was so long ago I forgot they referenced 16.04
[17:52] <Tenkawa> ok thats good information
[17:52] <anibic> I have taken a photo graph of the screen on my mobile
[17:52] <nicomachus> anibic: upload to imgur and then share the link here.
[17:52] <OerHeks> anibic, and what is your nvidia GPU ?
[17:53] <anibic> gtx 560 ti
[17:53] <anibic> !pastebin
[17:57] <everlite> Ciao a Tutti!!!
[17:57] <DolphinDream> thx JimBuntu :) i was just eyeballing that CCSM option .. it works fine now
[17:57] <DolphinDream> thx all
[18:00] <leftyfb> !it | everlite
[18:00] <anibic> বাল ছিঁড়ে আঁটি বাঁধো।
[18:01] <craigbass76> Anyone had trouble with hp-setup ? I've tried a couple of the newer versions, and get error: Plugin installation failed every time.
[18:01] <everlite> Ciao a tutti :D
[18:01] <craigbass76> Sorry, hp-plugin
[18:02] <craigbass76> hp-setup -i craps out because I haven't run hp-plugin yet.
[18:02] <leftyfb> everlite: This is an English speaking channel only
[18:02] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04.2 A google scan indicates I have to use compiz to enable  wallpaper differently on other workspaces. It has been numerous programs ago since I used compiz but then it was a pita is it now ok
[18:03] <Tenkawa> brb
[18:05] <anibic> http://imgur.com/DKLByRR
[18:06] <anibic> sorry for the delay.
[18:07] <aolx> :）
[18:11] <anibic> Is the screenshot readable ?
[18:11] <Tenkawa> hows it going with the nvidia problem? my drivers are rebuilt and running well
[18:12] <anibic> I am stuck at boot. see my imgur link.
[18:12] <Tenkawa> anibic: whats the paste url? I missed it
[18:12] <tgm4883> Tenkawa: anibic> http://imgur.com/DKLByRR
[18:13] <Tenkawa> thank you
[18:13] <Tenkawa> is this a dual gpu machine?
[18:14] <Tenkawa> or optimus
[18:14] <Tenkawa> based
[18:14] <Tenkawa> type
[18:15] <anibic> yes. i have onboard radeon 3000 but I use a discreet gtx 560 ti card.
[18:15] <Tenkawa> ack
[18:15] <jiqiren> does anyone know if the ARM release works on the Rpi Zero? I just see Rpi2 listed (and for arm64 Rpi3)
[18:15] <Tenkawa> thats a piece of info that we needed
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> jiqiren: It does not
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> jiqiren: Ubuntu's support for ARM processors starts with ARM7, the Rpi Zero runs the same CPU as the original Rpi's which is ARM6
[18:17] <Tenkawa> unfortunately i am very rusty on making two cards (especially from 2 vendors) play nice together
[18:17] <Tenkawa> i think thats where the sticking point it
[18:18] <Tenkawa> have you tried moving your video cable to the other port?
[18:19] <anibic> After the fresh installation (few hrs ago) . It was ok . But it was logging out. It happened 3 times.
[18:19] <anibic> I have only 1 PCIe x16 port .
[18:19] <Tenkawa> anibic: doesnt matter
[18:20] <Tenkawa> you still have two outputs
[18:20] <Tenkawa> the one on the machine and the card
[18:20] <xaeB5> how do i tell which package i need to install to get the firmware i need?
[18:20] <Tenkawa> and they might be conflicting
[18:20] <xaeB5> does ubuntu have a firmware-misc-nonfree package like debian?
[18:20] <lordcirth> xaeB5, what firmware do you need?
[18:21] <anibic> Yes I am connected to the discreet card's DVI port.
[18:21] <xaeB5> lordcirth: ralink RT5372
[18:22] <Joe_from_next_do> Hi I am here to confirm that Windows 10 can also "right-click->burn disc image" like on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[18:22] <Tenkawa> anibic: its very possible the onboard card is still trying to grab control.. I've never had much luck with more than one vid card
[18:23] <anibic> That's the reason Ubuntu sucks
[18:23] <anibic> Windows wins.
[18:24] <Tenkawa> anibic: it has nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:24] <Tenkawa> if you dont like it dont use it
[18:24] <Tenkawa> .
[18:24] <anibic> I like it.
[18:24] <Joe_from_next_do> That does have something to do with Ubuntu, since there is where the problem surfaces.
[18:24] <Tenkawa> I have just as much problems in windows with multi card setups as linux
[18:25] <Joe_from_next_do> Then it also has something to do with Windows right?
[18:25] <lordcirth> Joe_from_next_do, I believe that should work for CDs, yeah. For USBs, use etcher
[18:25] <Uncle_Joe_St> windows suxx big time
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> Joe_from_next_do: You can do "Burn Disc Image" in Windows 10 like you would for previous versions of windows. I personally prefer to use software like CDBurnerXP on windows to burn ISOs
[18:26] <anibic> Plz don't fight
[18:26] <Joe_from_next_do> lordcirth: currently using rufus; thought I'd let people know since I cannot edit that page
[18:26] <xaeB5> can anyone tell me what package to install in order to get ralink RT5372 working
[18:26] <lordcirth> xaeB5, still working on it
[18:27] <xaeB5> lordcirth: thanks
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> Uncle_Joe_St: Please remain ontopic here. Opinions can be freely expressed in #ubuntu-offtopic. And remember to adhere to community !guidelines
[18:28] <Joe_from_next_do> Woo time to reboot ciao loves!
[18:29] <Kriss3d> I have a slight problem. Im running Xfce. My network manager says my internal ip is one and ifconfig eno1 says i have another. Im trying to set a static ip but when i do i cant get any kind of internet
[18:29] <lordcirth> xaeB5, https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb?highlight=%28RT5372%29
[18:30] <lordcirth> This gives us the driver name. Now to find how to get it on Ubuntu
[18:31] <xaeB5> found that page. it says to install firmware-misc-nonfree on debian. i tried to find if there is such a package in ubuntu and it looks like there isn't
[18:31] <lordcirth> xaeB5, lsmod | grep rt2800usb
[18:31] <SpokeyDokey> z
[18:32] <lordcirth> xaeB5, 'apt-file search rt2800usb' indicates that it's in the default kernel pacakge
[18:32] <xaeB5> lordcirth: isn't it nonfree?
[18:33] <xaeB5> debian has it in the non-free repos at least. so i didnt think it would be there by default in ubuntu. maybe it is though
[18:34] <lordcirth> xaeB5, the kernel part at least seems to be GPL: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=d53d9e67b55f6a9fc3f836c5c392eb41ce5676f4
[18:34] <unimatrix9> hi there , i was used to forcefsck, but now with 18.04 its not working ? how to check file system with ubuntu 18.04 ?
[18:35] <xaeB5> ok thanks lordcirth
[18:35] <lordcirth> unimatrix9, you mean 'touch /forcefsck'?
[18:36] <lordcirth> xaeB5, what did 'lsmod | grep rt2800usb' show?
[18:36] <unimatrix9> i tried that, should it show output ? looks like nothing happened
[18:36] <lordcirth> That means that the module isn't loaded.
[18:36] <SpokeyDokey> Hey guys... so I'm new to linux and was wondering if any of y'all could point me to the best learning resources :/
[18:36] <lordcirth> Oh, nvrm, wrong person
[18:36] <lordcirth> unimatrix9, touch? all it does is create a file. No output is expected.
[18:37] <unimatrix9> i understand, i mean at reboot should it show its checking files system ?
[18:38] <Bashing-om> unimatrix9: systemd way: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html
[18:38] <lordcirth> ^that
[18:39] <Kriss3d> SpokeyDokey, uhm i would properbly search google for something like linux for beginners pdf
[18:39] <xaeB5> lordcirth: returns several results with rt2800usb int hem
[18:39] <lordcirth> xaeB5, so, the kernel module is loaded
[18:39] <unimatrix9> ok, thats clear .. so the old way is history.. :)
[18:39] <xaeB5> cool
[18:41] <unimatrix9> thanks for the info
[18:41] <SpokeyDokey> Kriss3d, okie... I'm not a very technical so I find a lot of tutorials to be a little tough to understand
[18:42] <Kriss3d> SpokeyDokey, i hear you. It can be a bit confusing with all the different linux distros. But at least once you learn one, most other distros are quite the same
[18:43] <SpokeyDokey> Kriss3d, thanks for the encouragement :) This is also my first time on any IRC chat and getting any kind of response (had no luck on discord lol)
[18:43] <Kriss3d> SpokeyDokey, ive been working with linux for over 15 years. trial and error and a computer to look up things on google really is a great way to learn
[18:44] <Kriss3d> ah new to IRC. Yes theres not many on anymore. theres great groups on FB as well
[18:44] <rypervenche> SpokeyDokey: I would say just start using the OS as your main OS and ask a ton of questions. :)
[18:44] <Kriss3d> yes. as rypervenche says. thats a good way to learn.. use it as your main OS.
[18:44] <SpokeyDokey> rypervenche, I already messed up when installing ubuntu and I can't boot windows anymore lol
[18:44] <SpokeyDokey> guess I'm stuck with linux haha
[18:44] <Kriss3d> ahh let me guess. you installed ubuntu over the entire disk ?
[18:44] <rypervenche> SpokeyDokey: That's an even better way to learn it, ><
[18:45] <SpokeyDokey> Well, when I try getting into windows it asks for some "bitlocker recovery" thing
[18:45] <rypervenche> SpokeyDokey: I think we've all done something similar at some point in our learning. :P
[18:45] <SpokeyDokey> I'm clueless when it comes to computers tbh so i guess ill learn the hard way
[18:45] <Kriss3d> auch. ok so it didnt kill your windows entirely but clearly your windows is encrypted and properbly installed using secureboot
[18:46] <SpokeyDokey> Yeah.. I just wished I allocated more memory to my ubuntu (only 40gb).. is there any way to reallocate and take from my windows ?
[18:46] <SpokeyDokey> if I can't access my windows directly
[18:46] <SpokeyDokey> lol sorry for the noob questions
[18:46] <rypervenche> SpokeyDokey: Do you know if you installed Ubuntu with LVM?
[18:47] <SpokeyDokey> What's LVM?
[18:47] <SpokeyDokey> I followed a tutorial on youtube to "dual boot with windows 10"
[18:47] <SpokeyDokey> so I booted from a USB
[18:47] <rypervenche> It was a choice when you were doing your installation. It likely said something like "Use entire disk" and "Use entire disk with LVM"
[18:47] <Bashing-om> SpokeyDokey: Pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' for the channel, perhaps there are here that can help you re-install Windows boot code.
[18:47] <SpokeyDokey> Oh god, I don't even remember what option i selected lol
[18:50] <SpokeyDokey> Bashing-om, I guess installing windows at this point isn't the main priority but just taking some hard drive space from my windows and allocating it to my ubuntu
[18:50] <SpokeyDokey> haha because 40gb isn't cutting it :/ I want to redownload my STEAM Games :-(
[18:51] <xamithan> probably need a livecd or gparted live
[18:52] <SpokeyDokey> So how did any of you guys learn computer hardware/software? Any tips? I don't know where to start
[18:52] <SpokeyDokey> all this info is kinda overwhelming
[18:52] <nacc> SpokeyDokey: #ubuntu-offtopic, probably
[18:52] <nacc> SpokeyDokey: it's not a support topic, to be clear
[18:52] <SpokeyDokey> nacc, got it, will lurk that channel to get started haha
[18:52] <Bashing-om> SpokeyDokey: One can reduce the Windows partition. Best practice is from Windows - then grow ubuntu from ubunt's gparted tool .
[18:54] <Kriss3d> ive been learning since i was like 7.. first computer was an 80x88 pc. back when they cost a fortune where a mouse was somthing youd not want in your house and graphics was made with a pen
[18:54] <SpokeyDokey> Bashing-om, got it. So I guess my first step would be to re-install windows
[18:55] <Kriss3d> learned linux by the old backtrack and RH
[18:55] <Shepard26> That nigga old duh eww
[18:55] <Kriss3d> haha yeah
[18:55] <SpokeyDokey> Kriss3d, I admire people like you starting at such an early age.. I was too caught up in other useless bullcrap
[18:55] <Bashing-om> SpokeyDokey: Best guess is that Windows partition is still valid ... just fix that boot code .. then resize what you have :)
[18:56] <SpokeyDokey> Bashing-om, so should my next steps be to look up tutorials on how to fix that boot code?
[18:56] <Kriss3d> ive spent all my life doing electronics and stuff. have two college educations ( as  you get paid for taking an education i had no problem with affording free education ) one in electronics and one in computers
[18:56] <SpokeyDokey> Bashing-om, because in all honesty I don't know how to do that at all lmao
[18:57] <Kriss3d> cant remember the name of the girl i first kissed but i remember every computer model ive had
[18:57] <nacc> Kriss3d: #ubuntu-offtopic, please.
[18:57] <Kriss3d> sorry
[18:57] <SpokeyDokey> @Kriss3d, that's awesome, I went to college for music and ended up hating it
[18:57] <SpokeyDokey> and whoops sorry for goin offtopic lmao
[18:57] <Kriss3d> anyway. with linux you ask questions and mess up and end up doing things over
[18:58] <Bashing-om> SpokeyDokey: Your system .. your path to resolution. Whatever you think is best ( in this case), we are here to help :)
[18:58] <SpokeyDokey> Thank you all for the help.. Imma educate myself and learn and will come back here to ask questions along the way :-)
[18:59] <Bashing-om> SpokeyDokey: All of us started out that we "I don't know how to do that at all" ... We learn best by doing.
[19:00] <saul> so i have a ubuntu machine with git 2.21 but my bitbucket server is insisting on git 2.20 - is there a clean way to downgrade a package version via apt ?
[19:01] <Kriss3d> SpokeyDokey,  theres a bit on learning how it all works here http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
[19:01] <SpokeyDokey> Kriss3d, sweet will check tht out
[19:01] <Kriss3d> https://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_for_beginners_index.html
[19:01] <Kriss3d> or here
[19:01] <SpokeyDokey> hehE time to study up
[19:02] <Kriss3d> let me know if you need any pdf documents. i have a knack for finding stuff
[19:02] <Bashing-om> !info git | cosmic
[19:02] <Kriss3d> google dorking is so awesome
[19:02] <Bashing-om> !info git cosmic
[19:03] <SpokeyDokey> Kriss3d, got it; appreciate all the help:)
[19:04] <Kriss3d> enko ah another dane i see ?
[19:07] <Kriss3d> Can someone explain whats wrong here ?? my ifconfig en01 tells me that my ip is 10.0.1.126 but according to my network manager here its 10.1.1.111
[19:07] <Kriss3d> https://cdn1.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/3/13/8086233909ee08675887cc15301aa773-full.png
[19:07] <Kriss3d> what am i doing wrong ?? ive not seen this before
[19:08] <leftyfb> Kriss3d: the screenshot you just posted says it's 10.0.1.126
[19:09] <leftyfb> Kriss3d: nothing in that screenshot says 111
[19:09] <Kriss3d> leftyfb, oh right. yeah. well i had it set to manual a bit ago and there it said 111.
[19:09] <Kriss3d> ill just take a look at it again.
[19:09] <qwebirc9554> Hi, I just installed ubuntu server on my surface pro 2 and want to connect to wifi. I enabled my wifi card but how can I connect to my wifi? (I don't have an ethernet connection to use)
[19:09] <gyles19> My boss had that issue once.  turned out he was working on a kvm server with libvirt and NetworkManager both installed.  They conflict with each other and you see nonsense like that.
[19:11] <leftyfb> qwebirc9554: what are you going to do with ubuntu server on a surface?
[19:13] <johnfg> hi folks!
[19:13] <qwebirc9554> I want to have a minimal install of linux and install a window manager on top of it
[19:13] <johnfg> I just bought a new flash drive to install ubuntu from.
[19:13] <leftyfb> qwebirc9554: install lubuntu?
[19:14] <johnfg> Do I have to do something to make it bootable?
[19:14] <leftyfb> johnfg: use etcher to flash the ubuntu iso onto it
[19:14] <johnfg> I'm at the instructions, but am still not sure about it.
[19:15] <leftyfb> johnfg: use etcher to flash the ubuntu iso onto it
[19:15] <Bashing-om> johnfg: Bear in mind the "minimal" installer does not support UEFI. Alternates do exist.
[19:15] <johnfg> leftyfb: I'll see if I have that on my debian stretch machine.
[19:15] <leftyfb> johnfg: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
[19:16] <qwebirc9554> leftyfb: I don't want all the preinstalled apps, I just want i3wm and google chrome (and add software later on)
[19:17] <leftyfb> qwebirc9554: with no way to get it online in order to get the wireless networking packages, it'll just be easier to use something like x/lubuntu and remove packages as needed
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> !mini | qwebirc9554
[19:18] <leftyfb> ah, that might work
[19:18] <leftyfb> forgot about that one
[19:18] <qwebirc9554> leftyfb: isn't it possible to download the packages from a live cd and move them to the ubuntu server disk
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc9554: By default, the mini.iso will only install the bare minimum for an Ubuntu installation. You can choose to add Desktops while installing, or you can wait till it has completed and then login to terminal to install the packages you desire
[19:19] <qwebirc9554> ubottu: I tried to load the minimal cd but the surface only supports uefi, so people suggested using ubuntu server
[19:19] <leftyfb> qwebirc9554: yes. Worth the time? no.
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc9554: The same effect can be achieved with the ubuntu-server ISO... that link provided by ubottu has a link for instructions involving UEFI and the server installation ISO
[19:20] <fabio> sera
[19:21] <qwebirc9554> leftyfb: Is it possible to connect to wifi with the minimal-iso without having access to an ethernet connection?
[19:22] <qwebirc9554> pragmaticenigma: I already installed the ubuntu-server iso, but I don't have access to ethernet only wifi. Is it possible to connect to wifi with ubuntu server?
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc9554: Yes, the minimal-iso will prompt you for wifi credentials if it detects a wireless network (driver support is minimal on the mini installer though, some chipsets are not supported)
[19:23] <qwebirc9554> pragmaticenigma: My surface only support uefi, is it possible to load the iso on my surface?
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc9554: It is possible, I don't personally know how to do it. A web search will likely yield an instructional. Do note to make sure the Ubuntu versions match in any documentation you find.
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc9554: short answer, no, it's not easily possible to load the ISO on to your tablet
[19:25] <acemikoder> hello
[19:25] <anonymous> hello
[19:26] <raub> I have a 18.04LTS vm guest whose dmesg output shows a lot of messages like this https://paste.centos.org/view/ecac9b98
[19:26] <qwebirc9554> pragmaticenigma: Do you have any alternatives? I want a distro with a periodic updating schedule (like ubuntu) but as minimal as possible (so no gui or other apps, I want to configure that myself)
[19:26] <anonymous> who hacker*
[19:26] <raub> Does it think the virtual drive has corruption?
[19:26] <craigbass76> Anyone had trouble with hp-plugin ? I've tried a couple of the newer versions, and get "error: Plugin installation failed" every time.
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc9554: That goes beyond the scope of this channel. You would have to do your own research to find what works. Searching the web will connect you to forums of other people that have installed Ubuntu or other Linux Distrobutions on that device.
[19:27] <lordcirth> raub, given that it's a VM, the failure could be occurring at a number of places. But it's failing to access the hard drive.
[19:27] <lapion> okay so I usually like to download all files for an upcoming upgrade while using the computer without the risk of having the upgrade start afterwards, then I reboot into single user mode fire-up the network and start the actual upgrade..
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> craigbass76: What are you using the plugin for? I haven't found a printer that really required it.
[19:27] <lordcirth> raub, check the host's dmesg for IO errors, to begin with
[19:28] <qwebirc9554> pragmaticenigma: understandable, thanks for your help
[19:28] <craigbass76> pragmaticenigma m1212 all in one laser
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> craigbass76: I think the plug-in it refers to is the task bar status icon. I had issues after installing it, but the printer worked just fine
[19:29] <raub> lordcirth: Will do. I am not that concerned about the machine since it is configured using ansible. But, as you said, I wonder if the host is unhappy
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> lapion: is there a question we can help with
[19:29] <craigbass76> pragmaticenigma, I can print fine, but am trying to scan some stuff. Pffft.
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> craigbass76: Best of luck there... the hp-plugin tool as far as I know is for printing only
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> !who | lapion : otherwise
[19:30] <craigbass76> It worked a few Linuxes ago... :(
[19:31] <craigbass76> 12 and 14 I think
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> craigbass76: Make sure you have the SANE packages installed
[19:31] <craigbass76> lib-sane?
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> craigbass76: yes, and its other related packages
[19:31] <Bashing-om> qwebirc9554: Consider: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ .
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> craigbass76: I've got to head out... I'm sure another volunteer here will be able to help
[19:32] <craigbass76> I got it. Thanks though
[19:39] <gyles19> raub, I see those types of errors when the hypervisor has lost access to its own filesystem where the vm disk images are stored.  We use a san here and if there is a network burp, most of the VMs will log sd errors like yours.
[19:47] <Tenkawa> wow.. running a make -j 18 is just amazing to watch on the right hardware
[19:49] <blackflow> Tenkawa: you'd love running gentoo then.
[19:50] <Tenkawa> wouldnt be any different.. I'm doing stuff by hand
[19:52] <Tenkawa> I still remember when running a kernel compile could take an inordinate amount of time
[19:52] <Tenkawa> and this one is going to take me less than 10
[19:53] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[19:59] <Tenkawa> brb.. more tuning
[20:10] <Kriss3d> thats odd.. i have my router assign a static ip to my server. and i set my server to manual ip. and ill keep losing connection and everything being slow af.
[20:10] <Kriss3d> enable dhcp agian and it runs smoothly
[20:10] <leftyfb> Kriss3d: if you have router assigning it a leased ip, why set it to manual? It needs to be dhcp
[20:11] <Kriss3d> because it wouldnt actually assign the correct ip.
[20:11] <leftyfb> then that's a router issue
[20:11] <leftyfb> more likely, you missed something in the config
[20:11] <leftyfb> wrong MAC address?
[20:11] <leftyfb> didn't hit apply?
[20:11] <Kriss3d> leftyfb, but it seems that some messing around with it fixed it. Yeah the router started acting funny. but my gf is watching youtube and id rather not spend the night on the couch for messing it up right now
[20:12] <Kriss3d> well the router does assign me correctly now
[20:12] <leftyfb> right, with your machine being set to dhcp, as it should be
[20:12] <Kriss3d> yes
[20:16] <SorryNoob> hi I just wanted to ask is there a way where I can return to windows and uninstall ubuntu?
[20:16] <ryuo> SorryNoob: Sure. Just invent a time machine, go back in time, and stop yourself. :)
[20:16] <lordcirth> SorryNoob, you install Windows again...
[20:17] <ryuo> SorryNoob: What was it exactly? Windows 10?
[20:17] <SorryNoob> windows 10
[20:17] <ryuo> SorryNoob: get your ISO here then: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
[20:17] <SorryNoob> I already have it
[20:17] <ryuo> SorryNoob: so what's the problem?
[20:18] <SorryNoob> i put it in usb
[20:18] <SorryNoob> and reboot and it does'nt load
[20:18] <Ben64> sounds like you want ##windows
[20:18] <ryuo> Windows ISOs require special work to make them work that way.
[20:18] <ryuo> You'd need to burn it to make it work as expected.
[20:19] <OerHeks> you need WoeUSB for that, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/create-bootable-windows-10-usb-ubuntu
[20:19] <OerHeks> or walk to an other windows machine, and copy the contents of the dvd ..
[20:19] <SorryNoob> already done that
[20:19] <lordcirth> OerHeks, bookmarked, thanks
[20:19] <OerHeks> that would make it bootable too,
[20:19] <SorryNoob> all I want is return back to windows and install docker and use linux inside docker
[20:20] <ryuo> ... if you're going back to Windows 10, why use docker? you can use WSL now.
[20:20] <SorryNoob> windows is for my kids so they can learn the basics as they grow
[20:20] <OerHeks> good luck, the usb should be fat32.
[20:20] <ryuo> Hm.
[20:20] <SorryNoob> but for now need to revert this back to windows 10
[20:21] <leftyfb> SorryNoob: they should learn the basics on linux, not Windows
[20:21] <Kriss3d> SorryNoob, thats actually not always as easy as windows uses its own boot manager and you cant just make it research for windows. But let me see what i can dig up
[20:21] <ryuo> leftyfb: it's their choice. this isn't the place to argue about such things.
[20:21] <leftyfb> SorryNoob: my little sister ran only ubuntu on her computer for the first umpteen years of her life. Then she got a chromebook for school to keep things simple
[20:22] <leftyfb> ryuo: I'm not arguing, just a suggestion
[20:22] <ryuo> Ok.
[20:22] <Kriss3d> SorryNoob, I would try this https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/repair-the-boot-menu-on-a-dual-boot-pc
[20:23] <leftyfb> SorryNoob: use woeusb to flash the Windows iso onto a flash drive and reinstall. Or go to ##windows for help creating the USB drive using another Windows machine
[20:23] <leftyfb> Kriss3d: you're assuming they have Windows installed dual boot
[20:23] <Kriss3d> SorryNoob, start by making a windows bootble usb stick to boot from that will let you fix it
[20:23] <Kriss3d> leftyfb, i assume he have windows installed but cant somehow get to boot it yes
[20:23] <leftyfb> Kriss3d: I think you're assumption is unfounded
[20:24] <Kriss3d> Auch. My mistake.
[20:24] <Kriss3d> SorryNoob, when you installed ubuntu. did you have it install on the entire disk ?? or side by side with windows ?
[20:24] <SorryNoob> Kriss3d I already have a live bootable windows 10 usb
[20:24] <leftyfb> SorryNoob: the visit ##windows for help booting your Windows USB to install Windows. Ubuntu is completely irrelevant to you at this point
[20:26] <OerHeks> WoeUSB takes 30 minutes, copying from windows on usb about 4 minutes
[20:26] <OerHeks> grinn
[20:26] <leftyfb> OerHeks: they said they already have a a bootable windows 10 usb
[20:27] <OerHeks> SorryNoob, oke, see if it is (protected) EFI, and make sure boot is set properly
[20:27] <OerHeks> and not in a (blue) usb 3 port
[20:27] <OerHeks> if it fails, join ##windows
[20:33] <raub> gyles19: thanks for the info. I will convert the date to something I can understand to see if it is related to an event in the hypervisor I am aware of
[20:35] <raub> SorryNoob: "(16:18:16) SorryNoob: and reboot and it does'nt load" and "(16:24:23) SorryNoob: Kriss3d I already have a live bootable windows 10 usb" are contradictory
[20:37] <raub> lordcirth, gyles19: just as a FYI, https://paste.centos.org/view/6d74515a
[20:37] <lordcirth> raub, you did that while mounted?
[20:38] <lordcirth> Don't do that
[20:38] <raub> lordcirth: yes, hence the -n
[20:38] <raub> I thought -n would mean not to change it
[20:38] <lordcirth> raub, wait, why did you fsck sda instead of a partition?
[20:43] <gyles19> Ubuntu's installer normally defaults to creating partition tables on devices so usually you'd fsck /dev/sda1 or whatever.  Telling fsck to read the whole device will confuse it.  However, if you do like I tend to do, and create extra virtual devices and format those directly without partitions, when /dev/sda would be correct and then those errors would be a problem.
[20:46] <blackflow> gyles19: fs in fsck stands for file system. so you must train it at a filesystem, not at the whole disk
[20:47] <gyles19> Blackflow: filesystems can be planted on a block device, you don't have to have a partition table or partitions on the block device.  Old school unix admins know this and I use it a lot here.
[20:48] <leftyfb> gyles19: while that is true, why do it if it just complicates things?
[20:49] <Joe_from_next_do> gyles19: superfloppy!
[20:50] <lordcirth> The only reason I know to go superfloppy is ZFS, where apparently you get slightly better performance that way. But that's ok since ZFS itself allows splitting filesystems, etc
[20:50] <gyles19> Simplifies things when you're dealing with vm virtual disks.
[20:51] <lordcirth> I suppose it does make some sense in VMs, but I don't think it's worth breaking Principle of Least Surprise.
[20:51] <Joe_from_next_do> I don't think there should be slightly better performance that way. Because a partition table doesn't affect performance, just layout. But correct that there's also no particular reason to use a partition table on a non-root disk entirely dedicated to btrfs or zfs
[20:51] <blackflow> gyles19: oh yes, I know, just saying that the target of fsck must be a filesystem, it shouldn't matter which device it's based on (a GPT partition, or straight on the drive)
[20:52] <Joe_from_next_do> For root disks you still want to have a partition layout for the boot loader
[20:52] <lordcirth> Joe_from_next_do, it normally doesn't, but ZFS does some low-level trickery that is only safe if it knows nothing could be concurrently writing to the same drive. So it only enables those tweaks if it has the whole disk.
[20:52] <blackflow> Joe_from_next_do: actually there is one. you want to underprovision it in case you replace the drive with another, rated same but actually smaller number of sectors
[20:52] <blackflow> so in essence, ZFS will implicitly GPT partition the drive if you don't.  So, why not be explicit about it and have full control.
[20:53] <Joe_from_next_do> Ah I see
[20:53] <blackflow> lordcirth: ZFS will implicitly create GPT layout if you give whole drive in the vdev
[20:53] <lordcirth> blackflow, oh really? interesting.
[20:54] <lordcirth> One less reason, then :P
[20:55] <Joe_from_next_do> Off-topic, I don't think macOS recognises even FAT superfloppies so for years I've always put a partition table on even small flash drives.
[20:55] <lordcirth> why so it does, just checked
[20:56] <gyles19> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/50093
[20:56] <gyles19> Nuts. Ignore that.  wrong tab.
[21:24] <OerHeks> сделать Ubuntu великим
[21:37] <Zewwy> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/09/install-ffmpeg-3-1-ubuntu-16-04-ppa/
[21:37] <Zewwy> is this still relivent?
[21:37] <Zewwy> if i want to use Hardware acceleration on Shinobi?
[21:40] <Zewwy> ffmpeg version 3.4.4-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 Copyright (c) 2000-2018 the FFmpeg develop                                                                                                                                                             ers
[21:40] <Zewwy> I guess I have pretty close to the latest
[21:41] <Zewwy> https://medium.com/@ShinobiSystems/adding-a-gpu-card-does-it-help-51d00ba4b619
[21:41] <Zewwy> huh... I think it's been merged into the main branch already..
[21:47] <Zewwy> like if you going to make a claim it cane work, at the very least take one exaple video card, and show you made it work, instead of writing a blog post saying some other fourm sites are wrong on the matter
[21:47] <Zewwy> DO IT! show it working... argggg
[21:48] <leftyfb> Zewwy: feel free to chat/rant in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[21:54] <ph88> hey guys, ffmpeg installed from ubuntu repo doesnt have nvenv support. What are my options to get nvenc support?
[21:55] <woenx> hey people. Is it normal that there are two different file browsers in Ubuntu 18.04, one if it's started from the launcher, and another if it's started from a folder in the desktop?
[21:55] <woenx> the one launched from the desktop is Nemo.
[21:55] <woenx> and the other one it just say "Files"
[21:57] <DreamPCS> Good afternoon (or whatever it is) guys!
[21:57] <leftyfb> woenx: that's because you're not running stock ubuntu. You're running Cinnamon which installs nemo
[21:58] <woenx> leftyfb, no, Ubuntu with gnome desktop environment
[21:58] <woenx> from a fresh install
[21:58] <DreamPCS> Hey, so hopefully you guys can help me with a quick question. I have / and /home on two different partitions on the same drive. Can I resize them without mounting issues?
[21:58] <leftyfb> woenx: you did something you install nemo. It does not get installed by default.
[21:58] <woenx> of course, i installed it in january, and I've installed other software, so nemo must have came with some of it
[21:58] <leftyfb> DreamPCS: yes, use a live cd
[21:59] <OerHeks> "if it's started from a folder in the desktop?" .. so you downloaded nemo
[21:59] <DreamPCS> Ok cool, just wanted to make sure that fstab doesn't care where the partition starts.
[21:59] <woenx> ok, apparently blueman (the bluetooth manager) depends on nemo
[21:59] <DreamPCS> leftyfb: thanks!
[21:59] <woenx> is there a way to make it non-default?
[21:59] <leftyfb> OerHeks: when he double-clicks on an icon on the desktopp, it'll open the default file manager (nautilus). The cinnamon launcher is going to use nemo though
[22:00] <leftyfb> woenx: https://sites.google.com/site/installationubuntu/tweaking-ubuntu/change-default-filemanager   # found after googling for "ubuntu default file manager"
[22:01] <woenx> thanks leftyfb
[22:02] <Zewwy> dreamcat4: as mentioned you can use a live image (such as GParted Live) which will allow you do do that, but not on the system its currently running on if those partitions are already mounted
[22:02] <Zewwy> Sorry
[22:02] <Zewwy> meant that for DreamPC but he left
[22:02] <aldcor> hi! I am on 18.04. I downloaded Wine. I installed Counter-strike 1.6 and it won't launch.. loading cursor appears for about 10 secs and that's all
[22:03] <Zewwy> mhmm 1.6 such a classic
[22:03] <aldcor> yap
[22:03] <aldcor> really wana play :)
[22:03] <Zewwy> unfortunelly I have very lil experince or knowledge in uysing Wine :(
[22:03] <xamithan> Just play it on linux man
[22:03] <leftyfb> !wine | aldcor
[22:03] <xamithan> It runs native
[22:04] <aldcor> xamithan,  what do you mean? I am on Linux ubuntu ..
[22:04] <Zewwy> I'm assuming he has original exe files with a CD?
[22:04] <xamithan> I mean stop using wine and just install it on steam
[22:04] <qwebirc13343> Good evening all!
[22:04] <leftyfb> aldcor: Counter-strike is available of steam for linux. For help with wine, /join #winehq
[22:04] <OerHeks> steam+1
[22:05] <aldcor> xamithan, is it possible on steam for free?
[22:05] <Zewwy> I love steam, but it maybe he's could be trying to install an orignal version and do a local netplay
[22:05] <leftyfb> aldcor: no, it's $9.99
[22:05] <xamithan> No,  but many moons ago you could put your cd-key in and add it
[22:05] <Zewwy> what?
[22:05] <xamithan> Probably still can
[22:05] <Zewwy> They Made CS:Go free
[22:05] <Zewwy> but 1.6 is still $10
[22:05] <Zewwy> liek what?
[22:05] <qwebirc13343> I waI was wonderign whetehr I could get some support with 802.1x authentication on Ubuntu
[22:05] <aldcor> yes, I want to play it local with my buddies
[22:06] <leftyfb> aldcor: ok, good luck. You have 2 options available to you.
[22:06] <OerHeks> playonlinux scripts, still you get support in #winehq
[22:06] <OerHeks> have fun!
[22:07] <leftyfb> !register | Guest56657
[22:08] <aldcor> thank you
[22:08] <Zewwy> aldcor: good luck, i hope you succeed, 1.6 is a classic fun game
[22:09] <Zewwy> Still baffled CS:GO = free but CS 1.6 is not
[22:09] <gyles19> I'm hoping Satisfactory comes out for linux at some point.
[22:10] <calamari> In a multi-homed system, is there any way to set the Wi-Fi as the sole default route, even when there's also an Ethernet connection? I keep deleting the Ethernet route (route del), but it always gets put back. I'm assuming NM is doing it.
[22:10] <Zewwy> calamari: why not keep them on the same subnet using the same gateway/deafult route and set up priority
[22:11] <Zewwy> IMHO multi-homing an end device is terrible, but I come from networking side of things so I generally don't do it
[22:11] <leftyfb> calamari: set it in network manager
[22:12] <aldcor> anyway it's pretty silly that I must pay 10$ or the other option is messy guides, apps, scripts etc. to get some silly game running.. it should be waaay simpler. It's just cs 1.6
[22:13] <leftyfb> !ot | aldcor
[22:13] <leftyfb> aldcor: go to #winehq for help with games/apps on wine
[22:13] <aldcor> This is not related to ubuntu at all?
[22:13] <Sushi-san> My Steam Controller is not working with Ubuntu 18.04. Is this a known problem?
[22:14] <Zewwy> not at this point no
[22:14] <leftyfb> aldcor: it's not an ubuntu support question/issue
[22:14] <aldcor> how so? I have ubuntu and I want to play game on it
[22:14] <Zewwy> aldcor: Wine is a seperate application that can run on any flavour of linux
[22:14] <leftyfb> aldcor: then play the game available on steam. If you want help with wine, then go to #winehq
[22:14] <Zewwy> you just happen to be using Ubntu
[22:15] <aldcor> i see
[22:15] <Zewwy> Go to #winehq for help in reguards directly to wine
[22:15] <leftyfb> aldcor: we cannot be expected to support every windows game/app in wine. We are not wine specialists. That is what #winehq is for
[22:15] <tomreyn> aldcor: we only support packages (and maybe snaps) which are officially supported by canonical and the community here.
[22:15] <aldcor> you dont have to send me to that channel again and again.. I am already on winehq waiting for an answer :)
[22:15] <Zewwy> lol
[22:16] <Zewwy> then wait patiently :D
[22:16] <aldcor> i am :)
[22:16] <Zewwy> Sushi-san: not sure
[22:17] <Zewwy> I don't even know if there's like a dedicated "supported" peripherals page as their are so many USB based peripherals
[22:17] <tomreyn> Sushi-san: you can check your system log, maybe it has some info on it: journalctl -b
[22:17] <Zewwy> it be impossible
[22:17] <leftyfb> Sushi-san: https://steamcommunity.com/app/353370/discussions/1/1696046976476695218/  # first result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 steam controller"
[22:18] <Zewwy> This is why i use Steam on windows
[22:18] <daemon> hey all I am trying to install ubuntu-server and hitting this error in the installer: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkvwG6Qrk79x7AOySwWOJ9SyG0MJ
[22:18] <Zewwy> It just works
[22:18] <daemon> what do I need to do to get around it
[22:18] <Zewwy> thats an odd link
[22:18] <Sushi-san> Excellent, that worked perfectly! Thank you, leftyfb
[22:19] <leftyfb> daemon: redownload the ubuntu 18.04 server iso from ubuntu.com and flash to your usb/cd
[22:19] <daemon> Zewwy, just ms onedrive
[22:19] <daemon> leftyfb, that is a SHA match for the LSB
[22:19] <aldcor> leftyfb, my comment regarding games on Ubuntu was to point out that those old silly games should be made easy to play. It's user-friendly approach.
[22:19] <Zewwy> ohhh neat, I never used one drive
[22:19] <aldcor> *easy to install
[22:20] <leftyfb> aldcor: this is a support channel. #ubuntu-offtopic is for ranting
[22:20] <Zewwy> aldcor: that requires somne to support it
[22:20] <Zewwy> and that means work
[22:20] <leftyfb> daemon: redownload the ubuntu 18.04 server iso from ubuntu.com and flash to your usb/cd
[22:20] <daemon> leftyfb, there is no media this is a VM and it matches the sha provided by the website
[22:20] <Zewwy> what you mean no media?
[22:20] <leftyfb> daemon: what is the filename of the iso you're using?
[22:20] <Zewwy> you must have mounted the ISO in your VM for it to install
[22:21] <daemon>  /venv/media/ubuntu-18.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[22:21] <daemon> SHA256 (/venv/media/ubuntu-18.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso) = ea6ccb5b57813908c006f42f7ac8eaa4fc603883a2d07876cf9ed74610ba2f53
[22:22] <leftyfb> daemon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.2/release/ubuntu-18.04.2-server-amd64.iso
[22:22] <tomreyn> what kind of virtualization are you usiung there?
[22:22] <leftyfb> use that one instead
[22:22] <daemon> tomreyn, bhyve
[22:22] <daemon> cheers leftyfb will give it a whirl
[22:23] <Zewwy> what the heck is bhyve
[22:23] <leftyfb> daemon: if it works, I would ask you file a big against the subiquity installer
[22:23] <Zewwy> file a big?
[22:23] <tomreyn> daemon: i think someone else (or you?) ran into unexplicable errors trying to run ubuntu in this virtualization before.
[22:23] <daemon> tomreyn, the weird ipv6 thing yep
[22:23] <leftyfb> Zewwy: please stop with the commentary
[22:23] <daemon> with something cloud
[22:24] <Zewwy> ok, or don't educate me
[22:24] <daemon> tomreyn, infacgt I followed my own video to install it just now
[22:24] <daemon> tomreyn, why I was so confused on the failure
[22:25] <tomreyn> daemon: i don't recall what was the issue last time. but you may have hit another shortcoming of the virtualization here.
[22:25] <tomreyn> after all, this image works in most others.
[22:25] <leftyfb> Zewwy: http://bhyve.org/  # 2nd google result for "bhyve"
[22:25] <daemon> tomreyn, the issue last time was my parent was actually advertising ipv6 incorrectly ;)
[22:25] <daemon> it picked it up on the vnet
[22:25] <Zewwy> I get taht, but what is file a big agaist?
[22:25] <daemon> but it installed faultless
[22:25] <calamari> Zewwy: There are corporate things going on with the networking that may only have political, rather than rational reasons... basically the wireless connection is where I can do most of my work, and the ethernet is good for printing and a couple intranet things
[22:26] <Zewwy> calamari: Ahh gotcha thanks
[22:26] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I'm suggesting a possible issue with the subiquity installer ... being all new and all
[22:26] <tomreyn> daemon: i see. you can get the full error log from the installer, post it to the ubuntu pastbin, then we can take a closer look.
[22:26] <daemon> tomreyn, that was actually the post of 'full error log'
[22:26] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i think i know most of them by now, but surte, there can always be more ;)
[22:26] <calamari> leftyfb: how do I set it in network manager? I figured out how to add routes, but I didn't see an option to delete
[22:27] <leftyfb> tomreyn: you didn't know about the one with cloud-init ;)
[22:27] <tomreyn> daemon: you posted a screen shot, did i miss another post?
[22:27] <leftyfb> calamari: "use this connection only for resources on its network"
[22:27] <leftyfb> calamari: that will prevent it from setting a default toute
[22:27] <leftyfb> route*
[22:28] <calamari> leftyfb: I'll try it, thanks
[22:28] <tomreyn> leftyfbtrue :)
[22:29] <daemon> tomreyn, no that was all I got
[22:29] <daemon> tomreyn, its kinda hard to do much over rs-232
[22:30] <Zewwy> daemon: I neverheard of this hypervisor before, seems neat that it is based on BSD, is there any benifits vs others liek Linux KVM, VMwares ESXi, or MS Hyper-V?
[22:30] <daemon> Zewwy, in my honest opinion having tried most hypervisors at this point, weird and wonderful the two I often use are hyper-v and bhyve depending on the project
[22:30] <Zewwy> mhmm intersting
[22:31] <Zewwy> I copuldn't stand Hyper-v as configuing a vlan right from the console was not possible
[22:31] <Zewwy> and havign limited ports
[22:31] <daemon> but hyper-v is a bit unfair as ms wrote specific virtualization drivers for freebsd
[22:31] <Zewwy> that bugge dme
[22:31] <daemon> so it likely has an unfair benchmarking advantage on that platform
[22:31] <leftyfb> can we stay on topic please?
[22:31] <Zewwy> probably classic MS
[22:31] <Zewwy> sorry
[22:31] <Zewwy> im out
[22:31] <daemon> leftyfb, tomreyn I apologise I am unsure who suggested the non live ISO, its working perfectly
[22:32] <leftyfb> daemon: I did
[22:32] <Zewwy> daemon: it is better IMHO
[22:32] <Zewwy> I had ... other issues with the live installer :P
[22:32] <leftyfb> Zewwy: please stop
[22:32] <daemon> leftyfb, thank you once again, what a curious problem though
[22:32] <Zewwy> ohj Im not allowed to share my personal experiences with Ubntu's insatller?
[22:32] <daemon> I would assume they was based around the same core
[22:33] <leftyfb> daemon: feel free to help out and file a bug against subiquity
[22:33] <leftyfb> daemon: It's a new installer that uses the cloud image as opposed to a D-I install
[22:34] <daemon> leftyfb, I presume its here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity if so I will throw a quick video together to show exactly whats happening with as much detail as I can provide I imagine its related to me using rs-232 I should connect a VNC/gfx adapter to it and try thatas well
[22:34] <leftyfb> daemon: thank you
[22:35] <daemon> leftyfb, interestingly last time I was here there was that init issue with cloud services and now you mention the live installer uses a cloud backer ...
[22:36] <leftyfb> daemon: it has the option to use cloud-init after install. Though it doesn't rely on it too much for the default install.
[22:36] <emma> HOLAA
[22:36] <LinuxTabletUser> Hola:-)
[22:36] <emma> COMO ESTAN
[22:37] <LinuxTabletUser> !eol
[22:37] <daemon> leftyfb, ah I see, I just thought it was an off co-incidence
[22:37] <LinuxTabletUser> !esm
[22:37] <leftyfb> LinuxTabletUser: can we help you with something?
[22:37] <LinuxTabletUser> ubottu:!lts
[22:37] <leftyfb> !es | emma
[22:38] <leftyfb> LinuxTabletUser: do you have a support question?
[22:38] <LinuxTabletUser> 14.04 Ltd eol
[22:38] <LinuxTabletUser> *lts
[22:38] <leftyfb> LinuxTabletUser: not yet, no. Next month
[22:39] <LinuxTabletUser> The
[22:39] <LinuxTabletUser> Thx
[22:40] <Lionyx> Hello. I have lxdm running as a login manager and when I log in my touchpad mouse works ok. But when I launch startx it does not. How do i track where lxdm puts it's xorg config?
[22:41] <leftyfb> Lionyx: what version of ubuntu are you running where you need to run startx to get the desktop to run?
[22:41] <Lionyx> i am using gallium os actually
[22:41] <Lionyx> basetd on xbuntu
[22:41] <leftyfb> Lionyx: ok, that is unsupported here. Please seek support from gallium
[22:41] <emma> JOIN UBUNTU
[22:41] <leftyfb> emma: do you have a support question?
[22:42] <emma> QUIEN QUIERE SER MI AMIGO
[22:42] <leftyfb> !es | emma
[22:44] <leftyfb> emma: Este es un canal de soporte. Por favor / únase a # ubuntu-offtopic para chatear con otros en la comunidad. Este canal habla solo en inglés.
[22:44] <daemon> leftyfb, fully booted and working I will file a note saying that in reality on the download page it should be hinted to use the non-live installer for VM
[22:45] <leftyfb> daemon: the bug should be files against the subiquity installer
[22:46] <daemon> leftyfb, the bug may take some work to track down, in the intrim however it would take almost no time for them to make a note on the downloads page and yes I will deffinatly file the bug
[22:46] <leftyfb> daemon: that isn't going to happen without a bug report
[22:48] <daemon> leftyfb, I will file a bug report! :) I have the very form open, I will link you when its there
[22:51] <tomreyn> daemon: i think the default server ("live") installer is so far considered to work fine (despite of several bugs, some of which are critical, but nnot virutalization specific) in the common virtualization environments. suggesting that it should not be used in those will probably need some kind of reasoning.
[22:52] <daemon> tomreyn, 'If you have trouble with the live installer you should try the non-live installer <x>, you should likely use the non-live installer in more niche enviroments as standard'
[22:52] <tomreyn> even over a serial connection you should be able to upload the log file, unless you're trying to install without an internet connection, in which case this installer is not going to work anyways (there's a workaround, though, IIRC).
[22:53] <tomreyn> daemon: i agree this is factually and technically correct. i also doubt this would pass the marketing department. :)
[22:54] <daemon> :-)
[22:54] <tomreyn> but that's not something we should concern ourselves with
[23:05] <eriol> lol
[23:06] <eriol> lvr
[23:06] <eriol> alv
[23:06] <eriol> c mamo
[23:06] <eriol> help
[23:06] <eriol> xdxd
[23:07] <eriol> quien esta activo
[23:07] <eriol> ¿?
[23:08] <leftyfb> !es | eriol
[23:09] <eriol> ?
[23:11] <eriol> . . .
[23:14] <gyles19> Just ask your question, Eriol.
[23:15] <[rg]> can apt hold back a package? or only apt-get?
[23:16] <tomreyn> [rg]: can you calify "hold back"?
[23:16] <tomreyn> *clarify
[23:16] <OerHeks> pinning?
[23:16] <gyles19> rj, as I understand it, apt-mark hold packagename] is the process.  It's what I use, anyway.
[23:16] <tomreyn> i expect either to not update or remove packages marked 'hold'
[23:17] <[rg]> e.g an ew package upgraade is available, I want to upgrade other packages, but no that one
[23:17] <[rg]> conversly, can I upgrade a single package?
[23:17] <[rg]> ok so apt mark
[23:17] <gyles19> rg: sure, just apt install singlepackage
[23:17] <gyles19> and/or apt-mark hold oldpackage, then apt upgrade
[23:17] <[rg]> ah
[23:18] <[rg]> thanks
[23:18] <gyles19> yw
[23:18] <[rg]> is there documentation somewhere about the package history format?
[23:18] <gyles19> "package history format?"
[23:19] <[rg]> yeah, i want to be able to make a script that lists manually installed packages and their dependencies
[23:19] <gyles19> rg: apt-mark showmanual will list all manually installed packages for you.
[23:21] <[rg]> i see a bunch off stuff I havent installed...
[23:21] <gyles19> rg: I don't think apt (the wrapper) will show deps and rdps.  I use apt-cache depends somepackage and apt-cache rdepends somepackage for that.  Or you can install and use aptitude, it makes browsing dependencies a lot easier.
[23:21] <gyles19> rg: I believe the extra packages you're seeing were planted by the original installer.
[23:23] <[rg]> ok, why do they mark it as manual, do you know?
[23:24] <[rg]> and I use synaptic, which seems similar
[23:24] <gyles19> rg: As I understand it, stuff marked 'manual' is only allowed to be removed manually.  stuff marked 'auto' can be removed by 'autoremove'.
[23:24] <tomreyn> some packages are integral to ubuntu, should not be removed, those will be set to manually installed, too.
[23:24] <gyles19> rg: you woudn't want apt-get autoremove deinstalling your kernel packages, for example.
[23:26] <[rg]> oh i see
[23:26] <[rg]> yeah that would be bad
[23:26] <tomreyn> oir dpkg, or apt-get
[23:26] <tomreyn> or glibc
[23:27] <gyles19> or ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-server, which one of my fool newhires managed to do yesterday using aptitude.
[23:27] <[rg]> lol
[23:27] <[rg]> hire me instead 8-)
[23:27] <tomreyn> those are just meta packages, removing them should not do immediate harm
[23:28] <calamari> there's nothing wrong with removing ubuntu-standard
[23:28] <gyles19> Tomreyn, whatever he did flagged 90% of installed packages for deinstall, and when unattended-upgrades ran that night, the vm self-destructed.
[23:28] <tomreyn> well, that's unfortunate.
[23:28] <[rg]> see, looking at logs, i notice some fields like requested by appear
[23:29] <gyles19> Aptitude flagged everything for removal, not just the one meta package.
[23:29] <tomreyn> you shouldn't be using aptitude nowadays.
[23:29] <gyles19> rg: which log are you looking at?
[23:29] <gyles19> I detest aptitude and don't installer it anywhere.  Another admin installed it and the newhire found it.
[23:29] <[rg]> var/log/apt/history.log
[23:30] <[rg]> however I notice, packages listed my not be in order installed
[23:30] <[rg]> thats why I am curios to official format
[23:31] <[rg]> oh wait
[23:32] <tomreyn> history.log lists actions requested, not actions taken, those are logged in term.log (same directory).
[23:32] <[rg]> maybe you still can
[23:33] <[rg]> seems only automatic gets flagged, order is still dubious
[23:33] <[rg]> tomreyn: term.log?
[23:33] <tomreyn> [rg]: yes?
[23:34] <[rg]> ok, cool
[23:34] <gyles19> Well, as that log grows like any other log, newest actions will be at the tail of the log file.
[23:35] <[rg]> gyles19: i am thinking of the order when a bunch of packages are installed at once
[23:35] <gyles19> The Requested-By: is when someone uses sudo to run the apt command that wrote to the log.
[23:35] <gyles19> rg: for that look in /var/log/dpkg.log*
[23:35] <gyles19> rg: and possibly in /var/log/installer/*
[23:36] <tomreyn> /var/log/installer/ is the initial installation
[23:37] <[rg]> dpkg.log is the same
[23:38] <[rg]> but i may have enough information for my script :)
[23:39] <sudo18> lo
[23:40] <[rg]> gday
[23:40] <sudo18> aussie?
[23:40] <[rg]> nope, canada
[23:40] <[rg]> just like saying that :P
[23:41] <sudo18> my birth mother was born in windsor ont.
[23:41] <sudo18> so, i'm half right?
[23:42] <[rg]> yeah
[23:42] <sudo18> k. just checking
[23:42] <[rg]> ngl wish I was in australia rn
[23:43] <[rg]> fun place to be
[23:43] <sudo18> why? that place is full of felons
[23:43] <tomreyn> please move any non support chat elsewhere, such as #ubuntu-offtopic. thanks.
[23:43] <[rg]> sorry
[23:43] <sudo18> aye aye captain chat
[23:44] <tomreyn> it's not a rule i just made up, see /topic
[23:44] <sudo18> i'll get right on it.
[23:52] <guiverc> !ot
[23:59] <anibic> !help