[07:57] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:00] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN, ça va?
[08:03] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:03] <oSoMoN> bien dormi, donc ça va :) et toi?
[08:09] <jibel> oSoMoN, bien bien merci
[08:15] <duflu> Salut oSoMoN, jibel
[08:15] <oSoMoN> salut duflu
[08:16] <oSoMoN> making French the default language in Ubuntu, one step at a time…
[08:24] <duflu> jibel, would we have stats on language prefs?
[08:25]  * duflu isn't suggesting changing the default but is just curious
[08:30] <jibel> Hi duflu
[08:30] <jibel> yes we do
[08:30] <duflu> Oh, yes, https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics
[08:30] <jibel> IIRC it's published somewhere on ubuntu.com
[08:31] <jibel> yes this one
[08:32] <clobrano> good morning o/
[08:33] <duflu> Morning clobrano
[08:33] <clobrano> :) it looks like Italians are not Ubuntu enough :(
[08:38] <willcooke> morning jibel duflu clobrano
[08:39] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:39] <duflu> clobrano, I wonder when that value is sampled? Maybe people change languages later if they're comfortable with an English installation process
[08:41] <oSoMoN> good morning clobrano, willcooke
[08:43] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[08:47] <clobrano> duflu: indeed, in fact I always use english language :D
[08:48] <clobrano> duflu: but users from Italy are 2.8%, while italian language is 2%, so quite close (unless language percentage is rounded)
[08:56] <jibel> Hi willcooke
[08:57] <jibel> duflu, it's a installation time, we have no way to know when then poeple change languages
[09:02] <Laney> ello
[09:04] <seb128> good morning Laney & desktopers
[09:04] <willcooke> hi seb128
[09:04] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:06] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:06] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you?
[09:07] <duflu> And good morning seb128
[09:07] <willcooke> hi seb128, sleepy today.  Trying to debug that snaps in the image issue until too late.  Drew a blank though
[09:07] <seb128> hey duflu
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, the snappy team should really own that one and do an installer themself imho, proxy debug doesn't make sense if they could trigger it locally
[09:08] <willcooke> yeah thats what we've said now
[09:14] <seb128> kenvandine, jbicha, unsure who maintains the glade-master snaps but the list got a build failure 'cp: cannot stat '../src/data/icons/hicolor/256x256/apps/glade.png': No such file or directory'
[10:50] <seb128> bigon, hey, do you have any idea about the firewalld autopkgtest current failures (in the ebtables test), see https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-disco/disco/amd64/f/firewalld/20190212_123707_5a319@/log.gz
[10:50] <seb128> unsure if I read the log correctly but
[10:50] <seb128> --p IPv6 --ip6-proto udp --ip6-sport ! 12345 -j DROP
[10:50] <seb128> +-p IPv6 --ip6-proto udp ! --ip6-sport 12345 -j DROP
[10:50] <seb128> is that just an order or argument issue?
[11:00] <seb128> bigon, could be https://github.com/firewalld/firewalld/issues/469 I guess
[11:00] <gitbot> firewalld issue 469 in firewalld "firewall-cmd --reload fails on debian buster with nft" [Closed]
[11:24] <seb128> ignore that, this one was in a previous log and fixed in current try
[11:31] <seb128> bigon, k, I think I see what the problem is, ipset needs to be updated for the new kernel, going to poke at that
[11:33] <Laney> seb128: does that fix the 63 test too?
[11:33] <seb128> 63?
[11:33] <seb128> ah
[11:34] <seb128> probably not
[11:35] <Laney> got a new kernel i guess?
[11:35] <seb128> yes, we got 5.0 when it started to fail
[11:35] <seb128> which fixied the upstream bug I mentioned before
[11:35] <seb128> but broke ipset
[11:35] <seb128> and is also missing nf_nat_proto_gre apparently
[11:42] <jbicha> kenvandine: I believe I fixed the glade-amster snap mentioned above ^
[11:43] <seb128> hey jbicha, thx
[11:48] <seb128> Laney, so yeah, https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/?id=5cbabeec
[11:49]  * seb128 keeps poking
[11:52] <Laney> good find
[13:15] <kenvandine> jbicha: thanks!  Renamed icon again?
[13:29] <willcooke> clobrano, Someone raised a good point on the snapcraft forum:
[13:29] <willcooke> https://snapforum.s3.amazonaws.com/original/2X/6/6db33b0da7456be46210985f939a0e2040284e6b.jpg
[13:30] <willcooke> (well that's the image they were talking about)
[13:30] <willcooke> The icon on the launcher with an arrow pointing down, and the icon on the desktop with an arrow pointing up and right - do they same thing.
[13:30] <willcooke> Should we use the same icon / change the direction of the arrow
[13:31] <clobrano> willcooke: yep, we noticed that overlapping, but they haven't the same meaning
[13:31] <clobrano> willcooke: grey arrow is simply the symlink emblem
[13:32] <clobrano> is applied automatically to the icon
[13:32] <willcooke> ahhhh
[13:32] <willcooke> I see it now
[13:33] <clobrano> willcooke: we decided "no more fake emblems on icons" as well as "no more fake progress bar" :D
[13:33] <willcooke> so the overlay arrow will go away?
[13:33] <clobrano> I agree that's misleading
[13:34] <clobrano> I don't know if we have time, I think we need to redesign the icon
[13:34] <willcooke> np
[13:34] <clobrano> (time before UI freeze)
[13:34] <willcooke> not urgent
[13:34] <willcooke> it can wait IMO
[13:34] <clobrano> willcooke: okay
[13:34] <willcooke> thanks clobrano
[13:34] <clobrano> willcooke: I'll pass the info though, Stuart will be more than happy to fix it
[13:34] <willcooke> thank you!
[13:35] <clobrano> you're welcome
[13:35] <willcooke> Sorry to ping you about this, that's lazy of me
[13:35] <willcooke> but ya
[13:35] <willcooke> *ya know
[13:38] <willcooke> seb128, I found a bug in the slideshow.  One of the screenshots says 2018 instead of 2019
[13:39] <clobrano> willcooke: ahah, no problem, that's was easy
[13:39] <clobrano> *that was
[13:39] <willcooke> :)
[13:52] <jibel> tseliot, I proposed https://github.com/tseliot/ubuntu-drivers-common/pull/30 . I had to change the fake archive to teach it what are free/non-free packages. I ran it on amd64 and i386, let me know if it fails on other archs.
[13:52] <gitbot> tseliot issue (Pull request) 30 in ubuntu-drivers-common "Free only drivers" [Open]
[13:53] <jibel> tseliot, while I am on it are you interested in code validation tests and fixing code style?
[13:59] <willcooke> seb128, I pushed a new revision to my branch:  https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/revision/841
[13:59] <willcooke> should I open a new bug about it?
[14:12] <seb128> willcooke, don't bother about a new bug, I can just merge that
[14:16] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[14:17] <seb128> kenvandine, did you see my comments about gnome-characters yesterday evening? did that help or was that as much as you had laready figured out?
[14:17] <kenvandine> i haven't looked at it again
[14:17] <kenvandine> been trying to figure out this snapd issue
[14:18] <seb128> yeah
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, well, fc-list doesn't list noto emoji so it's down to that level at least
[14:18] <seb128> (or I did my testing wrong)
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, feel free to leave it to me if there is no hurry, I will resume that debug later or tomorrow
[14:19] <kenvandine> seb128: that would be great
[14:19] <seb128> deal then :)
[14:19] <kenvandine> i probably won't get back to it today anyway
[14:19] <kenvandine> i have icon issues to deal with as well as stressing over this snapd issue :/
[14:27] <seb128> hey robert_ancell?!
[14:37] <willcooke> somone left their laptop on after the all hands
[14:44] <jdstrand> seb128: hey, I'm sorry to bother you. the new alt+tab behvior in disco, is that only in the ubuntu session or is it something I can play with in the gnome session?
[14:44] <jdstrand> maybe a dconf entry?
[14:45] <jdstrand> or a tweak? I didn't see it there. let me check that again
[14:50] <willcooke> jdstrand, you can change the key bindings
[14:50] <willcooke> or try super-tab for the original way
[14:51] <seb128> jdstrand, we just inverted the keybinding for app and win switcher
[14:51] <seb128> jdstrand, super-tab should give you the disco one in bionic/cosmic
[14:51] <willcooke> Settings -> Device -> Keyboard
[14:51] <seb128> jdstrand, or you can change them as willcooke said
[14:51] <willcooke> look for app switcher and window switcher
[14:56] <jdstrand> hmm, they seem to do the same thing
[14:56]  * jdstrand looks at keybindings
[14:57] <willcooke> jdstrand, out of interest - do you find disco to be "faster" than Bionic?
[14:58] <jdstrand> willcooke: it's been a while. I can say I have no complaints thus far. notifications was the most underperforming bit for me historically, cause I use aa-notify and do a lot of profiling so the apparmor denials would cue up in the hundreds or more
[15:02] <willcooke> jdstrand, got ya, thx
[15:13] <seb128> tkamppeter, bug #1813825 could you look at the duplex thing on the current comment?
[15:14] <jdstrand> oh, weird, Switch Windows was listed as Disabled and Switch Applications as Super+Tab, but functionally Alt+Tab did the same thing
[15:14] <jdstrand> now I know how to adjust it so I'm good
[15:19] <willcooke> hm
[15:21] <willcooke> I assume you upgraded early jdstrand
[15:21] <willcooke> I'll need to check upgrades for that
[15:25] <tseliot> jibel: sure
[15:32] <jdstrand> willcooke: I upgraded as soon as I got home from Cape Town based on our conversation :) I didn't realize it was a simple keyboard shortcut. that's fine, it has been handy running disco for other reasons
[15:35] <clobrano> for some reason tilix does not work with gtkinspector only on Ubuntu (tested on fedora, it works), does anyone have an idea why?
[16:09] <clobrano> uhm, nope it works sorry :)
[16:15] <willcooke> \o/
[16:15] <willcooke> another problem fixed
[16:16] <clobrano> ahahah
[18:28] <willcooke> Toggling the over amplification knob makes the slider go from a round pointy bit to an arrow pointy bit.  Is that expected?
[19:39] <willcooke> night all