[04:30] * OvenWerks should download one :) [15:29] Eickmeyer: /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/ has xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml [15:30] OvenWerks: Okay, heading out to get my son to school. Willl check when I get back, but, tbh, I've never had a problem. [15:32] Eickmeyer: I think that device 1 or device 0 used to be the same as @DEFAULT_SINK@ but at some point that changed. [15:33] anyway I will keep writing here... you can read when you get back ;) [15:35] Actually I won't be able to do much as I have an appointment right away. [15:37] The general thing is that the shortcut should run: pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ -1 [15:37] and pactl [15:38] and: pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +1 [15:40] if you use settings->keyboard->application shortcuts to set it, then you should find the line to add to the above file in /etc in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/ [15:40] gotta go. [15:52] OvenWerks: When you get back, it appears that we don't have anything in the keyboard shortcuts that's not different from the default keyboard shortcuts in xfce, and my settings in ~/.config/... don't show any different, so we already have the shortcuts set properly. [16:03] OvenWerks: By the way, if that Chris guy refuses to take our support advice, I might eject him from the room because 1) what's the point of being in a support room if you're not going to take it, and 2) we don't want him spreading bad advice. [16:18] Eickmeyer: he can apt remove ubuntustudio-controls... [16:18] He did. [16:19] But, I'd rather he fix the problem or find the bug than take such a drastic view. He didn't understand that -controls doesn't display the exact state of the audio configuration. He was assuming that since the box was checked that Jack was still running.. [16:20] Without checking anything else, such as qjackctl which would show if it was still running. [16:26] Eickmeyer: it was obvious to me that he has no understanding of low latency audio. [16:26] And that's one reason why I'm worried he'll give bad advice. [16:27] Eickmeyer: anyway, as part of the next my next work on -controls I will remove the checkbox for start jack at session start. and replace it with a jack is running LED or indicator. [16:28] OvenWerks: That's a great idea. No rush on that, but I think 19.10 would be a good target. [16:28] He said he has "low latency" hw... and so doewsn't need jack ??! [16:28] OvenWerks: Yeah. smh [16:29] Not only that, he has a USB device, so not that low latency. [16:29] Not without Jack. [16:30] Maybe ASIO or CoreAudio works with it better, but that applies to anything compared to Pulse. [16:30] even with jack, USB is minimum 1ms one way just to run and twice that for no xruns if everything is set right [16:30] Right. Low latency, not no latency. [16:31] windows is worse, CoreAudio better out of the box [16:31] Windows hides things... they just have a latecny slider... if you get clicks try higher latency settings. [16:32] Are you talking about ASIO4All or just in general? [16:33] The mac hardware is (well used to be) better because they are much more careful about not tying all the USB ports together inside [16:33] Yeah, with Macs that went bye-bye as soon as they went to one single USB-C connector for everything. :P [16:34] just windows in general... the set of tweaks for windows to get good low latency opperation are not easy user settings... definately not and out of the box deal. [16:34] it went bye bye when Jobs did. [16:35] Yes. When Jobs went, that was it for Apple imho. [16:36] I could not find any lines in the kb shortcuts with a pactl line. I think we need to add one for vol controls. [16:37] anyway I won't be able to look at it till the next time my wife goes to work at the earliest. (so not today) [16:38] No hurry. [16:41] So two things for sure in -controls periods and jack indicator. [16:42] Actually three, -controls startup should remove PA config added by Cadence and remove the Cadence autostart file. [16:43] Then it would not matter if Cadence is also installed. (may have to stop the autostarted Cadence as well) [16:52] Yep. [16:53] I have to fix some stuff in Carla as well, in terms of packaging. It's still hanging-out in the new queue. [21:07] Removing this page after 16.04 EOL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation