[04:30]  * OvenWerks should download one :)
[15:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/ has xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Okay, heading out to get my son to school. Willl check when I get back, but, tbh, I've never had a problem.
[15:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think that device 1 or device 0 used to be the same as @DEFAULT_SINK@ but at some point that changed.
[15:33] <OvenWerks> anyway I will keep writing here... you can read when you get back ;)
[15:35] <OvenWerks> Actually I won't be able to do much as I have an appointment right away.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> The general thing is that the shortcut should run: pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ -1
[15:37] <OvenWerks> and pactl 
[15:38] <OvenWerks> and: pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +1
[15:40] <OvenWerks> if you use settings->keyboard->application shortcuts  to set it, then you should find the line to add to the above file in /etc in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/
[15:40] <OvenWerks> gotta go.
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: When you get back, it appears that we don't have anything in the keyboard shortcuts that's not different from the default keyboard shortcuts in xfce, and my settings in ~/.config/... don't show any different, so we already have the shortcuts set properly.
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: By the way, if that Chris guy refuses to take our support advice, I might eject him from the room because 1) what's the point of being in a support room if you're not going to take it, and 2) we don't want him spreading bad advice.
[16:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: he can apt remove ubuntustudio-controls...
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> He did.
[16:19] <Eickmeyer> But, I'd rather he fix the problem or find the bug than take such a drastic view. He didn't understand that -controls doesn't display the exact state of the audio configuration. He was assuming that since the box was checked that Jack was still running..
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Without checking anything else, such as qjackctl which would show if it was still running.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it was obvious to me that he has no understanding of low latency audio.
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> And that's one reason why I'm worried he'll give bad advice.
[16:27] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: anyway, as part of the next my next work on -controls I will remove the checkbox for start jack at session start. and replace it with a jack is running LED or indicator.
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's a great idea. No rush on that, but I think 19.10 would be a good target.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> He said he has "low latency" hw... and so doewsn't need jack ??!
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah. smh
[16:29] <OvenWerks> Not only that, he has a USB device, so not that low latency.
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> Not without Jack.
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> Maybe ASIO or CoreAudio works with it better, but that applies to anything compared to Pulse.
[16:30] <OvenWerks> even with jack, USB is minimum 1ms one way just to run and twice that for no xruns if everything is set right
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> Right. Low latency, not no latency.
[16:31] <OvenWerks> windows is worse, CoreAudio better out of the box
[16:31] <OvenWerks> Windows hides things... they just have a latecny slider... if you get clicks try higher latency settings.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> Are you talking about ASIO4All or just in general?
[16:33] <OvenWerks> The mac hardware is (well used to be) better because they are much more careful about not tying all the USB ports together inside
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, with Macs that went bye-bye as soon as they went to one single USB-C connector for everything. :P
[16:34] <OvenWerks> just windows in general... the set of tweaks for windows to get good low latency opperation are not easy user settings... definately not and out of the box deal.
[16:34] <OvenWerks> it went bye bye when Jobs did.
[16:35] <Eickmeyer> Yes. When Jobs went, that was it for Apple imho.
[16:36] <OvenWerks> I could not find any lines in the kb shortcuts with a pactl line. I think we need to add one for vol controls.
[16:37] <OvenWerks> anyway I won't be able to look at it till the next time my wife goes to work at the earliest. (so not today)
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> No hurry.
[16:41] <OvenWerks> So two things for sure in -controls periods and jack indicator.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> Actually three, -controls startup should remove PA config added by Cadence and remove the Cadence autostart file.
[16:43] <OvenWerks> Then it would not matter if Cadence is also installed. (may have to stop the autostarted Cadence as well)
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> I have to fix some stuff in Carla as well, in terms of packaging. It's still hanging-out in the new queue.
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> Removing this page after 16.04 EOL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation