[04:55] <lotuspsychje> !info gimp
[09:29] <erle-> I have to make a suggestion regarding the installer (I just tried the daily Disco image) (please note that this is not a personal complaint, I made backups and all before trying alpha software)
[09:30] <erle-> I used the graphical installer from live CD session and wanted to install on an external USB drive
[09:30] <erle-> I selected manual partitioning and created only one partition on that external drive
[09:30] <erle-> I double checked that no other partition in the list had a mount point
[09:31] <erle-> now two things happened that should not happen at all
[09:31] <erle-> 1st: the installer mounted an internal partition to /boot/efi and overwrote stuff
[09:31] <erle-> without asking
[09:31] <erle-> 2nd: the installer created a swap file, without asking
[09:32] <erle-> both should not happen if no «automatic» option was chosen by the user
[09:32] <erle-> there could be warnings that there should be swap etc., but it should not create it without asking
[09:32] <erle-> (it means for example that there are RAM pages on disk, even though the user consciously chose not to have swap exactly becuase he wanted to prevent that)
[09:34] <erle-> (I personally think that swap is questionable in the first place when laptops have 8 gigabytes or more of RAM, and noone uses suspend to disk any more and it should not be used in the first place because it will also result in memory pages on disk containing all kinds of sensitive stuff)
[09:51] <guiverc> erle-, have you put what you did & said here in a lp.bug.report?
[10:18] <erle-> not yet
[10:19] <erle-> this is not a bug in the sense of «does not work as specified», this is a choice of behavior where it has to be discussed first what the desired behavior is in the first place
[10:28] <guiverc> fair enough, to me it read as request-for-change which I felt a lp.bug report was approprirate, at least it's somewhere you record everything, the 'discussion' could then proceed elsewhere as well (eg. here, community hub if appropriate etc)
[10:55] <erle-> yes, I will file a bug soon when I got time
[10:55] <erle-> it can use any EFI partition that it finds, but it should tell the user or prompt for yes/no
[16:12] <dabbill> Any one have any ideas on how to track down why monitors are no longer going to sleep? I am running nVidia card, and fully up-to-date 19.04. 
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: energy settings correctly?
[18:00] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: I have been running 19.04 for about 4 - 5 weeks now, and it was just 3 days ago is stopped working
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: did you recall recent update that could have triggered it?
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: check dpkg logs perhaps?
[23:59] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: I think it might have been Nvidia update, or maybe the gnome settings update, but cannot find any errors that would point to what it is.