[12:58] <Peppep> Hi. I installed the latest development build with kernel 5.0.0.7, and am unable to login. After about a second after entering the password, I'm back at login
[12:59] <Peppep> Currently in tty3 to get weechat running, can anyone give any troubleshooting tips?
[12:59] <BluesKaj> try nomodeset
[12:59] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[13:01] <Peppep> Hmm, okay. I've actually used nomodeset before, but then I didn't get passed Grub, and I was under the impression that the Nvidia drivers would be carried over to the new install. Thanks!
[13:12] <Peppep> I tried nomodeset and nouveau.modeset=0, but I still couldn't log in
[13:19] <Peppep> And updating from nvidia-390 to nvidia-410 did not help. Are there any logs I could check to get some indication about the culprit?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Peppep, /var/log/syslog
[13:51] <Peppep> gsd-keyboard fatal io error 11, gsd-media-keys fatal io error 11 etc
[13:55] <Peppep> Unrecoverable failture in required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop. I know it's not much, and I'm trying to search other places, but I included a few of the errors here in case they are common and fixable
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Peppep, did you update and upgrade while in the VT/TTY?
[14:09] <Peppep> BluesKaj: The nvidia driver? Yes. Is that something I shouldn't do? :/
[14:11] <Peppep> But it doesn't seem to be running. When I do lshw c -video, the driver seems to be the Intel one for the integrated GPU (on Dell XPS 9560), not the Nvidia card
[14:11] <Peppep> running/loaded*
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Peppep, I sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade ..all packages
[14:13] <BluesKaj> meant
[14:13] <Peppep> Oh, yeah, I did that as well. There wasn't anything to upgrade
[14:13] <BluesKaj> bummer
[14:17] <BluesKaj> definitely a hardware problem alright, dunno if the 410 nvidia driver is the corect one for your gpu if the 390 was the recommended driver in ubuntu-drivers... try, sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[14:18] <Peppep> 390 was the recommended one for 18.10 I believe, when I ran "ubuntu-drivers devices" 410 was recommended
[14:18] <Peppep> On 19.04
[14:53] <Peppep> BluesKaj: Any other ideas? I'm close to reinstalling 18.10  now. :/
[14:55] <BluesKaj> did some googling, but couldn't find anything applicable Peppep ...maybe 18.10 will work for you, altho it's more buggy than 18.04LTS
[14:57] <Peppep> The only theory I have is that some of the customizations I did to GNOME on 18.10 is incompatible with 19.04. But I don't know if it could cause fatal errors like this
[14:57] <Peppep> Since a lot of the syslog messages are related to GNOME
[14:58] <BluesKaj> which gnome customizations, like tweak or themes or?
[15:00] <Peppep> Mostly dash to dock, alttab changes etc. And I updated dash to dock from v17 to v19 because they added GNOME 3.32 support, so that shouldn't be it. But I had like 5-6 extensions
[15:01] <BluesKaj> not a gnome user so that's not my strong suit
[15:09] <Peppep> Tried deleting .gnome and .config/dconf/user in case it's related to the manual config. Fingers crossed. Thanks for the patience in any case
[15:12]  * BluesKaj crosses fingers
[15:12] <Peppep> Re 18.04 vs 18.10... I upgraded from 18.10 which was stable for me. I had to do nomodeset and a few other fixes initially, and I had to restart the network-manager service a few times, but overall I was happy
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:12] <Peppep> But yeah, I could give 18.04LTS a shot in case it works perfectly out of the box
[15:12] <Peppep> Since it seems that I have to do a reinstall 
[15:13] <BluesKaj> it's more mature and it receives more devel attention 
[15:14] <Peppep> Yeah. Unfortunately I tend to run latest/beta versions of everything which sometimes causes hours and hours of troubleshooting like today :p 
[15:15] <Peppep> Android Beta, Chrome Dev, Ubuntu 19.04 etc etc. And I'm not developing for any of those platforms, so I don't really have a good reason, other than wanting to have the newest stuff all the time
[15:15] <BluesKaj> well, if you like more edge then by all means Peppep 
[15:17] <Peppep> In general, I do. But I'll use 18.04 until 19.04's official release. Then I'll do a live-boot before giving it another shot ;)
[15:18] <Peppep> Anyway, thanks again!
[15:18] <Peppep> BluesKaj++
[15:19] <Peppep> Hmm. Isn't there a karma system here? Crap
[15:19] <BluesKaj> hehe
[15:20] <Peppep> ;)
[15:21] <Peppep> loooooool
[15:21] <Peppep> After giving up
[15:21] <Peppep> Doing the final reboot
[15:21] <Peppep> It worked
[15:22] <Peppep> I'm officially on 19.04
[15:23] <BluesKaj> coolness!
[15:23] <tomreyn> being offficially on 19.04 is unlikely at this date, unless you can time travel
[15:24] <tomreyn> (but i'm glad you succeeded in fixing this issue)
[15:31] <Peppep> I'm not on official 19.04, I'm officially on (a) 19.04 (build)
[15:31] <Peppep> ;)
[15:31] <tomreyn> cool :) just making sure you're aware
[15:35] <Peppep> Oh, I'm way too aware, just spent hours troubleshooting since there's basically no possibilities of finding anyone else with similar issues at this stage.
[15:37] <Peppep> And for future reference, it was either the Intel driver (since I re-enabled my Nvidia card) or GNOME customizations from 18.10. Will disable to nvidia card again now to further narrow it down
[15:39] <tomreyn> gnome shell extensions are a good way to break gnome(-shell). generally, also on supported releases, use them at your own risk.
[15:39] <tomreyn> and surely disable them before anything else if there are any issues.
[15:40] <Peppep> Ah. I expected that they could cause issues, but not as fatally as this (stuck on login-screen)
[15:40] <Peppep> Was planning on disabling them before upgrading, but forgot about it, lol
[15:54] <Peppep> So my fingerprint reader is recognized in lsusb now (Bus 001 Device 003: ID 138a:0091 Validity Sensors, Inc. VFS7552 Touch Fingerprint Sensor)
[15:55] <Peppep> And I've enabled fingerprint auth in sudo pam-auth-update. But it still doesn't show up under Users. :/
[16:00] <OerHeks> according to https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui and https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html, your "138a:0091 " is not there
[16:10] <Peppep> Ah :/
[16:12] <tomreyn> also https://www.dell.com/community/Linux-Developer-Systems/XPS-13-Fingerprint-reader-Linux-support/td-p/5090723
[16:13] <tomreyn> but then, fingerprint readers are not a safe authentication mechanism anyways. ;-)
[16:14] <OerHeks> a token or jubikey is my best access
[16:15] <OerHeks> or choose a password larger than 16 characters.. most rainbowtables stop there
[16:20] <BluesKaj> I didn't bother with fingerprint authentication on the Dell laptop
[16:22] <BluesKaj> my fingertips are almost calloused anyway ... drumsticks will do that
[16:24] <Peppep> Sometimes convenience wins over security unfortunately. But I'm getting there, step by step. Voluntarily by going from Windows to Linux, involuntarily by not being able to use fingerprints
[16:26] <Peppep> As of now, fp auth is pretty much the only thing Win10 wins on. Otherwise Ubuntu has better battery life, faster boot (and especially resume from sleep) ++
[16:27] <tomreyn> https://github.com/hmaarrfk/Validity91 is probably your best bet
[16:29] <tomreyn> 112x112 pixels, i wonder how brute forceable that is.
[16:29] <OerHeks> and unencrypted ..
[16:37] <Peppep> Is 112x112 a hardware limitation or just what they've been able to get so far? If the former, I agree, that's way more insecure than I was aware of
[16:41] <OerHeks> 180 x 256 pixels is more regular, mind that it should be encrypted before sending too
[16:56] <Peppep> BluesKaj tomreyn: It was the GNOME settings. I disabled the Nvidia card and the Intel drivers runs without issues
[16:57] <BluesKaj> Peppep, good stuff! 
[17:04] <Peppep> The power consumption in 19.04 is even lower than in 18.10. Discharge rate at 3.9W-4.9W running weechat and powertop
[17:08] <Peppep> And wifi performence seems to be improved. Happy camper so far. 
[17:08] <Peppep> Anyway, gtg, thanks guys!
[17:40] <Joe_from_next_do> Hello is the option for minimal installs still available in 1904? I didn't see it in my VM.
[17:45] <OerHeks> not in tasksel, only in ubiquity
[17:48] <Joe_from_next_do> Oh yes sorry I forgot to copy that. I'll go try it out again..
 The power consumption in 19.04 is even lower than in 18.10. Discharge rate at 3.9W-4.9W running weechat and powertop
[18:44] <erle-> nice
[18:44] <erle-> maybe that is also because of Gnome Shell efficiency
[18:45] <erle-> Is there a way to reboot everything except the kernel?
[18:45] <erle-> Important would be not to unmount /any/ file systems
[18:46] <erle-> to be more precise: boot live CD, do apt dist-upgrade and then reload everything (except kernel) so that the state if the live session stay intact (installed packets, settings in /home/ubuntu etc.)
[18:52] <erle-> Why was gnome-books not in Ubuntu before?
[18:52] <erle-> finally a reader that enables one to read epub without eyes hurting