[07:32] <isomari> greetings, why don't I have all the options on my 19.04 plasma desktop right click 'leave' option? I only have 'logout' even though I have set 'offer shutdown options' on my system settings.
[09:59] <BluesKaj> isomari did you recently update and upgrade?, if so some settings may need a reboot to function properly. Kind of elementary but that's the case these days.
[14:56] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: did a little bit of testing last night with Gnome. Did not see any real performance difference, but usually I only start to have memory issues after 4 - 5 days of uptime, so we will see how that goes. 
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> allrighty dabbill tnx for feedback
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/features-and-improvements-in-gnome-332.html
[15:20] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: Yea, so far 3.32 is a very nice release. I have not had any problems since the last 1 or 2 dev releases. 
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> dingo has some nice stuff
[15:21] <dabbill> Yea, its been tempting me to swich from Fedora on my work machine
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> but im more the lts guy, so im already wishing for next lts codename :p
[15:22] <dabbill> That I have been running for the past 2 years. 
[15:22] <dabbill> I really like to ride the bleeding edge :) 
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> the latest bling for Mr. cloud :p
[15:24] <dabbill> yup :D 
[15:25] <dabbill> I ran Gentoo, and Arch for several years to keep up on the latest shinny, but starting to get lazy in my old age to keep up with them, so now its between *buntu's and Fedora. 
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> always loved ubuntu here
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> https://snapcraft.io/hollywood
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> wrong window
[15:27] <dabbill> I have not come over to the snap side yet. I dont like that they do not follow my desktop theme. 
[15:27] <dabbill> I want all my apps to flow together. 
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: snaps are part of the system now, cant do much anymore to bypass
[15:28] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: I removed a couple of the snaps and installed the native apps :D 
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> thats possible yeah
[15:29] <dabbill> I spend hours apon hours tweaking themes, and searching for new themes, cause I want everything to match :D
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: showoff plz?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: https://www.deviantart.com/lotuspsychje/gallery/
[15:31] <dabbill> I will have to take a new screenshot when I get home
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:43] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: Here are some of my old screenshots
[15:43] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: 
[15:43] <dabbill> err 
[15:43] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: https://dabbill.com/desktop-screenshots/
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> dabbill: nice!
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> been playing with sabayon too in the past
[15:45] <dabbill> I have played with most distros :) 
[15:47] <dabbill> lotuspsychje: more old school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQmj9TCOoaM
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> i always loved wobbly windows
[15:48] <dabbill> I have them on my work machine :D 
[15:48] <dabbill> <3 KDE for that
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> neat
[20:18] <erle-> Nautilus 3.32 landed \o/
[20:19] <OerHeks> as part of gnome 3.32 ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.32.0-1ubuntu1
[20:23] <tomreyn> does this mean the snap can be dropped?
[20:25] <erle-> Gnome Shell 3.32 landed Saturday
[20:25] <erle-> tomreyn, only on Disco though
[20:25] <tomreyn> erle-: what's new in there which allows for it to be dropped?
[20:26] <tomreyn> does gnome / nautilus support desktop icons out of the box again?
[20:26] <erle-> It was mostly Gnome 3.31.91 everything on Saturday, and now everything except cheese has been updated to 3.32
[20:27] <erle-> tomreyn, Desktop icons are implemented using Shell extension
[20:27] <tomreyn> seems like a good approach / compromise. hopefully those can be disabled, too.
[20:28] <erle-> yes, they can, in gnome-tweak
[20:28] <erle-> I only disable «illegitimate» Desktop items (i.e. those that are not files in ~/Desktop)
[20:29] <tomreyn> sweet. https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/ShellExtensions/desktop-icons says snome shell >= 33.0 and naultilus >= 3.30.4
[20:29] <erle-> e.g. Trash, Home, Mounted Drives etc.
[20:29] <tomreyn> maybe then i can purge snapd :)
[20:29] <erle-> Gnome could always do that, it was just that Budgie was not keeping up with the change
[20:30] <erle-> that was the reason for ancient Nautilus
[20:30] <erle-> Budie relied on Nautilus drawing the Desktop
[20:30] <tomreyn> i see
[20:31] <erle-> I am running Disco from live CD since Saturday morning without rebooting
[20:31] <erle-> I am seeing the packets coming in one by one :)
[20:31] <tomreyn> but i think a couple more things broke in 18.04 when i tested uninstalling the snap
[20:31] <tomreyn> hehe, you know you can run it in a vm too! ;-)
[20:33] <erle-> I wasn't planning to keep it up for that long, but it still runs
[20:33] <tomreyn> plenty of ram, eh
[20:39] <erle-> I deleted ~/.cache a few times
[20:40] <erle-> everything else dos not take too much
[20:43] <tomreyn> gnome tweaks shows the pre-installed extensions as disabled, but that's the same in 18.04. you can change its settings so that no more icons show, though.
[20:44] <donofrio> how to ensure in 19.04 that inxi is inxi 3.0.32-00 (2019-02-07)
[20:45] <tomreyn> maybe there's a snap for it, or the developers provide a compatible package, or you can build it yourself.
[20:45] <tomreyn> ppa might be another options
[20:45] <donofrio> I just wanted to prod that maintaners
[20:45] <donofrio> I'm gitting my own for now just would be nice to have newer version
[20:46] <tomreyn> i think it's in universe
[20:46] <tomreyn> !info inxi
[20:47] <donofrio> yah that sounds right....intresting....my 18.04.02 lts had older version found this one that seems to display everything good - http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XmZm2t8J45/
[20:55] <tomreyn> yeay, snap POC apps replaced by .deb's, snapd purged, gnome-shell still works, initializes faster.
[20:56] <lolTest> I played around with disco dingo netboot build of the day. After successful installation of the basic system (no DE), I tried to "apt update" the system but could not connect to the repos. Is this normal behavious for daily builds of versions not released yet?
[21:00] <tomreyn> i assume that with a netboot, ensuring that the utilities needed to bring the system online, and the configurations for this are in place, falls into your domain.
[21:03] <lolTest> I am fairly inexperienced but installed the 18.10 and 19.04 netboots in VMs. The 18.10's "apt update" works out of the box while the 19.04 isn't. Was just wondering why this might be.
[21:04] <tomreyn> how did you install exactly?
[21:04] <tomreyn> netboot isos are a debian concept, not one in ubuntu AFAIK.
[21:05] <tomreyn> oh, it looks like the mini.iso is also referred to as netboot.
[21:05] <lolTest> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[21:06] <tomreyn> you installed using a directory on a webserver?
[21:06] <lolTest> yes, the terms netboot and netinst seem to mean the same here
[21:06] <lolTest> nono, this is where I downloaded the *.iso files, I then fired up my VM's and installed the system on them
[21:07] <tomreyn> so did you use mini.iso then?
[21:07] <lolTest> correct. one time for 18.10 and the other time for 19.04
[21:10] <erle-> netinstall just means that the packages are not all on the ISO but downloaded on demand
[21:11] <erle-> netboot means that BIOS actually boots an image from the network
[21:11] <erle-> both terms are orthogonal to each other
[21:11] <tomreyn> i see. so if 18.10 mini.iso got your system online and the 19.04 pre-release mini.iso does not ("tried to 'apt update' the system but could not connect to the repos") then i guess it is probably not intended to break it for release, and it is maybe currently broken (and it's not unusual for pre-release isos to break).
[21:12] <tomreyn> yes netboot would be pxe
[21:12] <tomreyn> mini.iso is probably somewhat similar to debian's netinstall
[21:13] <Peppep> lolTest: I've also had trouble updating the repos today, with a regular/full 19.04 install
[21:13] <lolTest> Ubuntu uses both terms for the network installation medium.
[21:14] <lolTest> good to know, thanks. 
[21:15] <lolTest> See here: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads Website for "Network installer" with links pointing to iso-images hosted under .../netboot/...