[00:37] <baraba> Was there a community process or a discussion where Gnome was selected as the default DE?
[00:39] <Krenair> Platonides, it happened again
[00:39] <Krenair> It seems there are KeyPress events going in for the shift
[00:39] <Krenair> but not the numbers pressed
[00:47] <tomreyn> Krenair: which kernel + ubuntu release are you on?
[00:48] <Krenair> alex@alex-laptop:~$ uname -a
[00:48] <Krenair> Linux alex-laptop 4.15.0-46-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 6 09:33:07 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:48] <Krenair> alex@alex-laptop:~$ lsb_release -c
[00:48] <Krenair> Codename:	bionic
[00:49] <Platonides> Krenair: and is there a keypress event for eg. the $ ?
[00:50] <Krenair> didn't test that one last time it broke
[00:50] <Krenair> it's usually the ", ( or )
[00:50] <Krenair> that I use
[00:50] <Platonides> well, what you use
[00:50] <Krenair> no
[00:51] <Krenair> just the shift
[00:51] <Krenair> not the actual character I want to type
[01:08] <txithihausen> Hi fellows, i'm driving into a strange bug. Suddenly the gnome-calculator stop working on my ubuntu-18.04-LTS. When I ran the command on the terminal a receive the following output You need to connect this snap to the gnome platform snap.
[01:08] <txithihausen> You can do this with those commands:
[01:08] <txithihausen> snap install gnome-3-26-1604
[01:08] <txithihausen> snap connect gnome-calculator:gnome-3-26-1604 gnome-3-26-1604
[01:08] <txithihausen>  
[01:08] <txithihausen> When I run the second command, I receive the following output => snap connect gnome-calculator:gnome-3-26-1604 gnome-3-26-1604
[01:08] <txithihausen> Any tip about how to proceed/
[01:09] <txithihausen> ?
[01:11] <baraba> try removing it, why is it installed through snap anyway?
[01:11] <baraba> snap remove gnome-calculator
[01:11] <Krenair> Platonides, tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VYFJdpfKnX/
[01:11] <baraba> apt install gnome-calculator
[01:12] <Krenair> that was me attempting to type " a couple of times, then pressing 2 a couple of times, then it working fine
[01:12] <Krenair> in xev
[01:14] <tomreyn> txithihausen: the command the gnome-calculator snap printed should be all you need to do. if it isn't baraba's workaround is an option, but you may want to go to settings -> search and untick "calculator" then.
[01:14] <tomreyn> baraba: gnome calculator is installed as a snap on gnome-shell based ubuntu by default.
[01:15] <tomreyn> Krenair: i had speculated it's related to a buggy kernel image, but yours should be fine. i'm not sure how to debug this, though. what you could try is !hwe (kernel and xorg)
[01:16] <tomreyn> !hwe | Krenair
[01:16] <txithihausen> tomreyn and baraba, I ran the command baraba suggested and I cannot have access to gnome-calculator anymore. I tried to reinstall gnome-calculator (snap install gnome-calculator) and worked
[01:16] <txithihausen> Thank you both!
[01:16] <tomreyn> Krenair: ...but that's just a workaround / a way to cross test, not a fix.
[01:16] <Krenair> alright, thank you tomreyn
[01:16] <tomreyn> txithihausen: you're welcome
[01:17] <tomreyn> you, too, Krenair ;-)
[01:27] <nuttz> hello
[01:35] <JoeD> How do I extract string "dir" from "/home/user/dir" in shell script?
[01:46] <hggdh> JoeD: basename /home/user/dir
[01:46] <rfm> JoeD, read about "remvoe matching prefix pattern" in the bash man page
[01:47] <JoeD> hggdh: omfg thank you
[01:47] <JoeD> rfm: will do so
[01:53] <NewToLubuntu> I've been getting some weird drive errors
[01:53] <leonardus> Are any of these any good? https://www.humblebundle.com/books/linux-wiley-books
[01:54] <NewToLubuntu> it says "logging of this conversation failed" on pidgin for example
[01:54] <NewToLubuntu> and error when I tried to set up a magnet torrent
[01:54] <NewToLubuntu> I think I might have put my drive in write-protection by mistake
[01:54] <leonardus> NewToLubuntu, is it full?
[01:54] <NewToLubuntu> I have 2 drives, the one for my OS should be mostly empty, it's only my secnodary drive which is nearly full of videos and stuff
[01:55] <NewToLubuntu> so possibly I have it set to store in the wrong drive somehow
[01:55] <NewToLubuntu> also if I vanish inexplicably, my computer has lately been spontaneously blackscreening after 15-20 minutes of operation
[01:55] <NewToLubuntu> possibly due to video card because sometimes the audio I'm listening to will keep going
[01:56] <NewToLubuntu> I'm thinking I should update my boot disk from 18.04 to 18,04.2 to do a reinstall, or possibly experiment with 18,10
[01:56] <NewToLubuntu> going from LXDE to LXQT can't be any more of a shock from going to Vista to Lubuntu
[01:56] <NewToLubuntu> but can only set that up if I download it first
[01:56] <NewToLubuntu> I assume I should be able to over-write my USB with fresh boot info
[01:56] <NewToLubuntu> it would be interesting to try out some various ubuntu OS too, I hear it is possible to install multiple ones on the same boot disk, mine is 8GB
[01:57] <NewToLubuntu> although I am not sure if those collections would have the latest versions
[02:02] <guiverc> NewToLubuntu, LXQt from LXDE is not a problem, UI/gui wise in my opinion.  What can be an issue is if you're tied to specific applications that used the GTK+ toolkit; using them in LXQt will cause both Qt & GTK+ libs to be in memory; not an issue if you have 4gb+ of ram, but can cause a slower machine if using 1-2gb of ram.  This to me is the largest issue with LXQt/LXDE
[02:04] <guiverc> tied to = meaning you want to use very specific apps; ie. I loved gnome 2 (really old) & have resisted giving up certain apps from that gtk+ environment..  (this may go over your head; windows/apple have the same issues; but those are just told 'you need more ram' rather than reason)
[02:06] <NewToLubuntu> this is a 12 year old comp with 3gb so I definitelly don't want that to happen
[02:06] <NewToLubuntu> would a fresh install to 18.10 do that?
[02:06] <NewToLubuntu> I think I mainly just want to keep my firefox favorites and IRC logs
[02:07] <NewToLubuntu> since I've done a lot of troubleshooting conversations
[02:07] <guiverc> i didn't real all sorry NewToLubuntu, to upgrade from 18.04 to 18.04.2 you can just `sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade` and your 18.04 will upgrade itself to 18.04.2 automatically...
[02:08] <guiverc> video going black, I'd suspect hardware myself; but I can't help there sorry. I'm not good with video issues.
[02:09] <guiverc> yes you can just overwrite whatever was on a thumb-drive (eg. 18.04) with a later iso (eg. 18.10)
[02:10] <guiverc> my box I'm using now is ~a decade old - i'm perfectly happy with it (I do have more ram though).  if you are using 32bit/i686 I'd tend to stay on 18.04 though personally.
[02:10] <[rg]> how can I get a specific package with apt if through a ppa?
[02:10] <guiverc> as for trying later versions; try writing 18.10 to a thumb-drive, boot & select 'try ubuntu' & use it all day.  see if it's any better video wise.
[02:11] <guiverc> [rg], try looking at this https://askubuntu.com/questions/92019/how-to-install-specific-ubuntu-packages-with-exact-version
[02:15] <[rg]> guiverc: ok, if no version is found they that means they only have the latest in the ppa
[02:15] <NewToLubuntu> I guess I mean if I want to do a fresh install
[02:16] <NewToLubuntu> I guess it would be less updating on the new install if I made a fresh boot disk with 18.04.2
[02:16] <NewToLubuntu> weirdly this comp is lasting a lot longer this time when the 2nd drive is inaccessible
[02:16] <NewToLubuntu> of course it might be that I just haven't used it in a month,  maybe the hardware cooled down?
[02:16] <NewToLubuntu> I miss my mousekeys... I really need something like mousekeys agani
[02:16] <NewToLubuntu> maybe standard ubuntu ahs that features but I'm not sure what package to install to add it to lubuntu
[02:16] <guiverc> [rg], i don't know what you're looking for, but `apt-cache policcy` or `apt-cache search` etc
[02:17] <guiverc> NewToLubuntu, please cut down on the <Enters>
[02:17] <[rg]> guiverc: upgraded to sublime but forgot it was changed to gtk3
[02:18] <guiverc> NewToLubuntu, 18.10 is not a LTS or long-term-support release; it has only a 9 month life (of which a lot has already gone), it upgrades to 19.04, then 19.10 etc.   18.04 LTS is a long-term-support release with 3 years of support, so you don't have to keep release-upgrading; dist-upgrade is all you need to do (less change, more stable etc)
[02:19] <guiverc> if it's more reliable NewToLubuntu with 2nd drive not being used; your PSE could be failing to produce enough power (due age) thus lack of additional drive is increasing reliability (could also be the cause for your video issues too) - just a thought
[02:20] <guiverc> NewToLubuntu, with 3gb of ram on an old machine; I'd not consider gnome (ubuntu-desktop) myself. XFCE or MATE are lighter & other alternatives require less resources than gnome.. but its somewhat taste that will decide what's best for you too
[02:23] <guiverc> s/PSE/PSU (power supply unit) NewToLubuntu , sorry typo I didn't notice
[02:23] <guiverc> ^
[02:25] <NewToLubuntu> XFCE is Xubuntu I think, I heard it was the 2nd-smallest so will consider it as an alternative upgrade. I guess until then I will stay with 18.04 while on Lubuntu. I think I will try a restart to see if that unlocks the drive. Perhaps I will boot normally to see if it blackscreens.
[02:26] <guiverc> Yep XFCE is the Xubuntu desktop (I love it too!)  It'd be my next choice on light ram, and if you prefer GTK+ based apps; where I'd go or consider anyway after 18.04
[02:30] <Jonii> Anyone know any good tool to brute force full disk encryption password that works on Ubuntu?
[02:42] <the2048> Jonii, what do you plan
[02:42] <Jonii> cracking a password
[02:42] <the2048> You own the PC?
[02:42] <nisstyre> Jonii: the LUKS header is what you want, and you're asking in the wrong channel
[02:42] <Jonii> What's the correct channel?
[02:43] <nisstyre> ##security
[02:43] <nisstyre> but most likely the answer is "you can't" unless the person used a very weak password
[02:43] <nisstyre> I'm assuming it was not you that set it
[02:45] <Jonii> Actually I was. I also know all but maybe 5 character of it
[02:46] <nisstyre> Jonii: it will still likely be very hard to crack, also you didn't mention you're using truecrypt/veracrypt
[03:41] <Jantz> Hi guys am finding it difficult to fix my Ubuntu have just recently installed 18.04 and keyboard and mouse are playing up but seem to be alright in a recovery offline setup, as soon as i go online i have trouble to be honest i think I've been hacked by the cia, I've searched online and found no real solution I've changed the settings for proprietary drivers to enabled any help appreciated
[03:42] <Jantz> Have tried other usb ports but get absolutely no signal from them
[03:43] <Jantz> Hard disks are fine
[03:44] <Jantz> Also getting the same trouble on mint
[03:44] <Jantz> Freebsd wont install either
[03:46] <vapingconfusion> hi guys, how does the console in ubuntu differ from terminal, is it still using default allocatted bash version, just with a smaller window aimed at running short/one line commands that bash uses
[03:46] <Jantz> All software is updated
[03:54] <quicksilver> hi
[03:57] <the2048> vapingconfusion, the console and the terminal are the same (they're both bash). Console is just windowed tho
[03:58] <rebab> Hello. I am looking for a PDF/EPUB annotator software. I'm a student it's hard to copy paste. Can you help me?
[04:02] <vapingconfusion> the2048, thank you
[04:04] <vapingconfusion> rebab, calibre i think-got lots of addons that most likely make into what you need it to be if it isn't already fitforpurpose
[04:09] <jonfatin-> Did ubuntu 16.04 installs start failing with mirror # Distro URL url --url http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[04:14] <Lub18042lts> I have a 3.5mm connection to speakers (which works) and one of my GPUs is connected to an HDTV (which also works), but I want it to send an audio signal via the HDMI. This works out of the box in WIn10, so not a hardware issue. HDTV shows picture, but gets no sound. Cedar HDMI Audio via GPU appears to be on per Volume Control.
[04:14] <Lub18042lts> I'm trying to get it to work in Lubuntu.
[04:19] <Lub18042lts> i got it turned on in playback, but now no sound comes out of speakers. Any way to get it to use BOTH at same time?
[04:31] <jonfatin-> If anyone wants to tackle this bug that would be amazing :-)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-base/+bug/1820755
[05:12] <PhoenyxCullen> !Ubuntu MATE
[05:13] <PhoenyxCullen> What channel is the support for Ubuntu MATE?
[05:14] <PhoenyxCullen> !MATE
[05:15] <Bashing-om> PhoenyxCullen: Mate is also supported here, Ask your support question.
[06:20] <pragomer> hello. I got here an acer e17 e5-771g-7014 and trying to install ubuntu 18.04.2. With "normal" boot the system hangs at some boot messages (none saying..), with "nomodeset" it boots, but I just got black screen with mouse pointer. For fun I tried Pop!_OS with nvidia drivers and all went fine, thats why I think its a graphics problem. what else could I do?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: whats your graphics card chipset?
[06:22] <pragomer> I thinking about this at this point.. would have to boot up popos again to have a look (sorry, didnt write it down). Will do that and be be in 10 min
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: is it nvidia?
[06:22] <pragomer> ah here, GEFORCE 480M
[06:22] <pragomer> yes, nvidia
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: go in your system with nomodeset then install the nvidia driver
[06:23] <pragomer> the live medium does not boot even with nomodeset
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: you have dualboot?
[06:24] <pragomer> no. one disk that will be used in total
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: make sure your uefi settings are set too: secureboot=off fastboot=off
[06:25] <pragomer> they are set. these options I always turn off. thats for sure
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: in the ubuntu setup also make sure you turn on updates
[06:26] <pragomer> I cannot even get to the setup. Like I said I just got a black screen with mouse pointer. With Pop_OS (that has buildin nvidia) it works
[06:26] <pragomer> (but of course I want to use "original" ubuntu)
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: in your first question you say you can boot nomodeset?
[06:27] <pragomer> nope, I wrote I can NOT even boot nomodeset. If I could, I wouldnt have problems. Sorry if I wrote this confusingly
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: how did you create your ubuntu usb?
[06:28] <pragomer> at this moment I am doing two photos of both boot hang ups (normal and nomodeset) and going to share it here.
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> allright
[06:29] <pragomer> am, I used dd, like always, but I tried several usb sticks, also I used 18.04, 18.04.1 and 18.04.2
[06:29] <pragomer> the same..
[06:29] <pragomer> just a seconde, posting these photos
[06:32] <NewToLubuntu> I think I am in love with a girl and her name is nomodeset
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> not here NewToLubuntu
[06:34] <NewToLubuntu> it's just, being able to just let the computer boot up to the login screen on its own since switching to linux in September... the feels
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: do you have an ubuntu question?
[06:34] <NewToLubuntu> having to do advanced options - recovery mode - resume normal boot EVERY TIME just to force my graphics drivers to fail... simply disabling them with NMS is so much better
[06:35] <NewToLubuntu> well yes, with that fixed, if my computer does spontaneuosly blackscreen while I'm watching some movies like what happened a couple weeks ago, do you know what could cause it?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: pastebin: uname -a && lsb_release -a && sudo lshw -C video
[06:38] <NewToLubuntu> https://pastebin.com/Cd2iD96N
[06:40] <NewToLubuntu> also this is sort of a silly goof but... I seem to have made the top bar of VLC Media Player (where you can click and drag to move the window around) vanish and I'm not sure how to get it back
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: your system is not up to date and your nvidia drivers arent installed
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | NewToLubuntu
[06:41] <pragomer> this is my screen, when booting "normal": http://i.imgur.com/2aDOvK4.png
[06:41] <pragomer> and this with nomodeset: http://i.imgur.com/V5Yp7rA.png
[06:42] <NewToLubuntu> weird, it's like the exact opposite, I was getting black screen, that's what prompted me to change to NMS
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: is that the last lines you see sdb?
[06:43] <pragomer> yes, and it stays like this...
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: im not sure thats a graphics issue
[06:43] <lazy> Hello
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: did you recently install a hd or so?
[06:43] <pragomer> mm. what would make the difference else to Pop!_OS 18.04 ?
[06:44] <pragomer> I can install Pop without problems.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: do you still have a 18.04.1 iso laying around?
[06:45] <pragomer> Dond think so, but like I said, I tried this with 18.04.1 and 18.04.2
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: hmm thats pretty weird
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: if it was about graphics, you would get a black screen and not see the booting text
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: did you recently change hardware in your pc done anything special?
[06:48] <pragomer> nope
[06:48] <pragomer> wait a second. let me post you a 3rd photo
[06:49] <pragomer> this is in this moment the pop installer: http://i.imgur.com/oXGg910.png
[06:49] <pragomer> runs through the boot without problems
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> thats weird indeed
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: do you have other flavors iso's you could test? xubuntu, lubuntu for example?
[06:52] <pragomer> yes, good idead. just trying xubuntu 18.04.2
[06:54] <NewToLubuntu> lotuspsychje: I ran the command a couple minutes ago, it's at 28% completion now. I think it said something like another 200MB to download. Oddly slow compared to usual speeds, must be on their end. I should've noticed sine it said 18.04.1 since I hear there was a .2 version last month. Do you know why it didn't notify me?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: when connected to internet, update warnings should have come to you..did you ignore some?
[06:59] <pragomer> lotuspsychje:  xubuntu 18.04.2 has the same problems :-(
[07:01] <pragomer> I wonder if I should simply go with Pop or try an ubuntu server and installing gnome to it..
[07:02] <pragomer> or what else does exist.. ubuntu mini? does this still exist?
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: maybe you found some bug, you have an 16.04 iso?
[07:02] <PhoenyxCullen> That was a new way to install Ubuntu. Reserving space for bios?
[07:02] <PhoenyxCullen> What happened to the bootable flag?
[07:03] <pragomer> I think so, too that its ab bug in combination with this hardware.
[07:03] <pragomer> I am now trying ubuntu mini
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: could be due to kernel 4.18 doesnt like your hardware somehow
[07:05] <pragomer> to keep it simple I think I will go with Pop (on this machine). my others have ubuntu
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: its weird you cant goto live with nomodeset
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> i never seen a system yet not being able to reach setup
[07:07] <pragomer> yes, this always helped in the past... (on all other machines)
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: test an ubuntu with another kernel as last test
[07:08] <pragomer> Pop_OS has kernel 4.18 also, just looked up
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:08] <pragomer> ok, now the last thing I am going to try is ubuntu server...
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: from popos, can you check with graphics driver loaded?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> wich
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: sudo lshw -C video
[07:08] <pragomer> popos directly loads nvidia
[07:09] <pragomer> actually popos is installed on it. do you mean to check this from the installed os or from live installer?
[07:09] <pragomer> live installer, or?
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: installed
[07:12] <pragomer> lshw: http://i.imgur.com/baCDqOv.png
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: yeah looks like the nvidia driver loaded
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: ubuntu-drivers list
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-driver-390 bionic
[07:15] <pragomer> I think the problem is, that this laptop ONLY works with nvidia drivers and not with noveau.
[07:15] <pragomer> and the difference Pop does is to have it enabled even while installing, is that right?
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: your card is an optimus, so it needs the nvidia driver
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: but normally a nomodeset can bypass this
[07:16] <pragomer> could I bypass this issue while using the server iso, what do you think?
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: well installing server on a desktop is probably not what you want right
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: i would test a 16.04 see if it works there
[07:18] <pragomer> ok, I just began to download 16.04.6
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> great
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: if that doesnt work, there's some serious problem :p
[07:19] <elias_a> Which OCR would you recommend for converting good quality text images to text? The documents are in Finnish so scandinavian characters like ä and ö are needed.
[07:19] <elias_a> Gscan2pdf with Tesseract as backend seems to do a lousy job.
[07:20] <pragomer> yes, but going with 16.04 is not what I want for this machine.. its just for testing.. my "inner hero" tells me to go on and getting 18.04 installed somehow *LOL*
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: yeah this is only for testing purpose, to define where's the bottleneck
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: lets assume 4.18 doesnt like nouveau
[07:21] <pragomer> I am using ubuntu since 8.04 and always got machines to boot. thats why this annoyes me so ;-)
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah i understand, tnx for testing it out pragomer
[07:22] <NewToLubuntu> lotuspsychje:  don't think so, but it has been a few weeks since I've used it, perhaps the last time I did so for a long period was before the .2 update for Lubuntu on Feb 14. I think I was on a couple times after but the comp would crash after 10 minutes or so, not sure why.
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: always make sure system is up to date ok
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: you are the admin on your machine, check updates yourself or setup updates to automaticly
[07:25] <NewToLubuntu> whoops, closed window by mistake. I think updates are done but am getting this now https://i.imgur.com/ZN7AVI5.png
[07:28] <NewToLubuntu> lotuspsychje: I had changed GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset" so I'm thinkin I should maybe "install the package maintainer's version" and then just re-do what I did previously if necessary
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: i would go for the local one
[07:29] <pragomer> Other question about Monitors and frequencies: some of my monitors run (according to gnome) with 60,00 Hz, some run with 59,9.. and this laptop shows me weirdly 60,01 Hz. Is this ok or should there all be exactly 60,00 Hz ??
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: i have to go, if 16.04 works, file a new !bug to 18.04 ok
[07:31] <pragomer> lotuspsychje: thank you very very much for your time and help. have a good day (or night??) thanks again
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> np
[07:32] <radkos> hello what is ulimit's cpu time for?
[07:33] <radkos> max execution time of the process or max cpu usage?
[07:33] <radkos> how should i set it if I want no more than 10% cpu usage?
[07:34] <elias_a> Why is Tesseract marked as being proprietary in Ubuntu applications? It is licensed with Apache 2.0
[07:41] <Tankburn> hello
[07:49] <Tankburn> hi
[07:50] <elias_a> !ask Tankburn
[07:51] <elias_a> Tankburn: Just ask your support question. :)
[07:51] <Tankburn> haha I wish I had a support question
[07:51] <Tankburn> Im just here to test my skills and try help others
[07:52] <radkos> Tankburn, can you help me then :)
[07:52] <radkos>  what is ulimit's cpu time for? max execution time of the process or max cpu usage?
[07:52] <radkos> how should i set it if I want no more than 10% cpu usage?
[07:54] <Tankburn> just looking at the man pages
[07:55] <Tankburn> ulimit -u 10
[07:56] <radkos> i know how to set it but how does it affect
[07:56] <Tankburn> max CPU usage
[07:56] <Tankburn> only for the current shell I beleive
[07:57] <Tankburn> I think there is a conf file that will allow you to configure limits over various users
[07:57] <radkos> it is
[07:57] <radkos> i'm placing the hard values in it
[07:57] <radkos> but trying to figure out the cpu time affection
[07:58] <elias_a> Note to myself: installing Tesseract by installing gscan2pdf does not install the local language support. The language modules have to be installed manually and that is doable only in shell.
[08:02] <h3l> Hello, anyone know why UFW blocks my VPN (Ubuntu 18.10, PPTP)
[08:02] <h3l> Only way is to disable ufw
[08:06] <h3l> another question, is there a way to start VPN before TOR ? Seems to be a conflict if you use them together, have to restart tor after bringing up vpn.
[08:07] <NewToLubuntu> I just checked uname -a && lsb_release -a && sudo lshw -C video and I'm updaed to 18.04.2 now, but I'm wondering if I still need to update my nVidia drivers
[08:07] <h3l> bah :)
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: does your card still show unclaimed? whats behind driver= ?
[08:07] <NewToLubuntu> primarily though my first concern is restoring the top bar of VLC media player which I think I inadvertently disabled months ago
[08:08] <NewToLubuntu> the uname command didn't produce a "driver=" field, is this a different command to display that?
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: sudo lshw -C video
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: hows 16.04 going?
[08:10] <NewToLubuntu> https://pastebin.com/cnCV1wpa
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: still shows unclaimed, meaning you need to install the nvidia driver
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: what does ubuntu-drivers list show you?
[08:12] <NewToLubuntu> blank line, even when I try "sudo ubuntu-drivers list"
[08:14] <der> clock
[08:14] <der> close
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: go to software&sources icon, last tab additional drivers
[08:15] <NewToLubuntu> I tried "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall " command based on an askubuntu.com suggestion but got "No drivers found for automatic installation."
[08:17] <NewToLubuntu> System Tools / Software Updater says "The software on this computer is up to date" so trying System Tools / Software now (not sure where "& Sources" is) there isn't an 'Additional Drivers' tab though...
[08:19] <nikolam> I can't recover and reinstall GRUB2 (XUbuntu 18.04 LTS). I created password and now it asks for password every time on boot, without option for normal boot. I want to remove passwords and start over.
[08:21] <nikolam> I followed procedure from: help.ubuntu.com but it pritted about /dev not mounted, after chroot and grub-install
[08:21] <nikolam> but I followed procedure
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> NewToLubuntu: software&sources is the icon with a box + earth icon
[08:22] <pragomer> lotuspsychje: 16.04 has exact the same problem.
[08:23] <pragomer> lotuspsychje: I googled and found terms about that this exact model could make problems because of its two graphic cards (onboard/nvidia)
[08:23] <pragomer> lotuspsychje: still checking out.. ;-)
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: maybe try to blacklist nouveau at boot
[08:31] <ppf> so! next round of sound debugging :)
[08:32] <ppf> status quo: chrome/FF don't see a microphone. it appears as if they're not talking to (the right) pulse?
[08:33] <ppf> any tipps appreciated
[08:33] <unimatrix9> why does ubuntu let the old kernel images fill up to 100% and make the system crash ( cant boot )
[08:34] <unimatrix9> i solved the problem , but still makes me wonder why there is nothing that prevents this from happening
[08:35] <pragomer> unimatrix9: hey, cool nickname. all my pcnames correspond to such ones ;-)
[08:35] <dmt420> <--- idiot
[08:35] <dmt420> what does unimatrix9 mean?
[08:36] <ppf> lordcirth: what we did yesterday did not survive the reboot
[08:37] <pragomer> lotuspsychje: according to some google searches this is called a "hybrid graphics card".. I am sure I read about problems withi such cards on ubuntu..
[08:37] <unimatrix9> cool ;)
[08:37] <pragomer> lotuspsychje: ah, thats what you called "optimus"; now I see
[08:39] <ledeni> ppf start from beginning you use build in mic or external  one
[08:39] <ppf> external
[08:39] <ppf> onboard soundcard
[08:40] <NewToLubuntu> lotuspsychje: that icon under System Tools (a blue circle on a white box) is called Software and opening it produces this screen https://i.imgur.com/4GM0p2g.png
[08:40] <unimatrix9> by default ubuntu will retain old kernels , wich could cause the /boot drive becoming 100% full , giving a kernel panic not syncing vfs..+
[08:41] <whoareU> whether the directory or folder exist the exactly size in linux , in addition  is there some difference between '"df -h /tmp"=1.6G ' and '"du -sh"=53k'
[08:41] <ppf> ledeni: other applications, such as mumble and games work fine
[08:41] <ppf> they talk to pulse and appear as 'recording' applications in pavucontroo
[08:41] <NewToLubuntu> maybe this is a difference in naming between standard Ubuntu and Lubuntu?
[08:41] <unimatrix9> i asked myself the question why there is nothing to prevent this from happening
[08:41] <unimatrix9> any way, its solved now..
[08:42] <ledeni> try to search for mic in preference of ff
[08:42] <ppf> ledeni: ff/chrome have next to zero mic settings
[08:43] <ppf> you can block/allow it for sites, but that's it
[08:43] <unimatrix9> have a nice day you all ;)
[08:44] <regdude> Hi! Is it possible to enable RSTP in Ubuntu?
[08:44] <u0_a158> indo mana nih
[08:56] <ledeni> ppf how you test ff/chrome for mic
[08:56] <ppf> ledeni: https://www.onlinemictest.com/ for instance
[09:17] <ledeni> for me came up message to allow mic --> https://imgur.com/a/ZFZW3JN
[09:18] <ppf> ledeni: yes. but it's not a permission issue! chrome doesn't know that there is a mic
[09:21] <ledeni> ppf check https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205093487-How-do-I-enable-my-mic-in-Chrome-
[09:27] <ppf> ledeni: it's not a chrome problem
[09:33] <ledeni> ppf if you run alsamixer f4 in terminal do you see mic
[09:37] <nikolam> I repaired my booting after moving previous BTRFS snapshot to "@" and system boots right.
[09:37] <nikolam> But I now can't remove @_badroot
[09:37] <nikolam> It says: sudo btrfs subvolume delete @_badroot Delete subvolume (no-commit): '/mnt/@_badroot' ERROR: cannot delete '/mnt/@_badroot': Directory not empty
[09:39] <nikolam> adn after rmoving all contents with 'rm' command from /mnt/@_badroot/ , thatere is folder /mnt/@_badroot/restore that fails to delete and therefore Btrfs can't remove @_badroot snapshot..
[09:39] <nikolam> Operation preceeding inability to boot form GRUB were setting password on GRUB, that didn't work and didn't accept password.
[09:41] <nikolam> So I can work properly now, and grub is repaired, yet can't remove /mnt/@_badroot snapshot , because can't delete /mnt/@_badroot/restore empty folder , with message: rm: cannot remove 'restore': Operation not permitted
[09:43] <roniez> Anybody here has experiance with setting up L2TP/IPSec on Ubuntu 18.10? i am using network-manager-l2tp and network-manager-l2tp-gnome package, and the L2TP VPN is setup with IKEv2 and i think network manager makes a ikev1  connection
[09:44] <roniez> because i get no_proposal_chosen errors in the journalctl which is the same if i use ike-scan -1 if i use ike-scan -2 i get chipers i should use
[09:57] <ppf> ledeni: yes
[10:12] <sentiment> good afternoon
[10:12] <sentiment> I am trying to copy a large number of files from an NTFS drive to my external HDD.
[10:13] <sentiment> the problem is that Ubuntu gets stuck after it copies a number of files.
[10:13] <sentiment> the hdd remains busy and it can't be unmounted normally
[10:15] <sentiment> the led keeps blinking
[10:15] <sentiment> LED
[10:17] <sentiment> I'm wondering if it's a problem with the USB port.
[10:17] <action09> hi all I tried to put my laptop in suspend but when awake, it's black screen and unusable. I give info here (logs & config), and search for any firmware update (none). too. ANy chance please?
[10:18] <PhoenyxCullen> I'm having problems getting my lock screen to show 24-hour format on the time. How do I fix this? I'm using MATE.
[10:20] <Guest30496> I have a most important question
[10:21] <Guest30496> whats the best linux
[10:25] <blackflow> Guest30496: GNU/Linux of course. see #ubuntu-discuss for more info
[10:30] <Guest30496> is it good
[10:33] <Guest30496> #ubuntu-discuss Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[11:04] <grady> is there anybody who knows sfp+ cables?
[11:05] <Guest30496> who
[11:05] <blackflow> grady: folks in #hardware maybe
[11:05] <Guest30496> #hardware Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[11:06] <blackflow> or registered.
[11:06] <grady> can i extend that type of cable
[11:06] <blackflow> grady: like totally not #ubuntu issue. try #hardware   (or is it ##hardware, not sure if # will redirect)
[11:07] <grady> :D
[11:07]  * Guest30496 kicks you in the buttros
[11:09] <matteotanca> :)
[11:09] <Guest30496> u like?
[11:10] <uzee> Hi, I'm trying to setup an eGPU (Razer core 2) on an Intel NUC running 18.10, but for the life of me the egpu is not even seen by the OS as far as I can tell. lspci does not give anything, nor does lsmod when I grep for nvidia. 'ubuntu-drivers devices' returns empty and lshw -c display doesn't show anything nvidia..
[11:11] <uzee> I tried to isntall nvidia drivers version 415 but still nothing...
[11:11] <uzee> Is this the right place or is there a dioff channel maybe ?
[11:11] <uzee> I did turn secure boot off as suggested in various places
[11:13] <mjayk> uzee, how did you try to install them and what do you mean nothing ?
[11:14] <uzee> mjayk: thanks, I basically connected the egpu enclosure which has the geforce gtx card in it. So I connected the power supply of the egpu and connected it to the Intel NUC via thunderbolt
[11:16] <uzee> but I cannot really verify if its working or connected? theres no led or lights or indication on the egpu to tell me
[11:17] <mjayk> uzee, ah sorry not much experience with egpu's but heres something https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-linux-setup/egpu-in-blender-18-04-works-flawlessly/
[11:19] <uzee> mjayk: thanks, no worries, I did go through that one also :) but my problem is way before :( I mean I cant even tell if the egpu is on or not... I dont hear any noise or any lights... :( hence the confusion, plus the OS doesn't seem to be aware of any such device
[11:19] <jakeisen14> Moin
[11:23] <uzee> does anyone know of a channel for egpu or razer, maybe I could get some help there...
[11:28] <PottyTheShitter> How long can a USB drive last on a full ubuntu install with XFS? like before it dies
[11:31] <blackflow> uzee: that version is only available from the graphics drivers PPA, and is obsoleted now btw fwith 418
[11:31] <blackflow> uzee: oops, sorry, was up in the backlog, referring to nvidia
[11:34] <Fleuv> Hey all, I just noticed that something is attacking my server by looking for existing imap users. This is what I found in dovecot.log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ggZVPZhNPs/
[11:35] <Fleuv> Anyone can help me to block these requests?
[11:35] <blackflow> Fleuv: for starters, that looks like a broken dovecot config. There's #ubuntu-server and #dovecot where this would be more appropriate, btw, get help quicker
[11:36] <blackflow> Fleuv: that said, fail2ban
[11:36] <blackflow> or not... those accesses are distributed, fail2ban would be useless probably
[11:36] <Fleuv> yes thought so
[11:37] <blackflow> strong password policy is #1 defense in that case. also try tarpitting the _account_, not the client IP, with dovecot+weakforced
[11:37] <Fleuv> The error is there because the targeted email domain doesn't have any email accounts
[11:37] <blackflow> Fleuv: ^^^
[11:37] <blackflow> Fleuv: you can set up null MX record for the domain
[11:37] <PottyTheShitter> How long can a USB drive last on a full ubuntu install with XFS? like before it dies
[11:38] <blackflow> Fleuv: helps preventing automated systems that scan for MX, from thinking you have one
[11:38] <Fleuv> blackflow, the domain is already on google mx records
[11:39] <blackflow> Fleuv: then there's not much you can do, other than fixing that config issue so it won't be logged like that. you will probably get AUTH failures logged then
[11:39] <Fleuv> blackflow, I'm looking for something like every machine what tries to use dovecot for that particular account will get black listed.
[11:40] <blackflow> Fleuv: fail2ban but again... useless in distributed attacks.
[11:41] <blackflow> Fleuv: you should simply accept the reality on the internet which is: you will be probed, scanned, attacked, bruteforced, attempted exploited, _Actually_ exploited, etc..... and then act accordingly.
[11:41] <Fleuv> blackflow, Maybe I should just create an email account with a very simple password but with no quota to catch the attacker :D
[11:42] <blackflow> Fleuv: dovecot has auth_verbose config option which iirc won't log auth failures, and will silence those logs in _this_ case (but you lose valuable info).
[11:42] <blackflow> Fleuv: you seem to think there's only one attacker :)
[11:44] <pink_> hi
[11:44] <Fleuv> blackflow, hehe yea you're right no possible way of preventing these attacks no matter what source it comes from. I will probably just keep monitoring my logs and basically leave it for what it is now
[11:44] <pink_> test msg for video
[11:44] <blackflow> Fleuv: for starters fix THAT error in your pastebin. that's a config error.
[11:45] <Fleuv> blackflow, i know but it's okay because the error doesn't affect anything that matters.
[11:46] <Fleuv> an error what does matter, the one I was looking for (and filtered out the paste): imap(existing@email.test) Error: namespace configuration error: Duplicate namespace prefix: ""
[11:46] <blackflow> Fleuv: at this level, please ask in #dovecot, you'll get help quicker.
[11:47] <Fleuv> Yes I will thanks
[11:49] <EastCharlie> Excuse me ... Why my tablet's touchscreen not work on boot (cold boot), but would recovery after reboot. (Ubuntu 18.04,
[11:50] <uzee> blackflow: thanks, I understand the version referred in the link is old now, but I think my problem is even before we get into installing the right driver version... if the OS cannot see or detect the device at the hardware/thunderbolt level then the drivers are of course going to be useless
[11:50] <uzee> I'm going to try and connect the egpu with a different laptop if I can find one with windows and thunderboplt and see if theres a difference
[12:05] <seni> for some reason a SSD of mine will sometimes disappear. as in it's not visible in the disks utility or lsblk, but it does still appear when doing df. I can fix it with a restart, is there another way?
[12:08] <blackflow> seni: sounds like power management? it goes into standby? dunno if ssds even do that. at any rate, it should wake up when you try to access something from it. can you confirm that's the case?
[12:09] <seni> do you mean something ls /<drive> ? because nope
[12:09] <seni> usually the way it will fail is after starting up it wont be there and I'll have to restart and hope it works that time. but this time yeah I put the computer into standby, guessing that has to do with it
[12:13] <stavros> Hello
[12:13] <hodor123456> stavros: hello
[12:13] <stavros> I once needed to upgrade a package so I built it manually, but the version is mistakenly very large, so now it won't upgrade from the repository. How can I force an installation of the package from the repo?
[12:15] <hodor123456> stavros: what do you mean by very large? doesn't your secondary memory has much space?
[12:16] <stavros> hodor123456, I mean the version is 30000 so apt won't upgrade to 0.14
[12:17] <nikolam> I solved my inability to destroy /mnt/@_badroot BTRFS subvolume. It seems there were subvolume under subvolume, named /mnt/@bad_root/restore
[12:18] <EriC^^> stavros: remove the old one and then install the repo one?
[12:19] <stavros> EriC^^, I don't want to remove any of the config or anything else
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:35] <Peppep> Hey BluesKaj
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi Peppep
[12:36] <Euph0ria> Peppep Hi there Peppep !
[12:36] <Euph0ria> BluesKaj Hi there BluesKaj !
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi Euph0ria
[12:37] <brektyme> Hi, I'm getting a segfault when pxebooting the installer on 16.04, at the dectect disks step, I'm not really sure what the issue is and I've not seen it before it started yesterday. Does anyone have an idea of what I sould look at or what the issue could be?
[12:38] <elbeta> uhh hello?
[12:38] <elbeta> anyone here?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> nope
[12:38] <elbeta> :(
[12:38] <cfhowlett> only a few thousand elbeta.  sorry.
[12:38] <PhoenyxCullen> There are people here.
[12:38] <elbeta> oh nice!
[12:39] <elbeta> I'm new to the linux family. I felt I needed to make the switch.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> welcome to linux elbeta
[12:39] <elbeta> ty
[12:40] <elbeta> Can I ask a question related to a grub issue I'm facing?
[12:40] <PhoenyxCullen> Welcome to the community. And ask away. Here you don't need to ask to ask, just ask your question, please.
[12:41] <elbeta> so when grub loads up, I have this option called "Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/...) which I suppose loads the windows boot loader
[12:42] <elbeta> But when select that option, instead of loading up windows, it loads up some "windows recover utility" that finally leads me to the "windows advanced startup page"
[12:42] <tomreyn> brektyme: please ask in #ubuntu-server
[12:42] <elbeta> I need to change the boot order in order to boot to windows successfully. I cant directly boot from grub
[12:42] <brektyme> thanks
[12:45] <ioria> brektyme, maybe give a look at this (#10 in particular) : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1817358
[12:50] <brektyme> that looks like what I'm hitting
[12:52] <ioria> duplicate of this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1816846
[12:54] <elbeta> quit
[12:54] <elbeta> rip
[13:05] <PhoenyxCullen> I'm having problems getting my lock screen to show 24-hour format on the time. How do I fix this? I'm using MATE.
[13:15] <PhoenyxCullen> I'll be back later.
[13:15] <brektyme> ioria: on the first link, there was a work around for the libc segfault (using the latest initrd and kernel) thanks
[13:15] <ioria> brektyme, ok
[13:15] <brektyme> now I'm hitting issues installing the kernel, looks like a dependancy problem with modules-extra
[13:17] <ioria> brektyme, what kernel -143 ?
[13:17] <brektyme> yes
[13:18] <ioria> brektyme, if you can, try -142
[13:19] <brektyme> by setting the version manually in the preseed?
[13:19] <ioria> yes
[13:20] <brektyme> kind of new to automated provisioning on debian derivatives
[13:20] <brektyme> ok I'll make that change, thanks
[13:20] <ioria> d-i base-installer/kernel/image string linux-image-4.4.0-142-generic
[13:21] <brektyme> do I want to put that before the tasksel?
[13:21] <brektyme> or does it not matter?
[13:22] <nasjsj> hello i face this issue : https://pastebin.com/Sh5V3yUa
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> nasjsj: seems more like a python problem?
[13:24] <nasjsj> lotuspsychje: idk tbh
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> nasjsj: maybe if you share more details, ubuntu version, kernel, ppa's added,..volunteers can think along
[13:25] <nasjsj> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 18.0.4 TLS
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> nasjsj: There is no such thing
[13:27] <nasjsj> 18.04.1
[13:27] <ioria> brektyme, before; (consider also the 18.04)
[13:27] <Peppep> Under "Software & Updates", if I try to enable one of the sources under "Other Software", nothing happens after clicking the checkbox. This is my second install with this issue, is it a known bug? Adding PPAs from the terminal works fine
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | nasjsj
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> Peppep: did you sudo apt update after?
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: What do you mean "nothing happens" ... what are you expecting to happen?
[13:29] <Peppep> The checkbox to actually be checked
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: Which box are you checking?
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: Please understand, we cannot see your screen. The more information you can provide, helps the volunteers here greatly
[13:30] <Peppep> pragmaticenigma: The one on the left side of the PPA that was automatically disabled during do-release-upgrade
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: That PPA was disabled due to the PPA not providing a channel for the current version of Ubuntu.
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: Please tell us what PPA this if for, also, which version of Ubuntu are you currently running?
[13:33] <Peppep> Hmm. It's not possible to check any of the boxes. For instance "Canonical Partners".
[13:34] <Peppep> The one I tried re-enabling right now was http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode. I'm on 19.04, but I had the same issue on 18.10
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: 19.04 is not released yet
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> !ubuntu+1 | Peppep
[13:35] <ioria> Peppep, btw vscode is available via snap
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: As I said before, the package repository does not provide a channel for your version of Ubuntu
[13:35] <brektyme> ioria: that did it thanks
[13:35] <brektyme> got a host provisioned
[13:35] <ioria> brektyme, good
[13:37] <Peppep> Which is why I specified that this was not a 19.04 specific issue. :) I was not able to check any of the boxes on 18.10, and tried after upgrading to 19.04 as well. Missing channels makes perfect sense for 19.04 (naturally), but wouldn't most repos have a Cosmic channel?
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: No, that's a decision of the developer/project in charge of the repo... Which is why support for PPA's here is very limited. It is encouraged to use the packages available in the default package repositories of Ubuntu.
[13:38] <Peppep> It seemed like a bug, because when clicking the checkbox, the window's background colour changes for about a second, and then just goes back to the normal view without making any changes or giving any error messages.
[13:39] <Peppep> Anyway, I'll continue using the terminal. Thanks
[13:39] <pragmaticenigma> Peppep: Many developers take a long time to begin issuing package repositories for the latest versions of Ubuntu. Also, many of those PPA's are for software that wasn't available for a particular version of Ubuntu, but is now included in the default repos
[13:42] <MacroMan> Is there a way to make mv quiet? It's outputting "mv: preserving times for 'filename': Operation not permitted"
[13:42] <MacroMan> Looked at the man, but couldn't see an option
[13:43] <rypervenche> MacroMan: 2>/dev/null
[13:43] <ioria> maybe redirect stderr
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> MacroMan: You could redirect all the output... Note that you will not see any output, including failure errors
[13:43] <MacroMan> Not the best. I would want it to output something if it fails
[13:44] <rypervenche> MacroMan: "mv: preserving times for 'filename': Operation not permitted" IS a failture.
[13:44] <rypervenche> failure*
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Peppep, I don't muck about with the sources.list on devel releases, which I test constantly, some repos are disabled for very good reasons
[13:44] <MacroMan> Hmm. I see. It actually copied the file before it died
[13:45] <MacroMan> Ah OK. I'll cp then rm then. Thanks
[13:45] <rypervenche> MacroMan: But it didn't preserve the timestamp. I'm guessing you're copying to a different file system that doesn't support timestamps?
[13:46] <MacroMan> NFS share on another ubuntu box
[13:46] <MacroMan> Probably permissions
[13:46] <Peppep> pragmaticenigma: apparently it was a bug, software-properties-gtk didn't ask for su password. With "sudo software-properties-gtk" I'm able to select Canonical Partners
[13:46] <MacroMan> It's OK though. cp then rm works fine. I don't need to preserve permissions
[13:47] <FrameFever> I have a question why is the default file explorer search in ubuntu 18.04 not working?
[13:48] <rypervenche> MacroMan: Out of curiosity, did you do something like "cp -a"?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> its working here FrameFever
[13:48] <Peppep> FrameFever: It's probably working for 99,9% of the users. Did it use to work for you? Did you make any changes?
[13:49] <MacroMan> rypervenche: No. Not something that I'm worried about. Perms get lost after that point anyway
[13:50] <MacroMan> or get reset to a different user anyway
[13:53] <Guest57994> hello
[13:53] <Guest57994> hello
[13:54] <Peppep> Hi Guest57994
[13:54] <Guest57994> How are you todat Peppep
[13:54] <Guest57994> *Today
[13:54] <tomreyn> !support | Guest57994
[13:55] <tomreyn> sorry, not the best match.
[13:55] <Guest57994> oke ubottu
[13:56] <FrameFever> Peppep: I am talking about this search here: https://i.imgur.com/uKmY3Bz.png
[13:56] <teward> tomreyn: i think you were looking for !offtopic ;)
[13:56] <FrameFever> I seach for "q3dscene"
[13:56] <FrameFever> which should show me the file, because it is inside the folder
[13:56] <FrameFever> but it shows me nothing after 5 seconds
[13:56] <FrameFever> or so
[13:57] <mjayk> what comes up when you type q3d
[13:57] <Peppep> Except the file is q3dsscene, not q3dscene
[13:58] <mra90> is have a timeout problem when I try to do scp
[13:58] <mra90> what may be the problem?
[13:58] <mra90> how to debug it
[13:58] <FrameFever> ahh your right
[13:59] <Peppep> :)
[13:59] <lordcirth> mra90, scp -vvv
[14:00] <alekksander> hello. is there a reason why i don't see firefox 66 yet? previously i used customized build and it worked differently with updates. how does it look on official?
[14:00] <mra90> lordcirth: and what can I use it for?
[14:00] <mra90> it doesn't say much
[14:01] <mra90> maybe there is a port mismatch
[14:01] <lordcirth> mra90, pastebin what you get. Also can you ping the machine?
[14:01] <tomreyn> mra90: maybe the server you're connecting to is not actually accepting connections on the port you're trying to connect to. or the parameters you pass to scp are not correct (e.g. copied from an ssh command, those are oftne different)
[14:01] <mra90> usage: scp [-12346BCpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file]
[14:01] <tomreyn> this suggests you provided incorrect parameters
[14:02] <acgissues> that's all it says? ^
[14:02] <mra90> tomreyn: good question, how to check if both peers use correct port?
[14:02] <lordcirth> mra90, I meant to run scp, with the server name as you were doing, plus -vvv. Not scp -vvv by itself
[14:03] <tomreyn> mra90: you don't need to. If scp returns the usage, it means you used it incorrectly
[14:03] <mra90> tomreyn: it just hangs on connecting
[14:03] <mra90> lordcirth, ^^
[14:03] <mra90> on port 22, after a while there is a timeout
[14:04] <lordcirth> mra90, and with -vvv it doesn't tell you anything else?
[14:04] <tomreyn> mra90: the outpout youposted above would not be returned at the same time scp would "just hang on connecting" - so one of the two is not actually happening.
[14:05] <tomreyn> mra90: what's the command you run - you can replace your server name by "example.org" and any ip addresses by "1.1.1.1" when sharing with us.
[14:05] <mra90>  connect to address ip_here port 22: Connection timed out
[14:07] <mra90> tomreyn: lordcirth : this is the command I use "scp -vvv file_name root@ip:/path/"
[14:07] <Peppep> pragmaticenigma, ioria: I finally found the bug affecting me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1727908
[14:07] <mra90> this is the standard I guess
[14:07] <lordcirth> mra90, can you ping the server?
[14:07] <mra90> lordcirth: by what command?
[14:07] <tomreyn> alekksander: the main reason is, i think that packaging cannot start before mozilla released it. which only happened yesterday, and packaging and testing takes some time.
[14:07] <mra90> just ping?
[14:08] <lordcirth> mra90, ping -c 3 <ip>
[14:08] <lordcirth> -c 3 will try 3 times, otherwise it goes until you cancel with ctrl-C
[14:08] <mra90> lordcirth: no response
[14:08] <mra90> yy sorry
[14:09] <mra90> 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2045ms
[14:09] <lordcirth> mra90, so this is not an scp/ssh problem, it's a standard networking problem
[14:09] <mra90> seems, to be ok right?
[14:09] <lordcirth> mra90,  100% packet loss means nothing got through
[14:10] <lordcirth> Do 'ip route get <ip>' and see if it returns the same IP as the default gateway that 'ip route' returns
[14:10] <OerHeks> Peppep, comment #10 Work-around : User arrow keys and press space to select
[14:11] <OerHeks> Peppep, and add yourself to the bugreport
[14:11] <mra90> lordcirth: and what should I look for from ip route get <ip>?
[14:12] <lordcirth> mra90, like I said, it will return the IP of the gateway it's using to get there.
[14:12] <mra90> yes it return the different ip
[14:12] <lordcirth> Then you can try pinging that gateway IP
[14:12] <mra90> 1.1.1.1.1 via 2.2.2.2. dev ens160  src
[14:13] <mra90> yes this one is reposning
[14:13] <lordcirth> mra90, is the server IP you are trying a local one, or a publicly routable one? And are you sure it's correct?
[14:14] <Peppep> OerHeks: Already tried it, space doesn't work for me. But running it as sudo software-properties-gtk works.
[14:14] <mra90> lordcirth: local one rather
[14:16] <mra90> lordcirth: when I tried to get ip address of my target i run ifconfig
[14:16] <mra90> it showed me some ip I later used for scp
[14:16] <mra90> however it hanged at connection stage
[14:16] <mra90> as I said
[14:16] <lordcirth> mra90, are you sure you got the right address?
[14:16] <mra90> lordcirth: no, how can I be sure?
[14:17] <mra90> on target machine I run ifconfig so I hoped it will give me prooper addres
[14:17] <lordcirth> mra90, it would, assuming you didn't copy the netmask, broadcast, etc instead.
[14:18] <mra90> so inet is right one yes?
[14:18] <tomreyn> ...or there is network address translation involved
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> mra90: Can you show us an example of what you entered for scp?
[14:18] <lordcirth> Yes, NAT would also mess things up, but I think he said it's on the local network?
[14:18] <mra90> pragmaticenigma: scp -vvv file_name root@ip:/path/
[14:19] <talexb> I have some feedback for the tasksel package, and since I have no clue, I'm starting here in my search. Suggestions?
[14:19] <mra90> lordcirth: yes I said so
[14:19] <tomreyn> sorry i had missed that
[14:19] <mra90> lordcirth: so, inet or broadcast ip?
[14:20] <lordcirth> mra90, You want inet on the main interface. If the address you have ends in .0, .1, or .255, it's probably wrong.
[14:20] <Krenair> Platonides, so I tried rebooting into recovery mode and also Windows, looks like it behaves the same way even there
[14:20] <mra90> lordcirth: no it ends with 27
[14:20] <Krenair> so can't be a Ubuntu thing after all
[14:20] <Krenair> I wonder how much the BIOS has to do with how the keyboard works
[14:20] <Krenair> I've noticed other problems with my keyboard too
[14:20] <tomreyn> talexb: tasksel is mostly replaced by apt tasks
[14:20] <OerHeks> talexb, what is your feedback? one can file a bugreport, not sure you found one..
[14:20] <lordcirth> mra90, and are the first 3 octets the same as the machine you're trying to connect from?
[14:20] <mra90> lordcirth: and what that ip route get <ip> gave us
[14:21] <mra90> what was that second ip?
[14:21] <lordcirth> mra90, the gateway it will use to get there.
[14:22] <qwebirc30279> Hi, anyone notices as well that Ubuntu 16.04 mirror lets kernel-generic fail to install?
[14:22] <mra90> that getaway seems to be my address
[14:22] <lordcirth> mra90, actually, was it "X via Y" or "dev Z src"?
[14:22] <mra90> lordcirth: the first one
[14:22] <qwebirc30279> found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1820366, thanks
[14:23] <mra90> lordcirth: wait
[14:23] <tomreyn> qwebirc30279: more details needed, such as "apt-get update" and "apt-get install <packagename>" command line output.
[14:23] <mra90> the dev z part was also there
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> mra90: Are you certain the SSH server allows login via root? By default it shouldn't.
[14:23] <tomreyn> !pastebin | qwebirc30279
[14:24] <tomreyn> gone...
[14:24] <lordcirth> mra90, If these are all local IPs, then pastebinning them shouldn't be a problem. Can you just pastebin 'ip route get <ip>'?
[14:25] <mra90> lordcirth: 1.1.1.1. via 2.2.2.2.2. dev ens160  src .2.2.2.2
[14:26] <lordcirth> The real ones might be more useful...
[14:30] <mra90> lordcirth: I am not sure if I can share them so I won't
[14:31] <talexb> OerHeks, I used tasksel to install opensel-server .. and, without knowing how the interface worked, unchecked the Ubuntu Desktop .. since I had that already. Tasksel then set about deleting my Ubuntu installation.
[14:31] <OerHeks> talexb, oke, that seems not a bug, but a feature that needs more communication..
[14:31] <mjayk> talexb, look at it as a life lesson, read before execute :D
[14:31] <talexb> Needless to say, this was a sub-optimal outcome, and I'd like to join the team that maintains this package to add some safeties.
[14:32] <lordcirth> mra90, well, it's hard enough to troubleshoot your network remotely without doing it blind. I suggest you learn the basics of networking and keep working on it.
[14:32] <talexb> mjayk, There was nothing to read .. but a warning would have been useful. "You're about to remove 1,280 packages .. do you want to proceed?"
[14:32] <OerHeks> talexb, you *could* file a bugreport : ubuntu bug-tasksel #
[14:32] <talexb> And I would have replied, "No!". All I wanted to do was install a package.
[14:33] <talexb> OerHeks, There was a bug report filed in 2010. Last activity was 2013 until my comment, yesterday, I think. Let me find the URL.
[14:33] <tomreyn> mra90: i'll use 1.1.1.1 as the servers' ip address here: on the server, run: "echo -e ^D | nc -vv 1.1.1.1", does this say (on the first line) that "Connection to 1.1.1.1 22 port [tcp/ssh] succeeded"?
[14:33] <OerHeks> talexb, but this thingy only happens if you run tasksel for the 2nd time
[14:35] <tomreyn> mra90: if this works on the server, then run the very same command also on the client which you were trying to scp from.
[14:37] <rapidwave> Isn't SSHd supposed to be running my default? How do I start it service sshd start didn't work
[14:37] <tomreyn> rapidwave: which ubuntu version?
[14:37] <rypervenche> rapidwave: You likely need to install openssh-server.
[14:37] <rapidwave> 18.04
[14:37] <OerHeks> rapidwave, yes, if you install ssh service, it runs.
[14:38] <OerHeks> sshd is the deamon, that keeps it alive
[14:38] <tomreyn> rapidwave: in addition to the above, use "systemctl", not "service", to manage services
[14:39] <talexb> OerHeks, Here's the link I found: https://askubuntu.com/questions/11889/sudo-tasksel-remove-lamp-server
[14:39] <talexb> And I was running it for the first time.
[14:41] <talexb> OerHeks, And here's the bug report. Notice my comment from 16 hours ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/574287
[14:41] <OerHeks> talexb, after installing your desktop, consider it as running twice, installed metapackages are shown properly, you just gave the command to unable it.
[14:41] <OerHeks> no dialog what is going to installed/removed is not gracefull, i agree
[14:41] <talexb> OerHeks, My question is, why would someone want to un-install the Ubuntu Desktop, something that involves deleting the system that's currently running?
[14:42] <talexb> Anyway, if tasksel has been deprecated in favour of tasks, I'll move on to that.
[14:42] <gyles19> Talexb: Headless servers don't need any desktop packages.
[14:43] <tomreyn> talexb: you might have accidentially installed a graphical desktop on a server, and want to undo this. but as i said before, you should prefer apt tasks over tasksel.
[14:43] <talexb> gyles19, True. I installed Ubuntu Server at a client site about a year ago, and it doesn't need X, for example.
[14:44] <gyles19> talexb: Exactly.  Installing a desktop on a server host is actually a bad idea, as it brings along NetworkManager that causes conflicts with things like kvm, libvirt, and other services that expect their access to the network stack will not be meddled with.
[14:45]  * talexb felt like he was watching the part of '2001: A Space Odyssey' where HAL's memories were slowly being unplugged. The desktop got stupider and stupider. Good thing the installation was only a few days old.
[14:47] <OerHeks>  gyles19, really?
[14:47] <OerHeks> talexb, linux is a learning curve, you won't make this misstake again :-)
[14:48] <gyles19> Oerheks: Yes.  libvirt expects to have control of the networks, and NetworkManager also bellieves this, and they battle over the network configuration.  My former manager was building servers with a desktop because (being a windows guy) he wanted the guis.
[14:49] <gyles19> Oerheks: he kept losing his vm networking and couldn't figure out why.  I told him repeatedly to remove the network manager packages, and he resisted because " I WANT A GUI!!"  He finally broke down and listend, removed NM, and all his libvert networking issues vanished.
[14:50] <talexb> gyles19, Sure, I totally understand that. Anyway, if it's a server, you don't need X on that .. that are other ways to find out what the server's up to.
[14:50] <OerHeks> desktop + ssh-service won't bite.
[14:51] <gyles19> talexb: I know this,  previous manager was a windows guy, not a linux guy, and I had disappeared suddenly into hospital for 11  months and he wanted stuff built.
[14:51] <talexb> Once I had re-installed, I just used apt-get to fetch and install openssh-server .. works fine.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> conversion to cli can be a revelation for GUI users once they see what can be done
[14:51] <mra90> tomreyn: the command echo -e ^D | nc -vv 1.1.1.1 returned sth different
[14:52] <talexb> But I'd like to pay the community back by at least adding some sort of warning so that Future Me isn't inconvenienced the same way.
[14:52] <mra90> This is nc from the netcat-openbsd package. An alternative nc is available in the netcat-traditional package.
[14:54] <mjayk> talexb, lots of documentation on the line
[14:56] <mra90> I must be doing sth wrong in this scp because the other way around also fails
[14:57] <mra90> the only copy I managed to do was localy
[14:57] <mra90> any other hangs on connection
[14:57] <mra90> maybe it is the port issue?
[15:00] <mra90> I can not even ping that target server, what si worng?
[15:01] <OerHeks> server down, most likely
[15:01] <mra90> ok looks like a firewall since it worked on yet anther machine
[15:01] <OerHeks> oh, a monologue .. carry on
[15:02] <tomreyn> mra90: sorry, i hadn't considered the other netcat package which uses different command parameters.
[15:02] <mra90> ok so I have more info now the target ip address is unacesible from outside world
[15:02] <mra90> any machine trying to ping it will get timeout eventually
[15:03] <mra90> the question is why? Firwall?
[15:03] <tomreyn> mra90: so talk to whoever manages the network.
[15:03] <tomreyn> they will know
[15:04] <Ool> if you need to wait a timeout, usually is a FW who denied the access
[15:04] <mra90> tomreyn: hmm but what may be the potential issue?
[15:05] <tomreyn> mra90: anything. i don't know your network architecture and my crstal ball is in maintenance.
[15:05] <mra90> ok
[15:07] <gyles19> mra90: I came late to the party and lack info, but I'd start debugging at a more basic level. Can this host ping its own ip address? Can it ping its default gateway?  If those both fail, the networking on that host is borked.  ssh wouldn't work at all until the pings work.
[15:07] <cryptodan> mra90: what is the IP?
[15:08] <mra90> gyles19: yes it can ping itself
[15:09] <mra90> but from outside this machine I can't
[15:09] <gyles19> mra90: Can it ping its default gateway?
[15:10] <cryptodan> mra90: whats the ip
[15:10] <mra90> gyles19: you need to help me, what is gateway in this case?
[15:10] <mra90> cryptodan: I don;t think I can share it
[15:10] <gyles19> mra90: does your ip start with 192.168, 172.16, or 10.?
[15:11] <mra90> gyles19: 10.
[15:11] <cryptodan> mra90: then you will need to open port 22 on the outside for ssh/scp to work
[15:11] <gyles19> mra90: Ok, then your network is using private/non-routable IP addresses and you can safely share them with us.
[15:11] <cryptodan> and forward that to your internal ip
[15:12] <rapidwave> I tried to edit the proftpd configuration file, but shell said new directory
[15:13] <mra90> cryptodan: gyles19 so I should enable port 22 on my local machine right?
[15:13] <gyles19> mra90: how many interfaces does your host contain?  "ifconfig | grep Link", does it have just an eth0 and an lo, or is its network more complex?
[15:13] <mra90> or that target with ip 10.
[15:13] <cryptodan> mra90: on the network that you are trying to scp to
[15:13] <mra90> and this is called host in this case?
[15:14] <mra90> the initiator of the ocmmunication
[15:14] <gyles19> mra90: Okay, the two hosts are on different networks?
[15:14] <aric49> Hi Everyone -- question about automated security patches in Ubuntu....   Reading about the unattended-upgrades package.  It looks like unattended-upgrades will automatically deploy security hotfixes.   After installing it, does it create its own cron job? Or run on any sort of schedule automatically? Or do I have to create one?
[15:14] <cryptodan> rapidwave: look in /etc/proftpd for the conf file
[15:15] <gyles19> aric49: unattended-upgrades drops a script on /etc/cron.daily for nightly execution.  You don't have to create anything to get it running, the package post-install does that for you.
[15:15] <gyles19> mra90: can the two computers you're talking about (I called the one you're talking most about 'host') ping each other's IP addresses?
[15:17] <tomreyn> gyles19: this used to be so and still is on older ubuntu releases -> "unattended-upgrades drops a script on /etc/cron.daily for nightly execution."
[15:18] <tomreyn> actually i'm not sure this was in cron-daily.
[15:20] <gyles19> tomreyn: /etc/cron.daily/apt
[15:20] <freeone3000> Hi, after a recent update to nvidia 982 drivers I'm getting some pretty significant input lag in KDE applications. Is there a way to see what's going on here?
[15:21] <tomreyn> gyles19: this is part of apt
[15:21] <gyles19> and yes, it's a cron job on 16.04 and older.  Looks like it converted into a daemon in 18.
[15:22] <aric49> Gotcha -- so simply by installing unattended-upgrades, it by default does a nightly patch install?
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: the 982 drivers?
[15:23] <gyles19> aric49: yes.  There are preferences you can tweak to target what, exactly, it will upgrade for you.
[15:23] <tomreyn> aric49: only security patches, i think. you can customize it in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[15:23] <gyles19> Oh, I give up.
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: ubuntu-drivers list please?
[15:24] <tomreyn> aric49: it will, always when you seek help here, help to state which ubuntu release you are inquiring about.
[15:24] <mra90> problem solved I was on different local network
[15:26] <unsp> hello
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome unsp
[15:27] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: nvidia-driver-390 nvidia-396
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: wich driver is currently active?
[15:28] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: nvidia-smi shows 396
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: and your card chipset please?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: sudo lshw -C video
[15:31] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: The one connected to the display is a GP107GL Quadro P400
[15:31] <freeone3000> (There's also a Radeon RX 580 connected to the computer, used only for compute.)
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: did your system reccomend 396?
[15:33] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: I needed it for CUDA 9.2.
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: you installed it yourself from a ppa, or is the 396 from ubuntu stock?
[15:34] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: This is from the nvidia run archive.
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: i would reccomend trying the one ubuntu proposes, maybe try a switch to 390?
[15:35] <freeone3000> 390 doesn't do cuda 9.2.
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: maybe try one from the ubuntu graphics ppa then?
[15:38] <freeone3000> I'll try that, thanks.
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | freeone3000
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: there's a 396.54 there
[15:46] <sentiment> hello
[15:46] <sentiment> FF is running very slow on 18.04
[15:46] <leftyfb> sentiment: define slow
[15:46] <sentiment> I can hear the CPU struggling while browsing with FF
[15:46] <sentiment> the usage goes up constantly
[15:46] <sentiment> it does not utilize the GPU
[15:47] <sentiment> hence it is slow with rendering the pages
[15:47] <sentiment> by hearing the CPU, of course I mean the fan noise
[15:48] <sentiment> I can start by giving you the performance info firefox://support
[15:48] <leftyfb> sentiment: got your proper video drivers installed?
[15:49] <sentiment> the default ones
[15:49] <sentiment> lshw shows the correct version and stuff
[15:49] <tomreyn> also check whether gpu acceleration is enabled in firefox preferences.
[15:49] <sentiment> but I haven't tried the properiatery oens
[15:50] <BluesKaj> sentiment, which default one?
[15:50] <sentiment> tomreyn:actually I tried to enable it but it didn't improve I think and I disabled it again. Or it got worse
[15:50] <sentiment> let me check again
[15:51] <sentiment> no, the gpu config is the default values right now (disabled)
[15:51] <tomreyn> defaults to on
[15:51] <tomreyn> be sure to answer BluesKaj's question, too
[15:51] <ras001> salut
[15:52] <sentiment> BluesKaj: RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650]
[15:52] <sentiment> tomreyn: not on my machine.
[15:53] <sentiment> enabled webgpu. gonna test again
[15:53] <BluesKaj> sentiment, let's find the driver in use with: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[15:54] <iTommix> Hi. I try to start an snap app from php (apache2 => User is www-data). i use this command „nohup /snap/bin/vlc -I dummy --sout-mux-caching=5000 rtp://@239.35.20.57:10000 --sout="#transcode{vcodec=h264,acodec=mp4a}:standard{access=file,mux=mp4,dst=/media/Media/Recorder/178228.mp4}" > /var/www/html/entertain/vlc.txt 2>&1 & echo $!“
[15:54] <sentiment> well, initial signs show improved speed. but that's not certain
[15:54] <iTommix> snap gives me this error: cannot create user data directory: /var/www/snap/vlc/770: Read-only file system
[15:55] <tomreyn> sentiment: not sure what "webgpu", i was referring to Menu -> Edit -> Preferences -> Performance -> Use recommended performance settings
[15:55] <sentiment> tomreyn: about://config
[15:55] <iTommix> the permission in /var/www/snap is correct (www-data)
[15:55] <shadrowramm> So I've modified my pam.d config to require the Yubico for 2nd factor for Login and Sudo, but it doesn't apparently require the 2nd factor to installation though the Software Manager... any thoughts?
[15:56] <sentiment> BluesKaj: lspci -nnk |
[15:56] <sentiment> BluesKaj: radeon
[15:56] <tomreyn> sentiment: the dom.webgpu.enable property is not what i was referring to
[15:56] <sentiment> but let me see if it has really improved
[15:56] <sentiment> tomreyn: but it is the one that has any effect at all
[15:57] <sentiment> the usual prefs is for regular users , and I know my way around such stuff to a certain degree
[16:00] <tomreyn> sentiment: the webgpu preference should have zero impact on anything at this time.
[16:01] <novum> looking to install ripgrep on WSL. best way?
[16:02] <sentiment> tomreyn: are you sure?
[16:02] <tomreyn> !wsl | novum
[16:03] <tomreyn> novum: generally, apt update && apt install <packagename>
[16:03] <novum> not in repo
[16:03] <tomreyn> sentiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGPU
[16:04] <iTommix> mc
[16:04] <iTommix> oops
[16:06] <tomreyn> sentiment: maybe this certain degree is above average users' understanding but not complete, and you don't always read documentation before you tweak knobs you don't actually know what they do?
[16:10] <leftyfb> novum: ripgrep is not part of any of the official packages in Ubuntu. Also, as pointed out to you earlier, We do not support WSL here. Go to #ubuntu-on-windows
[16:10] <ioria> it's in snap
[16:10] <tomreyn> iTommix: this will be apparmor restrictions, please familiarise yourself with the snap security models (confinement) https://docs.snapcraft.io/choosing-a-security-model/6847  and and permissions https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/11/01/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces .
[16:11] <iTommix> tomreyn: yes… read something about this already… could be something with „snap connect“ am i right?
[16:12] <leftyfb> tomreyn: ah, so it is
[16:12] <leftyfb> er, ioria
[16:12] <novum> they almost banned me from ##windows. If anone knows, I'm still here. Unfortunately, I get an error message from snap saying that I can't interact with snapd because it's unavailable.
[16:12] <leftyfb> novum: We do not support WSL here. Go to #ubuntu-on-windows
[16:12] <novum> no one is in there
[16:13] <leftyfb> novum: incorrect
[16:13] <leftyfb> novum: ask your question there and wait for someone to respond
[16:13] <tomreyn> iTommix: ask in #snappy
[16:14] <iTommix> tomreyn: will do… thanks :)
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> novum: another way is to install ubuntu and you get support here
[16:16] <ioria> novum, if you can install one, there is also a ppa
[16:18] <novum> dunno. don't want to get banned. plz stop messaging me in here. Have an update? PM me, if you'd be so kind. Otherwise, I'll figure it out. tx
[16:19] <novum> I'll try a ppa good idea. thanks a bunch
[16:19] <eden> 18.10 getting Activation of network connection failed on my ethernet, have used this workstation ongoing since 18.10 release, any ideas?
[16:19] <eden> ethernet works fine to other computers
[16:19] <leftyfb> novum: you will not get banned from #ubuntu-on-windows. That is the proper channel to ask for help. Not ##windows. Not #ubuntu.
[16:19] <novum> I asked. I await. I want ripgrep asap because I need it. sorry to bother
[16:21] <ioria> eden, restart network-manager, check dmesg, ip a ; ... etc etc ..
[16:21] <sentiment> tomreyn: I'm sorry, I mixed up the gpu acceleration features
[16:22] <sentiment> actually it was not the webgpu that did anything, I have already tweaked some other envvars
[16:22] <sentiment> and they are supposd to improve things
[16:22] <sentiment> what does your about:support section about gpu show?
[16:22] <sentiment> for me it shows WEBRENDER forced enabled by envvar
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> eden: is your network card driver loaded? sudo lshw -C network
[16:23] <eden> ioria: weird third restart and it works.... going to log those ideas for if issues occur again.
[16:23] <ioria> ok
[16:23] <eden> lotuspsychje, thanks, I'll note that too
[16:23] <novum> ppa worked. thanks ioria ... that was my last resort, but I guess it worked. back to work
[16:23] <ioria> novum, good
[16:24] <JoeD> Hi! I'm writing a script to backup some stuff. Should I write it using sh or bash?
[16:25] <leftyfb> JoeD: ask in #bash
[16:26] <SimonNL> JoeD: do both and see which one works out best
[16:26] <JoeD> alright!
[16:27] <Richard_Cavell> Is there a way I can ensure that Ubuntu doesn't download and install any updates automatically?  My computer has trouble booting and it's a real pain whenever I have to reboot due to a software update.  I'm on 16.04 MATE.
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Richard_Cavell: in software&updates you can enable or disable auto updates
[16:29] <hodor123456> does ubuntu allow multiple versions of a software/package?
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> !mix | hodor123456
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: can you explain what your plan is?
[16:30] <hodor123456> I just want to know about apt package manager
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: explain a bit what you are trying to do, so volunteers can think with you
[16:31] <kinghat> is there something instead of xsel to use for hastebin?
[16:31] <kinghat> something thats already installed?
[16:32] <hodor123456> lotuspsychje, actually I am going to make a package manager 'pkg' for octave, so I need to know how other package manager behaves.
[16:33] <hodor123456> lotuspsychje, is it bad idea to provide support for multiple versions coexistence?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: the repos contain the packages, the package manager distributes them to the system with specific architecture and release
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: so not really sure yet what you are gonna do exactly?
[16:39] <kinghat> i realize i can install xsel but ppl have given me a command to run that copied the console output to a paste service and i didnt have to install anything. i just dont remember what they told me to use.
[16:40] <bindi> kinghat: do you mean piping to "nc termbin.com 9999"?
[16:41] <kinghat> thats probably what it was
[16:41] <leftyfb> kinghat: there's also pastebinit
[16:42] <kinghat> ya im trying to setup hastebin but i think it needs xsel.
[16:42] <hodor123456> lotuspsychje, yes, actually now I am in idea phase and 'pkg' has many flaws.
[16:42] <hodor123456> So, I have to make a clear vision first.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: explain us more about it please, maybe there exist something like it already?
[16:44] <lordcirth> hodor123456, if you think you need 2 versions of the same package, you are probably mistaken.
[16:44] <Krenair> I ran updates on bionic and now VLC crashes on start
[16:44] <Krenair> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:45] <hodor123456> lotuspsychje, would you mind if I redirect to the link?
[16:45] <lordcirth> Krenair, you may need to reboot after kernel updates for nvidia drivers to work
[16:45] <hodor123456> the goals are,
[16:45] <hodor123456> keep multiple versions of the same package installed side-by-side
[16:45] <hodor123456> keep multiple versions of Octave in a system using the same installed packages
[16:45] <lordcirth> hodor123456, and why do you need multiple versions of Octave?
[16:46] <kinghat> what is wrong with this command?: cat apt list --installed | grep ruby | haste | xsel
[16:46] <hodor123456> lordcirth, some people need to install multiple versions of a software.
[16:46] <lordcirth> kinghat, 'cat' reads files or stdin and outputs on stdout
[16:46] <lordcirth> kinghat, Remove the 'cat'
[16:46] <hodor123456> I heard some developers have installed 4+ versions of octave.
[16:47] <lordcirth> hodor123456, Octave developers, or others? And they wouldn't have done so through apt.
[16:47] <hodor123456> beside, multiple version of same package is common
[16:47] <hodor123456> yes, octave developers, I think to test them.
[16:48] <lordcirth> hodor123456, you could perhaps use Nix to have multiple versions installed and toggle between them quickly.
[16:48] <hodor123456> lordcirth, does it allow multiple version of a package?
[16:49] <hodor123456> lordcirth, btw thanks.
[16:49] <kinghat> lordcirth: that seems to just copy the command
[16:49] <lordcirth> hodor123456, it lets you switch which version is available instantly
[16:50] <lordcirth> kinghat, to debug a set of piped commands, start with the first one and add one at a time.
[16:51] <hodor123456> lordcirth, how does it deal with dependency hell issue?
[16:51] <lordcirth> hodor123456, I think it will switch the dependencies out at the same time, if need be.
[16:51] <kinghat> lordcirth: ya it seems xsel is just copying the command rather than the haste url output.
[16:52] <lordcirth> kinghat, that doesn't make sense. xsel wouldn't have access to the command, just stdin. Somehow the command is getting sent over stdin instead of being run.
[16:52] <lordcirth> hodor123456, But I haven't used Nix to switch package versions like this, so I don't know.
[16:53] <hodor123456> lordcirth, ohh. thanks btw.
[16:54] <u0_a158> hi all
[16:54] <u0_a158> how are you
[16:54] <leftyfb> !support | u0_a158
[16:55] <u0_a158> quit
[16:55] <kinghat> i just had the command in clipboard, but xsel just isnt copying anything.
[16:58] <lordcirth> kinghat, ah, you want xsel to take stdin and put it in your clipboard?
[16:58] <kinghat> ya
[16:58] <lordcirth> kinghat, you need xsel -i
[16:59] <kinghat> linux: `cat something | haste | xsel` is what the docs are saying: https://hasteb.in/about.md
[16:59] <lordcirth> kinghat, well, 'man xsel' says otherwise
[16:59] <Krenair> lordcirth, I have rebooted
[16:59] <Krenair> but no luck
[16:59] <Krenair> lordcirth, I tried sudo find / -name libvdpau_nvidia.so
[16:59] <Krenair> nothing
[16:59] <lordcirth> Krenair, so, what drivers did you have installed before?
[17:00] <Krenair> don't remember
[17:00] <kinghat> lordcirth: no biggie. im going to make an alias for it all anyways.
[17:00] <kinghat> xsel -i is not working either.
[17:01] <leftyfb> kinghat: what are you typing on either side of "xsel -i" ? It's not rendering in my IRC client
[17:02] <kinghat> its a monotype thing as my client doesnt render backticks for code.
[17:02] <kinghat> xsel -i doesnt work for me, though.
[17:03] <lordcirth> Ah, apparently -i is automatic if stdin isn't a terminal
[17:04] <leftyfb> kinghat: it works fine in my testing
[17:04] <JoeLlama> when I do a sudo apt-get update or a sudo apt-get upgrade, where do the files go?  Do I need to execute anything or are the files automatically installed?
[17:05] <lordcirth> JoeLlama, 'update' refreshes metadata. 'upgrade' will install the new packages.
[17:05] <leftyfb> kinghat: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/fRJBPwwP4x/
[17:05] <lordcirth> JoeLlama, files go to all sorts of places, such as /bin.
[17:05] <JoeLlama> ah ok lordcirth
[17:06] <JoeLlama> oic... so like I don't have to do anything else right lordcirth?  Just do the apt-get thing and the rest is automatic?
[17:06] <lordcirth> JoeLlama, yes.
[17:06] <JoeLlama> sweet
[17:06] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: correct. Are you having some sort of issue?
[17:06] <JoeLlama> thanks
[17:06] <kinghat> lordcirth/leftyfb: https://hasteb.in/itujeten.rb
[17:06] <lordcirth> kinghat, xsel, by default, puts the selection in the middle-click buffer, not the Ctrl-V one.
[17:06] <JoeLlama> I have LOTS of issues leftyfb but not with the computer... unbutu seems to work nicely
[17:07] <leftyfb> kinghat: you didn't show any issues with xsel
[17:07] <legreffier> are you sure haste will write the url on stdout and not stderr ?
[17:07] <kinghat> leftyfb: i was just showing whats in my clipboard
[17:07] <lordcirth> kinghat, if you want Ctrl-V paste, use xsel -b
[17:08] <leftyfb> kinghat: no you didn't. You showed 2 commands trying to pull input into your clipboard. No output or what's in the clipboard
[17:08] <leftyfb> kinghat: what is "haste"? It's not a binary in any ubuntu packages
[17:08] <kinghat> leftyfb: sorry, line nine is just what was in my clipboard.
[17:08] <kinghat> its hastebin.
[17:08] <lordcirth> leftyfb, gem install haste. The problem isn't with it, though.
[17:09] <lordcirth> kinghat, did you paste using ctrl-shift-v, or middle-click?
[17:09] <leftyfb> kinghat: use xsel -o # to output from the xsel clipboard
[17:09] <kinghat> lordcirth: i didnt know there was more than one clipboard, sorry.
[17:10] <lordcirth> no problem. I figured that was it.
[17:11] <leftyfb> kinghat: there's also xclip
[17:11] <kinghat> lordcirth: i always use ctrl+v. figured that was the same as middle+click?
[17:11] <lordcirth> kinghat, nope, they are separate buffers
[17:12] <lordcirth> But it can seem that way, since if you highlight something and then Ctrl-C, they will both have the same content
[17:13] <kinghat> ya
[17:13] <kinghat> leftyfb: would xclip be superior in the case?
[17:13] <leftyfb> kinghat: try it
[17:14] <leftyfb> kinghat: also, from the man page of xsel: -b, --clipboard       Operate on the CLIPBOARD selection
[17:14] <lordcirth> Yeah, I said that above
[17:15] <leftyfb> ah, missed that
[17:16] <Krenair> lordcirth, I found that if I went to the software settings, additional drivers, switched to proprietary drivers, rebooted
[17:16] <Krenair> that did the trick
[17:17] <JalmariHuitsikko> what's easiest vnc/rdp to setup with 18.04 lts, preferrably with some sort of security
[17:18] <leftyfb> JalmariHuitsikko: VNC as a protocol isn't all that secure. Not something I would recommend over the internet or over a insecure network
[17:18] <leftyfb> JalmariHuitsikko: that said, I prefer x11vnc
[17:19] <leftyfb> JalmariHuitsikko: if you want remote desktop over the internet or an insecure network, I suggest teamviewer.com
[17:19] <JalmariHuitsikko> i'm playing around with x11vnc but I am not sure how to make it start on boot
[17:19] <JalmariHuitsikko> hmm
[17:19] <kinghat> what is the difference between -o and -b in xsel?
[17:19] <leftyfb> JalmariHuitsikko: autostart in gnome
[17:19] <leftyfb> kinghat: read the man page
[17:20] <leftyfb> kinghat: xsel --help
[17:27] <kinghat> is it possible to do the haste + xsel -b and also have the output go to console as well?
[17:39] <CoolerY> hey
[17:40] <CoolerY> does ubuntu 14.04 not support guest additions if its a console install?
[17:40] <CoolerY> I am trying to install virtualbox guest additions in a ubuntu 14.04 vm
[17:40] <CoolerY> but it keeps saying that this machine is not setup for building kernels
[17:41] <CoolerY> that I need to install linux headers, but I already install linux-headers-generic
[17:41] <CoolerY> and I restarted the guest OS
[17:41] <OerHeks> !info virtualbox-guest-additions-iso trusty
[17:41] <OerHeks> it is available, multiverse repo
[17:42] <OerHeks> but really, trusty? it is EOL in a month
[17:43] <OerHeks> and the headers; sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[17:44] <OerHeks> !crosspost | CoolerY
[18:07] <lordcirth> kinghat, haste | tee /dev/stderr | xsel -b
[18:15] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm thinking about buying a machine with an i3-8100, 8 gigs RAM and 1tb hard disk to run Windows 10 on the machine and ubuntu in a VM.  Will this machine be powerful enough?
[18:16] <lordcirth> Richard_Cavell, Ubuntu desktop? Bit tight on RAM but should work. But you should really get an SSD.
[18:17] <Richard_Cavell> yeah ubuntu current non-LTS release, MATE, for coding at the command line mainly
[18:18] <lordcirth> Richard_Cavell, If you only need to write code, you could use WSL
[18:18] <lordcirth> !wsl
[18:18] <Richard_Cavell> thanks but I like the whole MATE environment and I want my coding to be completely separate from my Facebook/games
[18:18] <tomreyn> or just run ubuntu serve rin a VM
[18:18] <matsaman> What does '0ubuntu0' mean in package versions?
[18:19] <lordcirth> matsaman, can you give an example package?
[18:19] <matsaman> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/postgresql-9.5/
[18:19] <lordcirth> Richard_Cavell, then use facebook and play games on Linux.
[18:19] <tomreyn> 'ubuntu0' is an ubuntu build number
[18:19] <matsaman> the right-most column, it lists packages with what look like ordinary versions to me, and then preceding all those, ones with '0ubuntu0' within
[18:20] <lordcirth> Richard_Cavell, and code in an LXC container.
[18:20] <matsaman> tomreyn: so does it denote a package/version that is for a legacy version, or?
[18:21] <tomreyn> no
[18:21] <matsaman> I'd like to know what it means
[18:21] <tomreyn> i *think* ubuntu0.16.04 means first build of this version for ubuntu 16.04
[18:22] <tomreyn> -0 being the patch level
[18:22] <tomreyn> and 9.5.13 is the software developers' version number
[18:22] <matsaman> '0' of 'ubuntu0' being the patch level?
[18:22] <matsaman> oh sorry
[18:22] <matsaman> '-0' of '-0ubuntu...' being?
 -0 being the patch level
[18:23] <matsaman> -patchUBUNTUcountFromZero.ubuntuversion
[18:23] <matsaman> like that?
[18:24] <matsaman> are they only for status 'superseded' packages?
[18:24] <legreffier> ubuntu0 is just the packaging version
[18:25] <matsaman> I don't understand why there are packages that follow that naming convention and packages completely without it both
[18:25] <tomreyn> i think that "9.5.13" is the software developers' version number, "-0" is the ubuntu patch (set / diff to the upstream codes) level / version, "ubuntu0.16.04" indicates first (0) build for Ubuntu 16.04
[18:25] <legreffier> matsaman: because there's several X0,000 of them, it usually gets messy
[18:26] <matsaman> is it common for 0ubuntu0 style packages to be preferred over non-0ubuntu0 ones? Vice versa? Neither?
[18:28] <legreffier> the standard in ubuntu is : [upstream]-[debianpatch]ubuntu[ubuntupatch]
[18:28] <matsaman> ohooooo
[18:28] <matsaman> you got docs/a link?
[18:29] <CookieM> preferred are those already installed when new version comes up
[18:30] <tomreyn> the second answer at https://serverfault.com/questions/604541/debian-packages-version-convention discusses this, but that's obviously not an official document like the debian policy
[18:31] <legreffier> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[18:31] <matsaman> hrmmmm
[18:31] <legreffier> matsaman:
[18:32] <nevodka> Hi. Running 16.04 LTS here w/ Unity. I was having issues disabling the ssh-agent keyring when initiating an SSH connection w/ a key that has a password.
[18:32] <matsaman> so is it that this convention is more for package _file names_, and when you're using the package manager/frontends themselves it's abstracted to a simple version (#-#.#) that looks more ordinary?
[18:32] <nevodka> I wanted it to ask me to enter the password every time rather than persist the key in memory and auto enter it.
[18:32] <nevodka> The only solution I found to this was to unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK, but now I've found nobody can ssh into my user with that unset.
[18:33] <legreffier> matsaman: no. packages file name should be cohesive with the metadatas.
[18:34] <leftyfb> nevodka: try uninstalling seahorse
[18:34] <matsaman> legreffier: Then I still don't get it. Is it for Ubuntu-specific packages only, and packages taken directly from Debian are without it?
[18:34] <nevodka> leftyfb: I don't have seahorse installed.
[18:35] <leftyfb> nevodka: then you're not running the default installation of Ubuntu 16.04 desktop
[18:35] <CookieM> the packages “touched” by ubuntu devs have this suffix, the others are strait from debian sid repo
[18:35] <CoolerY> why can't I change the damn display resolution?
[18:35] <matsaman> Okay. I think that all makes enough sense to me. Thanks all of you =)
[18:35] <CoolerY> I am trying to change the display resolution of a ubuntu 14.04 install in a vm
[18:36] <matsaman> CoolerY: with plain Ubuntu?
[18:36] <matsaman> CoolerY: you probably need the guest additions installed
[18:36] <CoolerY> ubuntu 14.04
[18:36] <matsaman> CoolerY: which VM system?
[18:36] <CoolerY> I have that
[18:36] <JuJUBee> I have a remote (nfs) volume I want to rsync files from another server to.  Is it better to rsync to the remote server or from the remote server?
[18:36] <CoolerY> virtualbox
[18:36] <tomreyn> CoolerY: don't waste you tiome on making 14.04 work, upgrade before it goes EOL
[18:36] <leftyfb> CoolerY: you know 14.04 will be EOL in less than a month right?
[18:36] <matsaman> CoolerY: this is the process: https://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-debian/
[18:37] <nevodka> leftyfb: It may have gotten uninstalled during my fiddling
[18:37] <CoolerY> can console only installs not change display resolution?
[18:38] <matsaman> CoolerY: that wouldn't surprise me
[18:38] <leftyfb> CoolerY: sudo update-alternatives --confure console-setup
[18:38] <matsaman> but if it's console only you can just ssh in
[18:38] <CoolerY> leftyfb, what does that do?
[18:38] <leftyfb> CoolerY: change the "display resolution"
[18:38] <matsaman> it probably updates the font size and cols/rows
[18:38] <leftyfb> right
[18:38] <CoolerY> leftyfb, the number of rows and cols?
[18:38] <matsaman> in a non-dynamic fashion, I would guess
[18:39] <nevodka> leftyfb: killing gnome-keyring-daemon does it actually
[18:39] <CoolerY> --confure ?
[18:39] <matsaman> Not sure why you'd want to deal with the tedious VirtualBox GUI if you only want console. SSH in and be happy.
[18:39] <CoolerY> or --configure ?
[18:39] <leftyfb> CoolerY: type. --configure
[18:40] <leftyfb> er, typo
[18:40] <leftyfb> damnit ... doing too many things at once ... as usual
[18:40] <OerHeks> CoolerY, is this vm still that virtualbox issue?
[18:40] <CoolerY> unknown option configure
[18:41] <CoolerY> OerHeks, nope
[18:41] <CoolerY> that issue was fixed
[18:43] <CoolerY> leftyfb, ?
[18:43] <leftyfb> CoolerY: ?
[18:43] <CoolerY> that command doesn't work
[18:43] <CoolerY> it says unknown option configure
[18:44] <leftyfb> CoolerY: sudo update-alternatives --config console-setup
[18:44] <OerHeks> i think you need to check the virtualbox settingsgpu memory and such
[18:44] <CoolerY> error: no alternative for console-setup
[18:44] <matsaman> vbox > Settings > Network > Port Forwarding: forward 2222 to 22, then ssh -p 2222 user@localhost
[18:44] <CoolerY> error: no alternatives for console-setup
[18:44] <leftyfb> CoolerY: my bad. sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[18:47] <CoolerY> leftyfb, what does that do?
[18:47] <CoolerY> change to a graphical install?
[18:47] <matsaman> what he said it does earlier
[19:07] <Holiday> Can anyone tell me why in the world openjdk11 is really jdk10?
[19:07] <Holiday> and why you didn't just say 11 isn't avail
[19:07] <Holiday> er why ubuntu (not you)
[19:08] <OerHeks> 11 is a symlink to 11, as openjdk is under testing
[19:08] <OerHeks> to 10*
[19:09] <OerHeks> see proposed > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-openjdk-11-packages-in-bionic-proposed-and-cosmic-proposed/10229
[19:09] <Holiday> yeah but with Java apps already tending to being flaky with versions, why add to the confusion
[19:09] <OerHeks> when bionic hit the streets, 11 was not ready
[19:09] <Holiday> sure, that's fine, but why not just not include the 11 package
[19:09] <Holiday> just seems a bit silly
[19:12] <Holiday> (I mean I understand you want it to just auto update to the correct 11 vs an uninstall - install or whatever, but.. still)
[19:13] <OerHeks> Debian is also affected by the new OpenJDK release cycle
[19:14] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-lts
[19:20] <Holiday> guess it is what it is, just really weird way of going about it to me.
[19:20] <Holiday> Thanks for the info though Oerheks!
[19:23] <OerHeks> Holiday, have fun! one could remove openjdk10 and install it by hand, or enable proposed.. but that might need some checking what will upgraded, maybe unwanted
[19:42] <vilitaltti> hi! I just installed lubuntu 18.04.2 with encryption partition. The default software audaciuos has serious memory problems and contional jumps (checked by valgrind). Almost 50mb memory loss. How do I report this correct way?
[19:45] <jeremy31> vilitaltti: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:45] <vilitaltti> jeremy31: thank you :)
[20:02] <kapcom01> hello. I have ubuntu 18.04 and when I run do-release-upgrade, I get: Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[20:03] <ioria> kamdard, do you want cosmic 18.10 ?
[20:03] <kapcom01> sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade, does not find any updates.
[20:04] <kapcom01> yes, I want 18.10 because I suspect that gnome is a lot faster on 18.10.
[20:04] <kapcom01> than 18.04*
[20:04] <ioria> kamdard, sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[20:04] <leftyfb> kapcom01: I do not think you'll notice that much of am improvement with 18.10. Do you have the proper video drivers installed?
[20:05] <ioria> kapcom01, , sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[20:05] <kapcom01> 0 upgraded, 0 newly install0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:05] <kapcom01> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:05] <kapcom01> ed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:05] <ioria> kapcom01, grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[20:05] <kapcom01> sorry about the multiple copy paste...
[20:05] <kapcom01> Prompt=normal
[20:05] <Bashing-om> kapcom01: What shows fir the prompt in the file "/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" ?
[20:07] <ioria> kapcom01, 64bit, right ? any proposal or weird things installed or set ?
[20:08] <kapcom01> yes 64bit. I have one or teo ppas.. should I remove them and try again?
[20:09] <ioria> kapcom01, unlikely they are the culprits .... but you can try
[20:10] <dennis_> german
[20:10] <dennis_> ???
[20:14] <ioria> kapcom01, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1799009
[20:14] <ioria> ah, invalid
[20:18] <pi0> The command could not be located because '/snap/bin' is not included in the PATH environment variable.
[20:18] <pi0> is this set in the .profile
[20:18] <kapcom01> ioria, I ran sudo update-manager and now it worked.. without sudo it was crashing when I clicked to upgrade.
[20:18] <ioria> kapcom01, intereresting
[20:22] <qwebirc29431> hi guys, can I do over ssh a init 1 && init 3? would this work or init 1 would kill the next command for init 3 and get stuck on init 1? thx :)
[20:24] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: why are you using "init" for anything? what exactly are you trying to accomplush?
[20:25] <leftyfb> *accomplish
[20:25] <qwebirc29431> I just dont want to reboot the complete server and just kind of refresh it with a init 1, than get back to init 3
[20:26] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: what do you mean "refresh"?
[20:26] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: do you mean restart the desktop UI?
[20:26] <qwebirc29431> reload all services from scratch
[20:26] <qwebirc29431> dont wanna loose 500 days uptime :)
[20:26] <leftyfb> :/
[20:26] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: why do you need to restart services?
[20:26] <qwebirc29431> just getting sluggish a little lately, hahaha
[20:27] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: restarting a service just for the sake of it does nothing
[20:27] <qwebirc29431> bit silly i know :)
[20:27] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: yes, very silly. And based on a misunderstanding
[20:27] <qwebirc29431> so would it work :)
[20:27] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: if it's a desktop, just restart the desktop manager
[20:27] <qwebirc29431> its remote server
[20:27] <qwebirc29431> not desktop
[20:28] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: if it's a server with services like apache or mysql, restarting those services does no improve performance
[20:28] <leftyfb> no/not
[20:28] <qwebirc29431> ok thanks, so a  but useless doing it than
[20:28] <qwebirc29431> but/bit
[20:28] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: yes
[20:28] <OerHeks> loosing 500 days lols .. you have kernel updates, and such, waiting
[20:28] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: if it's a server getting "sluggish", time to troubleshoot.
[20:30] <qwebirc29431> well thanks for making me work more than I wanted to, haha cheers ;)
[20:30] <leftyfb> qwebirc29431: what version of ubuntu?
[20:31] <qwebirc29431> 16.04
[20:34] <castillo_> hola estoy teniendo el problema de la pantalla negra en linux mint cinnamon.... alguien sabe como desahilitar la hibernacion y la suspencion
[20:35] <Bashing-om> !mint | castillo_
[20:36] <pi0> leftyfb: i tried setting up snap wifi-ap
[20:36] <castillo_> thanks
[20:36] <pi0> on ubuntu running i3
[20:36] <pi0> but no luck, is there antoher way that is cli?
[20:36] <leftyfb> pi0: I think you should look into getting it to work as opposed to looking for another solution
[20:37] <leftyfb> pi0: There's lots of documentation on it. Did you read through it all?
[20:39] <pi0> i did
[20:39] <pi0> keep in mind its within a vbox
[20:39] <pi0> i have confirmed the usb device is working properly within the vm
[20:41] <pi0> but iw list should work
[20:41] <pi0> or list something
[20:41] <pi0> hmm
[20:42] <pi0> i did sudo ifconfig <adapter> up
[20:43] <pi0> ifconfig and iwconfig both show the <adapter>
[20:44] <boomboom> double-clicking a shell script opens the editor insted of executing it - the file has 'x' permission and the file properties in fileexplorer has execute checkbox checked for "allow executing file as program"
[20:44] <boomboom> any help please?
[20:44] <boomboom> i am on ubuntu 18.04
[20:58] <pi0> leftyfb: if i want to enable non-free contribe on my sources how do i add that
[20:59] <leftyfb> pi0: that's not an Ubuntu repo
[20:59] <OerHeks> !sources
[21:01] <OerHeks> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu <version> partner
[21:01] <OerHeks> deb  http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner
[21:01] <OerHeks> sudo sed -i.bak "/^# deb .*partner/ s/^# //" /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[21:01] <OerHeks> easy to find
[21:02] <leftyfb> OerHeks: what are you suggesting?
[21:02] <OerHeks> partner is the non free?
[21:03] <leftyfb> oh right, ok
[21:03] <pi0> wait does that work for 18.04
[21:04] <pi0> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic partner
[21:04] <pi0> deb  http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic partner
[21:04] <OerHeks> that would be correct
[21:06] <Technological> Anyone have any experience with Ubuntu not showing ANY audio input devices? Seems like I plug in audio input into my mic in and line in jacks but nothing ever shows up
[21:07] <pi0> deb-src: command not found
[21:07] <pi0> lol
[21:08] <OerHeks> Technological, normally that would work realtime, did you check alsamixer F4 capture, or even F6 select audiodevice ?
[21:08] <pi0> geez im really new
[21:08] <OerHeks> pio sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:08] <pi0> is that a package to install or am i doing something wrong
[21:08] <jeremy31> pi0: try adding the partner repos in software & updates, additional repos
[21:08] <OerHeks> then paste that line, and save it
[21:10] <Technological> OerHeks, I am using PulseAudio I think, but I'll look around here for AlsaMixer hold on
[21:11] <pi0> got it
[21:11] <pi0> did it and apt updated
[21:11] <pi0> is firmware-realtek still a package on bionic
[21:12] <OerHeks> easy to find pio
[21:12] <jeremy31> pi0: never has been a package in Ubuntu for a while
[21:12] <OerHeks> ]oh, spoiler
[21:12] <jeremy31> pi0: it is part of linux-firmware
[21:13] <jeremy31> pi0: wifi issues on a HP?
[21:13] <pi0> hmm
[21:14] <pi0> wifi works fine but here is the lsusb
[21:14] <jeremy31> low signal strength, disconnects
[21:14] <pi0> surface pro
[21:14] <pi0> 0bda:0179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188ETV Wireless LAN 802.11n Network Adapter
[21:14] <pi0> ifconfig and iwconfig show the adapter
[21:14] <Technological> Alright Alsamixer shows me that it has Front-mic but when I use the audio settings tab it doesn't show anything there
[21:15] <pi0> command failed: No such device (-19)
[21:15] <pi0> with i type iw <adapter> info
[21:16] <pi0> could that be a driver issue?
 wifi works fine  ??
[21:17] <pi0> well its a virtualbox
[21:17] <pi0> sharing it with nat
[21:17] <jeremy31> pi0: use https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu and blacklist r8188eu
[21:17] <OerHeks> why would you need wireless drivers in virtualbox?
[21:17] <OerHeks> the host gives networking
[21:18] <pi0> i want to add an adapter
[21:18] <OerHeks> then fix that in virtualbox
[21:18] <Technological> Last time I tried virtual box I needed to configure it to use the hosts plugged in usbs
[21:19] <jeremy31> I think pi0 has the VB settings set to allow the guest to use the USB adapter
[21:19] <pi0> i can see the adapter in there
[21:19] <Technological> pavcontrol still shows no audio inputs after selecting rear mic and line as sources
[21:19] <pi0> let me see if it can connect to wifi
[21:20] <pi0> without netowkr adapter enabled
[21:20] <jeremy31> pi0: in terminal> lsmod | grep 8188
[21:20] <pi0> r8188eu               421888  0
[21:20] <pi0> cfg80211              622592  1 r8188eu
[21:21] <jeremy31> pi0: that is a staging driver and quality is normally not good, use the one from lwfingers github
[21:22] <pi0> let me google the link
[21:24] <pi0> found it one sec gonna do this
[21:25] <pi0> making it... baking
[21:26] <skulltip> is C# now a 'thing' on ubuntu or linux where i can develop on one platform and distribute to all three?
[21:26] <pi0> rebootin
[21:27] <pi0> 8188eu                737280  0
[21:40] <Technological> Well still not showing up but thanks for telling me about AlsaMixer I got something to mess with now
[21:46] <pi0> jeremy31: shoot its not connecing to wifi
[21:47] <jeremy31> pi0: see https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2354328&p=13614520&#post13614520
[21:49] <pikapika> What's the correct way to globally change the DNS server used (both ipv4 and 6)? Of course, I can edit individual connections from the network manager and restart, but that is annoying. What would be a method to change the default global nameserver used permanently?
[21:55] <OerHeks> pikapika, netplan perhaps? https://devanswers.co/configure-ipv6-ubuntu-18-04/
[21:55] <OerHeks> pretty neat example
[21:55] <pikapika> Of course
[21:55] <pikapika> That looks like the same thing I am doing with the network manager gui
[21:55] <pikapika> ie
[21:55] <pikapika> editing each network/connection separately
[21:55] <pikapika> for example
[21:55] <pikapika> I'd have to copy that segment for each named wifi connection I have
[21:55] <pikapika> npe
[21:56] <pikapika> nope
[21:56] <pikapika> I want something that'll stick globally
[21:57] <pi0> jeremy31: actually its not even connecting to wifi to obtain an ip
[21:57] <OerHeks> oh, wifi .. i would use networkmanager for that
[21:57] <xamithan> Does it use dclient?  Just add a supersede dns line
[21:57] <pikapika> But of course
[21:57] <pikapika> I don't want to add the data for each new connection separately
[21:58] <pikapika> When a new ethernet or wifi is added
[21:58] <pikapika> this approach entails manually adding the data again for it
[21:58] <pikapika> no
[21:58] <pi0> pikapika: is that for me?
[21:58] <pikapika> What I want is the global default, over which individual connections may override if they want
[21:58] <pikapika> its for everyone
[21:58] <pikapika> Had I pinged you pi0? I am sorry if I pinged you by mistake
[21:59] <xamithan> I'm not 100% sure but I really doubt that exists unless you want to do some coding and make a pull request for it
[21:59] <pikapika> Strange
[21:59] <pi0> no worries
[21:59] <pi0> i just do not know what to do about this
[21:59] <pi0> lol
[21:59] <pikapika> Such an intuitive and common sense thing and it does not exist?
[21:59]  * pikapika snuggles pi0
[21:59] <pikapika> I mean
[22:00] <pikapika> What does it use by default then for its global nameserver minus any user modifications?
[22:00] <xamithan> It really isn't something that is needed when people use dhcp dns that same way
[22:00] <pikapika> Indeed, and there are cases where dhcp does not yield the best dns server
[22:00] <pikapika> and I think its a very common sense feature to have
[22:01] <pikapika> I mean windows has it
[22:01] <pikapika> as in ms windows
[22:01] <Technological> Global DNS :O
[22:01] <xamithan> If you ran your own dhcp server you could set whatever you wanted and override manually for specific connects
[22:02] <pikapika> Probably, again too much complication. Where do I file a feature request/bug report?
[22:02] <pi0> ha!
[22:02] <pi0> thank you pikapika
[22:02] <pikapika> :)
[22:02] <pi0> well i need to clear my head for a bit
[22:02] <pi0> i cant figure this out right now gonna break
[22:03] <xamithan> I'm not sure where a request of that nature would go,  maybe https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager ?  or whatever handles the networking for network manager
[22:05] <just_visiting> hello. has anyone changed the lock shield in ubuntu 18.10?
[22:05] <just_visiting> https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/desktop-shield.html.en
[22:06] <just_visiting> that doesnt seem correct. for starters ubuntu has /usr/share/gdm/greeter.dconf-defaults not file-db:/usr/share/gdm/greeter-dconf-defaults
[22:06] <just_visiting> even still is doesn't seem to work with either
[22:06] <pikapika> also btw has anyone else had trouble with lightlocker?
[22:07] <pikapika> I am using jwz's lockscreen for the moment
[22:07] <pikapika> I am sorry if I always seem to bring bad news here, really not my intention :P
[22:08] <just_visiting> pikapika, were you talking to me?
[22:09] <pikapika> Not really
[22:09] <pikapika> but
[22:09]  * pikapika snugs just_visiting 
[22:09] <just_visiting> :-)
[22:09] <just_visiting> tanks
[22:25] <the2048> Did I miss anything?
[22:25] <OerHeks> !logs
[22:26] <the2048> I know
[22:26] <the2048> But still did anyone have issues whilst I was gone?
[22:26] <OerHeks> no.
[22:26] <the2048> Fair
[22:26] <jeremy31> The sun exploded
[22:27] <the2048> Yay
[22:34] <aldcor>  is it safe to upgrade to 19.04 since it's not released yet?
[22:35] <the2048> If you don't mind beta stuff (possible corruption too, it's beta) and glitches, you could. I'd say stay on 18.10 or 18.04.2
[22:36] <pikapika> Not that 18 is very solid and stable itself
[22:37] <the2048> Fair
[22:37] <just_visiting> anyone know what user ubuntu uses to run gdm
[22:38] <the2048> Still 18 would be more stable than 19, as 19 is unfinished most likely
[22:38] <pikapika> the2048, did you ever use 16.04?
[22:39] <the2048> pikapika, I did use 16.04
[22:39] <pikapika> if you upgraded to 17/18 from there did you notice some changes in font rendering?
[22:39] <pikapika> like changes for the worse
[22:39] <the2048> I didn't upgrade, I wiped and reinstalled. But yeah font rendering HAS changed and it's a little worse
[22:39] <the2048> But it's better than W10's font rendering system
[22:40] <pikapika> yeah the dist upgrade had a bunch of warnings/errors and too many configs where I didn't know what the fuck those files were and apparently the updated version was different from mine
[22:41] <pikapika> the final funny thing that happened was
[22:41] <pikapika> experimenting with the DPI to see if it improves the font rendering
[22:41] <pikapika> made text permanently blurry, even if I chose default or restored it to the initial value
[22:41] <pikapika> so I reinstalled xubuntu and basically yeah reconfed all the software
[22:42] <pikapika> thankfully a lot of it worked alright with the dotfiles in home folder
[22:42] <pikapika> so not much i had to manually change
[22:45] <hggdh> and, now, please let's get back on-topic
[22:45] <AppAraat> hi, by default on Ubuntu you can't login as root (auth.log says: User root not allowed because account is locked) - that's because by default root usually doesn't have password set. But how do you test for that in a script?
[22:46] <jeremy31> AppAraat: use sudo -i if possible
[22:46] <OerHeks> !root
[22:48] <pi0> jeremy31: nmcli worked
[22:48] <pi0> i wonder why wpa_cli did not
[22:50] <AppAraat> ok well, I'm working on a cross-platform script that lets you quickly set up SSH on various OSes. One of the "features" (albeit after warnings) is that you can choose to setup SSH login as root. So is there any way to do this on Ubuntu without it being too cumbersome or nah?
[22:50] <OerHeks> AppAraat,  sure, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html.en
[22:51] <AppAraat> OerHeks: I meant setting up a login as root via SSH. That document doesn't seem to mention that.
[22:51] <OerHeks> PermitRootLogin yes
[22:52] <OerHeks> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[22:52] <AppAraat> but that's the thing, even if you do that on Ubuntu systems, it seems that by default you can't login as root because root account is locked. You first have to setup a password for it.
[22:53] <OerHeks> depends how you install the ssh service, and you need a password setup, yes, then you can enable keys
[22:54] <AppAraat> what do you mean with how I install the ssh service? I assume this is how it's supposed to be done: (sudo) apt install openssh-server
[22:55] <sn4dge> i have a p52 thinkpad, with GP107GLM graphics.. I installed nvidia-415 from graphics driver repo.. the module is loaded, but for whatever reason X loads in VESA mode.. can someone help?
[22:55] <EriC^^> AppAraat: there's key authentication
[22:55] <sn4dge> Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS
[22:55] <OerHeks> well, you work on a 'cross-platform script'
[22:57] <OerHeks> if you have no clue about these basics, good luck
[22:57] <AppAraat> EriC^^: yeah and I'm configuring it as such, but it seems that root has to have a password configured in order to login. So I was wondering how I can test whether root has a password configured.
[22:57] <OerHeks> no, the 1st user has root priv, setting root password is not supported here
[22:58] <OerHeks> it messes up something in your environment, which is not what you want
[22:58] <EriC^^> AppAraat: you dont need to set a password for key authentication, and passwords are stored in /etc/shadow's 2nd column, if there's a password you should see a long hash
[22:58] <hggdh> AppAraat: you stated "root has to have a password". Where? at the target system, or at the source?
[23:00] <AppAraat> hggdh: at the target (server). Otherwise n the server, auth.log says "User root not allowed because account is locked", even if you have PermitRootLogin set to yes and key-based auth.
[23:02] <Technological> sounds like it would be easier to just check the user and install ssh for that user
[23:02] <hggdh> AppAraat: you have to set the target SSHD for public key auth, not password
[23:03] <hggdh> (meanwhile, I shudder at the idea of someone SSH-ing in as root)
[23:05] <AppAraat> sorry, connection dropped, might have missed something.
[23:05] <hggdh> AppAraat: you have to set the target SSHD for public key auth, not password (just a resend, in case)
[23:06] <hggdh> AppAraat: also, SSH authentication via password only is widely considered to be a security issue
[23:07] <EriC^^> AppAraat: you don't need a password for key auth for root, fyi
[23:07] <AppAraat> yes and I did set up key auth. In fact, key auth only. I'm aware of the risks, but still root looks like it has to have a password set first in order to login as root via SSH. I'm going to test out suggestion from EriC^^ by testing /etc/shadow
[23:08] <AppAraat> hmm well
[23:08] <EriC^^> AppAraat: try using "ssh -vvv root@host"
[23:08] <AppAraat> sure, just a sec
[23:14] <AppAraat> https://bpaste.net/show/1e004adaac01
[23:14] <AppAraat> the only variable I changed was passwd root
[23:15] <AppAraat> this is my sshd_config: https://termbin.com/wz5l
[23:16] <AppAraat> and this answer says the same: https://askubuntu.com/a/469147
[23:19] <OerHeks> wrong answer, see above, https://askubuntu.com/a/489034 PermitRootLogin prohibit-password for passwordless root-ssh-with-keys
[23:21] <AppAraat> but what benefit does prohibit-password have if I already have "PasswordAuthentication no" ?
[23:21] <AppAraat> I can test it using prohibit-password too, just a sec.
[23:23] <EriC^^> AppAraat: so after passwd root, it worked?
[23:24] <AppAraat> EriC^^: yes
[23:24] <AppAraat> OerHeks: even with prohibit-password it doesn't work unless I set the root password first.
[23:25] <EriC^^> that's weird, must be some custom setting you have
[23:25] <AppAraat> so I guess I'll have to test /etc/shadow
[23:26] <AppAraat> it's a pretty fresh Ubuntu mini 16.04 install. I can install from the top and record that if this is unexpected behavior.
[23:27] <AppAraat> I remember during the install that I chose to disable the root account (default option IIRC)
[23:27] <nevodka> Anyone running Unity able to get Spotify to show now playing in the menu bar?
[23:27] <nevodka> It currently shows up under my volume bar in the menu bar
[23:27] <nevodka> But I'd rather not have to click on that to see it
[23:27] <EriC^^> AppAraat: ah i see the difference between mine and yours
[23:28] <EriC^^> AppAraat: i have "UsePam yes" it explains the effects above it
[23:28] <AppAraat> oh interesting, I'll try testing that out.
[23:29] <EriC^^> why did you disable pam?
[23:30] <AppAraat> I don't think I ever used it (at least consciously)
[23:32] <EriC^^> AppAraat: https://serverfault.com/questions/669458/whats-the-downside-of-disabling-pam-in-openssh-if-only-public-key-login-is-allo
[23:33] <pi0> anyone here linux certified
[23:33] <pi0> does ubuntu offer ceritifiction
[23:35] <xamithan> There was but it is defunct now
[23:36] <AppAraat> EriC^^: thanks, that looks pretty useful. I'll allow it :)
[23:36] <FreeBird> Test
[23:36] <AppAraat> tseT
[23:36] <FreeBird> Hello
[23:36] <AppAraat> hi
[23:37] <FreeBird> Where are you from?
[23:37] <AppAraat> The Internet
[23:37] <FreeBird> Alina-malina
[23:38] <FreeBird> What is your social?
[23:38] <OerHeks> hi FreeBird do you have an ubuntu support question?
[23:38] <OerHeks> this is not free chat, join #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[23:44] <AppAraat> EriC^^: counter-argument: http://arlimus.github.io/articles/usepam/ - but in my case (and I think many others) it would still be fine.
[23:45] <lavinho> jeremy31: good night
[23:45] <lavinho> the problem is the hardware
[23:45] <lavinho> no buy lenovo