[10:21] <Unit193> xfdesktop4 4.13.3-1 uploaded to experimental by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[10:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Isn't there a patch you wanted to add to xfdesktop4?
[10:26] <Unit193> xfce4-settings is behind a point release, is this intended?
[10:27] <Unit193> (As is xfconf, but that one isn't in Debian at least.)
[10:40] <Unit193> Also I'm carrying a local xfce4-terminal for disco to improve URL detection, this makes things nicer for me but am I supposed to actually do something with it?  (This would break sync.)
[11:15] <bluesabre> Unit193, not been around my computer, but... yes, there's a patch I need to upload for xfdesktop4, xfce4-settings would be good to catch up, and if we can improve the terminal, neat :)
[11:16] <Unit193> I dunno, I kind of just did it because it was a quirk I kept hitting.  Kind of forgot I don't need to wait for a release.
[11:38] <ochosi> settings would be good for the display profile feature
[11:40] <Unit193> Ah right, featurefull.  I guess that's why we skipped..
[14:17] <ochosi> Unit193:  :/
[18:20] <Spass> hi, I think we should open our official support channel to Matrix, seems like it's really easy to bridge existing IRC channel without too much hustle
[18:20] <Spass> I'm talking about #xubuntu only, without -devel of course
[18:21] <ochosi> and matrix is what exactly..?
[18:21] <ochosi> (i think there are also bridges for e.g. slack)
[18:21] <knome> some other new flashy think
[18:21] <knome> official slack bridges are shut down.
[18:21] <knome> there are irc daemons for slack now though.
[18:22] <knome> but that's not something for an official solution from the groups side, more likely needs to be set up per-user
[18:22] <knome> but for the matrix thing, i'm not really sure we want another outlet we might need to maintain (even if it's easy to bridge)
[18:25] <Spass> for example, this is how #xubuntu-pl looks on Riot (Matrix client) after bridging - https://ibb.co/mFDhS3Y
[18:26] <Spass> absolutely nothing changes from the IRC standpoint
[18:26] <Spass> but the channel is visible for Matrix users who can join and talk
[18:26] <ondondil> to be fair, matrix-freenode bridge already exists. I'm writing this from matrix client
[18:29] <Spass> so, the thing to consider is making it visible in the room catalog (and maybe setting an avatar...)
[18:31] <Spass> anyway, just a small suggestion :)
[18:36] <ondondil> here's more info on how matrix-irc bridges work from user's standpoint if anyone's interested
[18:36] <ondondil> https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Permissioning-in-Portal-vs-Plumbed-rooms#portal-rooms
[18:38] <knome> Spass, are you willing/interested in maintaining such things?
[18:38] <knome> because there will always be some maintaining efforet required, and it's unlikely we will find anybody else to take that work right now
[18:39] <Spass> I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I think that only OP can make #xubuntu visible in Matrix, but of course I can help with that and maintain it, at least I can try
[18:40] <ondondil> Making an IRC channel visible in Matrix room catalog is just a matter of flipping a switch in room settings but only OP can do that. In case of doubt, Freenode is one of the networks where Op's Sync'ing is enabled
[18:40] <Spass> from my understanding it shouldn't require much maintenance
[18:42] <Spass> so the question is - does any OP from #xubuntu has a Matrix account and is willing to flip the switch, of course if the team wants that at all
[18:43] <Spass> maybe the team could discuss that on the next meeting?
[18:44] <Spass> Matrix is getting some traction now, I think the whole KDE team is moving to Matrix
[18:45] <knome> the xubuntu team is unlikely to move to matrix as many of the team are long-time irc users
[18:46] <knome> but that doesn't mean we can't support matrix for the support channels - if we think it might be useful
[18:49] <Spass> I completely understand, moving to Matrix is not a good direction for now, but making #xubuntu visible in Matrix catalog doesn't change anything on IRC, it just opens the channel for new users (which may be good or wrong, like every change)
[18:50] <Spass> *or bad
[18:51] <Spass> but I wanted to share that suggestion with the team after I saw how good it worked with #xubuntu-pl :)
[19:21] <knome> yes, sure
[19:21] <knome> i'm not saying it can't be a good idea. i just don't use matrix myself so i don't really know how it might benefit us.
[19:22] <knome> ultimately i think that having many and again many different options to get support (even if it pointed to the same resource) can be frustrating and overwhelming.
[19:23] <Spass> yes, I see your point
[19:24] <knome> that aside, i'm sure we can get one of the ops helping with the matrix integration should we decide to do that
[19:24] <knome> (or grant a new person *ahem* said op privileges)