[01:02] <conjo> hi all i am using ubuntu and a vpn, i have config files, what are some ways i can use these files? in the past i have used network manager gui and set it up, but this only sets up one config file no abillity to choose, ive also navigated to the folder in which config files are and ran sudo openvpn --config 'config file of my choice, and entered username and password
[01:03] <conjo> are there other ways to run file in an automated fashon at power up
[01:03] <conjo> that my end goal if possible eg a bash script or something
[01:08] <conjo> sorry got distracted, endgoal=bash script or placement of a command in a location that allows vpn connection process at boot? thanks to any suggestions offered
[01:18] <Dice> Hello. I have a systemd service file that briefly runs and then kills itself: https://pastebin.com/zwJiw7Qr Is it possible to see any errors in this file?
[01:19] <Dice> This is the systemctl status: https://pastebin.com/aqugJ74T
[01:21] <Lub18042lts> Trying to install backgammonmasters on Wine. During install I get Unable to register DLL/OCX: RegSvr32 failed exit code 0x3. Terminal reports: 00b6:err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL (which is needed by L"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\BackgammonMasters\\X2DL.ocx") not found
[01:21] <Lub18042lts> 0096:fixme:win:WINNLSEnableIME hwnd 0x200e2 enable 0: stub!
[01:21] <Lub18042lts> 0096:fixme:progress:ProgressWindowProc state 0002 not yet handled
[01:21] <Lub18042lts> 0096:fixme:win:WINNLSEnableIME hwnd 0x200e2 enable -1: stub!
[01:25] <leftyfb> !wine | Lub18042lts
[01:28] <justaddcoffee> its conjo sorry my daughter hit the reset button on the tower
[01:42] <justaddcoffee> can anyone suggest how i can make commands or scripts run at boot please (openvpn connection using a config file)
[01:42] <justaddcoffee> ubuntu 18.04
[01:47] <leftyfb> justaddcoffee: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-automatically-execute-shell-script-at-startup-boot-on-systemd-linux
[01:47] <leftyfb> justaddcoffee: or https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/startup-applications.html.en
[01:48] <leftyfb> both found on google by searching for "ubuntu 18.04 autostart" and "ubuntu 18.04 run at boot"
[01:48] <justaddcoffee> thank you man thank you very much =)
[01:55] <dandu3> hello i'm having issues when it's time to install GRUB on a UEFI laptop, should I just install it as legacy and call it a day?
[01:56] <justaddcoffee> thanks leftyfb exactly what i needed stoked =)
[02:12] <kuki>   
[02:20] <decor> hi
[02:21] <decor> can you see this
[02:21] <ub3g33k> yes
[02:21] <decor> should I use ubuntu 18.04 or 18.10
[02:21] <decor> ?
[02:21] <ub3g33k> How long is a piece of string?
[02:21] <decor> 5cm
[02:21] <ub3g33k> then, yes.
[02:22] <ub3g33k> I personally, use the latest LTS
[02:22] <decor> yes what?
[02:22] <ub3g33k> and, ymmv
[02:22] <ub3g33k> yes, as in a completely un-useful answer to a poorly worded question
[02:23] <ub3g33k> But, I suggest using the latest LTS
[02:23] <ub3g33k> and again, ymmv
[02:29] <y9pqb> jeremy31, Bashing-om: I upgraded my friend's lubuntu to 18.04 and added the hwe kernel. Now he's happily using Krita and will continue to be a Linux user :)
[02:30] <Bashing-om> y9pqb: :D - You do good work.
[02:30] <y9pqb> :)
[02:31] <y9pqb> I had to run do-release-upgrade in a terminal. For some reason the update manager wasn't offering to upgrade
[02:32] <Bashing-om> y9pqb: 17.10 .. only avenue open to release upgrade is the do-release-upgrade other than a clean fresh install.
[02:33] <y9pqb> why is that?
[02:33] <Bashing-om> !eol | y9pqb
[02:34] <Bashing-om> !17.10 | y9pqb
[02:36] <y9pqb> I... didn't do most of what's on that page
[02:43] <y9pqb> is the idea that upgrading from an EOL version is too risky to just let anyone upgrade? So a user who got into this situation should call someone more experienced to oversee the upgrade?
[02:44] <y9pqb> I feel like the system should have done something to prevent getting into an EOL state. Maybe when the EOL date is approaching it should try harder to nag the user to upgrade
[02:45] <Bashing-om> y9pqb: Not at all .. Guide is a fair one. Just takes reading and a build of confidence :)
[02:45] <leftyfb> y9pqb: it'll be a lot easier, quicker and cleaner to install 18.04 from scratch and restore from backup
[02:46] <y9pqb> I don't think this guy could do a clean install
[02:46] <Bashing-om> y9pqb: Best I recall there is warnings and to get underway to a upgrade.
[02:47] <y9pqb> Bashing-om: I'll ask him if he ignored those
[02:47] <tomreyn> bug 319146
[02:48] <y9pqb> oh, nice
[02:50] <y9pqb> though unless the risk of upgrading from an EOL version is really high, the update-manager should just give an upgrade button normally and handle it by itself
[02:50] <y9pqb> IMO
[02:51] <tomreyn> y9pqb: if someone or something has been actually running an EOL release for a while (not just sitting there in a stopped VM), connected to the internet (or any network?), it has been low hanging fruit for any of the constant fully automated attacks we see on the internet. and with the unpatched vulnerabilities it will have alotted since it lost support, reinstalling is really the better approach.
[02:53] <y9pqb> tomreyn:I guess that means I should offer to do a clean install for him, even if his issue is already solved
[02:54] <tomreyn> maybe
[02:55] <y9pqb> I saw he had a lot of disk space, so I guess I'll install something on a second partition and tell him to try it and migrate if he likes it
[02:56] <kuki> -{this chat is frre for all or is fot a teme in specific?
[02:56] <tomreyn> !ot
[02:57] <tomreyn> basically as the channel topic says
[02:57] <kuki> !register
[02:57] <kuki> nothing
[03:03] <centyuan> hi
[03:03] <matt_> hey! I want to test an older kernel for solving a but, but i installed and got stuck on the startup process
[03:03] <Guest36254> i think is some problem with initramfs
[03:04] <Guest36254>  hey! I want to test an older kernel for solving a but, but i installed and got stuck on the startup process
[03:04] <noobhelp> hi all-how do i use crontab -e command to make something run at boottime/login
[03:05] <Guest36254> https://bpaste.net/show/a79cf2a0027e
[03:05] <Guest36254> how can i created it for the older kernels too without removign the latest ? no way? how to at least generate it for the older one without having to wipe the newest kernel?
[03:05] <noobhelp> have read about using @reboot in the txtfile after crontab -e command is run, but i want to run at login not reboot
[03:06] <tomreyn> Guest36254: downgrading to an older kernel patch level is not supported (and those earlier versions may not be available ont he archives). what is the issue you're trying to solve, which ubuntu version and kernel version are you running?
[03:06] <Guest36254> im trying to test if a bug is on the kernel
[03:06] <Guest36254> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1819915
[03:07] <Guest36254> i apt installed the kernel i used when it worked but it got stuck during startup
[03:08] <StayHungry> Morning, comrades
[03:08] <Guest36254> I installed another one but initramfs seems to generate only for the latest
[03:08] <Guest36254> sso i have too remove the newer ones or not?
[03:08] <AndyChow888> Hello, StayHungry. I'm not a comrad, but morning to you.
[03:09] <StayHungry> A question about Ubuntu Paste if I may.
[03:09] <StayHungry> For example https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jNp95dMx62/
[03:09] <tomreyn> Guest36254: this will regenerate all initrds: sudo update-initramfs -k all -c
[03:10] <Guest36254> thanks! i just found that!
[03:10] <StayHungry> There is a link “Download as text”, but it leads to login page instead of downloading, why?
[03:10] <Guest36254> what about this dmks thing
[03:10] <Guest36254> how to tell the system ill be booting on another kernel? is already done? like nvidia drivers and virtualbox modules
[03:11] <StayHungry> Guest36254: how? gently, of course ,)
[03:11] <Guest36254> okay! :P
[03:11] <tomreyn> noobhelp: is this a graphical desktop? do you want this to run after graphical login, or during any login?
[03:13] <noobhelp> it is, ubuntu 18.04 desktop and i would like the job to run after i have logged in (only one user account if relevent)
[03:14] <tomreyn> noobhelp: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/autostart-spec/ may be relevant then
[03:15] <tomreyn> noobhelp: also https://askubuntu.com/questions/37957/how-do-i-manage-applications-on-startup-in-gnome-3
[03:15] <Guest36254> http://imgur.com/gallery/kLPMFhg
[03:15] <Guest36254> im stuck there still
[03:16] <Guest36254> this is ubuntu 18.04 and kernel 4.15.0-44
[03:16] <tomreyn> StayHungry: i don't know the answer, wondered, too, assume it may be abuse related. this is not exactly an ubuntu support topic, os this is a bit OT. maybe #ubuntu-discuss woul dbe a better match?
[03:17] <Guest36254> kernel 4.15.0-42 also gets stuck there
[03:17] <noobhelp> tomreyn, thank you. Im in the middle of making a pastbin of what im trying to automate apon login will post shortly could you please let me know if im on right track when iv posted it
[03:17] <Guest36254> how will i test older kenels this way??
[03:17] <StayHungry> tomreyn: thank you, sir :)
[03:19] <rodrigot44> Hello everyone.I am having a problem with Clementine playing music. It worked fine the first few times I’ve used it, but now it won’t.
[03:19] <Guest36254> kernel 4.15.0-45 and 46 boot normally, but the bug happens then
[03:19] <tomreyn> Guest36254: so you can't complete the boot at all currently? if so, either press ctrl-c and see if the boot continue then, or after waiting 1,5 minutes, or boot into recovery mode instead and work from there, starting with what the output you posted suggests.
[03:20] <Guest36254> oh i didnt try ctrl c
[03:20] <tomreyn> !recovery
[03:22] <tomreyn> Guest36254: what you posted earlier at https://bpaste.net/show/a79cf2a0027e suggests that the RESUME variable is set incorrectly and new initrd's you'll create now will also be broken.
[03:22] <Guest36254> the uiid it sets to is right
[03:23] <tomreyn> which of the two?
[03:23] <Guest36254> UID=70d967e6-ad52-4c21-baf0-01a813ccc6ac
[03:23] <Guest36254> dev sda8
[03:23] <Guest36254> but maybe i should fix grub
[03:23] <Guest36254> that resume variable is on gru right?
[03:23] <tomreyn> right, that's it's newly added logic to ensure it can override broken configurations you have in /etc
[03:24] <tomreyn> RESUME=UUID=bfc6f294-b737-4999-a444-01e1f410de06 must be configured somewhere in /etc/initramfs-tools
[03:24] <Guest36254> well i want to resume from the swap partition ofc
[03:24] <tomreyn> and should be removed / commented out, then update-initramfs again.
[03:25] <tomreyn> "but no matching swap device is available"
[03:26] <Guest36254> how to check the uuid of my running swap?
[03:26] <tomreyn> cat /proc/swaps
[03:26] <tomreyn> then blkid against the Filename
[03:29]  * tomreyn afk
[03:40] <Hulio> man
[03:40] <Hulio> I can never get AMD Radeon Vega 56 to install driver in ubuntu 18.04 to work
[03:40] <Hulio> why the fuck is it so complicate than windows
[03:40] <guiverc> Hulio, language please
[03:41] <Hulio> so sad
[03:41] <Hulio> even if i install it, after reboot, i got blank screen
[03:41] <Hulio> this is so frustration
[03:41] <Hulio> how complicated just to install AMD Pro drive ? :(
[03:44] <noobhelp> tomreyn, hi there could you please help me with this https://pastebin.com/HiwNXE8B
[03:50] <Bashing-om> noobhelp: "22:29  * tomreyn afk".
[03:51] <noobhelp> Bashing-om, not sure i understand are you saying its late in tomreyn timezone?
[03:52] <noobhelp> whats afk?
[03:52] <Bashing-om> noobhelp: afk == away from keyboard :)
[03:52] <noobhelp> away from keyboard lols
[03:53] <noobhelp> im old sorry aye cheers for the heads up are you able to help please Bashing-om
[03:54] <Bashing-om> noobhelp: Lemme look at the paste and see.
[03:54] <noobhelp> noobhelp, laughs to himself thinking this is like that molly word thought it was a name
[03:55] <noobhelp> thank you Bashing-om
[03:57] <Bashing-om> noobhelp: Ungood - as you can not embed passwords in that script ..Mot to sure at all how you woukd do "runs after i log into my account" in this case.
[03:57] <Bashing-om> mot/not*
[03:58] <noobhelp> could it be run during bootup
[03:58] <noobhelp> prior to login
[03:58] <fotato> noobhelp: /me does the third person thing.
[03:58] <fotato> Just FYI :-)
[03:59] <noobhelp> pardon fotato can you explain please i dont understand
[03:59] <Bashing-om> noobhelp: Sorry my knowledge of VPN is sorely lacking,
[03:59] <noobhelp> no problem thanks for trying
[04:03] <noobhelp> with the same goal in mind how can i automate login to my vpn at boot time
[04:03] <noobhelp> aimed at everyone Bashing-om and i hit a roadblock
[04:06] <noobhelp> please help me
[04:22] <qwebirc63988> Someone can help me with ubuntu gaming issue?
[04:23] <guiverc_d> qwebirc63988, you're best if you describe your issue, if someone can help they will (but please be patient on waiting for a reply & try to keep it to a single line)
[04:24] <qwebirc63988> No problem with patience.
[04:24] <qwebirc63988> Is about GOG games
[04:24] <qwebirc63988> DRM-Free platform
[04:25] <qwebirc63988> I have Olli and Momodora: Reverie Under The Moonlight
[04:25] <qwebirc63988> Those two titles works under ubuntu 16.04
[04:25] <guiverc_d> qwebirc63988, try & describe it in a single line please
[04:25] <qwebirc63988> But not under 18.xx
[04:26] <qwebirc63988> In a single line: Some gog games work under 16:04 but not under 18.xx. Segmentation fault
[04:26] <qwebirc63988> I hav no idea why
[04:29] <qwebirc63988> Maybe could be a kernel issue. Anyone has this games running on 18.04?
[04:40] <qwebirc63988> Forget it. I think my question is very very vague. I`ll install ubuntu 16.04.6 since it runs all games very well.
[04:40] <mangaka> elric
[04:40] <qwebirc63988> But its weird. Segmentation fault.
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:21] <the2048> lotuspsychje, it's like 11pm for me but good morning/evening or whatever
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> the2048: good evening
[05:21] <the2048> Anyway how you doing
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> the2048: join #ubuntu-discuss mate
[05:22] <the2048> Done lotuspsychje
[05:24] <Hulio> hi guys, how to resolve this:  WARNING: amdgpu dkms failed for running kernel
[05:24] <Hulio> I am trying to install AMD RAdeon Vega 56
[05:24] <Hulio> I google and try manything still dont get it
[05:24] <Hulio> please help resolve this: WARNING: amdgpu dkms failed for running kernel
[05:25] <Hulio> i am using Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[05:25] <Hulio> hello?
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Hulio
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> Hulio: did you try this? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[05:39] <Hulio> lotuspsychje: nothing works
[05:39] <Hulio> end up with that message
[05:39] <Hulio> I wish you can teamviewer to me
[05:39] <Hulio> man
[05:41] <Hulio> can someone teamviwer me: id: 1 226 850 642  pass:38n8wf
[05:42] <Hulio> please help me get the amd graphic to install
[05:42] <Hulio> i'm strugle so much and tired
[05:42] <Hulio> 2 AM now
[05:42] <Hulio> i'm so sleepy and need this to work
[05:42] <Hulio> someone know how to do it, kindly help me
[05:54] <soundwave> Hey! Anybody know howto use apt-offline on live usb; I have a specific question which requires knowledge on both !
[06:07] <gigglebot> hi all i need to learn about config files how to use them edit them and make them-i know nothing at this point any suggestions on what to search up on google that will help me with ubuntu
[06:07] <gigglebot> also do the rules of config files differ for usecase (program using it)
[06:08] <gigglebot> or do they all share common terms/commands and syntax
[06:08] <NorthwestVegan> well, theres config files in /etc/
[06:09] <NorthwestVegan> and in your home folder like .mozilla
[06:09] <gigglebot> i know its vauge im trying to understand what a openvpn config file means and how to edit it for my end-because im new many terms are beyond me
[06:09] <NorthwestVegan> or .config
[06:10] <NorthwestVegan> id look in /etc/openvpn to start
[06:10] <gigglebot> yes-thanks guys-could you recomend anything to read or watch to teach me all about config files please
[06:12] <NorthwestVegan> i would try openvpn website, or the archwiki
[06:12] <gigglebot> i havnt checked but im assuming those files are filled with text and anything uncommented is enabled is that correct
[06:12] <NorthwestVegan> yes, thats the usual format
[06:13] <gigglebot> when it comes to options within those files do the options differ prog to prog
[06:13] <gigglebot> i assume yes
[06:13] <guiverc_d> gigglebot, conf/config files vary by program; yes they are standard to an extent, but they are standard according to a historical perspective which won't mean much to most people..     wiki's are my suggestion for a place to start, eg. https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openvpn.html for openvpn & ubuntu
[06:14] <gigglebot> thank you very much both of you
[06:14] <soundwave> I always theses questions that nobody can answer ! It's a curse
[06:15] <NorthwestVegan> :)
[06:15] <guiverc_d> gigglebot, standard eg., some use # as comment, others use ! as comment; this can be confusing however if you look at history of the programs using ! you'll note they come from like place (my point in history), if contrasted with those that use #  (but both are pretty much the same..)
[06:15] <gigglebot> lmao sound like a challange soundwave-hope s1 can help you
[06:17] <gigglebot> guiverc_d, now that you mention that thing about the comment symbols i do recall noticing that and wondering in days past
[06:17] <gigglebot> just want to bounce a few assumptions past yall
[06:18] <yvyz> ?
[06:19] <gigglebot> the options(hope this is the correct term) in config files specific to prog being used will differ but there are options that any and many programs use commonly?
[06:20] <gigglebot> i need rethink that give me a minute
[06:22] <gigglebot> im just gonna read you guys suggestions let it soak in and go read some wikis thanks for your time guys
[06:22] <gigglebot> and help
[06:23] <guiverc_d> gigglebot, yes, but it's better to assume they are different & confirm before you make mistakes because of assumption.    `man|info` tend to be great for reference/reminders
[06:23] <gigglebot> this place is great thank you all for it
[06:38] <guiverc_d> gigglebot, (re: history, Ubuntu may go back to 2004, Linux back to 1991, but *nix conf/config files go back to 1970s)
[07:17] <pikapika> oh and yes
[07:17] <pikapika> good question
[07:18] <pikapika> Whats the best way to backup an installation so that if something funny happens, I can like restore it to the exact state of the backup except of course things like time are of the current value
[07:18] <pikapika> Will dd disk images cause trouble?
[07:18] <pikapika> as in
[07:19] <pikapika> say I dd the whole ubuntu partition into a backup image
[07:19] <pikapika> sometime later
[07:19] <pikapika> I copy it back into the install partition
[07:19] <pikapika> is that a valid way of backup/restore?
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> !backup | pikapika
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> !borg | pikapika
[07:33] <pikapika> oh I have read that wiki article
[07:33] <pikapika> but
[07:33] <pikapika> it says nothing of the restore part of things
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> read the manual of the software you using pikapika
[08:13] <Arfed> I've found a problem with Ubuntu which may lead to a ton of other hard to identify problems/bugs: When your computer resumes from sleep, sometimes Ubuntu will switch from TSC clock source to HPET - this can kill performance and make e.g. gnome-shell use a ton of CPU
[08:15] <Arfed> this is on 18.04, with Asus Zenith Extreme Alpha motherboard, and 2990wx CPU
[08:15] <Arfed> (AMD)
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and come back from resume, see if we can trace usefull errors
[08:17] <Arfed> Okey - it's not a consistent error though, it doesn't happen every time. brb
[08:19] <Arfed> Okey that worked first time - looking through log
[08:21] <Arfed> Yea confirmed: https://pastebin.com/XTqU9egg
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[08:23] <Arfed> I'm ok with computers and fixing up stuff myself, but for a layman not so great with computers, it's bad to have that issue as they won't know how to fix it and will get put off
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: did you recently play with bios or cpu overclocking?
[08:24] <Arfed> Overclocking, yes
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: try setting bios back to defaults and try again
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: while you there, maybe biosupdate too?
[08:24] <Arfed> Am on latest bios. Ok, back in a bit
[08:38] <Arfed> Ok, confirmed that clock switches to HPET even on base bios
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: allright, wich kernel version are you on?
[08:39] <Arfed> I'm on 18.04 LTS, so would be that kernel - one min I'll find out how to check directly, if needed
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> uname -a
[08:40] <Arfed> Cheers - 4.18.0-16-generic #17~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> ok thats HWE
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: you still got other kernel version in your list to test?
[08:42] <Arfed> Ah, I don't have any other version at hand? I just downloaded 18.04 - not much of a Linux guru
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: ok you might not have any, np
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: lets try to make a !bug out of your issue, do you have a launchpad account?
[08:43] <Arfed> I reckon the HPET issue, is the bug these guys are experiencing btw:
[08:43] <Arfed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1773959
[08:43] <Arfed> because someone showed a log trace with high clock_gettime there - which I was able to replicate
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: but you cant reproduce this with gnome-terminal?
[08:44] <Arfed> perf trace rather
[08:44] <Arfed> I can repro it even without any terminal
[08:44] <ka920> hello , i install apache2 and i'm running index.php , it's shown successfuly and work right on firefox but on chrome it's showing the source code and it's not working, any help?
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: anyhow, or only with resume?
[08:46] <Arfed> I could do a fresh boot with nothing open, sleep/resume and check clock source, if you like - what we saw in the logs shows it wouldn't be terminal though
[08:46] <Arfed> I reckon terminal in that bug is a red herring
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: allright, lets make a new bug for this mate
[08:46] <Arfed> okey cool - best link it to that other one, too
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: from a terminal: ubuntu-bug linux
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: and describe all your steps we tryed, feel free to link back the bug #
[08:54] <b247> Hi there, I need some help for a port forward (allow access from external to internal VM). External is public IP (directly connected to the internet, internal is virbr0). If someone able to help i can provide more details
[08:55] <b247> b247, HOST it's a laptop running Ubuntu 18.10, GUEST is a KVM machine
[08:59] <constantib> Я думал ирка уже умерла давно
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> !ru | constantib
[09:01] <Arfed> Cheers lotuspsychje - made the bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe/+bug/1821441
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: thank you for taking your time to file the bug
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: also mention your bios is up to date please
[09:02] <Arfed> No worries! Thanks for helping me get that put in. Hopefully it's fixed quick enough
[09:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[09:10] <b247> Looking for a kind sysadmin able to help me with some networking NAT/FORWARD rules ..... anyone :)
[09:42] <B1ack0p> hi there
[10:44] <xyz111> Hi All, I have placed a symlink to a script in my /etc/cron.d folder, however whenever the job starts to run, it logs an error saying "(*system*prx-cron-jobs) WRONG FILE OWNER (/etc/cron.d/prx-cron-jobs)" - does that file have to be owned by root? Is there a way round it? Thanks :)
[10:48] <blackflow> xyz111: I believe so yes. non-root crontabs are in /var/spool/cron
[10:48] <blackflow> xyz111: btw, "script"? you mean you put a crontab there, right?
[10:48] <xyz111> yes correct, crontab, not script
[10:48] <blackflow> right, so user crontabs under /var/spool/cron
[10:49] <xyz111> perfect, let me give that a shot
[10:49] <xyz111> thank you
[10:49] <blackflow> xyz111: /var/spool/cron/<username>  see the crontab(5) manpage
[10:50] <blackflow> xyz111: eh, sorry, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<username>
[10:51] <xyz111> yeah - I'm thinking I may just "chown root", because the script restarts a few services which I believe only root can do
[10:52] <xyz111> unless I can somehow add a sudo into the non-root crontab?
[10:52] <xyz111> but I'm afraid it will get stuck asking for a password
[10:52] <blackflow> xyz111: technically you can, but why? the only reason for user-owned tabs is if you want said users to be able to modify them. technically, user crontabs aren't meant to be edited with anything but crontab -e
[10:53] <blackflow> xyz111: also consider using systemd timers
[10:53] <xyz111> understood
[10:53] <blackflow> and don't forget that user crontabs don't have the user specification between time pattern and command to exec
[10:53] <xyz111> understood
[10:54] <xyz111> I think just "chown root" is the easier option
[10:54] <blackflow> xyz111: tha should've been the default. /etc/cron.d/ is root owned and only root can place files there, so you must've chown'd in teh past
[10:55] <xyz111> the symlink is root owned, but not the file it points to
[10:55] <blackflow> which btw whouldn't change the fact that it's a systemwide crontab that executes as user specified in the tab itself
[10:55] <blackflow> symlinks are resolved and transparent in this case, so the target file matters
[10:55] <xyz111> yeah, hence why I'm getting the WRONG FILE OWNER error
[10:56] <xyz111> so if I chown the target file to root, then I think things will be okay
[10:56] <xyz111> my real reason for doing this is modularity
[10:57] <blackflow> xyz111: not sure I follow. why not place the files under /etc/cron.d/ ?
[10:57] <xyz111> it's a much neater solution if I can just symlink a file within a git repo and whenever I need to update the cron file, I modify it remotely and git pull
[10:57] <xyz111> also easier to know where all the config is stored - basically all in one repo
[10:58] <blackflow> xyz111: or reduce complexity and script a git pull followed by cp or rsync into /etc/cron.d/ :)
[10:59] <xyz111> yes, that's also an option, but there is a bit of additional complexity in the situation which I can't describe right now (we'll be here for an hour!)
[10:59] <xyz111> I appreciate the help - thank you very much :)
[11:00] <xyz111> I'll consider the cp solution - maybe it is the right way to go
[11:02] <blackflow> or use systemd timers. unlike cron, systemd allows symlinking of .timer files from /etc/systemd/ to wherever
[11:06] <bsdunix> Test
[11:23] <Saldru> I everyone, I have a question. I use Ubuntu Server 18.10 as a virtual machine and on this VM I have two network interfaces. One to access to Internet (WAN0) and a second one for my management network (MNGT0). My personal computer is connected remotely via a VPN Server and I manage my VM via SSH throught the Management IP address binded on the Manag
[11:23] <Saldru> ement Interface. I want to bind an HTTP service on the WAN0 interface to be reached by Internet and all the operating protocols such as DNS NTP, SSH just to pass via the MNGT0 Interface. The problem I have is that my personnal computer have only one IP address and I want the VM to respond to my computer on the MNGT0 interface if I reach the MNGT0 I
[11:23] <Saldru> P address and also I want the VM to respond to my computer on the WAN0 interface if I reach the WAN0 IP address. I use Netplan for network configuration and I saw on the documentation that the "routing-policy" and "tables" can do that but I'm not able to make it work. So I ask the community if someone know how to do that. Thank you for your time !
[11:23] <Saldru> :)
[11:23] <Ascavasaion> Is there a way to share files on Linux that Windows machines can access, besides Samba?
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Ascavasaion, extfs for windows
[11:25] <Ascavasaion> BluesKaj, I meant via networks.
[11:26] <BluesKaj> puTTy
[11:26] <java_dev> i have a package thats pulling qemu-kvm, and i already have vmware running. will there be conflicts with both these apps running on the same host
[11:26] <Ascavasaion> So no way to map drives etc. like Samba?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> PuTTY uses ssh and telnet
[11:28] <G3ph4z> java_dev: Nope, you will be fine.
[11:30] <Ascavasaion> BluesKaj, I know PuTTy and extfs.  I was hoping for something where I can possibly browse with a file manager to eg. ///192.168.X.X/mnt/documents/ etc and make it a permanent connection using the file manager.
[11:31] <java_dev> G3ph4z: the package in question is gns3 and last i checked it didnt require qemu-kvm as a dependency, i wonder what changed. but alright.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Ascavasaion, https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-will-soon-let-you-access-linux-files-from-file-explorer/ , but not until April
[11:32] <G3ph4z> java_dev: Sorry I missed some part of the message. GNS3 is using qemu as a default hypervisor, if I know correctly.
[11:34] <Ascavasaion> BluesKaj, Okay, thank you.  So not possible really, except with that new Win 10 feature.  Thank you for the heads-up.
[11:35] <c0mrade> I've made an IRC bot that prints to a serial impact printer connected to a server of mine and put it on live stream on youtube at https://youtu.be/tVuvoM7NZj8 if you join ##robot and send whatever text on the main channel it prints hehe
[11:36] <bsdunix> Congratulations
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Ascavasaion,np
[11:44] <blackflow> eh they left and nobody mentioned WEBDAV
[11:45] <blackflow> c0mrade: queue trollfest abuse and you taking the whole thing down in embarassment.
[11:58] <whoareU> after installing firefox manually, how to build a launch icon instead launching from command line
[11:59] <java_dev> whoareU: which DE are you using?
[12:00] <blackflow> whoareU: while that's not supported here in #ubuntu, google up how to write your .desktop launcher, which you can place in ~/.local/share/applications/
[12:00] <blackflow> (that = running custom built software outside of regular apt or snap repos)
[12:02] <whoareU> java_dev: gnome
[12:04] <whoareU> blackflow: google has been blocked several years
[12:06] <blackflow> so? no other search engine you can use?
[12:07] <whoareU> a little, but the result of search is not satisfied
[12:07] <blackflow> well then you're out of luck.
[12:08] <java_dev> copy one from /usr/share/applications/application.desktop and edit it with respect to your desired app, them cp it to  ~/.local/share/applications/
[12:08] <java_dev> which country are you from ? whoareU
[12:08] <whoareU> china
[12:09] <java_dev> wow
[12:09] <java_dev> also searching directly on https://askubuntu.com might help
[12:10] <whoareU> thanks
[12:10] <leftyfb> whoareU: why did you build Firefox from source? The one in the repos is the latest
[12:12] <whoareU> i need the development edition of firefox
[12:12] <leftyfb> Why?
[12:13] <whoareU> no reason, it
[12:14] <whoareU> it's the latest version and i hope try it
[12:17] <leftyfb> whoareU: are there any particular features available in the development 67 version that aren't in the stable 66?
[12:23] <whoareU> leftyfb:what are difference between two version i don't know until now,
[12:24] <leftyfb> Then why are you running it? Doesn't make any sense . Just stick with the stable version
[12:25] <java_dev> leftyfb: dude, just let a person who is curious do whatever they please with their machine really.
[12:26] <java_dev> there is nothing wrong with running "unstable" versions of an app do long the user is aware of the consequences that may arise
[12:27] <leftyfb> Including not receiving support for it
[12:27] <leftyfb> And researching their one answers
[12:27] <leftyfb> Own*
[12:29] <java_dev> all am aganist was your point about it "not making sense" and this "Just stick with the stable version". thats really not your concern.
[12:30] <leftyfb> Thank you for your opinion
[12:30] <whoareU> leftyfg: only curiosity, on other motive,  i am not the professional of IT, i use linux only personal favor
[12:30] <java_dev> with pleasure leftyfb
[12:36] <gigglebot> hi all am newish/dont know alot about linux-am curious what is stopping anyone from making a connection to one of my open ports in linux-if this is not the place to ask let me know
[12:37] <leftyfb> gigglebot: what ports do you have open and why?
[12:37] <gigglebot> is it the lack of a password and service for connection setup eg ftp and/or not having sudo password
[12:37] <gigglebot> i dont but was watching a video on youtube and it triggered a random question in my mind to which i have no clue about the answer
[12:40] <leftyfb> You should not open/forward any ports unless you need to and know how to secure that service
[12:41] <leftyfb> gigglebot: opening a port for ftp for example allows anyone from the internet to keep trying passwords till they get in. Configured incorrectly, they could get in without a password.
[12:42] <leftyfb> gigglebot: you could use something like iptables(firewall) to lock down ftp traffic to only be allowed from certain ips on the internet
[12:43] <ikanobori> Generally when you have no firewall all services listening on appropriate addresses are reachable through that address for other machines that can access that address so you need to trust that service (and know it has authorization, etc).
[12:44] <ikanobori> Usually people just firewall everything aside from specific services that need to be reachable and then possibly deploy extra measures such as source addresses.
[12:44] <DK__> ?
[12:44] <leftyfb> DK__: can we help you with something?
[12:45] <gigglebot> thank you
[12:45] <ikanobori> gigglebot: Its is common to always close everything and explicitly open things because some services and applications might by default listen on reachable addresses.
[12:46] <gigglebot> how about the ports that always stay open which i think iv read, eg for loading webpages (or am i way off and making to many incorrect assumptions?)
[12:46] <ikanobori> You're not; a webserver is one of those processes that might want to listen on a port and that you want to be reachable.
[12:46] <gigglebot> oops i missed alot above need to read it brb
[12:46] <ikanobori> The normal suggestion is to close everything and then open up the ports you need, which for a webserver would usually be 80 and 443.
[12:47] <ikanobori> When you do close everything, remember that if you access this machine remotely that you will need to open that port (usually 22 for SSH).
[12:48] <gigglebot> i really appreciate the feedback guys thank you
[12:53] <lsdir99> hi. how many services generally are in debian (like apache2, sftp, ssh, squad...)?
[12:53] <leftyfb> lsdir99: Try #debian
[12:55] <lsdir99> Can I ask the same question under ubuntu?
[12:56] <leftyfb> lsdir99: which version of ubuntu? lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline
[12:56] <gigglebot> leftyfb, ikanobori any suggestions on where to start ;linux usecase to learn about configuring ports correctly&securely, im intriged id like to learn more
[12:56] <blackflow> lsdir99: are you asking about available packages or service installed by default installer profile
[12:56] <gigglebot> what should i search-i know it sounds silly but google and my choice of search terms arent always best
[12:57] <leftyfb> gigglebot: linux networking, networking security
[12:57] <gigglebot> thanks
[12:58] <leftyfb> gigglebot: your interest is not Ubuntu-specific
[12:58] <gigglebot> it is im running ubuntu
[12:58] <gigglebot> desktop
[12:58] <leftyfb> gigglebot: your interest applies to linux in general. Not just Ubuntu
[12:59] <leftyfb> gigglebot: understanding that will help in your research
[12:59] <gigglebot> okay i get you now thanks
[12:59] <lsdir99> leftyfb: I don't have ubuntu now. But I just came up with some questions in my mind that I'd like to know about them. first of all, I'd like to know what we are going to install (apt-get install) are all a new service?
[13:00] <leftyfb> lsdir99: for what purpose?
[13:00] <gigglebot> while on topic i use ufw which i think is a frontend to iptables(a firewall yes?) default enabled no rules added are my ports safe enough for everyday use?
[13:00] <lsdir99> leftyfb: curiosity!
[13:00] <leftyfb> gigglebot: not directly connected to the internet, no
[13:00] <blackflow> lsdir99: you install whatever package (and its service) you want. none are installed by default, except basic networking dhcp listener, stub resolver
[13:03] <d0lf> What is xubuntu
[13:03] <leftyfb> d0lf: https://xubuntu.org/  # first result on google for "xubuntu"
[13:03] <blackflow> more precisely, the about page   https://xubuntu.org/about/
[13:04] <gigglebot> leftyfb,what do mean by not directly connected- (i just use a browser and irc or transmission-dont use ftp or other atm)
[13:04] <gigglebot> i have ubuntu 18.04 desktop if this helps answer
[13:04] <leftyfb> gigglebot: If you don't have a router between you and the public internet, get one
[13:04] <gigglebot> rofl okay now i understand
[13:08] <gigglebot> i didnt know that making a direct connection without a router was possible period as i assumed all connections where made with modems which almost always had routers inbuilt to the modem
[13:08] <gigglebot> were
[13:09] <gigglebot> what kind of setup would ever have a direct connection or is it just an eg of bad practise
[13:10] <ikanobori> gigglebot: You can read about generic iptables advice.
[13:10] <leftyfb> gigglebot: someone without a router. Servers. Either way, we're pretty offtopic at this point. This channel is for Ubuntu-specific support. Feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:10] <blackflow> gigglebot: there is always a router, even when "directly connected" you're actually connected to the first hop router.  people often mean "DSL modem and/or WIFI thingy" as "router"
[13:11] <gigglebot> will do have a great day/night both of you and thanks alot
[13:15] <gigglebot> blackflow, lol ur right i get ur point, but i  think it was ommited to avoid confusing me
[13:15] <gigglebot> thanks for mentioning
[13:16] <blackflow> gigglebot: avoidig confusion by omission of crucial information does more harm than good.
[13:17] <Dice> One of my systemd service files briefly starts and then kills itself. Here are the relevant pastes: https://pastebin.com/zwJiw7Qr https://pastebin.com/aqugJ74T
[13:17] <Dice> How can I figure out why?
[13:17] <gigglebot> i kinda agree but need to crawl before i walk
[13:18] <leftyfb> Dice: how do you know it kills itself?
[13:18] <blackflow> Dice: because the service process exited. Is there a custom log for it?
[13:19] <blackflow> leftyfb: because it's Type=simple, no extra daemon so SD knows when it's done, marks "code=exited"
[13:19] <Dice> leftyfb: Its's a service for IRC services, ie nickserv etc. Nickserv and Chanserv connect to my ircd when I start it, but the service immediately kills itself and they get disconnected
[13:19] <leftyfb> Dice: what happens when you run the command manually
[13:20] <Dice> leftyfb: it works manually
[13:20] <leftyfb> Dice: what user is the systemd service configured to run as? What user are you running it as manually?
[13:21] <blackflow> Dice: does it when run exactly  in the same context? under user and group "irc"?
[13:21] <blackflow> it's in the paste....
[13:21] <leftyfb> blackflow: where?
[13:21] <Dice> blackflow: I can't run it with the user and group "irc" manually because of permissions, it works through systemd though for a second before it dies
[13:22] <blackflow> leftyfb: first paste
[13:22] <Dice> there are log files but they're empty
[13:22] <blackflow> Dice: well then that's it. your systemd unit runs it as User=irc and Group=irc
[13:22] <blackflow> you must be able to run that process "manually" under that UID/GID
[13:23] <leftyfb> Dice: edit /etc/passwd and change irc shell to /bin/bash, then sudo su irc # and run the command manually to see what's going on
[13:23] <leftyfb> Dice: make sure to change /etc/passwd back after troubleshooting
[13:23] <Dice> i'll try checking the permissions first
[13:23] <blackflow> su -l   instead of sudo so
[13:23] <blackflow> *sudo su
[13:24] <blackflow> or better sudo -i
[13:25] <leftyfb> Dice: where exactly are you going to check permissions if you don't know where it's having issues with permissions?
[13:28] <Dice> leftyfb: the executable
[13:29] <leftyfb> Dice: if the executable had issues with permissions, it wouldn't run at all via the systemd unit, not connect and die
[13:31] <Dice> "irc:x:39:39:ircd:/bin/bash" do you mean like this leftyfb?
[13:31] <leftyfb> yes
[13:32] <Dice> and now I start the service?
[13:32] <Dice> manually
[13:32] <leftyfb> are you logged in as the irc user?
[13:32] <Dice> yes
[13:33] <leftyfb> then yes
[13:33] <Dice> that works
[13:34] <Dice> the service survives
[13:34] <Dice> i mean anope
[13:35] <leftyfb> Dice: do you have a group called "irc" or "ircd"?
[13:36] <Dice> it's supposed to be "irc"
[13:37] <leftyfb> how do you know? Your irc user is part of the "ircd" group.
[13:37] <Dice> strange
[13:37] <Dice> can I change this?
[13:37] <leftyfb> Dice: change what? You haven't actually answered the question
[13:37] <leftyfb> Dice: do you have a group called "irc" or "ircd"?
[13:38] <Dice> I created a group called irc when I made the user I believe, I had a user named "ircd" before with that group but I deleted it
[13:39] <leftyfb> Dice: ok, sounds like a mess you created that I think you know how to fix at this point
[13:39] <leftyfb> though, I would assume installing "anope" would have created it's own user/group and you should be using those
[13:40] <qwebirc37110> ping ubuntu
[13:40] <Dice> leftyfb: I think it did in a pervious installation of the ircd
[13:40] <leftyfb> qwebirc37110: this is a support channel. Test elsewhere
[13:40] <Dice> I think I've fixed the group anyway
[13:40] <qwebirc37110> can I get any info for this request - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1127134/login-with-kerberos-user-on-ubuntu-16-04-desktop-with-sudo-privileges
[13:40] <qwebirc37110> its regrading login with kerberos user on Ubuntu 16.04 lightdm
[13:44] <Dice> anope.service still didn't work sadly
[13:45] <Dice> although starting it manually worked
[13:45] <jeremy31> jayram1989?
[13:45] <qwebirc37110> jeremy31: yes
[14:00] <lelion97> salut
[14:03] <leftyfb> Dice: when you're logged in as "irc" type "groups".
[14:21] <jair> hello all my bridge br0 <> eno1 was working perfectly with netplan and the lxc hosts were able to ping my lan router/internet/ and being accessible via internet as well.  Today I installed a couple of updates in the past month and noticed that now the containers can ping the host but cannot ping other members in the LAN nor the internet :(
[14:24] <leftyfb> jair: you should ask in #lxcontainers
[14:24] <jair> This is the status of my bridge > https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fhWXqtccN8/
[14:24] <jair> leftyfb: alright, I will check thanks
[15:07] <djp_> does anyone know why when i add a specific app to my menu, it fails to open? The app in question is here, https://github.com/pete-gordon/oricutron. it loads perfectly fine from the cli if I'm in the directory where i installed it. running ubuntu 16.04. all other apps launch just fine.
[15:08] <leftyfb> djp_: if the .desktop file is correct, then you'll need to seek support from pete-gordon
[15:09] <djp_> leftyfb: sure. yes, i've tried everything. will do as you say. thanks.
[15:09] <john__> hello,
[15:10] <john__> does anyone know about swift. i installed swift 4.03 version on ubuntu 18.10 and got the error message error while loading libraries libatomic.so.1: wrong ELF class ELFCLASS 32
[15:20] <MyStartx> Hello
[15:22] <jeremy31> john__: was swift a 64 bit version?
[15:22] <MyStartx> Xlib : extension "RANDR" missing on display " :0.0"
[15:23] <MyStartx> hiw cai i solve guys?
[15:23] <MyStartx> ubuntu14
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> MyStartx: 14.04 is almost going end of life, consider making a backup and upgrade or clean install 16.04?
[15:35] <MyStartx> i want to solve on this version somehow
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> MyStartx: tell us what you did exactly please?
[15:39] <MyStartx> is about a phython script who working with x11 and return this message on ubuntu 14
[15:40] <ioria> MyStartx, xdpyinfo | grep -i rand
[15:42] <blackflow> !bug #157319 | MyStartx
[15:43] <MyStartx> is intel card and i found that i must disable xinerama ..?
[15:43] <blackflow> MyStartx: otherwise, you need to give more context. what is this python script doing, which package is that (and note we don't really support software not packaged on Ubuntu here)
[15:43] <MyStartx> is ubuntu error
[15:44] <ioria> MyStartx, are you on a xvfb ?
[15:45] <blackflow> MyStartx: if you google for that message you'll get a lot of results, ubuntu related even, with some suggestions. please try those, otherwise please give more info on the context. which application you're running.
[15:45] <MyStartx> i just installed xvfb
[15:45] <ioria> MyStartx, xdpyinfo | grep -i rand
[15:45] <MyStartx> is no return any message
[15:46] <MyStartx> that command
[15:46] <ioria> MyStartx, so it's not supported
[15:46] <blackflow> which would imply your gpu driver doesn't support it. which kernel are you using?
[15:49] <blackflow> ragequit, possibly could've solved witth HWE kernel or as lotus suggested, full upgrade.
[16:02] <ecv> hi, is there an app such that it will monitor the memory and swap and under a given threshold will freeze the top ram consumer processes and show a pop-up with a warning and options to either kill or resume these? I'm a bit sick of running out of memory any time I make a mistake in blender or any such ram hungry app. I know I can bind oomkiller to
[16:02] <ecv> some shortcut but that's not what I want. I should be able to decide what to do at that time. Maybe I'd like to kill other apps instead
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> ecv: i would go the root problem, make your system smooth once again, tweak until you work lighter
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> ecv: how much ram do you have on wich DE with what kind of app?
[16:07] <blackflow> the only solution here is simply to add more RAM. more swap temporarily.
[16:08] <blackflow> blender will probably want gobs of it.
[16:08] <ecv> ok thank you...
[16:10] <nullbyte_> i have compiled kernel 5.0.3 with ubuntu lts
[16:10] <nullbyte_> it's ok but on boot i gout failed to mount gnome.snap lines
[16:10] <nullbyte_> that's it
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> nullbyte_: we dont really support own kernel compiling
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> nullbyte_: if you want kernel 5 help test dingo?
[16:12] <OerHeks> self compiled kernel is indeed not supported here, you could try the mainline repo, still you are on your own
[16:12] <OerHeks> !mainline
[16:18] <qwebirc13511> Hello everyone
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> welcome qwebirc13511
[16:18] <qwebirc13511> I've just installed Ubuntu
[16:18] <qwebirc13511> It is unbelievable how good it is
[16:19] <qwebirc13511> I had a question I wanted direction regarding
[16:20] <qwebirc13511> For my work, there are a lot of repetetive tasks that I want to automate using a voice command software
[16:20] <qwebirc13511> I've never used Dragon naturally speaking, what I want to use is something where I can say specific commands that I have created
[16:20] <qwebirc13511> For specific tasks
[16:20] <qwebirc13511> I have very scare understanding of programming, and can code a little in AutoHotkeys
[16:21] <qwebirc13511> Any suggestions as to how to proceed?
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc13511: you can search the repos with apt-cache search speech for example
[16:22] <qwebirc13511> Where could I search the repos?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc13511: from a terminal sorry
[16:22] <qwebirc13511> How would I access a terminal?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc13511: slide your mouse pointer towards the terminal icon and click it
[16:23] <qwebirc13511> Found it in applications
[16:23] <qwebirc13511> Woahh
[16:23] <qwebirc13511> These are all applications that people have made?
[16:23] <OerHeks> look at mycroft.ai, or simon, or lucida .. all of these have a learning curve, not that advanced
[16:24] <qwebirc13511> This is amazing
[16:24] <qwebirc13511> I don't come from a computer science background, however this is really fascinating stuff, and has a lot of applications to automate and improve my work efficiency
[16:25] <qwebirc13511> Could someone recommend any books / youtube videos to get a hang of how to navigate and customize Ubuntu and make softwares?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | qwebirc13511
[16:26] <qwebirc13511> !discuss
[16:26] <blackflow> nah you gotta make the bot love you and listen to you first. give it something to eat, pet it.
[16:27] <blackflow> !botsnack
[16:27] <qwebirc13511> @lotuspsychje and @OerHeks thank you, I will search try to join #ubuntu-discuss
[16:27] <OerHeks> tons of howto's on the internet, tweaking ubuntu. omgubuntu.co.uk , fullcirclemagazine.org
[16:28] <qwebirc13511> @OerHeks yes, yes, most definitely, super excited to get building!
[16:36] <brimurray> Permissions problem on Ubuntu 18.04.2 with the snap app.  I can't delete viewed files from my TV app, any ideas?
[16:36] <blackflow> brimurray: where are those files?
[16:37] <brimurray> blackflow: in my /home/videos/plex
[16:38] <blackflow> brimurray: ah so from the application?
[16:38] <blackflow> snaps are supposed to interact  with $HOME under ~/snap/...
[16:38] <nullbyte_> so i want to disable perm snap (snap.gnome) in system specially on boot when it shows snap mount hdd
[16:39] <nullbyte_> how
[16:39] <blackflow> that'll probably break everything
[16:39] <nullbyte_> nothing
[16:39] <nullbyte_> tell me
[16:39] <OerHeks> disabling a core snap..?
[16:39] <nullbyte_> systemctl disable?
[16:39] <nullbyte_> no core snap
[16:39] <nullbyte_> just snap
[16:39] <blackflow> I mean gnome is now installed as a snap in Ubuntu. if you disable the snap, you'll have to replace gnome from apt then
[16:40] <blackflow> or not have gnome at all I suppose
[16:40] <nullbyte_> blackflow, ok i will try
[16:40] <nullbyte_> i will check cinnamon maybe
[16:40] <brimurray> blackflow: They show up when added, play on all my client palyers ok. But I can't delete when marked as played? used to work OK on the ppa install
[16:40] <nullbyte_> aptitude remove snap snapd not helps
[16:41] <blackflow> brimurray: well the snap probably has read access there, but not write access.
[16:41] <blackflow> nullbyte_: helps with what exactly
[16:41] <OerHeks> nullbyte_, on mint?
[16:42] <heller_> so guys, is KiTTy safe alternative for putty?
[16:43] <nullbyte_> blackflow, ok i have kernel5
[16:43] <brimurray> blackflow: Ive given snap (group) read/write access but still no joy on delete. This worked OK on non snap install
[16:43] <nullbyte_> blackflow, how to enable snap there it's disabled
[16:43] <nullbyte_> specially on boot
[16:43] <OerHeks> nullbyte_, kernel 5? not a current supported ubuntu version
[16:43] <nullbyte_> mount snap(gnome)
[16:43] <blackflow> brimurray: that won't change anything. snaps are containers enforced with AppArmor. I think they're designed that way. They need the "home" interface to acess files in $HOME, but I _think_ not sure, that's read only. RW access is under special directories in ~/snap/...
[16:44] <blackflow> nullbyte_: there? where? what are you talking about.
[16:44] <OerHeks> heller_, kitty is not in our repos?
[16:44] <heller_> mm well its not an ubuntu related
[16:44] <heller_> sorry
[16:44] <blackflow> brimurray: besides, they run as your user, so the "snap" group is irrelevant in this case
[16:44] <nullbyte_> blackflow, i have kernel5 but snap not works with kernel5
[16:45] <OerHeks> nullbyte_,  there you go, you created an unsupported situation
[16:45] <blackflow> nullbyte_: #ubuntu+1 is what you need there, for support with Dingo
[16:45] <OerHeks> or better the mint channels
[16:45] <nullbyte_> blackflow, where is this
[16:45] <tomreyn> !ot | heller_: according to its website, "KiTTY is only designed for the Microsoft® Windows platform."
[16:45] <tomreyn> heller_: oh you noticed, cool.
[16:47] <brimurray> blackflow: OK, I understand you but a tad annoying i cant easily delete (say from my TV) but only from the source folder on my Plex server (on my desktop PC.
[16:54] <qwebirc31304> hii
[16:55] <qwebirc31304> i need help to get bluetooth in ubuntu 18.04.2 in my intel atom z3735f mechi9ne
[16:55] <qwebirc31304> hel me pls
[16:56] <qwebirc31304> help
[16:56] <qwebirc31304> 'help
[16:56] <qwebirc31304> help
[16:59] <Dice> qwebirc31304: ask the question
[17:00] <qwebirc31304> i need help to get bluetooth in ubuntu 18.04.2 in my intel atom z3735f mechi9ne
[17:00] <qwebirc31304> i acnt get bluetooth worked
[17:00] <qwebirc31304> i can't get bluetooth worked
[17:01] <qwebirc31304> i am using ubuntu modified by linuxium
[17:01] <tomreyn> !ot | qwebirc31304
[17:04] <qwebirc31304> #ubuntu help
[17:04] <qwebirc31304> any body help me to on topic ubuntu
[17:04] <qwebirc31304> anybody help me to on topic ubuntu
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc31304: dont repeat please, be patient
[17:05] <qwebirc31304> lotuspsychje:ok dev
[17:06] <qwebirc31304> bluetooth is not working in my ubuntu by linuxium baytrail machine
[17:09] <qwebirc31304> help.......................
[17:11] <qwebirc31304> bluetooth is not working in my ubuntu by linuxium baytrail machine.
[17:11] <qwebirc31304> bluetooth is not working in my ubuntu by linuxium baytrail machine.THe current drivers by linuxium is not appears to be working in my baytrail computer
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc31304: stop that please
[17:12] <qwebirc31304> ubuntu doesnt sense any bluetooth in laptop
[17:12] <qwebirc31304> bluetooth is not working in my ubuntu by linuxium baytrail machine.THe current drivers by linuxium is not appears to be working in my baytrail computer
[17:19] <qwebirc31304> whyno discussion is going on
[17:24] <MuralitoYa> Hello
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> welcome MuralitoYa
[17:25] <MuralitoYa> I'm from Perú
[17:38] <XLV> i am trying to install ubuntu on an UEFI laptop.. it already has windows in there, on a 256GB ssd, i want to install ubuntu 18.10 on a partition on the 1TB hdd thats also in there.. from this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI i gather that the option to select a device to place boot loader in ubuntu install shouldnt appear, and instead ubuntu attaches itself to the windows boot manager in the already existing EFI partition of windows, is it so? if
[17:38] <XLV> not, what boot entry should i choose?
[17:40] <Alpha-Omega> As far as I'm aware, Ubuntu gives you the option of whrre you want to install thr bootloader.
[17:40] <Alpha-Omega> XLV: Just because you have a bootloader on one disk doesn't mena you can't install one on another disk.
[17:41] <XLV> https://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-alongside-a-pre-installed-windows-with-uefi from this link i gather an option to install alongside windows boot manager should appear, i dont see that
[17:41] <XLV> Alpha-Omega, sure but then i will have to adjust the boot sequence in the bios
[17:41] <OerHeks> !uefi
[17:41] <compdoc> sometimes Ubuntu will make the worng choice of where to put the bootloader, but you can stop and tell it where
[17:41] <XLV> and that laptop is EFI only, cant boot from MBR hdds or ssds, only MBR installation media
[17:42] <XLV> and you cant select a single hdd/ssd like you can with MBR, you gotta create an EFI boot entry
[17:42] <XLV> kinda complicated
[17:42] <XLV> in boot sequence, i mean
[17:43] <XLV> i will try again with secure boot on.. in that link they say the installation was seamless with secure boot on
[17:43] <XLV> and that ubuntu is secure boot validated
[17:43] <Alpha-Omega> XLV: So you have two differenr disks and want to install the bootloadrr on one disk, but boot from both drives?
[17:43] <XLV> Alpha-Omega, the laptop has a 256GB ssd where win 10 is
[17:43] <XLV> along with the EFI partitions of windows
[17:43] <Alpha-Omega> So what is the 1TB?
[17:43] <XLV> then theres an 1TB hdd also in there
[17:44] <XLV> i want to install ubuntu in a 200GB partition in that hdd, i have already create the partitions needed, / and swap
[17:44] <XLV> and the rest as ntfs partition
[17:45] <Alpha-Omega> So like I said two different disks. 256GB with Windows and you want to install Ubuntu on a 1TB HDD.
[17:45] <Alpha-Omega> You will most likely need an EFI partition as well, unless im mistaken.
[17:45] <XLV> yes... ubuntu EFI bootloader should attach itself to the EFI boot loader  and partition of windows, no?
[17:46] <XLV> and not create a new EFI partition and boot load in the 1TB hdd
[17:47] <likemindead> !steam
[17:48] <Alpha-Omega> Not sure if that's how it works in cases of booting the bootloader off one disk and the OS from another.
[17:51] <Alpha-Omega> You probably don't need the second EFI, but it shouldn't hurt. Does thr installer see both disks? just select the Windows disk for installing the bootloader.
[17:53] <Alpha-Omega> XLV: Just make sure you turn of fastboot, if applicable, or Ubuntu won't boot.
[17:53] <leonardus> can anyone vouch for any of these? https://www.humblebundle.com/books/linux-wiley-books
[17:54] <XLV> Alpha-Omega, yeah, already turned off.. and it can create data corruption too
[17:56] <ducasse> !ot | leonardus
[18:04] <nonix4b> How do I unlock a frozen X session on 18.04, after switching to console? Input on lock screen was apparently going to tty1...
[18:06] <rypervenche> nonix4b: Moi. Frozen as in it froze up on you and you went to TTY1 to try to see what was wrong?
[18:07] <nonix4b> as in does not appear to take any input; switching to console worked and tty1 had password in cleartext...
[18:09] <nonix4b> somewhat similar to Bug #1685141 but that was reported already vs 17.04...
[18:27] <eduardo_> 7
[18:28] <soundwave> Hey! Anybody well versed with apt-offline and live USB?
[18:30] <blackflow> !ask | soundwave
[18:31] <xzcvczx> is there a way to set the install command in ./configure (in most packages)?
[18:33] <nonix4b> ... ps lists 4 copies of gdm-session-worker [pam/gdm-password] - why more than one?
[18:33] <blackflow> xzcvczx: probably, but this wrong channel for automake questions
[18:37] <Hulio> hi guys, is anyone willing to help me resoloved installing amd graphic for RX Vega issue under ubuntu 18.04 ?
[18:38] <Hulio> this is the problelm: WARNING: amdgpu dkms failed for running kernel
[18:38] <tomreyn> Hulio: do you mean -pro ?
[18:38] <Hulio> ./amdgpu-pro-install -y
[18:38] <Hulio> yeah
[18:38] <tomreyn> do you need those?
[18:38] <Hulio> spend like 5 days
[18:38] <Hulio> so stress
[18:39] <Hulio> yeah...how else can my graphic work?
[18:39] <Hulio> It works nicely in Windows OS
[18:39] <Hulio> so easy   to install in Windows OS just run install with their exe file
[18:39] <tomreyn> amdgpu is supported out of the box
[18:39] <tomreyn> just not the -pro overlay
[18:39] <Hulio> I need it for mining
[18:42] <tomreyn> -pro is not supported here, ask amd
[18:43] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMDGPU#AMDGPU_PRO
[18:43] <Hulio> tomreyn: last time it works
[18:43] <Hulio> under ubuntu 16.04
[18:43] <Hulio> i did something
[18:44] <Hulio> something with --headless
[18:44] <Hulio> and something...firgot the steps
[18:44] <mattfly>  how can i tell apt to automatically install modules for an older kernel?
[18:44] <nonix4b> debian#799179 might be a related bug for that screen lock hang issue too... or does ubottu have different syntax for debian bugs, if any?
[18:44] <Hulio> tomreyn: AMD does have driver for ubuntu 18.04
[18:45] <blackflow> mattfly: kernel modules are part of the corresponding kernel package, so it's automagic.
[18:45] <mattfly> well why it doesnt work then?
[18:45] <tomreyn> i know, but it's still not supported *here*. they do the driver, they (maybe) support it, ask them.
[18:45] <Hulio> who know how to resolve my issue?  ./amdgpu-pro-install -y   ....at the end with this: WARNING: amdgpu dkms failed for running kernel
[18:45] <mattfly> get stuck on this screen https://imgur.com/gallery/kLPMFhg
[18:45] <blackflow> mattfly: no idea, you'll have to elaborate what you're doing, what you expect to happen and what is happening instead.
[18:45] <mattfly> tty works
[18:45] <mattfly> no eth0 or wlan0 interface
[18:46] <mattfly> what should i do?
[18:46] <mattfly> I want to test an older kernel to see if a bug is relateed to the kernel or not
[18:46] <blackflow> you should check dmesg and see what the kernel is saying about that
[18:46] <mattfly> but i runned apt autoremove after the bug happened
[18:46] <Hulio> so basically no one know
[18:46] <blackflow> mattfly: something tells me you did not install the kernel from teh package?
[18:46] <mattfly> I runned sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.15.0-42-generic linux-headers-4.15.0-42-generic linux-headers-4.15.0-42
[18:46] <mattfly> so maybe not?
[18:47] <blackflow> mattfly: and corresponding linux-modules-$(uname -r)    no?
[18:47] <mattfly> oh so theres a linux-modules pakage!
[18:47] <Hulio> is there a way to downgrade kernal?
[18:47] <blackflow> yeah, like I said :)
[18:48] <blackflow> mattfly: also linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r) but that's hard dep of the kernel
[18:48] <mattfly> ill do all
[18:48] <mattfly> does this somehor configures my graphics card modules and virtualbox modules too for this older kernel?
[18:49] <Hulio> I just can't believe Ubuntu can't make graphic installation just like the windows..make it simple man
[18:49] <mattfly> heh ubuntu has a very pretty graphical installation, unless youre talkign about ubuntu server Hulio
[18:50] <mattfly> but i think even ubuntu server has a graphical installer now?
[18:50] <XLV> hmm.. the solution was to use the option install alongside windows manager, the automatic option
[18:50] <XLV> but, it didnt create a swap partition, just deleted the two partitions / and swap i have created in there and created one single / partition
[18:51] <blackflow> mattfly: dkms will trigger build automatically. vbox modules (for guest) are part of teh kernel since 4.15
[18:51] <XLV> well, gotta shrink it and create a swap partition manually, i guess
[18:51] <mattfly> ok... illl be testing it again soon blackflow!
[18:51] <mattfly> just installing the linux-modules
[18:52] <mattfly> shouldnt linux modules be a dependency of linux-image?
[18:53] <XLV> Alpha-Omega, it also created an efi partition for ubuntu on the 1TB hdd
[18:53] <blackflow> mattfly: yeah and I have no idea why modules aren't but modulex-extras are.... weird. must be some logical explanation though
[18:53] <blackflow> *modules-extra
[18:53] <mattfly> modules-extra arent a modules dependency...
[18:55] <mattf> an this is mattf from another computer, testing the older kernel once again now
[18:55] <blackflow> mattfly: linux-generic depends on linux-image-generic which dependson linux-image-$(uname -r)-generic and linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r)-generic,   but linux-image-$(uname) actually depends on linux-modules
[18:55] <mattf> hah simply worked... how dumb am i...
[18:55] <blackflow> motte: so actually the dependencies are all in place, just  a bit convoluted graph.
[18:55] <mattf> u saved me blackflow!
[18:56] <blackflow> !next
[18:56] <mattf> in case this works, should i apt hold all linux-*-﻿4.15.0-42 ?
[18:57] <blackflow> mattf: what exactly are you trying to do there? you shouldn't hold any package unless you know exactly what you're doing, in which case you whouldn't ask :)
[18:57] <mattf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1819915
[18:58] <mattf> I want to hibernate
[18:58] <mattf> I'm gonna prove now its a kernel issue or not
[18:59] <mattf>  I want to use this as a workaround until maybe thats fixed on the upstream
[18:59] <OerHeks> mattf, did you try HWE ?
[18:59] <OerHeks> !hwe
[18:59] <XLV> heh.. it created a 2GB swap file.. how lame..
[18:59] <mattf> I'm on 18.04 LTS
[19:00] <mattf> was working on 18.04.1 and stopped after upgrade to 18.04.2
[19:00] <OerHeks> hwe would give 4.18
[19:00] <mattf> oh wait
[19:00] <mattf> I tested that kernel with ukuu
[19:00] <mattf> freezes tryign to resume from hibernation
[19:02] <soundwave> OK blackflow, ubottu : why apt-offline does not seem to download dependencies packages for a package, and why can't I install packages like synaptic, grub-efi-amd64-signed, grub-efi-amd64?
[19:03] <mattf> ok i did a messy shit here now
[19:03] <mattf> I hibernated sucessfully with kernel 4.15.0-42
[19:03] <mattf> and resumed with kernel 4.15.0-46
[19:04] <mattf> sucessfully
[19:04] <mattf> because i was too slow to choose the proper one from grub :P
[19:04] <mattf> oh, but uname -a still says im on 4.15.0-42
[19:05] <blackflow> mattf: so then which one stopped hibernating?
[19:05] <soundwave> OK blackflow, ubottu : why apt-offline does not seem to download dependencies packages for a package, and why can't I install packages like synaptic, grub-efi-amd64-signed, grub-efi-amd64 on live USB.
[19:05] <blackflow> mattf: that info is crucial for that bug, in order to track down which patch might've caused it.
[19:06] <blackflow> soundwave: ubottu is a bot, and I have no idea. merely told you to ask the actual question so someone who might know would read and help out. so, patience please :)
[19:07] <soundwave> ubottu; that's my question : OK blackflow, ubottu : why apt-offline does not seem to download dependencies packages for a package, and why can't I install packages like synaptic, grub-efi-amd64-signed, grub-efi-amd64
[19:21] <nonix4b> also that gnome session apparently has more than 100k open filedescriptors...
[19:28] <volky> 1
[19:28] <volky> 1
[19:29] <Silmarilion_> Hi, for some reason my network connection gets disconnected shortly after I enable it in NetworkManager. I am running Ubuntu inside hyper-v vm and trying to setup a network in order to communicate between host and guest.
[19:30] <Silmarilion_> I assigned static IP on both host system and as well in Ubuntu guest, 10.0.0.100 10.0.0.101
[19:30] <Silmarilion_> 255.255.255.0 subnet, what could be the issue for the network to drop connection?
[19:35] <nonix4b> also "login-session unlock-session 5" does not change the state of that session in any way :-/
[19:35] <nonix4b> *loginctl
[19:42] <trafaret1> hi there
[19:42] <tonyt> hi
[19:42] <trafaret1> maybe anybody can help me. Why I can't just use tlmgr to download latex packages?
[19:56] <murthy> I am using keepassxc on ubuntu, is it safe to use keepass2android on android?
[19:59] <Gerowen> murthy: I believe keepass2droid is an officially endorsed port.
[19:59] <Gerowen> murthy: Yep, it's listed on the download page: https://keepass.info/download.html
[19:59] <Silmarilion> murthy, I've been using it for a while
[19:59] <Gerowen> I use it on mine too.
[20:00] <Gerowen> Stick the database file in a Dropbox folder and bam, syncs between devices.
[20:00] <Silmarilion> Gerowen, same strategy
[20:00] <Silmarilion> works like a charm
[20:00] <XLV> !swap
[20:00] <Gerowen> fyi, the Linux version of Dropbox supports symbolic links, so if you don't want to screw up your file structure, you can just symbolically link the specific files you want backed up to Dropbox, :-)
[20:01] <ketoprofen> snap or flatpak for ubuntu?
[20:01] <Silmarilion> why not both :)
[20:02] <ketoprofen> why have both ?
[20:02] <Silmarilion> By default Ubuntu uses snap, however I've found some apps don't have snap version but have flatpak so I have both.
[20:03] <ketoprofen> oh ok
[20:04] <ketoprofen> I found all my apps either in the apt rep or snap , so I was wondering how one would be better than the other
[20:05] <ketoprofen> haven't found yet an app that is on one or the other
[20:07] <Silmarilion> I had one or two apps from my dev stack missing, can't remember which one though :(
[20:09] <ketoprofen> only difference i found for them is that in ubuntu , it works very well (snap ) and fedora for example doesnt , hence using flatpak
[20:11] <ketoprofen> and obviously now that I asked uncle google about it , I remembered about appimage lol
[20:12] <compdoc> I have an uncle google too? cousin?
[20:13] <murthy> Gerowen, Silmarilion, cool, I will try keepass2droid, thank you both
[20:13] <ketoprofen> maybe compdoc lol
[20:19] <xedniv> anyone had this issue with gnome shell: https://i.imgur.com/eSJpulF.png
[20:19] <xedniv> the dimensions of the notification area applet are messed up
[20:22] <Cybertinus> hi
[20:22] <Cybertinus> how can I install Ubuntu 18.04 server without a working internet connection?
[20:27] <Cybertinus> if it doesn't get an ip address via DHCPv4 it doesn't want to continue
[20:27] <Cybertinus> if I disable the only networkcard in this VM, it doesn't want to continue because it doesn't have a IPv4 config whatsoever
[20:28] <Cybertinus> when I manually configure an ipaddress (which isn't going to work) I get a python stacktrace on my screen for 2 seconds and the installwizard starts over...
[20:30] <ioria> Cybertinus, is that the 'live' version ?
[20:31] <Cybertinus> ioria: yes
[20:31] <pc_magas> Hello I have some issues with minitube: Hello may I have some #minitube #ubuntu help? https://askubuntu.com/q/1128127/540746
[20:31] <pc_magas> Hello I have some issues with minitube: https://askubuntu.com/q/1128127/540746 *
[20:31] <ioria> Cybertinus, try the alternative : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/
[20:31] <pc_magas> Any information regarding the problem in written in the link.
[20:32] <pc_magas> I try to install it into a Ubuntu 16.04 machine
[20:33] <Cybertinus> ok ioria, let's see how far I will get with that one
[20:33] <ioria> gl
[20:33] <Cybertinus> thnx :)
[20:35] <xedniv> running disco dingo here in case it makes a difference
[20:35] <xedniv> https://i.imgur.com/eSJpulF.png is not present with the login screen. the dodgy widget sizing comes into play after login.
[20:37] <Cybertinus> ioria: that one doesn't even want to boot. My KVM VM doesn't recognise it as a valid boot medium :/
[20:38] <ioria> Cybertinus, not very versed in Vm, sy
[20:41] <blackflow> Cybertinus: which ISO did you use? The "alternative" is the installer to be used. iirc there's a known open bug about this -- server installer refusing to continue without an IP
[20:42] <Cybertinus> blackflow: I've tried the normal "live" iso first, which can't complete without an IP
[20:43] <Cybertinus> blackflow: the I've tried the alternative iso, which isn't recognised as a boot medium
[20:44] <blackflow> which "alternative" ISO is that?
[20:45] <Cybertinus> blackflow: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.2/release/ubuntu-18.04.2-server-amd64.iso <-- that one
[20:46] <blackflow> hrm yeah, that should be the one. maybe your download is corrupt? Did you verify the cheksum after download?
[20:46] <blackflow> Cybertinus: ^^^
[20:46] <FingerlessGloves> Hey guys, SNMPd question, I've turned off all access controls but a v3 user. Is that as secure as SNMPd can be?
[20:46] <tonyt> ubuntu server iso's, they come with out a GUI?
[20:47] <blackflow> yes they don't install gnome or a DE by default
[20:47] <blackflow> or *another DE
[20:47] <Cybertinus> blackflow: no, I couldn't find a link to SHA256SUMS
[20:47] <Cybertinus> right, it's just further down on the webpage
[20:47] <Cybertinus> will check the iso i've downloadednow
[20:49] <blackflow> Cybertinus: they're literally in teh same page and same directory with the alternative ISOs
[20:49] <Cybertinus> yeah, I found them
[20:49] <Cybertinus> checksum is fine
[20:50] <blackflow> oh ffs
[20:51] <OerHeks> for minitube, use the gdebi method to obtain missing packages, https://www.linuxhelp.com/how-to-install-minitube-in-ubuntu
[20:51] <OerHeks> else ask the maintainer
[20:52] <pbirkbec1> hello
[20:52] <Cybertinus> blackflow: ok, found the issue
[20:52] <Cybertinus> it was kvm related
[20:52] <blackflow> Cybertinus: what was the issue?
[20:53] <Cybertinus> for some reason KVM had removed the actual path to the Ubuntu .iso from the VM configuration. So I was trying to boot from an empty virtual CD drive.
[20:53] <blackflow> ah
[20:53] <Cybertinus> I've put the path back, and I'm booting the alternative iso now
[20:53] <blackflow> Cybertinus: you mean the virt manager did?
[20:53] <blackflow> or are you using teh qemu-system-x86_64 directly?
[20:53] <Cybertinus> i'm not using virt-manager
[20:53] <Cybertinus> I've created the vm with virt-install
[20:54] <Cybertinus> and I'm managing it with the virsh commands
[20:54] <blackflow> ah.
[20:54] <Cybertinus> somewhere in between switching from virt-install and virsh the path to the iso got removed
[20:55] <Cybertinus> thanks for your help though blackflow
[20:56] <blackflow> Cybertinus: np
[21:27] <NSA_Spy> Hello world! Is there any best practice way to make a an admin group with sudo that can't modify the sudoers file nor write/change files in /var/log?
[21:32] <blackflow> NSA_Spy: no, sudo is not role or mandatory access control agent, which is what you need, like SELinux, or maybe even AppArmor profile somehow forced on a login session.
[21:33] <NSA_Spy> damn. I'll look into that, thanks!
[21:35] <rypervenche> NSA_Spy: Or you could give the person only sudo access to specific commands that they need.
[21:37] <NSA_Spy> Thanks but in my case it's more of a black list than a white list situation
[21:38] <blackflow> NSA_Spy: thats why your buddies designed SELinux. It renders root unprivileged and your user has to transition to a special role designed to allow regular root activity but denies access to whatever.
[21:38] <blackflow> but something like that is very much unsupported on Ubuntu and barely if at all achievable even by experienced SELinux admins.
[21:39] <NSA_Spy> :) lol
[21:39] <blackflow> And coercing AppArmor to do the same is technically possible but I don't know how to force a profile onto a specific login session, AppArmor does not work with labels like SELinux does.
[21:39] <blackflow> only maybe via a separate ssh process that runs under such a profile so your "yeaaaaaaa root but not quite" user can login to that.
[21:41] <NSA_Spy> because we currently have Ubuntu deployed is why i avoided SELinux but I hadn't heard of the possibility of using AppArmor
[21:41] <NSA_Spy> I'll look into that and see what I can get
[21:41] <NSA_Spy> Thanks guys!
[21:42] <blackflow> AppArmor is default MAC on Ubuntu. If I were to go that route I'd totally run a special ssh process. You can apply any AppArmor profile to a service from systemd unit files, even if AppArmor is usually path based.
[21:43] <blackflow> therefore it should be reasonably simple to achieve that with a separate ssh.service that runs under a profile that allows everything except modifying sudoers and /var/log/   but that's ssh. dunno how to do that for local console logins.
[21:55] <NSA_Spy> thats a great starting point
[22:00] <GrimSleepless> Hey guys! I am wondering if I should create a bug for the following situation that I have. I have a fresh install of ubuntu and I have started off by installing my updates like I normally do on any Linux Distro. I have activated during my installation the encryption of my disk, just so you know. The next package I install, I have a message to use `sudo apt autoremove` to remove useless packages. Which I did, then I could
[22:00] <GrimSleepless> n't boot anymore since it removed the crypt module. I have reinstall Ubuntu, now I haven't executed the `apt autoremove`.  Should report the issue that dpkg/apt is not seeing what isn't used anymore correctly? sorry for the paragraph!
[22:08] <OerHeks> GrimSleepless, that is ugly, /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/apt/history.log could give a clue
[22:15] <GrimSleepless> OerHeks,  do you want me to post it here or should I file a bug with it?
[22:15] <GrimSleepless> Cause I agree with you this is ugly.
[22:17] <OerHeks> GrimSleepless,  try to investigate, you can paste them on paste.ubuntu.com so we all can take a look
[22:21] <EriC^^> GrimSleepless: which package did you install, that it asked you to do autoremove?
[22:22] <EriC^^> was it a manual installation or part of the dist-upgrade result?
[22:25] <OerHeks> it went wrong with 'sudo apt autoremove'
[22:25] <GrimSleepless> `https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hbpp2KGJVf/
[22:25] <GrimSleepless> for the /var/log/dpkg.log
[22:26] <GrimSleepless> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TW83B7dmRR/
[22:27] <GrimSleepless> for the /var/log/apt.log
[22:27] <OerHeks> 18.04 + hwe, or 18.10?
[22:28] <GrimSleepless> 18.10
[22:28] <GrimSleepless> XPS 15 9560
[22:29] <GrimSleepless> it propably have something to do with the fact I upgraded kernel
[22:29] <GrimSleepless> Well the update had a kernel upgrade
[22:36] <EriC^^> OerHeks: he said he removed a package, then it requested autoremove
[22:36] <GrimSleepless> No I haven't removed anything
[22:37] <GrimSleepless> Simply did a `sudo apt update` && `sudo apt dist-upgrade`
[22:37] <EriC^^> you guys confused me
[22:37] <EriC^^> "The next package I install, I have a message to use `sudo apt autoremove` to remove useless packages. Which I did, then I could"
[22:37] <GrimSleepless> Now if I do `sudo apt autoremove`, it won't boot
[22:38] <EriC^^> if you install something it could remove something, depending on conflicting packages (which you might actually need)
[22:40] <GrimSleepless> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TGvvNkNdfq/ -> This is what I am getting when I install a new package on my Ubuntu... it seems that crypt modules aren't there anymore for some reasons
[22:41] <GrimSleepless> But in the case a new user encrypted his hard drive and does a autoremove right after he upgraded, that same person would have to reinstall his Ubuntu or try to fix the issue
[22:42] <EriC^^> i sincerely doubt that
[22:42] <GrimSleepless> I did
[22:42] <EriC^^> we would have had a ton of people with the same issue
[22:42] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic cosmic
[22:42] <EriC^^> GrimSleepless: you installed like 10-20 packages, + you have xchat which im assuming you used a ppa for
[22:43] <OerHeks> i see also 4.18.0-17.18
[22:43] <EriC^^> so really there's missing data at play, maybe the sherlock's here can help though
[22:43] <GrimSleepless> Eric you also have to understand that this is a fresh install from the issue I am talking about
[22:43] <jeremy31> xchat?  Hasn't that been dead since 2013
[22:43] <OerHeks> and docker-ce ..
[22:43] <EriC^^> GrimSleepless: fresh 18.10?
[22:44] <GrimSleepless> yes
[22:44] <EriC^^> it's the stuff you installed
[22:44] <EriC^^> what ppa's did you add?
[22:44] <OerHeks> and seabios ??
[22:44] <GrimSleepless> Those have no link with the issue I had.
[22:44] <OerHeks> hmm fresh install with a lot of stuff
[22:45] <EriC^^> if you fresh install then it says autoremove, it's literally impossible, this isnt a hardware dependent issue, so everyone who installed 18.10 would have the same issue, and you're the first one who's ever mentioned it here, since 4 months xD
[22:45] <GrimSleepless> well when you do a fresh install, you do a upgrade
[22:45] <EriC^^> GrimSleepless: no issue you're aware of ;)
[22:46] <EriC^^> regardless something was added/modified, so if you go over what you added you might hone into the problem better
[22:46] <GrimSleepless> I will file an issue and try to recreate it in a VM
[22:46] <EriC^^> not being rude, just seen too many of these where it ends up the guy kept out some info from us, 2 hours down the line we find out
[22:47] <GrimSleepless> cause I had to install Ubuntu twice today because of it
[22:47] <GrimSleepless> it is alright
[22:47] <GrimSleepless> You don't know me and my experience
[22:48] <GrimSleepless> I will do some more testing over it cause it would be bad for a new user coming to Linux :S
[22:48] <GrimSleepless> and to Ubuntu
[22:48] <GrimSleepless> Thank you guys for your time! :)
[22:48] <GrimSleepless> Appreciate your time
[22:49] <EriC^^> no problem, good luck
[23:11]  * VonBraun 
[23:12] <VonBraun> Anybody else here try out that WSL thing yet?
[23:12] <Bashing-om> !wsl | VonBraun
[23:13] <VonBraun> #ubuntu-on-windows
[23:26] <noalternative> I was referred here from the #ubuntu-budgie community because they said my problem is an ubuntu issue.  To make a long story short, I just installed ubuntu budgie on a lenovo thinkpad x140e.  It looks great,but...
[23:27] <noalternative> the touchpad curser is irratic and can't click on anything.  I have to use a desktop mouse to do anything with it.   This computer has an amd processor and graphics, so it is possibly different from most ubuntu installs.
[23:27] <noalternative> Can anyone help?
[23:30] <auk> noalternative, please forgive the question but just to be sure... have you sucessfully used the touchpad with another OS?
[23:30] <auk> (just to rule out that it might be a hardware problem\)
[23:30] <noalternative> yes, it works on Windows 10 in a dual boot.
[23:30] <auk> ok
[23:30] <auk> then my first guess would be missing drivers
[23:31] <auk> that is, the default ubuntu drivers are probably not working that great for your touchpad
[23:31] <noalternative> yes
[23:32] <noalternative> I have upgraded after installation, though not dist-upgrade
[23:33] <OerHeks> sudo modprobe -r psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse #sometimes helps, with carbon x1 series
[23:33] <auk> noalternative, i'm googling now to try and see what the best way to get a driver would be
[23:33] <auk> ( i haven't used ubuntu in a while)
[23:33] <auk> noalternative, i woudl recommend doing dist-upgrade and seeing if that solves it
[23:33] <auk> (unless there's a particular reason you don't want to dist-upgrade?)
[23:34] <auk> it might not be just an *update* issue, it might be that you want a different/alternative driver
[23:34] <Bashing-om> !info xserver-xorg-input-libinput bionic
[23:36] <auk> for example, sometimes ubuntu might ship with an open source driver, but you might want to enable the non-free repos and install a closed source driver (sometimes the open source ones work fine, but on some hardware they might not support it well)
[23:36] <noalternative> OerHeks Should I reboot after that?
[23:37] <OerHeks> noalternative, no it should work direct,.. or not.
[23:39] <noalternative> OerHeks shoot it didn't work.
[23:41] <OerHeks> an old arch page may be of help, not sure of libinput does a better job, Bashing-om ?
[23:41] <OerHeks> just reading this http://motevets.com/linux/2014/12/26/arch-thinkpad-x140e.html
[23:42] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Just waiting amd watchiong .. i do know that synaptics (touchpad) is deprecated in favor of libinput.
[23:42] <Bashing-om> watching*
[23:45] <OerHeks> ah oke, like i expected
[23:47] <CarlFK> debian has a package firefox-esr - is there a ppa or repo when I can install that from?
[23:49] <ledeni> !info xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[23:49] <OerHeks> snap install –channel=esr/stable firefox
[23:49] <OerHeks> https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/10/12/firefox-esr-60-on-ubuntu
[23:51] <OerHeks> wait, or the ppa https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:51] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:54] <noalternative> OerHeks:  Here is what I found for the two files mentioned in your link doing apt-cache search https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qDHp6T64PX/
[23:54] <noalternative> Any suggestions as far as what to install?
[23:55] <noalternative> I think we have more than 1 person with touchpad issues, so could we please use names so we don't get confused as to who we are conversing with?
[23:57] <CarlFK> OerHeks: thanks - ppa is what will work best - trying to apt install the same set of packages
[23:59] <ledeni> noalternative:  can you give us 'apt list --installed | grep 'synaptics' | nc termbin 9999'