[09:28] <lundmar> trying out pre-release 19.04, it seems grub no longer loads the correct modules to support usb keyboard input?
[09:29] <lundmar> I can get keyboard working if I manually load the modules (GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="usb usb_keyboard ehci ohci uhci") but then it fails to find my nvme disk. Anyone else with similar issue?
[09:30] <lundmar> tested on xps 15 (9570)
[09:34] <guiverc> lundmar, i just booted a 19.04 laptop (thinkpad) & it let me use usb keyboard (instead of laptop kbd) at all steps, so it may be specific to your/some devices..
[09:37] <lundmar> guiverc: yes, it might be specific to xps 15. Some say that usb legacy support needs to be enable in bios but I have already done that.
[09:44] <guiverc> lundmar, i'm unlikely to be able to help you, if you wait maybe someone else will be able.  i just tried a sony thing and didn't have the success i expected; but I didn't see grub at all so i wanna explore what i saw instead
[09:46] <lundmar> guiverc: ok thanks. xps 15 is pretty popular - I simply hope we can get it sorted out before release.
[09:47] <guiverc> lundmar, file a bug report is probably the best advice anyone can give you, at least it leaves a 'paper' trail that people can comment on, track etc
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: biosupdate might help
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: see also if you can trace acpi issues in your logs
[10:13] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: I'm running latest. Worked fine with ubuntu 18.10 but after upgrade to 19.04 grub usb input stoppped working.
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: sounds like a kernel issue then, can we have your dmesg pastebin plz?
[10:14] <lundmar> grub kernel?
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg
[10:14] <lundmar> no no, this is before loading OS
[10:14] <lundmar> grub ignores my keyboard on xps 15
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: keyboard works on desktop?
[10:15] <lundmar> yes
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[10:15] <lundmar> 19.04 broge grub keyboard :/
[10:15] <lundmar> breaks*
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> lemme search around
[10:15] <lundmar> i'm even booting non-secure mode now
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: legacy usb enabled in bios?
[10:16] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: enabled
[10:17] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: its very similar to the issue seen here (long ago): https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226621
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: you sure this works in 18.10 right?
[10:17] <lundmar> yes, never had any issues with 18.10
[10:17] <lundmar> but 19.04 upgrade blew things up
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[10:18] <lundmar> I suspect maybe they messed up the default grub payload
[10:18] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: I've tried the stuff from the link with GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES and I can get the keyboard working but then it can't find my nvme disk :/
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: are you dualbooting or singleboot?
[10:20] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: singleboot ubuntu
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: i think for nvme ssd you need advanced partitioning in setup
[10:22] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: im not using lvm
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: did you try another keyboard?
[10:25] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: i've tried the laptop keyboard which i think is usb and then my logitech wireless via usb dongle
[10:25] <lundmar> neither works
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> allright
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: so your keyboard works also in bios itself right?
[10:27] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: correct
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: allright, lets create a new bug you have time for it?
[10:27] <lundmar> and I can force it to work by forcing preload of the grub modules
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-bug grub2 from terminal
[10:33] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1821709
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: tnx for taking your time to create it
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> lemme take a look
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: ah, i have a suggest could you try this with a 19.04 fresh liveusb?
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: testing dev branch best always cleans instead of upgrades
[10:36] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: I'm using liveusb to try fix grub. The liveusb grub works fine.
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: also please describe your grub pre modules test too
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: so keyboard works on grub livemode?
[10:37] <lundmar> I know I took at risk upgrading at this early stage but thats why im here - to avoid this issue in final release.
[10:37] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: correct
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: ok please add this to the bug too
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: must be some upgrade flaw somewhere then
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> we strongly reccomend testing dev versions clean always
[10:40] <lundmar> yes, i took a chance haha
[10:40] <lundmar> still, someone needs to test upgrade :D
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: reccomended upgrades at final mate
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: mark your bug solved ok, as this works on 19.04 live daily
[10:44] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: but running from live and install is a different thing no?
[10:44] <lundmar> i mean, this could still be a real issue
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: did you try installing a daily 19.04 fresh?
[10:45] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: no, upgrade.
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: test please
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> if live works, the daily install 'should' also work
[10:46] <lundmar> I can't do a fresh install atm.
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: ok thats your choice np, but hopefully you understand we cant bug out on a non-daily
[10:46] <lundmar> sure
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: its not fair towards the devs and avoid making more work then necesary
[10:48] <lundmar> i understand, I took at chance upgrading early just before beta release. Time will tell if the issue will persist.
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> anyway final will be there for you soon
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> !final
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: but that doesnt mean this will get your issue solved, hence it might hold leftovers from the upgrade
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> its also a move from non-lts to non-lts, less stable
[10:50] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: is it possible to do a fresh install without destroying home ?
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: setup can choose to install 'next' your current install
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: but ideal is to backup and fresh install 19.04 (if you want to help test)
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> cause until final, things can still break (not reccomended for daily usage yet)
[10:53] <lundmar> ok, i'll give it a try and follow up after final 
[13:57] <isomari> greetings, I update my kubuntu 19.04 everyday but my kernel is still at 4.18.0-13-generic. How can I update it?
[13:58] <isomari> to 5.0 I mean.
[14:09] <nacc> isomari: `lsb_release -sd`
[14:09] <nacc> isomari: 4.18.0-13 isn't even the right 18.10 kernel
[14:10] <isomari> nacc: I said I'm on 19.04
[14:10] <nacc> isomari: you said that, but that's not the correct kernel
[14:10] <nacc> isomari: so i would like actual proof :)
[14:11] <nacc> isomari: 18.10 is at 4.18.0-16 for one thing.
[14:11] <isomari> 1 sec .....
[14:11] <isomari> I got that from uname -r
[14:12] <nacc> isomari: ok, not what i asked for. also when you say you 'update' every day, what specifically do you mean?
[14:13] <isomari> lsb returns Ubuntu Disco Dingo (development branch)
[14:13] <nacc> isomari: ok, in a pastebin `apt-cache policy linux-image-generic; ls /boot`
[14:13] <isomari> by update I mean apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[14:15] <nacc> isomari: you should be using dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade during the development release
[14:20] <isomari> nacc: sorry, my system just lost power, 1 sec ....
[14:21] <isomari> proof? what do you want me to do?
[14:21] <nacc> isomari: we've moved on
[14:21] <nacc> isomari: you should be using dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade during the development release
[14:22] <isomari> nacc: that's what I used to originally upgrade from cosmic.
[14:22] <isomari> dist-upgrade
[14:22] <nacc> isomari: no you didn't
[14:22] <teward> isomari: dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade you between Ubuntu releases
[14:22] <nacc> isomari: do-release-upgrade, is probably waht you mean
[14:22] <teward> isomari: apt-get dist-upgrade will install all packages that have updates INCLUDING their dependent packages
[14:23] <isomari> nacc: with all du respect, It's still in my history. I'm not a layman.
[14:23] <nacc> isomari: if you did do a manual sources.list modification and dist-upgrade, then you didn't do it correctly.
[14:23] <teward> ^ that
[14:23] <isomari> ok. That's what i did. So what can I do now?
[14:24] <nacc> isomari: have you done a `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` ?
[14:24] <isomari> originaly yes
[14:24] <nacc> isomari: no, right now.
[14:24] <isomari> no
[14:24] <nacc> as I've said a few times.
[14:24] <isomari> should I?
[14:24] <nacc> isomari: yes.
[14:24] <isomari> ok thanks ........
[14:25] <isomari> after that ill I be ok?
[14:25] <nacc> isomari: i don't know.
[14:25] <isomari> I C
[14:26] <isomari> well here goes nothing..
[14:27] <isomari> funny. after the update, the dist-ugrade only wants to upgrade vivaldi-snapshot.
[14:29] <nacc> isomari: ok, then the command i asked for 15 minutes ago
[14:29] <isomari> which one?
[14:29] <nacc> isomari: ok, in a pastebin `apt-cache policy linux-image-generic; ls /boot`
[14:29] <isomari> 1 sec .....
[14:36] <isomari> https://pastebin.com/c8SghCza
[14:39] <isomari> https://pastebin.com/80Q3XkFN
[14:45] <isomari> this is the site I followed to do my upgrade a while back:  https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-to-19-04-disco-dingo
[14:47] <isomari> the only difference from that site is that I was/am on kubuntu.
[14:58] <tomreyn> previously you said you used this (wrong) method to do the release upgrade: edited sources.list manually, replacing the previous release codename by 'disco'. now you're saying you actually followed this how-to, which uses the do-release-upgrade utility to carry out the release upgrade. what you're saying doesn't seem to add up.
[14:59] <tomreyn> if you used the former method, you should rather do a fresh installation, if you used the latter method, then maybe, too. but then, 19.04 is unreleased and not yet supported, so really you're on your own there.
[15:01] <isomari> tomreyn: sorry , I was mistaken for a different machine. Not my laptop.
[15:01] <isomari> sothere's no way to upgrade my kernel?
[15:03] <tomreyn> install linux-image-generic
[15:03] <isomari> when the final is released, will I be able to upgrade from this beat?
[15:03] <isomari> beta
[15:04] <nacc> isomari: sorry was on the phone
[15:04] <nacc> isomari: yes, to your last question
[15:04] <isomari> ok
[15:04] <nacc> isomari: ... your pastebin doesn't make sense
[15:04] <isomari> which one?
[15:05] <nacc> the policy one
[15:06] <nacc> isomari: `sudo apt-get update` in a pastebin ?
[15:06] <isomari> I followed that site I posted and I've had n problems with this installation so far.
[15:06] <isomari> I don't know what could have happened or what I could have done worng.
[15:07] <nacc> isomari: did you run do-release-upgrade or not?
[15:07] <isomari> I did
[15:07] <isomari> it's in my history on feb 2
[15:08] <nacc> isomari: your machine is sayng that there is no linux-image-generic package from the mirrors you are using
[15:08] <nacc> which there is, i just looked on it
[15:08] <tomreyn> may depend on architecture
[15:08] <tomreyn> i386?
[15:08] <nacc> tomreyn: maybe, i see the binary deb for both
[15:09] <nacc> and rmadison says both are published
[15:09] <nacc> isomari: are you on i386?
[15:09] <isomari> 64bit
[15:09] <tomreyn> ok, i was just guessing
[15:09] <nacc> tomreyn: ack
[15:09] <nacc> isomari: please pastebin the `sudo apt-get update` output
[15:09] <isomari> 1 sec ...
[15:11] <isomari> it's comming. It's showing 1386 packages. I never noticed that before. 
[15:11] <isomari> still working. Bad connection where I'm at.
[15:12]  * tomreyn kthxbye
[15:14] <isomari> really bad link. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[15:14] <isomari> in the meantime, how can i upgrade the repos to 64bit?
[15:15] <isomari> I already pastebinned the soruces.lsit file. I don't see anywhere in there that explains wht apt-get is using 32bit repos.
[15:16] <isomari> stil updating ............
[15:16] <isomari> these typos make me look retarded. ;-)
[15:24] <isomari> actually, it's showing both 32bit and 64bit repos. still going .......
[15:29] <isomari> somewhow I lost the first line:  https://pastebin.com/WHBwWVEB
[15:30] <nacc> isomari: it also failed to download several package lists?
[15:30] <nacc> isomari: what does `apt-cache policy linux-image-generic` say now?
[15:31] <isomari> 1 sec .....
[15:32] <isomari> https://pastebin.com/7BrsV1WA
[15:32] <nacc> isomari: ok, now try a `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[15:32] <isomari> 1 sec ...
[15:33] <nacc> isomari: afaict, you have network issues, or your mirror is broken, or your were not running `sudo apt-get update` regularly.
[15:34] <isomari> 266 to upgrade and 86 new. I don't see any kernel though. Should I proceed?
[15:34] <nacc> isomari: pastebin the output
[15:34] <isomari> 1 sec ....
[15:35] <isomari> https://pastebin.com/WP6SXgHp
[15:36] <nacc> isomari: what are you talkinga bout? line 18.
[15:36] <isomari> don't mind me. I havent slept in days. ;-)
[15:37] <isomari> so what was the original problem that I caused?
[15:37] <nacc> isomari: i don't know, it woudl appear you didn't run `apt update`
[15:38] <isomari> so should I proceed now?
[15:38] <nacc> isomari: yes
[15:38] <isomari> thanks for your patience...
[17:49] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: I've found a workaround/fix for my grub usb input issue. I've updated the bug report.
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: nice work
[19:49] <Bashing-om> lundmar: Bug squashing ?
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1821709
[19:51] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Looking :)
[19:53] <Bashing-om> ^^ Good to know .. noted :)
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> we adviced to test 19.04 clean instead of upgrade, but he found workaround so
[20:08] <lundmar> lotuspsychje: at least the bug report will be there if anyone experiences the same post 19.04 release.
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah its good
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> we will see what happens at final right
[20:09] <lundmar> yeah
[20:11] <lundmar> now that i can use grub again I can continue to try get the intel gpu up and running - the dell xps 15 onboard intel gpu just blanks when booting. I saw the same issue with linux 5.0 on ubuntu 18.10.
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> weird
[20:13] <lundmar> yeah, the only way i can get it up and running is with nomodeset but that means software rendering instead of gpu :/
[20:21] <tomreyn> you should get a log and post it to get an idea of what the actual issue is.
[20:22] <tomreyn> one thing you may want to try: Ctrl+Alt+F4, log in, edit /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and uncomment (remove leading #) the line: #WaylandEnable=false
[20:24] <tomreyn> that's a workaround for a bug which was since fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1727356  - so *maybe* it just helps here, too
[20:26] <lundmar> tomreyn: that would disable wayland right? I would like to try run wayland.
[20:27] <tomreyn> it would make gdm not use wayland. i assume this also means you cannot run wayland at all, but i'm not certain there.
[20:27] <lundmar> also, it worked fine with 17.10 but breaks with any use of linux 5.0 in either 17.10 or 19.04
[20:27] <tomreyn> i assume right now you'd be happy to have any kind of graphical output at all
[20:28] <tomreyn> is this an optimus / prime system?
[20:28] <lundmar> llvmpipe rendering works, however - not using the gpu features such as my external dock DP monitors do not work
[20:28] <lundmar> tomreyn: i've blacklisted the noveau driver
[20:29] <tomreyn> this sounds like you're saying "yes"
[20:29] <lundmar> i only want to use the intel 630 gpu
[20:29] <lundmar> yes
[20:29] <tomreyn> do you know the exact model?
[20:29] <tomreyn> of the laptop
[20:29] <lundmar> sure, its the new xps 9570
[20:30] <lundmar> aka xps 15
[20:30] <tomreyn> then ignore my workaround suggestion, it most likely wont help
[20:30] <lundmar> its a pretty popular laptop
[20:30] <lundmar> should work
[20:31] <tomreyn> this? https://www.notebookcheck.net/Updated-Dell-confirms-that-it-is-fixing-the-XPS-15-9570-GPU-issue-that-it-previously-denied-existed.376516.0.html
[20:33] <lundmar> tomreyn: i dont think its related - it concerns gpu throttling limits.
[20:34] <lundmar> either way, the noveau driver is not in play since I've blacklisted it.
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> lundmar: an optimus card you should not blacklist nvidia, but disable performance mode in nvidia-prime
[20:35] <tomreyn> but the firmware surely is. maybe this is what your keyboard not working issue is really about: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1803179
[20:36] <tomreyn> i.e. maybe you did suspend?
[20:38] <lundmar> i dont use suspend at all
[20:38] <tomreyn> ok. but you use a docking station, you said?
[20:38] <lundmar> the last comment in the thread hints at using "acpi_rev_override=1 acpi_osi=Linux nouveau.modeset=0 pcie_aspm=force drm.vblankoffdelay=1 scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=1 nouveau.runpm=0 mem_sleep_default=deep"
[20:39] <lundmar> i'm gonna give that a try
[20:39] <tomreyn> on (just) a quick glance, this really looks like a firmware issue
[20:39] <lundmar> tomreyn: yes, i've successfully used a dell docking station with 2 external daisy chained DP monitors.
[20:39] <tomreyn> but without a log it's not possible to say, and even then, maybe, too.
[20:40] <lundmar> but first step would be to simply have laptop display working with gpu
[20:40] <OerHeks> maybe "i915.alpha_support=1" helps with that intel 630 ?
[20:41] <lundmar> OerHeks: I've thought about that but isn't alpha support a bit late for for this chipset?
[20:41] <lundmar> I would expect it to be fully supported at this point
[20:41] <OerHeks> worth a try ..
[20:41] <lundmar> but I will try the option if nothing else works
[20:41] <OerHeks> it used to be a fix for 620, iirc
[20:42] <tomreyn> i915.alpha_support=1 was (in some cases) needed for linux 4.14 to 4.18 only, i think
[20:43] <lundmar> i've seen some use it for intel 630 on a 4.7 kernel
[20:43] <lundmar> but linux 5.0 ....