[00:00] <tomreyn> qwebirc56993: if you have an android phone: https://github.com/Streetwalrus/android_usb_msd
[00:04] <qwebirc56993> What exactly am I to do with the link you sent me? I'm confused.
[00:05] <tomreyn> qwebirc56993: the idea there is that you download the ubuntu installer to your android smartphone, install this application on your phone (install the free software f-droid app repository first), use it to mount the ubuntu iso file you downloaded, connect your phone to your computer and and boot your computer off it (with your android phone acting as a usb stick).
[00:05] <tomreyn> this way you can do a clean ubuntu installation you can trust.
[00:07] <qwebirc56993> Oh cool! Is it self explanatory?
[00:07] <tomreyn> qwebirc56993: the app should be. the whole thing maybe not.
[00:08] <qwebirc56993> Ok let me try
[00:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc56993: if you prefer to try to bring this existing non-default (ubuntu + wicd) installation whoever made with whatever (malicious?) configurations online, you can try this instead (but i would not recommend it unless you know you can trust it): http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man5/wicd-wireless-settings.conf.5.html
[00:10] <qwebirc56993> Yeah I'm attempting to download USB mountr now
[00:11] <qwebirc56993> Will i need root access?
[00:12] <tomreyn> and keep in mind, for the future, that you should always have a way to boot from something similar (to your hard disk installation) and unbreakable (such as read-only media). i.e. once your usb stick arrives, be sure to keep the ubuntu 18.04.2 installer stored on it as a bootable installer.
[00:14] <tomreyn> i don't think usb mountr needs root on android, but that's far off topic here.
[00:14] <qwebirc56993> Yeah, sorry about that. Lemme see what I can do.
[00:15] <qwebirc56993> Yeah I'm just going to wait on the USB drive.
[00:15] <qwebirc56993> Thanks for your help guys.
[00:15] <tomreyn> there's #fdroid and #android here also
[00:18] <minimal22> Can someone please clarify the difference between ubuntu minimal install CD with xfce chosen as gui vs xubuntu?
[00:19] <minimal22> aside from the selection of pre-installed packages
[00:19] <pragmaticenigma> minimal22: The preinstalled packages is the only difference
[00:19] <minimal22> so ubuntu minimal install is esentially ubuntu without a gui, and I can choose to install xfce as the sole DE?
[00:20] <tomreyn> the former installation wont have the xubuntu-desktop package installed, i think
[00:20] <tomreyn> "mini" in "mini.iso" refers to the size of the iso file.
[00:21] <pragmaticenigma> minimal22: The mini.iso is meant to allow for the installation of Ubuntu using the online package repositories instead of having to download the entire ISO image. All Ubuntu flavors are provided as an option.
[00:22] <minimal22> pragmaticenigma: with the minimal install of ubuntu, are you prompted to choose a DE during the installation process?
[00:22] <OerHeks> you would see the whole list
[00:23] <pragmaticenigma> minimal22: Yes, You will see all official flavors of Ubuntu as options
[00:23] <Bashing-om> minimal22: No, with a minimal install, all you get is a booting kernel amd a wired internet connection, What else is installed is at your option.
[00:24] <minimal22> pragmaticenigma, so mini.iso would require an internet connection?
[00:24] <pragmaticenigma> minimal22: that is correct
[00:24] <minimal22> ok
[00:24] <minimal22> is it a gui install guide?
[00:24] <OerHeks> https://ahelpme.com/public/media/tutorials/netinstall-Ubuntu16.04-step-35--68d3998b8e.png example
[00:25] <pragmaticenigma> minimal22: It is a command line style gui. You are presented with a series of prompt screens to make choices, add the initial user and a few other settings
[00:25] <minimal22> basically I just want a minimal base system with xfce. So I am thinking the mini.iso is a better way to acheive that than xubuntu or xubuntu "core"
[00:26] <Bashing-om> minimal22: consider then ^ : http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ .
[00:26] <OerHeks> xubuntu gives xfce ..
[00:26] <minimal22> oerheks: thanks
[00:27] <minimal22> oerheks, xubuntu applies their own theming to xfce, I prefer the more 'retro' default xfce
[00:28] <minimal22> of course I can change those things after install, but would be easiest to install regular xfce I think
[00:30] <minimal22> if I'm looking for stability/security, is the LTS release going to be more beneficial, compared to 18.04
[00:30] <Platonides> 18.04 is a LTS
[00:31] <minimal22> I meant 18.10 my bad
[00:31] <j0seph> stability, certainly.
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> minimal22: If you're looking for stability and longer term support, I'd recommend 18.04 LTS
[00:32] <minimal22> alright, thanks
[00:36] <ninebits> i seem to be unable to install xubuntu over lubuntu. I've created a usb drive with the installer, place it in the lubuntu machine's usb port, and restart, but it doesn't boot into xubuntu. are there common mistakes people make when doing this?
[00:37] <ninebits> i want to completely replace the lubuntu os with xubuntu.
[00:37] <pnwise> Anyone familiar with packaging for ppa?
[00:38] <Sushi-san> ninebits, perhaps #xubuntu may be more helpful
[00:38] <ninebits> ok
[00:38] <ninebits> ty
[00:39] <Sushi-san> pnwise, can you be less vague?
[00:40] <pnwise> I wonder how to pass arguments to cofigure for building/compiling package
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> pnwise: A ppa is not used for compilation of software. It is a method for developers to provide their software to other users, with out requiring inclusion in Ubuntu's own repositories. Usage of PPAs is considered "At your own risk"
[00:43] <OerHeks> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA pretty complete howto
[00:44] <pnwise> Yeah, but packages get compiled om the servers, they are not pushed as binaries
[00:44] <pnwise> I know that page
[00:44] <nevodka> Color emojis. 16.04 LTS. How do?
[00:44] <OerHeks> by default it creates binaries for x86 andAMD64 ....you may also request builds for arm64, armhf, and/or ppc64el
[00:45] <pnwise> Seems I need to "override_dh_auto_configure" in debian/rules
[00:47] <pragmaticenigma> pnwise: Are you working with Ubuntu or Debian?
[00:48] <pnwise> ubuntu
[00:51] <nevodka> Am I SOL for color emojis on 16.04 LTS?
[00:52] <nevodka> I've done it on Arch with the fonts-noto-color-emoji package, but I see it offered for 18.04 LTS and not 16.04
[00:54] <nevodka> pls help ;-;
[00:55] <pnwise> nevodka, try installing fonts-symbola
[00:55] <pnwise> ze internet says there is no color for this one
[00:56] <pnwise> can you upgrade to 18.04?
[00:57] <nevodka> This is my work environment and I cannot
[00:57] <nevodka> :/
[00:57] <nevodka> I suppose I can live without color emojis, but what kind of life will that be
[00:59] <pnwise> I dunno man, probably very hard
[00:59] <pnwise> and pointless
[00:59] <pnwise> you might as well just kill yourself without the emojis
[01:00] <pnwise> Or if you are brave enough watch the movie
[01:00] <nevodka> I'll just coerce my boss into upgrading everyone to 18.04 and nobody will find out it was so I could have color emojis
[01:00] <guiverc> nevodka, I don't see any dependencies to create issue, why not wget & dpkg -i?  https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/fonts-noto-color-emoji
[01:04] <nevodka> This breaks my emojis ;-;
[01:05] <ryuo> nevodka: you can install fonts in a user local directory. that's your best option.
[01:19] <pragmaticenigma> nevodka: ryuo: Full color emoji's are not a limitation or need of a specific font. The software used to render the font's must be able to interpret the color codes within the font definition. That piece of software is not available in 16.04. It was added in 18.04
[01:20] <nevodka> f
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> That is why Full color emoji's was listed in the release notes as a new feature of 18.04
[01:22] <nevodka> back to plan b
[01:22] <nevodka> convince entire dev team we need to switch to 18.04
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> nevodka: best of luck
[01:34] <nevodka> I have another problem, c'est la vie. Starting google-chrome-stable in terminal just hangs, no stdout/stderr, the processes all start, except no X window appears.
[01:35] <nevodka> Purging and reinstalling does nothing. Deleting ~/.config/google-chrome fixes it, until I close chrome.. same issue upon reopening.
[01:35] <nevodka> I recall having this issue a few years ago but can't recall the solution. Something to do with locks or caches maybe. ( :   _ :)
[01:37] <OerHeks> that is a serious issue .. why start chrome browser from tty?
[01:38] <nevodka> Force of habit?
[01:38] <nevodka> It's just aliased to google-chrome-stable &> /dev/null &
[01:38] <nevodka> (Obviously I am running it without redirecting stdout/stderr while I am trying to debug)
[01:40] <leftyfb> nevodka: does it work opening it from an icon/menu?
[01:40] <nevodka> Nope.
[01:41] <OerHeks> maybe there is an update waiting?
[01:41] <nevodka> Nothing in journalctl either.
[01:42] <nevodka> Followed the official install instructions. https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/google_chrome?dist=stable
[01:42] <leftyfb> nevodka: journalctl is for services. Not really a desktop application
[01:42] <nevodka> Oh, right.
[01:43] <leftyfb> nevodka: are you signed into your google account in chrome?
[01:43] <nevodka> It may be a bad extension running, I'll try to isolate them.
[01:43] <nevodka> Yeah.
[01:43] <leftyfb> that's what I'm thinking
[01:43] <mouses> bad extensions will get you every time
[01:43] <leftyfb> nevodka: see if it runs for a while without being signed in
[01:44] <leftyfb> nevodka: if so, then it will be a game of trial and error tracking down which addon is causing it
[01:44] <OerHeks> pkill google-chrome
[01:44] <nevodka> Yep..
[01:47] <nevodka> Oof.. disabling all extensions and it didn't help. Turned off sync entirely and didn't log in and it works.
[01:48] <leftyfb> extentions, plugins, themes
[01:49] <mouses> might just want to purge all chrome settings
[02:00] <nevodka> aaaaaaaaaa
[02:01] <nevodka> I wiped everything from my chrome sync
[02:01] <nevodka> It seems just being logged in prevents chrome from opening again
[02:01] <nevodka> :|
[02:01] <leftyfb> there's got to be something particular about your account
[02:03] <qwebirc37662> May I ask for assistance?  I did a software update using the updater and now my encrypted drive won't recognize my password.
[02:04] <nevodka> If I leave chrome sync off it works
[02:04] <qwebirc37662> I'm a noob, but was able to get my system started again using the usb however I still can't access my encrypted files.
[02:05] <nevodka> Despite wiping everything in the google chrome section under sync
[02:20] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: is this ecryptfs ('encrypt home dire4ctory' option on installer) file system encryption of dmcrypt-luks full disk encryption ('encrypt disks' option on installer)?
[02:20] <tomreyn> if it's the latter and you'll still be around in 45 minutes (and nobody helped you until then), i'll help.
[02:22] <qwebirc37662> oh, Lordy.  I have no idea.  I'm a real noob.  It's a laptop with 18.04 installed.  I can see the encrypted drive
[02:23] <qwebirc37662> OH!  Yes, I believe so, actually.  I encrypted it when I upgraded to 18.04 from 16.04.
[02:29] <guiverc> qwebirc37662, how did you upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?  via `do-release-upgrade`  (which I cannot see changing your system from unencrypted to encrypted) or a re-install from media?
[02:31] <qwebirc37662> I think I reinstalled it.
[02:35] <qwebirc37662> I had been able to get into everything up and including Friday night.  I did a software update using the updater and on Saturday morning my passphrase wasn't recognized.
[02:36] <qwebirc37662> I tried searching the problem out on the forums and some mentioned going back to an earlier kernel, so I did try that but I still got sent into the busy box.
[02:37] <qwebirc37662> I don't know how to change kernels manually.
[02:37] <qwebirc37662> I used the options screen.
[02:37] <qwebirc37662> (does that make sense?)
[02:37] <qwebirc37662> I'm really new with linux.
[02:37] <guiverc> qwebirc37662, sorry I can't help; not good enough at encryption; i've had an issue with prior do-release-upgrade where a package was needed but it's not your issue.  (select another kernel at grub screen when it boots)
[02:38] <qwebirc37662> thank you.
[02:50] <klab> help needed: I just edited a script in /etc/init.d/, but when I restart the service it keeps reverting to the old version. How do I update systemd to use the modified script?
[02:51] <klab> none of the stuff I found on google works
[02:52] <guiverc> klab, what script did you amend, and what release of Ubuntu?
[02:53] <klab> ubuntu 18.04, it's a little embarassing, but I changed the user field in transmission-daemon
[02:55] <guiverc> klab, have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TransmissionHowTo - it refers to conditions which will cause scripts to be overwritten, and places to amend .. (I don't know it sorry)
[02:56] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: i'm back, reading what you wrote now.
[02:57] <nondescript> Question: Ubuntu Cinnamon, high rez screen -> really tiny icons / menu. Figured how to increase text size, but everything else still tiny. Please advise.
[02:57] <amosbird> hi, does "guioptions: s" ring any bell?
[02:57] <OerHeks> editting the transmission-deamon.service file .. https://askubuntu.com/a/861516
[03:00] <klab> OerHeks: you were sent by Zeus himself, thank you kind sir. I guess /etc/init.d is obsolete
[03:00] <qwebirc37662> did I explain it so it's understandable?  I'm guessing at some of. the stuff I'm doing (while I'm doing it!)
[03:03] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: yes, you did fine. to switch between installed kernel (you can have several versions installed side by side), you need to bring up the grub menu before you boot, so after powering on / rebooting.
[03:03] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: you need to either hold down the shift key or repeatedly press the escape key at this time to bring it up.
[03:04] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: once there, you select "Advanced options for Ubuntu", and then you can see the full list of kernels installed and select which one to boot.
[03:04] <qwebirc37662> ok, hold on a moment, please.  I've got to change my bios back to boot from the computer rather than the usb.
[03:04] <tomreyn> grub main menu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=grub2_default_menu.png
[03:05] <qwebirc37662> I only have 4 listed.  a kernel 46, a kernel 46-generic, kernel 45, and a kernel 45-generic.
[03:05] <tomreyn> all of them should say "generic", but just every secind should say "recovery mode"
[03:05] <qwebirc37662> I figured 46 was the most recent, so I tried 45-generic (I read to do that in one of the forums, I think.)
[03:08] <qwebirc37662> ah.  Ok, I have 4.15.0-46-generic (same thing w/ (recovery mode) and 4.15.0-45-generic (and again, the same w/ recovery mode).
[03:08] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: in case you end up in busybox again, please type: echo $REASON
[03:08] <tomreyn> ....and tell us what the output is, if any.
[03:09] <qwebirc37662> shall I try recovery mode for the 45?
[03:09] <tomreyn> what happened when you tried 45 non-recovery?
[03:10] <tomreyn> or did you not try it, yet?
[03:10] <qwebirc37662> one thing I do notice is that when I get the errors it wants to unlock sdb5_crypt.  I think the usb showed the file as sda5_crypt.
[03:11] <qwebirc37662> I tried it. I'm on a black screen w/ really BIG font.
[03:11] <qwebirc37662> I get error messages telling me:  "failed to connect to lvmetad.  falling back to device scanning.
[03:12] <tomreyn> this message is normal
[03:12] <qwebirc37662> volume group "ubuntu-vg" not found.
[03:12] <qwebirc37662> cannot process volume group ubuntu-vg
[03:12] <tomreyn> also what you pointed out you noticed above can be normal, disk identifiers can change depending on how you boot (off internal disk or usb)
[03:13] <qwebirc37662> then it asks me to unlock the computer.  and when I put my pass word in I'm told no key available with this passphrase.
[03:13] <tomreyn> is the volume group message before or after password prompt, or is there noe?
[03:13] <tomreyn> ok
[03:14] <tomreyn> hmm this really suggests it's the wrong passphrase, or the keyboard is configured differently than it used to be.
[03:15] <qwebirc37662> it went to "sleep for 60 seconds" says done.  begin running /scripts/local-premount... Waiting for suspend/resume device.  and is again requesting my passphrase.
[03:15] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: you did not receive this disk unlocking prompt when booting into the newer kernel, or did you?
[03:15] <qwebirc37662> I did.
[03:16] <qwebirc37662> then it would send me to (I may not be remembering this right but...)(imitrams)?
[03:16] <qwebirc37662> this one hasn't done that yet.
[03:16] <tomreyn> were you able to unlock the storage from the live usb?
[03:17] <qwebirc37662> no.
[03:17] <qwebirc37662> ;(
[03:17] <tomreyn> what was the issue then?
[03:18] <qwebirc37662> I'm afraid I don't remember the exact response.  It asked for my password, I entered it and it said something along the lines operation was cancelled.  hold on.  I"ll do it again.
[03:19] <tomreyn> ok
[03:21] <qwebirc37662> silly question while I'm waiting on this machine.  what is flip_done timed out?
[03:22] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with this message
[03:22] <qwebirc37662> oh.  I have a lot of them.  lol.
[03:23] <qwebirc37662> but it's a really old laptop.  I upgraded the hard drive to a terabyte but that didn't seem to help much.
[03:23] <qwebirc37662> it's just a bit slow.
[03:24] <tomreyn> apparently "flip_done timed out" was a bug on intel graphics processing units, but it was assumed to have since been fixed from what i can find.
[03:25] <Arash_> Hi
[03:26] <qwebirc37662> oh!  I remember that.  that was a couple of years ago.
[03:26] <Arash_> I want to make a Windows USB bootable thumbdrive, how can I do that?
[03:26] <Arash_> I tried diskmanager thing several times it failed again and again and again
[03:27] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1398424 suggests it may be possible to work around the flip_done issue by setting (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters describes how) the following kernel parameter: video=SVIDEO-1:d
[03:27] <qwebirc37662> sorry for the delay.
[03:28] <qwebirc37662> ok, It's back.
[03:29] <tomreyn> Arash_: there is a utility called "woeusb" which should be able to create a windows installation usb from an ISO file, on ubuntu.
[03:29] <qwebirc37662> when I enter the passphrase, it says:  unable to access location.  error unlocking /dev/sda5:  failed to activate device:  operation not permitted.
[03:29] <Arash_> That gives me an irrelevant error
[03:29] <Arash_> Even though the USB stick is NTFS is says I cannot install on Fat32 :/
[03:33] <qwebirc37662> I've checked the keyboard layout and it's US English.
[03:34] <tomreyn> i got disconnected off the chat, this is the last i read / wrote: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X9nJr9BCrx/
[03:35] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: i assume the reason you can't boot normally is actually that you have - in addition to the actual encrypted disk - an encrypted swap partition and the system is trying to decrypt it, but it was encrypted with a random key which you cannot know.
[03:35] <qwebirc37662> oh!  but it's not exactly like my keyboard.  the keyboard layout shown has a number pad which mine doesn't.
[03:36] <qwebirc37662> oh, dear.
[03:36] <RonWhoCares> The file manager in Ubuntu 18.04 keeps prompting me to enter a user name and password for an NAS device.  I've been repeatedly clicking the 'remember' option.  This hasn't worked.  Is there a way to get it to remember?
[03:37] <qwebirc37662> oh.  sorry, yes, I have internet access
[03:38] <qwebirc37662> I've got the terminal up.
[03:38] <Arash_> Ahh damn
[03:38] <Arash_> Nothing works
[03:45] <Arash_> I see why now
[03:45] <Arash_> Ubuntu is installed on Fat32 so the file won't read into the application
[03:45] <Arash_> An external harddrive for iso file does the job
[03:47] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: looks like my isp is doing maintenance tonight, i missed anything since you said "oh dear"
[03:47] <Arash_> Error: File "/media/woeusb_source_1553572061_6510/sources/install.wim" in source image has exceed the FAT32 Filesystem 4GiB Single File Size Limitation and cannot be installed.  You must specify a different --target-filesystem. Refer: https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB/wiki/Limitations#fat32-filesystem-4gib-single-file-size-limitation for more info. Unmounting and removing "/media/woeusb_source_1553572061_6510"...
[03:48] <qwebirc37662> oh, I do have internet access and had my terminal up but the computer froze up on me.  I'm rebooting it now.
[03:48] <tomreyn> ok
[03:49] <qwebirc37662> you shouldn't have said anything about your isp. I thought you were out saving the internet.  :)
[03:49] <tomreyn> Arash_: you should first delete the partition table on the usb stick (thus also deleting any data stored on it), and point woeusb against the raw device with --target-filesystem ntfs
[03:50] <Arash_> ok wait
[03:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: i switched to another one now, should be more stable
[03:56] <qwebirc37662> alright, the computer is once again connected to the internet and my terminal is up.
[03:56] <qwebirc37662> sorry about the long pauses.
[03:57] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: no problem, but does it always take so long to boot off usb? type this: sudo lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:57] <tomreyn> post the url then
[03:58] <qwebirc37662> https://termbin.com/iifr
[03:58] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: so this is a 4 GB USB stick?
[03:58] <qwebirc37662> might be 8 gb.
[03:59] <Arash_> Thanks its now installing via terminal
[03:59] <Arash_> Thank you so much
[03:59] <qwebirc37662> I know it doesn't have a lot of space.  I have a few smaller ones and then one that is 356, I think.
[03:59] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: i assume sda5 is your encrypted partition, sda1 is /boot
[03:59] <qwebirc37662> yes.
[04:00] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: the usb size is frine, just trying to tell things apart
[04:00] <qwebirc37662> are you looking at stuff?
[04:00] <qwebirc37662> cool.
[04:00] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 sda5_crypt
[04:01] <tomreyn> and tell me what it says
[04:02] <qwebirc37662> asks for the pass phrase.  I enter it and it tells me no key availabl
[04:02] <qwebirc37662> with this pass phrase.
[04:02] <qwebirc37662> then prompts me to reenter it.
[04:02] <tomreyn> try a few times
[04:03] <qwebirc37662> this is the passphrase for the encryption and not the second (user) password, correct?
[04:03] <tomreyn> try typing the same passphrase in another terminal window and see if it comes out as expected
[04:03] <tomreyn> correct
[04:03] <qwebirc37662> yes, it's the one I use.
[04:04] <tomreyn> try entering it again
[04:04] <qwebirc37662> ok, it continued telling me no key and has now brought me back to ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:05] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version is this installer usb exactly, do you know?
[04:05] <qwebirc37662> 18.04.2
[04:05] <tomreyn> does "lsb_release -ds" confirm this?
[04:05] <qwebirc37662> I just loaded it this evening.
[04:06] <qwebirc37662> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[04:06] <tomreyn> and your on-disk installation is 18.04, too, right?
[04:06] <qwebirc37662> yes.  18.04 LTS
[04:07] <qwebirc37662> not sure which version of it though.
[04:08] <qwebirc37662> but this all happened when I used the software updater on Friday night, so I'm assuming it updated to the most current version.?
[04:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: yes, it must have. but i think that something else must have happened. are you sure you told me everything? you didn't play with any partitioing tools lately?
[04:11] <qwebirc37662> no.  I don't understand portioning, so I wouldn't touch that.
[04:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: okay, what's the output of: sudo file -s /dev/sda5 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:11] <qwebirc37662> I'm willing to take some chances but only ones I think are safe (or that I have some understanding of.)
[04:12] <tomreyn> cool, you seem entirely reasonable. there are other people who come here for support and would try not to mention such 'unimportant' things, so i had to ask.
[04:12] <qwebirc37662> https://termbin.com/y2bb
[04:13] <qwebirc37662> well, before I do anything really silly (which I have!), I always do a back up.  haven't done one now in about 2 months and it was on my mind but hey, who has time for that?
[04:13] <qwebirc37662> ugh.
[04:14] <qwebirc37662> I should have done it (and in the future will) before any more updating!
[04:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: do you have an english language keyboard there?
[04:14] <qwebirc37662> yes.  English (US)
[04:14] <tomreyn> you may have to restore thisold backup, i'm out of ideas now.
[04:14] <qwebirc37662> the only difference between what they show me and mine is a number pad on the side.
[04:15] <qwebirc37662> I'll lose some of my files, won't I?
[04:15] <tomreyn> thats because its a laptop
[04:15] <qwebirc37662> oh, dear.
[04:15] <tomreyn> let me review some of what you wrote earlier quickly.
[04:16] <qwebirc37662> I sort of figured.  the laptop keyboard does have a number pad on the keys but I've never used it.  ok.
[04:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: right, that's just to save some space.
[04:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc37662: i have one more idea of what we can look at:
[04:19] <tomreyn> !mart | qwebirc37662
[04:19] <tomreyn> !smart | qwebirc37662
[04:20] <tomreyn> can you please run: sudo apt-get -qqy update; sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends smartmontools
[04:21] <tomreyn> then, unless there were errors above:   sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:21] <qwebirc37662> oh, dear.  I clicked on the link and typed in the first sudo thing.  told yes, install.  should I have not done that?
[04:22] <tomreyn> this is to ensure the disk is still physically in good condition
[04:22] <tomreyn> yes, you should have installe,d that was fine
[04:22] <tomreyn> you're only changing the live usb overlay, which is all in ram, anyways, though
[04:23] <qwebirc37662> oh.  I just killed that.  I'll be a bit more patient.  should I type in sudo apt-get -qqy (etc) first?
[04:24] <tomreyn> you can copy and paste this as is: sudo apt-get -y update; sudo apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends smartmontools
[04:24] <qwebirc37662> oh, I'm using 2 different computers.  mine and my godson's apple laptop.
[04:25] <tomreyn> you can spawn another webbrowser and connect here on the computer we are inspecting then.
[04:25] <tomreyn> https://webchat.freenode.net
[04:26] <qwebirc37662> ah, you just way above my head.  :)
[04:26] <qwebirc37662> spawn?
[04:27] <tomreyn> i'm suggesting that you start a web browser on the computer you are trying to fix, and currently running the live usb system on.
[04:27] <tomreyn> then on this web browser, type    https://webchat.freenode.net    into the address bar and press enter
[04:28] <tomreyn> then make it join the "#ubuntu" (no quotation marks) channel using a unique nickname of your choice.
[04:28] <tomreyn> this way you will be able to copy commands form the chat directly to the temrinal
[04:28] <Lorraine_> Hi, Tom.  This is qwebirc37662.
[04:28] <tomreyn> hi
[04:28] <Lorraine_> I'm on the "broken" laptop now.
[04:29] <tomreyn> ok
 you can copy and paste this as is: sudo apt-get -y update; sudo apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends smartmontools
 then, unless there were errors above:   sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:30] <Lorraine_> no, everything appearred to go in well.
[04:30] <Lorraine_> let me try the next one.
[04:30] <tomreyn> keep in mind you can also copy and paste the url form the temrinal to the chat now
[04:31] <Lorraine_> https://termbin.com/u3z4
[04:31] <tomreyn> a bit less typing
[04:31] <Lorraine_> I did.
[04:31] <tomreyn> hmm something didnt work on the first command line. can you look for errors again?
[04:34] <Lorraine_> I'm getting pretty much the same problem.  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, 189 not updated.
[04:35] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: okay, that's not a problem.
[04:35] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: let's do it again, and capture the output:
[04:36] <Lorraine_> oh!  It's saying:  Ign:1 cdrom://  etc.  is it trying to update the usb?
[04:36] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: that's oky, too
[04:37] <Lorraine_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get -y update Ign:1 cdrom://Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS _Bionic Beaver_ - Release amd64 (20190210) bionic InRelease Hit:2 cdrom://Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS _Bionic Beaver_ - Release amd64 (20190210) bionic Release Hit:3 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease               Hit:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease                         Hit:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-update
[04:38] <Lorraine_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install -y Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 189 not upgraded.
[04:38] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: sudo /bin/true && sudo apt-get -y update &> /tmp/apt1 && sudo apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends smartmontools &> /tmp/apt2; nc termbin.com 9999 < /tmp/apt{1,2}
[04:40] <Lorraine_> mmm... I just cut and pasted that whole thing;  should I have broken it somewhere?  the response is:
[04:40] <Lorraine_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo /bin/true && sudo apt-get -y update &> /tmp/apt1 && sudo apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends smartmontools &> /tmp/apt2; nc termbin.com 9999 < /tmp/apt{1,2} bash: /tmp/apt{1,2}: ambiguous redirect
<font color="#8AE234"><b>ubuntu@ubuntu</b></font>:<font color="#729FCF"><b>~</b></font>$ sudo /bin/true &amp;&amp; sudo apt-get -y update &amp;&gt; /tmp/apt1 &amp;&amp; sudo apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends smartmontools &amp;&gt; /tmp/apt2; nc termbin.com 9999 &lt; /tmp/apt{1,2} bash: /tmp/apt{1,2}: ambiguous redirect </pre>
[04:40] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: my bad. please run this now:  cat /tmp/apt{1,2} | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:40] <Lorraine_> oops. nm.
[04:41] <Lorraine_> https://termbin.com/0xfw
[04:41] <tomreyn> !pastebin | and for the future, Lorraine_, please
[04:42] <Lorraine_> my apologies.
[04:42] <tomreyn> okay this looks good, now the second command again:  sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:42] <Lorraine_> https://termbin.com/gw1y
[04:46] <tomreyn> so according to this, your laptop hard disk, a "HGST Travelstar 7K1000", has been running for a total of 4698 hours, and has seen 993 reboots. it's now running at 29 °C, which is fine. and it doesn't look like it's dying anytime soon.
[04:46] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: ^
[04:46] <tomreyn> i suspected disk corruption might be a reason why your decryption passphrase is not accepted.
[04:46] <tomreyn> but this really brings us to the point where i have no ideas left
[04:46] <Lorraine_> I replaced the hard disk (and fan) this past summer.
[04:47] <nara> Hello all, I've integrated Google Breakpad with my Qt application to analyse crash. I've configured and the dump file is created and the crash symbols are exported to a txt file. I would like to know how to use this text file to analyse the crash. Any help is highly appreciated.
[04:47] <Lorraine_> well, I do appreciate your help.  Thank you so much for your time and patience with me.
[04:47] <Lorraine_> so, I lose a few files.  I'll have a clean computer with a new install.
[04:48] <Lorraine_> thank you so much.
[04:48] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: you're welcome, i'm just sorry i have no idea how to help you now. :-/ maybe ask again later, see if someone else has another idea.
[04:49] <Lorraine_> I may try that again tomorrow.  It's late and I need to get some sleep now.  have a good evening.
[04:50] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: the relevant facts we know are that when booting normally from hdd you first get the disk decryption prompt, where you enter your passphrase, and the systemresponds that no such passphrase is known, then the system says it will sleep for one minute, which it does, and then asks you for another passphrase, supposedly that of an encrypted swap (based on the accompanying messages about "resume" you quoted).
[04:51] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: the other relevant fact is that an attempt to mount the encrypted partition from an 18.04.2 live usb also shhowed the passphrase prompt, and your passpharse was again not accepted there.
[04:52] <tomreyn> Lorraine_: good luck.
[05:15] <Assid> heya
[05:33] <gnomethrower> hi guys, running ubuntu 18.04 server on VirtualBox. Works great - first interface works out of the box incl. dhcp. Second interface is having issues though - I have to manually ifup+dhclient it to get it working. I've been googling to no avail as to how to have that interface come up automatically on boot.
[05:33] <gnomethrower> if anyone has some suggestions or can google better than I can that would be awesome :)
[05:35] <aarobc> host is what
[05:36] <aarobc> gnomethrower: vbox is notorious for networking issues.
[05:37] <mephistophelus> anyone here?
[05:38] <gnomethrower> aarobc : I'm not sure it's a vbox issue though
[05:38] <gnomethrower> as I can see that interface and it works fine, it's just not enabled on boot
[05:38] <aarobc> that's bizare.
[05:39] <aarobc> windows host?
[05:39] <gnomethrower> macOS 10.14.3
[05:41] <gnomethrower> aarobc: I managed to solve it.
[05:41] <aarobc> what was it?
[05:41] <gnomethrower> I'm still not sure.
[05:42] <gnomethrower> per https://www.redpill-linpro.com/techblog/2016/08/17/systemd-network.html I created /etc/systemd/network/extra.network
[05:42] <gnomethrower> and set match on the name of the iface and dhcp=both
[05:42] <gnomethrower> didn't bother with routemetric. now it works on boot
[05:42] <gnomethrower> I'm not thrilled as I think there is probably more elegant ways to do this but it solved my issue for now and this is just a test lab so it isn't hugely important :)
[05:43] <gnomethrower> I have three VMs on a NAT network, then I needed a second interface to allow me to SSH in to one of the VMs
[05:43] <aarobc> neat
[05:43] <aarobc> also, use docker
[05:43] <gnomethrower> I really don't want to
[05:44] <aarobc> it makes all of this mess soooo much easier
[05:44] <gnomethrower> I need "real" machines. I'm creating a Ceph lab and a Lustre lab and I want it to be closer to reality than Docker is.
[05:44] <aarobc> indeed
[05:44] <gnomethrower> I understand the draw of Docker and Kubernetes but for my use case they are not appropriate
[05:44] <gnomethrower> otherwise I'd be using them for sure ;)
[05:44] <gnomethrower> anyways thanks for the help/sounding board
[05:44] <aarobc> I do my best being a rubber duck
[05:44] <NorthwestVegan> i use a virtual netowrk for my VM net
[05:45] <NorthwestVegan> and run openwrt on one of the vms to be the router
[05:45] <NorthwestVegan> then 2 nics on the virtual router, with firewall rules to not allow access to my hardware net
[06:06] <jamesrc> #has anyone perhaps got mysql 8 working with php 7 on ubuntu 18?
[06:15] <jamesrc> has anyone perhaps got mysql 8 working with php 7 on ubuntu 18?
[06:24] <aaaa> hi
[06:40] <jamesrc> has anyone got mysql 8 working with php 7.3 on ubuntu 18?
[06:43] <aaaa> hi
[06:43] <jamesrc> hello
[06:43] <aaaa> hello
[06:43] <jack_rip_vim> hello
[06:44] <aaaa> hi jame
[06:44] <aaaa> hi jack
[06:44] <jack_rip_vim> hi aaaa
[06:44] <jack_rip_vim> hi jamesrc
[06:44] <jamesrc> hi aaaa
[06:44] <jamesrc> hi jack
[06:44] <jack_rip_vim> hello #ubuntu
[06:45] <jack_rip_vim> actually, I didn't use ubuntu for a long time.
[06:45] <aaaa> i use it
[06:45] <jamesrc> see jack i likje ubuntu but they really need to push mysql 8
[06:46] <jack_rip_vim> jamesrc: what happen when you are using mysql?
[06:47] <jack_rip_vim> mysql 8 is ready to come out?
[06:48] <jack_rip_vim> oh no...
[06:48] <jamesrc> jack, i can use mysql 5.7 fine, but 8 has more security that is starting to work with php but its very hard to obtain on ubuntu (ive tried to follow guids but it pukes)
[06:49] <jack_rip_vim> jamesrc: which verisons is your ubuntu? I may try it
[06:49] <jamesrc> 18.04
[06:50] <jack_rip_vim> jamesrc: OK, I will install ubuntu 18.04, and try mysql 8 in it.
[06:51] <jamesrc> okay
[06:52] <jack_rip_vim> I think I didn't watch those release news for a long time.
[06:53] <jamesrc> oh?
[06:53] <jack_rip_vim> yeah
[06:53] <jack_rip_vim> I didn't search internet for a long time
[06:55] <jamesrc> well keep my updated if you get it working
[06:55] <jack_rip_vim> jamesrc: OK, if it works, I will tell you
[07:08] <qwebirc12999> Would anyone be able to assist on the topic of installing a commercial application on Ubuntu and its legality?
[07:09] <jamesrc> do you own the software?
[07:09] <qwebirc12999> It's is software I wrote for the company is work for
[07:10] <qwebirc12999> The software sits on top of a minimal 18.04 instal
[07:10] <jamesrc> you should be fine to install it, ubuntu is open source
[07:11] <guiverc> qwebirc12999, sits on top of, do you mean you want to distribute Ubuntu 18.04 (minimal) with it?  that's different to installing on top of where Ubuntu was self-obtained
[07:12] <qwebirc12999> The company I'm employed by are concerned wether it's legal under canonicals licensing terms to be able to ship a PC to the customer with the Binary I created
[07:12] <jamesrc> if say you can distribute the software but ubuntu may be a bit iffy
[07:13] <guiverc> shipping a pc with the binary is not an issue.  If you want to ship with Ubuntu + the binary you you created & charge for it, I'd suggest you speak with Canonical legal.
[07:13] <guiverc> https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms
[07:13] <qwebirc12999> We'd prefer that we install the minimal 18.04 as well as the the daemon I wrote
[07:14] <guiverc> qwebirc12999, this is Ubuntu community support, you need to talk with the company Canonical legal in my opinion, unless you want to be at risk of being sued.
[07:16] <qwebirc12999> Quebec, I'd have thought it would be a fairly standard query
[07:16] <guiverc> yes I've seen it before, but I've recommended it go to Canonical (company who own Ubuntu), as we are Ubuntu users for the most part, not related to the company Canonical.
[07:17] <qwebirc12999> Ah, i see. Ok thanks for the pointers
[07:28] <mephistophelus> how to register on freenode?
[07:28] <Mikaela-> Hi, is it possible to get a newer systemd on 18.04 or is the only way to upgrade to 18.10? I am after systemd-resolved's DNSOverTLS support which doesn't seem to exist in 18.04.
[07:31] <mohnish> I've finally installed Xubuntu on my USB drive
[07:36] <Guest92602> !rules
[07:37] <mohnish> Guest92602: Me?
[07:38] <mohnish> Guest92602: You referring to me?
[07:40] <guiverc> Mikaela-, I suspect if you were able to get systemd onto Ubuntu 18.04, your system would have loads of 18.10 packages on it which will EOL in a few months leaving you open to security risks; so 18.10 would be safer (then upgrade to 19.04 etc)
[07:42] <guiverc> ^ s/systemd/a later systemd/    (sorry distracted mind)
[07:50] <Assid> so im tring to install ubuntu  server on a virtualbox, but it requires EFI to be enabled ???
[07:56] <gnomethrower> having trouble setting my hostname in Ubuntu 18.04 on VirtualBox. I change it with hostnamectl and ensure /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname refers to the new name, but as soon as I reboot the old name comes back.
[07:57] <guiverc> gnomethrower, you've install Ubuntu, and not just running it as a 'live' environment in vbox?
[07:57] <gnomethrower> guiverc, yep, installed it.
[08:00] <gnomethrower> I had to set preserve_hostname: true in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[08:00] <gnomethrower> not sure where it was getting the old hostname from though
[08:18] <kubkde> msg nickserv identify kubkde turntable
[08:18] <kubkde> shit
[08:18] <kubkde> hmm
[08:18] <kubkde> heh it doesnt work
[08:20] <guiverc> kubkde, please watch language, and the command is /msg
[08:20] <kubkde> My apologies. I've been trying to get it for a couple days now, is there a way to reset it?
[08:20] <guiverc> also I just noted your command - I suggest changing your ..
[08:21] <kubkde> It was on my screen, I thought I might as well try it....no worries, but thank you for the heads up
[08:24] <Mikaela-> <guiverc "Mikaela-, I suspect if you were "> Thanks, I will think about it and possibly just go with dnscrypt-proxy or stubby which seem more secure for now.
[08:29] <kubkde> Sorry unrelated to Ubuntu, is there any way to query my own email?
[08:35] <bao> Er, I'll do this in an empty server...any of you try Mesa-3D 19.0 yet?
[08:35] <muhaha> I am trying to extract docs folder from archive to tmp, but seems that I am missing something: curl -sSL https://github.com/ziahamza/webui-aria2/archive/fb9d758d5cdc2be0867ee9502c44fd17560f5d24.tar.gz | tar xvzf -C /tmp --strip-components=1 docs
[08:38] <blackflow> muhaha: so what exactly is your question?
[08:38] <blackflow> baoday: that sounds like a question for #ubuntu-discuss
[08:38] <muhaha> how to extract docs folder to /tmp from this specific archive
[08:41] <lido> muhaha
[08:41] <lido> and you want only the docs ?
[08:41] <muhaha> yes, with oneliner
[08:42] <blackflow> muhaha: you're missing the argument for -f  in this case  it must be    -     as you're supplying the archive on stdin
[08:43] <muhaha> ?
[08:43] <blackflow> muhaha: which part you have problem understanding?
[08:45] <muhaha> even this curl -sSL https://github.com/ziahamza/webui-aria2/archive/fb9d758d5cdc2be0867ee9502c44fd17560f5d24.tar.gz | tar xvzf - -C /tmp --strip-components=1 docs  .... nor this curl -sSL https://github.com/ziahamza/webui-aria2/archive/fb9d758d5cdc2be0867ee9502c44fd17560f5d24.tar.gz | tar xvz -C /tmp --strip-components=1 docs is not working
[08:47] <blackflow> muhaha: I guess that's the problem of that specific tarball. syntactically, your tar call is correct (assuming --strip-components is what you need). perhaps first download that tarball, examine it with tar -tz   and see what you really want out of it
[08:47] <lido> muhaha : wget -qO- https://github.com/ziahamza/webui-aria2/archive/fb9d758d5cdc2be0867ee9502c44fd17560f5d24.tar.gz | tar xvzf - -C /tmp --strip-components=1
[08:48] <lido> what blackflow said with -
[08:48] <muhaha> I exaclty know what I want, strip first directory inside tar and then extract docs subfolder to /tmp
[08:49] <lido> but how to explicit extract only docs check tar manual
[08:49] <blackflow> muhaha: I don't think you do know what you want. that command is syntactically correct assuming you want those options. Anything else is offtopic here, so please move on.
[08:51] <blackflow> muhaha: btw --strip-components won't affect the position of "doc" in the archive. so if that's actually "somedir/doc" then you have to supply the full path inside the archive
[08:51] <muhaha> Ah, thats the problem.
[08:52] <muhaha> "somedir" will be in earch commit different, so I need something universal, like "*/docs", but * wont work in tar
[08:53] <blackflow> muhaha: see if -K helps
[08:53] <scheuri> hello all, sorry for bothering: I have an apache with named based hosting (about 20 subdomains, but not its hostname) - now a proxy is requesting data from this apache httpd using its hostname - the request is received on tcp level, but by what criteria is apache now choosing what vhost to use? (as the host header conists of an unknown host)?
[08:54] <blackflow> muhaha: also tar can do include/exclude patterns, I don't know if that works for extraction as well, so try that too
[08:56] <blackflow> scheuri: your question is not clear, but if I understand you correctly, then apache needs to have a vhost configured for the exactly the same name as given in the "Host" header of the request.
[08:57] <blackflow> scheuri: in other words, connecting to apache is orthogonal and independent of requesting for a hostname among vhosts configured, as that's done with the said Host header
[08:57] <lido> anyone friend with aws opsworks and ruby /
[08:58] <lido> I'm getting - Error executing action `create` on resource 'remote_file[/tmp/rubygems-2.2.2.tgz]'
[08:58] <lido> No such file or directory - /usr/local/bin/gem
[08:58] <scheuri> blackflow: thanks, yes..that is clear...but a request is not denied, just becuase there is no vhost mathing the host header...the question is: what vhost config does apache chose when a request comes in with the correct IP but host header of an unknown vhost name?
[08:58] <blackflow> lido: that's not relevant to Ubuntu
[08:58] <lido> blackflow where is ?
[08:58] <scheuri> blackflow: is it random or by alphabet?
[08:58] <blackflow> lido: whatever support channel or forum is for aws
[08:59] <blackflow> scheuri: not sure I understand what you're asking. can you pastebin an example?
[09:00] <scheuri> blackflow: sorry...don't have one.....I try again :) - there is a request to an apache server (IP: 1.1.1.1) from a client. The client is using a hostname/FQDN which is NOT configured on the apache (but the IP is correct meaning the apache receives the request nonetheless) - with what configuration does the apache answer this request as there is no directly mathing vhost config for that FQDN
[09:00] <catbeard> scheuri: the first vhost definition for that IP
[09:01] <scheuri> catbeard: ah, thanks....now, what is considere the "first" one :)....by filename in /site-enabled/? or by FQDN?
[09:01] <catbeard> the first one that gets loaded
[09:01] <muhaha> oki. Thanks
[09:02] <catbeard> you'll have to debug startup and figure out the order it loads in
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> !alis > lido
[09:02] <catbeard> or just visit it
[09:02] <scheuri> catbeard: thanks a lot....so its "random" until we actually debug it :)
[09:02] <catbeard> and see what loads
[09:02] <scheuri> catbeard: thanks for the help
[09:02] <scheuri> blackflow: thanks for your help, and sorry for being so unclear
[09:03] <catbeard> no it's the first vhost for that ip, otherwise iirc i think it's the server default vhost
[09:03] <blackflow> scheuri: oh, np :)
[09:03] <scheuri> blackflow: there is no "default" vhost per se...all of the sites are FQDN specific
[09:03] <blackflow> scheuri: I would think it's loaded alphabetically from the sites-enabled, so by proxy of that, the first loaded is first defined. Just guessing, my poison of choice is nginx.
[09:04] <catbeard> when i set up nginx, i put a "default vhost" that returns 444 (send RST packet and drop request) if there's not a vhost/ip exact match
[09:04] <blackflow> yeah, common practice
[09:04] <scheuri> blackflow: ah, I see :) that is fine...but now I have at least some sort of idea
[09:05] <scheuri> blackflow & catbeard : well, the config might be a little off "best practice" to be honest...but yes...default would it be if existant, that is for sure...but since it doesn't...its the first one
[09:05] <scheuri> thanks a lot agani!
[09:15] <pa> blackflow: and it happened again.
[09:15] <pa> i guess its pointless for me to say, since there's nothing to be done
[09:19] <lundmar> hmm, trying out pre-release 19.04, it seems grub no longer loads the correct modules to support usb keyboard input :/
[09:21] <blackflow> pa: what are you talking about?
[09:26] <blackflow> lundmar: you can discuss those issues better in #ubuntu+1. Suffice to say: a) it's a dev version (non-LTS), and b) not even released yet, so bugs are likely.
[09:27] <lundmar> blackflow: ok, thanks.
[09:30] <kubkde>  /join #ubuntu_kernel
[09:30] <kubkde> I'm not sure if this is the right server anymore
[09:32] <Tankburn1> hey just playing about with basic commands. I want to use the CLI to delete a whole bunch of .pdf in a folder except one that I want to keep. So I used pipes ad kinda got stuck.
[09:32] <Tankburn1> find *.pdf | grep -v filetokeep.pdf | what would I put here to remove the standard output?
[09:33] <Tankburn1> or would there be a smarter way to do it?
[09:33] <Tankburn1> sorry Im new, just trying to learn
[09:41] <ImamGace> A: winxows wont recognize my audio device
[09:43] <pa> blackflow: bloody 18.04 waking up unused, unmounted USB drives
[09:45] <blackflow> Tankburn1: `find *.pdf \! -name filetokeep.pdf -delete`  --- but that's a very dangerous command, no undo if you mess up.   Instead, try this:   `find *.pdf \! -name filetokeep.pdf -exec mv {} ~/tmpdir/ \;`    having previously created the ~/tmpdir/   and then when you're sure that's it, you can permanently remove tmpdir. or maybe you can mv to ~/.local/share/Trash/files/      but Trash also needs
[09:45] <blackflow> metadata so I'm not sure how manually placing files there would behave.
[09:46] <blackflow> pa: I vaguely remember you asking something about that. come again, you sure there's no smartmontools or some other daemon that would regularly check all detected drives?
[09:49] <pa> blackflow: i can show you what processes are running, just let me pull it from the log
[09:50] <pa> blackflow: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fed3c3a3/
[09:51] <blackflow> pa: /usr/sbin/smartd -n
[09:52] <pa> blackflow: ok, how do i kill it?
[09:52] <blackflow> pa: you've got smartmontools' daemon smartd running. that thing will wake up drives to ask for their SMART status. which was mentioned weeks ago when you first came with that problem and iirc you said you didn't have it running.
[09:52] <pa> like and not get it back
[09:52] <pa> blackflow: i thought i didnt
[09:52] <pa> if i want smart, i can interactively query the drive
[09:53] <pa> no need for that shit
[09:53] <blackflow> pa: for S in stop disable ; do systemctl ${S} smartd.service ; done
[09:53] <pa> thanks i try
[09:53] <Tankburn1> thanks blackflow
[09:55] <blackflow> pa: alternatively, adjust /etc/smartd.conf  to not touch the drives you don't want to.
[09:56] <pa> blackflow: im good with disabling it. I don't even know where those results are stored or how they are used, anyway
[09:57] <blackflow> pa: it has the ability (and I think that's the configured default?)  to email you when it detects problems via SMART
[09:58] <pa> ha
[09:58] <blackflow> that's why it pulls in halfa mailing suite unless you --no-install-recommend
[10:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:27] <isenner> hi guys, im trying to Modify PATH for my user only. Running Gnome & Wayland I tried to use environment.d. However I'm not able to override/modify an existing variable. Anyone using environment.d
[10:35] <amcsi> is it possible to find out how a script started running, like with cron or init or something?
[10:36] <root__> xchat
[10:47] <isenner> no one using wayland here and/or environment.d ?
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> isenner: best way to get your issue solved is re-ask once in a while all in one line
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> isenner: handy details are also ubuntu version, kernel, etc
[10:49] <isenner> I'd be happy to see anyone successfully using wayland and specifing a per user environment variable regardless of ubuntu version. I can't find anything online either
[10:50] <isenner> s/environment/PATH/
[11:04] <van777> Hey all! I've been asking here how do i change the default screenshot name pattern, as it has spaces, - not good for own hosting and sharing. I solved it with "scrot -b '%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S.png'" with some more scripting and placing the "shortcut" to it with "Top bar script executor" gnome shell extension. It rocks!
[11:05] <filifunky> Hi
[11:33] <Assid> hi
[11:34] <Assid> so i plan to use respin to make a installable iso for a  preconfigured system with application etc..
[11:34] <Assid> question is.. will it take into account the new hardware
[11:35] <hym> hello ?
[12:04] <filifunky> can anyone here help me with mysql?
[12:04] <aqd> just tell your problem
[12:08] <filifunky> aqd, I used to have a bunch of stuff in mysql, tables with a bunch of entries.  Now when I log into mysql it isn't there.  I have found a file that looks like it has some of the entries there.  I never deleted anything so I'm curious if there is a way that I can view my old databases within mysql.  I suppose there is some way to load what I think is a backup file but I'm scared of screwing it up somehow and losing my databases.
[12:08] <anibic> !paste
[12:10] <aqd> filifunky, some upgrade happened? you mean table and index files (for MyISAM)? better to ask in #mysql  for older databases any folder under /var/lib/mysql (/data?) is treated as a db and nothing else is needed.
[12:11] <filifunky> I get a permission denied when I try and cd into /var/lib/mysql
[12:11] <filifunky> is that normal aqd
[12:12] <filifunky> I'm trying to register into #mysql
[12:12] <filifunky> but it says I'm already registered...I'm confused
[12:12] <rory> you dont register per channel, your account belongs to the Freenode network
[12:12] <aqd> filifunky, use root login or "sudo -i" to root shell first
[12:12] <ddoobb> Hi. If a package (okular pdf reader) is available on the software center both as snap and from ubuntu-bionic-universe, which one would be better to use?
[12:13] <ddoobb> and what is the difference
[12:13] <aqd> i think the registration just means nickserv? you need to identify yourself to nickserv
[12:13] <OerHeks> !info okular
[12:13] <echehatesme> I can't
[12:13] <OerHeks> and see https://snapcraft.io/okular
[12:15] <ddoobb> OerHeks what does this tell me
[12:15] <filifunky> aqd, I tried to register with nickserv, but I already am...how do I "identify" myself
[12:15] <filifunky> ?
[12:15] <Assid> so i plan to use respin to make a installable iso for a  preconfigured system with application etc.. .. question is.. will it take into account the new hardware
[12:15] <aqd> ddoobb, snap means it's sandboxed. i don't see any reason to use snap except apps that connect to internet (chromium, spotify etc) and might be targets of exploits
[12:15] <OerHeks> ddoobb, see version numbers perhaps?
[12:16] <echehatesme> Dear GOD/GODS and/or anyone else who can HELP ME (e.g. MEMBERS OF SUPER-INTELLIGENT ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS):  The next time I wake up, please change my physical form to that of FINN MCMILLAN of SOUTH NEW BRIGHTON at 8 YEARS OLD and keep it that way FOREVER.  I am so sick of this chubby Asian man body!  Thank you!  - CHAUL JHIN KIM (a.k.a. A DESPERATE SOUL)
[12:16] <calcul0n> filifunky, /msg NickServ identify your_name password
[12:16] <JoeLlama> I need open source file backup software with readable archives... anyone know of some good ones? :)
[12:16] <calcul0n> don't type it in a channel window to avoid mistakes :)
[12:16] <rory> JoeLlama: tar
[12:17] <JoeLlama> oh?
[12:17] <aqd> filifunky, or in your IRC server pass your nickserv username and password for connection
[12:17] <OerHeks> Assid, if you do a respin, good luck, how would we know it would work on your hardware?
[12:17] <aqd> works for freenode at least
[12:17] <JoeLlama> talk to me rory :)
[12:17] <OerHeks> man tar
[12:18] <JoeLlama> o k
[12:18] <aqd> ddoobb, sandbox brings extra overhead, some libraries are duplicated (they're more or less self-contained and don't rely on system libraries), and other sandboxing techs which also offer greater protection. but if protection isn't needed i don't see any point.
[12:19] <ddoobb> OK thanks aqd
[12:19]  * aqd threw away his snaps for custom firejail profiles
[12:19] <rory> JoeLlama: sorry, my flippant comment was really: You dont *need* any special software to do backups. You can create archives and copy them to external media.
[12:19] <aqd> snap sandboxing is stronger i think, virtualized network and X access
[12:20] <rory> JoeLlama: just because you mentioned it neds to have readable archives, well, tar is readable on any Unix machine since about 1979 so you should be OK
[12:20] <Assid> OerHeks: i was hoping to find something which has the installer for going through the install  process as is .. aand then the rest of the apps /configs are preinstalled as is
[12:20] <JoeLlama> ok rory
[12:20] <Assid> that way i dont need to worry about drive size/ partition etc
[12:20] <Amnesia> question, how does `unattended-upgrade` deal with new kernels?
[12:20] <JoeLlama> now what about imaging rory I need to also take images of HDs
[12:21] <OerHeks> Amnesia, if you enabled live patch, it will install and run the fresh kernel
[12:22] <OerHeks> Assid, look into preseeding, but this channel is not the place for help with that https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[12:22] <OerHeks> those custom respins are not worth my time
[12:22] <rory> JoeLlama: for full disk imaging I would recommend the utility dd, or especially, ddrescue
[12:22] <Amnesia> OerHeks: nice!
[12:22] <rory> JoeLlama: This page is good, although be aware this is technically documentation for Arch Linux https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning
[12:23] <JoeLlama> rory: sweet thanks
[12:23] <JoeLlama> I think I used dd before
[12:23] <rory> dd is pretty dumb, I think ddrescue is the new de-facto standard for disk imaging
[12:23] <JoeLlama> ok
[12:24] <Amnesia> OerHeks: is there any 'free' variant of it as well?
[12:24] <JoeLlama> I also use others like clonzilla which worked well
[12:24] <JoeLlama> thanks rory
[12:24] <OerHeks> Amnesia, livepatch is free for 3 machines?
[12:25] <Amnesia> OerHeks: well fair enough, I'm looking for an automatic way to keep my vms (>3) up to date though:)
[12:25] <OerHeks> livepatch just delayes a reboot, you will need to restart that vm, for the next livepatch
[12:25] <OerHeks> and core updates
[12:25] <Amnesia> can't it use kexec?
[12:26] <Amnesia> to install them automagically ?
[12:27] <OerHeks> not sure that is compatible..
[12:27] <Assid> i wonder whats the difference between respin backup  and dist ? i cant seem to find it
[12:28] <filifunky> thanks calcul0n and aqd it worked.  I'm going to have a chat with the #mysql people
[12:36] <JoeLlama> I have xubuntu installed on a stand-alone offline machine...  how do I d/l update and upgrade on another system?
[12:39] <gunix> does anybody know if docker just got removed from microk8s in the last updates?
[12:39] <rory> JoeLlama: you can use the installation media to upgrade an existing install.
[12:40] <rory> JoeLlama: I think that works from one version to another, or from one LTS to another... but you can't skip version (unless they're LTS)
[12:41] <June6> Hiii, does anyone know of a program to make the unity dashboard in 18.04 more like Kubuntu's application launcher other similar? Slingscold launcher looked nice but doesn't work for 18.04.
[12:41] <June6> Or similar*
[12:41] <June6> I really miss being able to sort applications by category
[12:42] <pragmaticenigma> gunix: You might want to try in a channel dedicated to kubernetes and/or docker. Focus here is on Ubuntu Desktop support
[12:42] <aqd> June6, nope, that's gnome 3 for you, heh
[12:42] <June6> Oof
[12:42] <aqd> i switched back to xfce since there is no more unity desktop. or you can use mate
[12:43] <June6> Yea my only issue with that is I have a 2 in 1 laptop now and it works well with Unity
[12:43] <gunix> pragmaticenigma: microk8s is a canonical product
[12:43] <aqd> but unity is dead :(
[12:43] <June6> I just really miss the application launcher, I can't stand the dash.
[12:45] <aqd> i miss the integrated menubar/titlebar, such a brilliant idea...
[12:45] <pragmaticenigma> gunix: Support is not available in this channel. I just said, support here focuses on Ubuntu Desktop. Try using !alis to find a channel that will better support your inquery
[12:45] <pragmaticenigma> *support for that
[12:46] <June6> There's a gnome extension called flippery application menu that adds a seperate thing but I really like the full screen application launchers
[12:46] <aqd> June6, https://itsfoss.com/use-unity-ubuntu-17-10/
[12:47] <June6> Kubuntu's new full screen application menu is so sleek and user friendly, it's such a deal breaker having to use Dash ugh.
[12:52] <JoeLlama> hrm ok rory
[12:58] <Sbur3> How do I troubleshoot the scan funtion of my Brother MFC6490CW?  It prints, but when I use Xsane or other programs, it is said that it can't find the scanner
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> Sbur3: Have you installed the drivers for the scanner?
[13:03] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: I believe so
[13:03] <pragmaticenigma> Sbur3: Either you did or you didn't... there isn't much middle ground there
[13:04] <pragmaticenigma> Sbur3: https://www.brotherdriverseries.com/brother-mfc-6490cw-driver/
[13:04] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: I downloaded the 32bit part.  I used the software install thing to do so.  Is there a way to see if I messed that up or not?
[13:04] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: lsusb finds the device
[13:05] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: Bus 002 Device 006: ID 04f9:01f3 Brother Industries, Ltd
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> Sbur3: lsusb is not a definitive source of truth that a device is properly installed
[13:06] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: Can you tell me what is the source of truth on the matter?
[13:07] <cryptodan> Sbur3: usually the way to tell is if the device works after installation of drivers and software
[13:08] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: dpkg | grep Brother came up with this  ---      https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wxcTcdnCSF/
[13:09] <Sbur3> cryptodan: But if the device works, I wouldn't be asking for help to make it work. ;)
[13:10] <ioria> Sbur3, why did you install the 32-bit ver ?
[13:10] <Sbur3> cryptodan: And the print part works.  I think that even the copy part works.  It's the scanner part that doesn't
[13:10] <cryptodan> Sbur3: do you have simple scan installed
[13:10] <Sbur3> ioria: I thought that it was safer.  Should I try to install the 64 bit version?
[13:10] <Sbur3> cryptodan: Yes, I do
[13:11] <cryptodan> Sbur3: does it detect the scanner
[13:11] <gunix> !alis
[13:11] <ioria> Sbur3,  the Brother site has 3 pkgs:  linux-brprinter-installer (full) , the printer drivers and the scanner drivers; what did you exactly downloaded  ?
[13:12] <Sbur3> cryptodan: Simple scan says that it doesn't detect the scanner and invites me to connect a scanner
[13:13] <Sbur3> ioria: I believe that I had begun with the full version.  Seeing that the scanner didn't scan, I think I added the scanner drivers in 32bit
[13:14] <ioria> Sbur3,  can you paste ' ls /usr ' ?
[13:15] <Sbur3> ioria: bin  games  include  lib  lib64  local  sbin  share  src
[13:15] <ioria> here we are
[13:15] <ioria> lib64
[13:15] <ioria> Sbur3,  can you paste ' ls /usr/lib64 ' ?
[13:16] <Sbur3> ioria: gconv               libstdc++.so.6       libubsan.so.0
[13:16] <Sbur3> libbrscandec2.so.1  libstdc++.so.6.0.25  libubsan.so.0.0.0
[13:16] <ioria> Sbur3,  you know how topaste ? on paste.ubuntu.com or ussing pastebinit
[13:17] <Sbur3> ioria: gconv               libstdc++.so.6       libubsan.so.0
[13:17] <Sbur3> libbrscandec2.so.1  libstdc++.so.6.0.25  libubsan.so.0.0.0
[13:17] <Sbur3> ioria: Sorry
[13:17] <krowcipe> Also, it might be possible to enable debug output
[13:17] <ioria> Sbur3,   ls /usr/lib64  | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:19] <ncwz_hlu> what's the best way to sync and redestribute python web apps on linux now?
[13:19] <Sbur3> ioria: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8YGg9JgC2F/
[13:20] <ioria> Sbur3,    sudo ln -sf /usr/lib64/libbrscandec*.so* /usr/lib
[13:21] <Sbur3> ioria: Done
[13:21] <ioria> Sbur3,    ls /usr/lib/sane
[13:22] <Sbur3> ioria: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZXPPntGz2d/
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> Sbur3: I made a small error earlier, did you install the driver from this page? https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfc6490cw_all&os=128&dlid=dlf006893_000&flang=4&type3=625
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfc6490cw_all&os=128
[13:22] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: I don't recall because I'm not looking at all that stuff.  Why?
[13:22] <legreffier> ncwz_hlu: pip
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> Sbur3: Because having isntalled a driver from another source may not have been up-to-date or even the right driver
[13:24] <Sbur3> pragmaticenigma: I went to the download section on the Brother web site
[13:25] <Sbur3> ioria: I imagine that there is another link to make, right?
[13:25] <ioria> yes, something's wrong
[13:25] <ioria> Sbur3,     sudo ln -sf /usr/lib64/sane/libsane-brother*.so* /usr/lib/sane
[13:26] <ioria> it's already there
[13:26] <EriC^^> Sbur3: which ubuntu is this?
[13:26] <Sbur3> ioria: Done
[13:27] <Sbur3> EriC^^: Ubuntu Studio 18.10
[13:27] <ioria> Sbur3,     sudo usermod -a -G scanner <my_user>
[13:27] <Sbur3> GraysonBriggs: I type "my user" or I replace it with my username?
[13:28] <micmac> Hi, my / is at 100% when doing du, so I tried to free some space: 95 to 90GB, but still showing 100%. I tried fsck in recovery, didn't work (volume is mounted), I did fsck from USB stick, didn't resolved the issue
[13:28] <ioria> Sbur3,    your user
[13:28] <GraysonBriggs> lol
[13:28] <banana_> hello
[13:28] <banana_> this is banana
[13:28] <EriC^^> micmac: how big is the disk?
[13:29] <micmac> EriC^^: about 95Gb
[13:29] <Sbur3> ioria: Ok.  Now what?
[13:29] <ioria> Sbur3,   reboot
[13:29] <micmac> EriC^^: I freed 5Gb, didn't work
[13:29] <banana_> anyone know what to do with a banana zero apart form putting it in the cupboard for life storage?
[13:29] <Sbur3> Reboot the entire system or just the multifunction?
[13:29] <EriC^^> micmac: 5% is reserved for root by default in ext fs, which is almost 5gb in your case
[13:30] <ioria> Sbur3,   reboot
[13:30] <banana_> ok cupboard sounds good
[13:30] <micmac> EriC^^: so if I free more space, it should work ?
[13:30] <EriC^^> micmac: yeah
[13:30] <Sbur3> ioria: Reboot the entire system and it should work or reboot just the multifunction?
[13:30] <micmac> EriC^^: ok I'll try that, thanks !
[13:30] <ioria> Sbur3,   the pc
[13:30] <EriC^^> micmac: you could try 'sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean' to remove more
[13:30] <Sbur3> ioria: See ya soon?  Unless you have lost your patience with me ;)
[13:30] <micmac> EriC^^: I already cleaned that in recovery mode
[13:30] <ioria> Sbur3,  nope
[13:31] <EriC^^> micmac: oh ok
[13:31] <micmac> ok let's try
[13:31] <Sbur3> ioria: So it will work after that?
[13:31] <ioria> Sbur3,  idk
[13:32] <blackflow> Sbur3: uhm, you don't have to reboot, only re-login for the new group to take effect.
[13:32] <ioria> Sbur3,  just reboot the system and then we'll try to start simple-scanner as superuser
[13:33] <EriC^^> Sbur3: perhaps try these as well, they are for 18.04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1052552/brother-mfc-495cw-scanner-not-working-on-ubuntu-18-04
[13:35] <Sbur3|2> ioria: Stilll not working the multifunction
[13:36] <ioria> Sbur3,  start simple-scanner as superuser
[13:36] <micmac> EriC^^: it worked, thanks again
[13:36] <EriC^^> micmac: great, no problem
[13:37] <Sbur3|2> ioria: Command not found
[13:37] <ioria> Sbur3,   simple-scan
[13:38] <Duckle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1797386 Hey there. I could use some help in translating this. Will OpenSSL 1.1.1 be available for 18.04, or was that plan changed?
[13:39] <Sbur3|2> ioria: "Cannot adopt OID in ...."
[13:39] <blackflow> Duckle: it's in progress
[13:40] <Sbur3|2> ioria: Would I be more intelligent to just purge the stuff that wasn't properly installed in terms of drivers and restart the installation progress?
[13:40] <nghok> bang
[13:40] <ioria> Sbur3,   idkwhat that mgs meas,but does it find the scanner ?
[13:41] <ioria> *means
[13:41] <Sbur3|2> ioria: No.
[13:41] <Duckle> blackflow: Okay, am I reading it right that the currrent time frame is "sometime after 19.04" ?
[13:41] <ioria> Sbur3,   did you start it with sudo ?ù
[13:41] <blackflow> Duckle: given that Doggo is coming out next month, this SRU will definitely happen after that
[13:41] <nghok> please use indonesia
[13:42] <Duckle> Also, I'd imagine 1.1.1 support for things like nginx would have to wait until after?
[13:42] <Duckle> blackflow: It's called doggo? :D
[13:42] <Sbur3|2> ioria: It starts the program, but when I look to scan, it doesn't find any scanners.  I tried "simple-scan", both in sudo and without sudo
[13:42] <blackflow> Duckle: it should've been called Dancing Doggo, yes :)  It's called Disco Dingo instead.   neway, iirc the point of 1.1.1 is primarily to have TLSv1.3 support in nginx and elsewhere
[13:43] <Duckle> yep, exactly why I was looking for it :)
[13:43] <blackflow> Duckle: the exact timetable is not clear, a lot of policy has to be considered
[13:43] <ioria> Sbur3,  maybe it wants the files in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu : sudo ln -sfr /usr/lib64/libbrscandec* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[13:43] <nghok> hi iam from indonesia
[13:44] <Duckle> I might temporarily switch to a ppa that offers nginx compiled with 1.1.1, but I'm not too keen on that as a permanent fix, as my website is deployed with an ansible playbook, and I'd prefer to stick to nginxinc official roles
[13:44] <nghok> ada orang indo?
[13:44] <Duckle> blackflow: Thanks for the help though. I'll look forward to it :)
[13:44] <ioria> Sbur3|2,  sudo ln -sfr /usr/lib64/libbrscandec* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[13:45] <blackflow> Duckle: subscribe to that bug and get notifications on the progress
[13:45] <nghok> bang
[13:46] <blackflow> !id | oran
[13:46] <oran> bang
[13:47] <micmac> I saw somewhere that it's possible to auto-update packages, in order to automatically apply security updates for example on servers. how do you do that ?
[13:48] <blackflow> micmac: with unattended-upgrades, but that's not managed fully, you'd still have to manually reboot for kernel, dbus upgrades, and it won't restart daemons for lib updates
[13:48] <mra90> I am on a ubuntu machine which is behind a proxy and therefore certain ips are blocked, how can I pass all requests to another ubuntu which doesn't have any proxy and therefore be able to get the contect I expect
[13:48] <anonymouse> waht your name?
[13:48] <micmac> blackflow: I see, still it may be interesting. I'll read more on the subject, thanks
[13:49] <blackflow> micmac: nah, it just promotes being a lazy and irresponsible sys "admin".
[13:49] <anonymouse> bang
[13:50] <micmac> blackflow: I just have a personal dedicated server, and I update/upgrade from time to time. if not with unattended-upgrades, how do you tell when it's important to upgrade ?
[13:50] <anonymouse> oi
[13:50] <anonymouse> oi
[13:50] <anonymouse> oi
[13:51] <anonymouse> bang?
[13:51] <blackflow> micmac: between releases all upgrades are important because they're only security and major bugfixes.
[13:51] <blackflow> micmac: otherwise, by reading through changelogs and deciding for yourself
[13:51] <micmac> blackflow: so when should I trigger them ? daily ?
[13:51] <anonymouse> micmac hallo
[13:51] <blackflow> micmac: when they appear. you could run "apticron" and get notified by mail when there's pending updates.
[13:52] <anonymouse> @blackflow hello
[13:52] <micmac> blackflow: interesting, I'll try that thanks
[13:52] <blackflow> !ot | anonymouse
[13:52] <rachaelf> How can I split a file into multiple files when a line matches a certain regex or when a line contains a certain string?
[13:53] <rachaelf> Oh, I'll just use Ruby. Duh.
[13:54] <anonymouse> oi orang indk masa kagak ada
[13:54] <blackflow> !id | oran
[13:54] <micmac> blackflow: and where can I see those changelogs please ? at least the most important ones
[13:54] <rachaelf> Still, it seems like there would be a command-line way to do that.
[13:55] <blackflow> micmac: apt-get changelog <package name>
[13:55] <blackflow> rachaelf: if there is, it's some awk and/or sed magic
[13:55] <micmac> blackflow: I'm not going to do that every few days for all packages ! :)
[13:56] <blackflow> micmac: then don't :)
[13:56] <micmac> isn't there some webapge listing the important packages to upgrade, security fixes and so on ?
[13:56] <micmac> *webpage
[13:56] <rachaelf> blackflow: I'd rather use software. I like awk / sed, but ... it seems like they would work better if broken down into less-mysterious parts.
[13:57] <blackflow> micmac: like I said, they're all important within a release, especially on LTS
[13:57] <micmac> ok I'll try apticron then
[13:58] <blackflow> micmac: you can use unattended upgrades but that won't do the job _fully_. there is no shortcut for understanding and knowing your system, I am sorry.
[13:59] <micmac> blackflow: I understand
[14:00] <mra90> I can not *scp* to a server - "lost connection"
[14:00] <mra90> what is the problem?
[14:00] <mra90> I can easly ping that ip though
[14:00] <teward> mra90: "lost connection" means any number of things, unfortunately, if it doesn't give any more useful errors it'll be impossible to determine a cause
[14:00] <teward> how're you doing the SCP?
[14:00] <teward> any specific SCP client?
[14:01] <mra90> teward: I do "scp file_name user_name@ip:/home"
[14:01] <mra90> thats all
[14:01] <mra90> "debug1: connect to address <ip> port 22: Connection refused"
[14:02] <micmac> I have another question: one of my servers is 14.04.6 LTS and it urges me to upgrade to 16.04.6 LTS with do-release-upgrade. the server is in production, is it safe to apply the upgrade ? won't it break anything ?
[14:02] <teward> mra90: Connection Refused means that either a firewall at the remote IP is interfering, or nothing is listening on Port 22 on the other end.
[14:03] <blackflow> micmac: that lazy sysadministration again. you should test the upgrades. run backups and be prepared to rebuild the server from scratch. ideally you have config management like ansible or similar, to help out.
[14:03] <blackflow> especially with 14.04 -> 16.04 which transitions to systemd
[14:04] <anonymouse> awesome
[14:04] <anonymouse> no sytem is safe
[14:04] <micmac> blackflow: it's a vmware vsphere machine, I will back it up first of course. the date is safe anyways.
[14:04] <micmac> *data
[14:05] <micmac> I'll read about ansible
[14:06] <blackflow> micmac: "will" back it up? so you don't have a regular backup policy in place? :)
[14:06] <emr> Hello, i want to use software raid i have 1tb disk and also 2 of 4tb disk i want to create raid 1 array on 4tb disks
[14:06] <blackflow> or do you mean you have and just meant you'll run one more backup run before the upgrade :)
[14:06] <mra90> teward: teh funny thing is I can copy the other way around
[14:06] <emr> is it possible?
[14:07] <micmac> blackflow: for the data, yes, but for the VM I do it manually from time to time
[14:07] <leftyfb> emr: why wouldn't it be?
[14:07] <blackflow> emr: is it possible to run 2 x 4TB disks in a RAID 1 (mirror) configuration? Yes.
[14:07] <emr> well i want to keep 1tb for os installation
[14:08] <leftyfb> emr: ok? You have yet to state an issue
[14:08] <leftyfb> emr: go try it
[14:09] <blackflow> micmac: as long as you have the backups (and you've tested they work -- some people only think they have them until they realize they've been broken for months and there aren't any backups) -- you'll be fine, run the upgrade, but be prepared for trouble, downtime and the need to rollback or reinstall 16.04 from scratch.
[14:09] <emr> thanks leftyfb
[14:10] <blackflow> micmac: also, that being a VM, ideally you can clone it and test run an upgrade first
[14:11] <micmac> blackflow: ah, yeah, good idea.. but I have to isolate it from the network first, in order for it not to interfere with the current VM
[14:12] <micmac> blackflow: and then, I won't be able to test it fully without putting it online. just seeing how the upgrade process works
[14:13] <highfiv3r[m]> micmac: are you sure the app can run on 16.04?
[14:13] <highfiv3r[m]> I'd sugest building a new vm and migrate
[14:14] <blackflow> micmac: you should really test 16.04 thoroughly, it's switching to systemd for process management, and without understand how and what systemd does, there might be a lot of grief, especially if process isolation is used.
[14:14] <blackflow> without *understanding
[14:14] <micmac> highfiv3r[m]: I don't have one particular app, rather a server with multiple services (mail, samba4, and so on...)
[14:14] <highfiv3r[m]> oof
[14:14] <blackflow> micmac: if you have NFS there, there _will_ be a lot of grief :)
[14:15] <highfiv3r[m]> split out the services to new vms and migrate one by one
[14:16] <micmac> blackflow: hmm no NFS, just routing, mail (postfix), samba4, and a few particular apps (windev manta server) that don't require special system dependencies
[14:16] <micmac> highfiv3r[m]: ok that's an idea
[14:18] <micmac> I'll try the lazy risky way :) backup the VM, do-release-upgrade, see if all works, and roll back to previous VM in case it doesn't
[14:19] <jcotton> so I'm trying to remap CapsLock to Backspace
[14:19] <jcotton> I did some looking and xmodmap -e "keycode 66 = BackSpace"  does make CapsLock do a backspace
[14:19] <jcotton> but it still toggles caps lock
[14:19] <jcotton> anyone know how i can fix that?
[14:20] <rwp> jcotton, Before that do "clear Lock"
[14:20] <micmac> I'll do two backups: one with veeam, and a VM clone from vsphere
[14:20] <micmac> and the data is backed up anyways
[14:21] <micmac> if anything goes wrong it won't be down for days
[14:22] <micmac> highfiv3r[m]: if I migrate the services one by one, that means the new server will have a new IP, so I have to reconfigure all the clients also to point to the new server
[14:22] <mra90> if I connect ubuntu laptiop with other one using ethernet cable can I *share* internet this way?
[14:22] <jcotton> ah wait, gnome-tweak-tool can do it
[14:23] <jcotton> (gnome tweak tool > keyboard and mouse > additional layout options > caps lock behavior > make caps lock an additional backspace)
[14:23] <jcotton> tho a general solution would still be good to know
[14:23] <highfiv3r[m]> mra90: yep
[14:24] <mra90> highfiv3r[m]: it doesn't work right away how can I set it up?
[14:24] <mra90> first I guess some action is needed on the side which alrwady has intenet access?
[14:24] <blackflow> micmac: "so I have to reconfigure all the clients also to point to the new server"   that's why we invented DNS
[14:24] <highfiv3r[m]> no - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[14:25] <micmac> blackflow: so explain me how you migrate the services one by one using dns ?
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> mra90: First you need to make sure you are using what is called a Cross-over ethernet cable. Also, one laptop needs to have access to the Internet through another connection. From there, the instruction highfiv3r[m] should get you going
[14:25] <rwp> jcotton, Did you miss seeing my suggestion for you?
[14:25] <micmac> blackflow: one entry per service ?
[14:25] <jcotton> rwp: oops i did
[14:25] <jcotton> thanks
[14:26] <jcotton> rwp: so that would be xmodmap -e "clear Lock"?
[14:26] <rwp> Correct.
[14:26] <jcotton> thanks
[14:26] <blackflow> micmac: for starters, if you had mx.yourdomain.com and smtp.yourdomain.com and imap.yourdomain.com   then yes, it'd be dead easy to migrate mail bit by bit. other services probably similarly, I don't know what exactly you've got there
[14:26] <mra90> pragmaticenigma: what is cross-over eth cable? I have standard one
[14:26] <jcotton> pragmaticenigma: i thought you didn't need crossover cables anymore?
[14:27] <jcotton> b/c NICs are smarter now]
[14:27] <blackflow> micmac: my point was, you never confiugre clients for IPs. that's why DNS exist so you can float the IP when and where necessary without needing to reconfigre all the clients
[14:27] <jcotton> https://serverfault.com/questions/579951/is-crossover-cable-still-needed
[14:27] <leftyfb> blackflow: I think this discussion is better served in #ubuntu-server
[14:27] <blackflow> leftyfb: agreed
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> jcotton: Without knowing the exact specifications of the NIC, it's better to assume they don't.
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> mra90: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable
[14:27] <blackflow> micmac: perhaps continue in #ubuntu-server? this is more on topic there.
[14:28] <micmac> oh ok sorry I didn't know
[14:28] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: if you have an ethernet device made in the last 10 years, it'll support auto detection and not require a crossover cable
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> mra90: It's an ethernet cable that is wierd differently to allow to computers to be directly attached to one another. Some newer computer network cards have the ability to auto-negotiate and won't require a special cable.
[14:29] <micmac> blackflow: you're right anyways, I have to improve my setup here.. I think I have enough information for now. thanks again
[14:29] <mra90> pragmaticenigma: ok
[14:29] <leftyfb> "newer" = in the last 10 years
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I have a laptop manufactured in the last 10 years, it doesn't have that feature
[14:30] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: nice little needle you have there. I have never come across a pc or server in the last 10 years that didn't support it.
[14:31] <leftyfb> sorry, make that 20 years ... the tech was released in 1998
[14:34] <Tydyt> Hello.
[14:34] <jcotton> is there any way to install PHP without installing apache?
[14:34] <jcotton> I need to do PHP for a class (not my choice)
[14:35] <Tydyt> New to Ubuntu. Got a question. What is Main Server in Software and Updates? Is it official canonical maintained ubuntu.com server?
[14:35] <compdoc> just tell the teacher you failed
[14:35] <jcotton> I'd like to keep my A
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> !php7-cli
[14:35] <jcotton> ah perfect
[14:35] <jcotton> thanks
[14:35] <jcotton> what does the "!" do though?
[14:36] <leftyfb> jcotton: just php7-cli
[14:36] <djaZ> hey guys i tryed change name of the file but the name have -
[14:36] <djaZ> like -blabla.jpg how can i do it ?
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> jcotton: I was trying to ping the bot
[14:36] <highfiv3r[m]> mra90: ethtool eth0
[14:36] <jcotton> pragmaticenigma: ah
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> jcotton: it's "sudo apt install php7.2-cli" in Ubuntu 18.04
[14:36] <Tydyt> So far so good anyway. Lubuntu runs lighter and faster on this low end laptop than shitty Windows 10 home.
[14:36] <highfiv3r[m]> look for auto-negotiate
[14:36] <jcotton> pragmaticenigma: ye that's what i did
[14:36] <leftyfb> djaZ: mv
[14:37] <jcotton> I see ufw is preinstalled, is there a good UI for that?
[14:37] <Tydyt> Also how can i disable tapping on my touchpad? Is there a file for it?
[14:37] <highfiv3r[m]> mra90 sorry look for MDI-X: Unknown
[14:37] <jcotton> is there nothing in the setting Tydyt?
[14:37] <jcotton> ah found it, gufw
[14:38] <Tydyt> Nope, just a default mouse setting
[14:38] <djaZ> leftyfb i cant, cause when i do mv -blabla.jpg a.jpg
[14:38] <djaZ> mv: invalid option -- 'blabla'
[14:38] <leftyfb> djaZ: use quotes
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> Tydyt: Please mind your choice in words, this channel is meant to be family friendly
[14:38] <djaZ> dont work
[14:39] <Tydyt> pragmaticenigma:  What?
[14:39] <leftyfb> djaZ: escape the -
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> djaZ: remove the hyphen before the file name... if the hyphen is part of the file name, add quotes around the file name
[14:39] <djaZ> # cp "-PYC95.jpg" "a.jpg"
[14:39] <djaZ> cp: invalid option -- 'Y'
[14:39] <djaZ> Experimente "cp --help" para mais informações.
[14:39] <Tydyt> I just asked what is main server in Soft?ware and updates
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Tydyt: Please don't curse here
[14:39] <leftyfb> djaZ: mv "\-blabla.jpg" a.jpg
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | Tydyt
[14:40] <leftyfb> djaZ: cp "\-PYC95.jpg" a.jpg
[14:40] <leftyfb> djaZ: though, I think you want mv, not cp if you're renaming
[14:40] <jcotton> the - is being interpreted by cp, not the shell
[14:40] <jcotton> use cp -- blah
[14:40] <Tydyt> pragmaticenigma:  I have no idea what you talk about. I am not angry, just my touchpad is too sensitive thats why i have hard time to write with proper grammar
[14:40] <jcotton> or you can prefix it with ./
[14:40] <jcotton> ./-blah
[14:40] <tomreyn> djaZ: yet another option: mv -- -blabla.jpg a.jpg
[14:40] <Tydyt> So what is Main server?
[14:40] <leftyfb> Tydyt: it was how you referred to Windows. Please keep it PG in here. That's all.
[14:40] <djaZ> leftyfb cp: impossível obter estado de "\-PYC95.jpg": Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
[14:41] <djaZ> not found
[14:41] <Tydyt> I have two options. MAin server and Server for the US
[14:41] <Tydyt> What is the difference?
[14:42] <djaZ> oh yeah
[14:42] <djaZ> :)
[14:42] <djaZ> thanks
[14:42] <djaZ> leftyfb tomreyn jcotton  thanks
[14:43] <tomreyn> Tydyt: i didn't catch all the context but for ubuntu installations / updates "main (archive) server" would be archives.ubuntu.com, "US (archive) server" would be us.archives.ubuntu.com
[14:43] <jcotton> there may also be closer mirrors as well
[14:43]  * jcotton 's university has one
[14:43] <jcotton> downloads are so fast
[14:43] <Tydyt> fine ill change it
[14:43] <tomreyn> Tydyt: actually 'archive', not 'archiveS'
[14:46] <tomreyn> djaZ: you're welcome. which one worked in the end?
[14:47] <djaZ> tomreyn --
[14:48] <tomreyn> djaZ: thanks.
[15:15] <spyke581> Is it possible to add an afp network share to the fstab? Or any other way to mount an AFP share on boot?
[15:16] <newbie1> Salam millet
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> !english | newbie1
[15:23] <qwebirc83967> Is there a way to see which service has a particular kernel module loaded? I’m trying to install nvidia drivers but it can’t load nvidia-drm
[15:23] <qwebirc83967> I’m in runlevel 3, disabled secure boot, and stopped gdm&gdm3
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> spyke581: I believe you can mount it like you would a cifs share. There might be some configuration parameters that will need to be added for proper file/directory permissions handling
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc83967: What version of ubuntu are you using. Newer version of Ubuntu no longer use runlevels
[15:26] <qwebirc83967> pragmaticenigma: 18.04 LTS
[15:27] <qwebirc83967> I’m also in recovery mode
[15:27] <qwebirc83967> Kernel is 4.18.0-16-generic
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc83967: recovery mode is not runlevel 3... and in recovery mode, kernel modules are not usually activated. recovery mode only starts bare minimum to get you to a prompt
[15:30] <qwebirc83967> pragmaticenigma: ok, I will try normally
[15:37] <fruity> hello!
[15:37] <fruity> whatś cooking fam
[15:38] <fruity> why won´t you talk to me
[15:38] <jigubigule> don't spam, fruity
[15:39] <fruity> hi!
[15:39] <jigubigule> hi
[15:48] <jcotton> it's SMB not CIFS ;_;
[15:51] <qwebirc35549> So I don’t know if you got my last message but I disabled nouveau via grub and killed gdm3, am in runlevel 3 and I get the same error
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc35549: If you are the same person as I was assisting before. again, there is no such thing as runlevels in Ubuntu. Ubuntu uses systemd, which does not have a concept of runlevels
[15:53] <qwebirc35549> pragmaticenigma: yeah sorry my IRC froze. Anyway, do you know what the problem could be? I’m in the curl+alt+3 terminal
[15:54] <tomreyn> so you actually meant "tty3" when you said "runlevel 3"?
[15:54] <qwebirc35549> yes
[15:54] <tomreyn> oh ok
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc35549: As far as your driver issue, you'll need to explain more detail what led you to disabling nouveau and what the specific error you are seeing. If you have installed the correct nvidia drivers, there was no reason to disable nouveau, they would have been ignored during boot since the nvidia proprietary drivers would have taken precedence
[15:55] <tomreyn> qwebirc35549: lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA
[15:56] <qwebirc35549> pragmaticenigma: Well the only drivers I have installed right now are the nouveau ones. I am trying to reinstall the nvidia drivers because the card I wanted to use was listed as unclaimed. I’ve disabled nouveau so I can install the nvidia ones. Installation fails because it can’t load the nvidia-drm kernel
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc35549: how are you performing your installation?
[15:57] <qwebirc35549> pragmaticenigma: via the CUDA installer runfile
[15:58] <qwebirc35549> My core problem was actually that NVBLAS couldn’t find a card and I assumed it was because the card was unclaimed
[15:58] <qwebirc35549> So that’s why I’m reinstalling my drivers
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc35549: would this simplify things? https://askubuntu.com/a/1036265
[16:03] <nicofs> There is a Smart TV in my (local) network. Is there a way to monitor its traffic, i.e. all the servers/(sub)domains it connects to?
[16:04] <asnm> Hello, folks! Can someone guide me a bit how to create multiple vlans on ubuntu machine that's KVM Host and forward those vlans to guest machines?
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> nicofs: Unfortuantely this channel is for supporting Ubuntu. That topic is better suited to a forum that specializes in networking or similar.
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> asnm: You might want to try asking in ##networking
[16:05] <nicofs> pragmaticenigma, I had hoped, there was a network tool for that in ubuntu...
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> nicofs: This channel isn't the right place for asking for software recommendations. It is for support, of application already installed and needing assistance in running those applications
[16:06] <qwebirc35549> pragmaticenigma: I will try using a package manager to install like the question.
[16:06] <tomreyn> nicofs: you can run tcpdump on ubuntu, but whether or not it will be able to capture the other devices' traffic depends on a couple environmental factors.
[16:09] <nicofs> pragmaticenigma, "It is for support, of application already installed" - so I can get support in this channel only, if the application in question has already been preinstalled in the distro? How sad is that?
[16:12] <leftyfb> nicofs: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:15] <qwebirc57075> I was the one talking about installing my drivers. I downloaded the deb file but it says I have held broken packages
[16:16] <tomreyn> nicofs: you can ask anything about software available in ubuntu (from the official archives) here, just polls don't belong here.
[16:16] <nicofs> leftyfb, while my request might not be in the scope of general ubuntu support I don't see it as off-topic. Monitoring traffic in my network seems a reasonable request within the field network administration. Maybe thats more Ubuntu server than generic Ubuntu
[16:17] <leftyfb> nicofs: the topic here is ubuntu desktop support. Anything else is offtopic
[16:18] <ioria> nicofs, if wifi connected, any monitor/traffic  tool should be fine
[16:18] <leftyfb> nicofs: we can help with issues from trying to run or conifgure software. Not take part in polls about what software best suits your personal needs
[16:18] <nicofs> leftyfb, tomreyn so basically there is no application in the repository for monitoring my network?
[16:18] <ioria> tons
[16:19] <tomreyn> nicofs: i suggested one 12 minutes ago
[16:19] <leftyfb> nicofs: what have you searched for so far?
[16:22] <nicofs> leftyfb, my google search led me to netstat and tools to list my pcs network interfaces. atm i'm reading the tcpdump manual
[16:24] <zeolo> hi
[16:25] <tomreyn> hello zeolo
[16:31] <gauru> hi guys, what is the best software to capture full screen or part of it in ubuntu
[16:33] <enby> How does one create and edit a .yml file in terminal?
[16:34] <jcotton> it's just a text file
[16:34] <jcotton> in YAML format
[16:34] <enby> Ok, better question. How do you do save as in nano?
[16:34] <CookieM> Prtscrn or Alt+Prtscrn
[16:34] <jcotton> given that it's indentation-sensitive i would use an editor with proper support
[16:34] <jcotton> enby: doesn't the save action always ask for the filename
[16:34] <jcotton> *?
[16:35] <enby> Hmm probably does, I haven't played with Linux in a long time I thought it didn't. :P
[16:35] <leftyfb> enby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KO4KO2DTo   # first result on google for "how to use nano"
[16:36] <enby> Any suggestions for an editor Jcotton?
[16:36] <jcotton> I prefer vim for CLI editing
[16:36] <jcotton> VSCode otherwise
[16:36] <enby> Mkay, thank you. :P
[16:37] <ioria> enby, also nano is ok with the proper yaml.nanorc
[16:41] <CookieM> gauru, shutter or kde-spectacle
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> gauru: ubuntu has a built in screen shot tool, simply press the PrtScrn "Print Screen" key on your keyboard to access it. If you need software recommendations, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:48] <jcotton> for those that were here earlier, gnome-tweak-tool doesn't actually really work for caps lock -> backspace remap
[16:48] <jcotton> you can't hold caps lock to mass delete
[16:48] <jcotton> need xmodmap for that
[16:51] <ioria> or a simple     setxkbmap -option caps:backspace
[16:54] <jcotton> didn't know about that
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> jcotton: https://askubuntu.com/a/614664
[16:55] <jcotton> "
[16:55] <jcotton> If you remaped the Capslock key to backspace and now you wonder why it won't delete words if you keep it pressed, it's because you need to use an extra command. After setxkbmap -option caps:backspace enter xset r 66 and voilá."
[16:55]  * jcotton saves for later
[16:55] <ioria> not permanent, btw
[16:55] <jcotton> will putting it in .profile work? (Ubuntu 18.10 with gnome)
[16:56] <woenx> Hi. For debugging purposes I am trying to simulate a sshfs error. Does anyone know how can I simulate the "transport endpoint is not connected" error?
[16:56] <ioria> yep
[16:56] <nfish> jcotton, that should work, yes
[16:57] <nfish> woenx, that happens when the connection is cut, right? You could maybe toggle an iptables rule?
[16:57] <woenx> nfish, yes, when the host does not respond. but just disconnecting the network does not cause the same effect
[16:57] <woenx> nfish, how could I block a specific IP temporarily? I'm not very used to iptables...
[16:58] <nfish> I think you need to silently eat the packets, without returning any ICMP error packets, to get that result
[16:58] <woenx> aha
[16:59] <jcotton> is iptables the way to go now?
[16:59] <jcotton> I see my ubuntu install has ufw
[16:59] <jcotton> (which i turned on)
[16:59] <nfish> jcotton, iptables is what happens under the hood, ufw is a frontend
[16:59] <gauru> cookieM: thanks
[16:59] <jcotton> ah
[17:01] <woenx> installing ufw...
[17:01] <woenx> I should learn to master iptables someday,..
[17:02] <jcotton> there's also gufw, which is a gui frontend to ufw
[17:02] <jcotton> heh, frontend to frontend
[17:02] <woenx> wow
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: ufw might already be installed, it is usually installed but deactivated by default
[17:02] <jcotton> yeah it was off for me
[17:02] <jcotton> rather alarming since my uni exposes computers directly to the internet
[17:03] <woenx> ah, I just typed ufw in the app menu and the software store opened up
[17:04] <leftyfb> woenx: ufw is a commandline tool
[17:04] <semi_> ubuntu 14 end of life is April 2019, is that beginning or end of April?
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: ufw is a cli interface... gufw would be the graphical interface
[17:04] <woenx> oh, ok ok
[17:04] <blackflow> semi_: 25th
[17:04] <jcotton> the software center still shows CLI apps
[17:05] <AlexP11223> I use Ubuntu 18.04 on VirtualBox and sometimes I get weird freezes like this https://i.gyazo.com/8bb3ee190e0e988e41ff56e6419bd666.mp4
[17:05] <AlexP11223> Some menus don't work, can switch to apps only via taskbar, cannot select text in text editor, etc.
[17:05] <AlexP11223> Keyboard seems to work fine and in this case it "unfreezed" after opening the start menu (win key) I think.
[17:05] <AlexP11223> Is it caused by VM? Or Gnome DE? I wonder if I encounter such issues if I install it as the main OS
[17:05] <semi_> blackflow: thanks!  Do you happen to know the EOL for ubuntu 12 ESM?  Same April 2019
[17:05] <blackflow> semi_: nope, sorry
[17:06] <pragmaticenigma> semi_: ESM should be documented in your purchase agreement
[17:07] <tomreyn> AlexP11223: hard to tell. is ubuntu fully up to date? are there significant errors logged?
[17:07] <tomreyn> AlexP11223: are you using a supported virtualbox version on a supported host OS?
[17:08] <AlexP11223> tomreyn: should be up to date, installed just a week ago. Windows 10 x64, vb 6.0, intel 9900k
[17:09] <tomreyn> AlexP11223: so what does this report? nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[17:09] <woenx> one question, blocking one IP in iptables is the same as blocking a hostname?
[17:10] <compdoc> host names can change
[17:10] <tomreyn> woenx: (as the name suggests) iptables works with ip addresses only.
[17:10] <woenx> aha
[17:10] <AlexP11223> http://termbin.com/4xsl
[17:11] <woenx> weird, I try to block the host to which I try to connect through SSH
[17:11] <blackflow> actually iptables accepts hostnames too
[17:11] <tomreyn> AlexP11223: okay, this looks current indeed. now have a look at "journalctl -b" or post it using: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:11] <woenx> and when the rule is active, I can't establish new connections, but already mounted folders still work
[17:11] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: blocking a hostname is not a guaranteed method to blocking. once an application as resolved the IP address of a hostname, it may cache it to reduce overhead of rechecking for each connection.
[17:11] <woenx> pragmaticenigma, ok
[17:12] <AlexP11223> http://termbin.com/dcl0
[17:12] <tomreyn> blackflow: but it will resolve them at some point and then filter based on what it resoved them to.
[17:13] <blackflow> tomreyn: true, just saying hostnames are acceptable in arguments
[17:13] <woenx> so iptables affects new connections, but does not block already stablished connections, right?
[17:13] <blackflow> not good for blocking but okay for whitelisting
[17:13] <tomreyn> true
[17:14] <teward> woenx: iptables affects *all* connections, depending on what rules you're adding.
[17:14] <blackflow> woenx: depends on how the rules are defined. if there's an allow rule for ESTABLISHED flows (which is usually a standard practice), then yes, won't be affected unless you flush the tables
[17:15] <woenx> how would you make a rule to block outgoing traffic to one specific ip?
[17:15] <jcotton> nfish: putting those commands in .profile didn't work :/
[17:15] <jcotton> (caps lock to backspace mapping)
[17:15] <jcotton> but sourcing it from the terminal works fine
[17:15] <nfish> jcotton, hmm, it might be getting run before X starts
[17:16] <jcotton> reboot didn't help either
[17:16] <jcotton> tried just in case
[17:16] <M151> what you mean
[17:16] <jcotton> nfish: is .profile read regardless of login shell?
[17:16] <jcotton> (mine's set to fish)
[17:16] <tomreyn> !who | AlexP11223
[17:16] <nfish> jcotton, oh. I believe .profile is bash only
[17:17] <jcotton> actually yeah it's still read
[17:17] <jcotton> b/c EDITOR and VISUAL are set correctly
[17:17] <ioria> jcotton, i suggest StartUp Applications for a xsetkbmap cmd
[17:18] <tomreyn> AlexP11223: video acceleration faile dto initialize, so this might be why the GUI lags. also there are many reports for issues with a gnome-shell extension.
[17:18] <jcotton> ioria: i'll try that
[17:22] <tomreyn> AlexP11223: if you have any non default gnome-shell extensions installed, disable them, restart gnome-shell and see if things improve.
[17:23] <OerHeks> never heard of psi-plus.desktop ..
[17:23] <woenx> I tried with the rule: sudo iptables -A OUTPUT <IP> -j DROP, but the filesystem detected that the host was disconnected and the connection was closed.
[17:24] <ioria> !info psi-plus
[17:24] <blackflow> woenx: that's not a valid iptables rule
[17:25] <woenx> why not?
[17:25] <blackflow> woenx: because it's missing -d before that IP
[17:25] <blackflow> woenx: also what "filesystem" has to do with iptables?
[17:26] <jcotton> he's doing sshfs stuff iir
[17:26] <woenx> blackflow, sorry, I copied it wrong, it had the -d. I want to simulate a "transport endpoint not connected" in the filesystem, by blocking access to a sshfs network folder.
[17:28] <CrtxReavr> Anyone noticed a wonky bug with the lastest putty (v0.71)?
[17:28] <CrtxReavr> Printing putty icons in the top, left of the terminal during authentication?
[17:29] <OerHeks> CrtxReavr, nice, but it is not in our repos yet? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/putty
[17:29] <CrtxReavr> Well, I'm seeing this on the Windows build.
[17:29] <CrtxReavr> Not sure why someone would run putty on linux.
[17:30] <CrtxReavr> Though. . . .71 is a security patch release, so. . .
[17:30] <blackflow> for the same reason why one would come to #ubuntu to ask about windows questions.
[17:30]  * jcotton only uses putty for serial now
[17:30] <jcotton> Windows has OpenSSH now
[17:30] <CrtxReavr> Sorta. . .
[17:30] <jcotton> it's literally OpenSSH
[17:30] <jcotton> MS ported it
[17:30] <CrtxReavr> The Linux subsystem doesn't provide very good access to the network stack.
[17:31] <jcotton> i'm not talking about WSL
[17:31] <jcotton> and ssh works just fine from WSL
[17:31] <CrtxReavr> Well. .. okay. . . read about that. . ..but in that  case, the windows terminal is such shit, using OpenSSL in it would be horrible.
[17:31] <jcotton> well yeah conhost is garbage
[17:31] <blackflow> guys, offtopic...
[17:31] <jcotton> sorry
[17:32] <CrtxReavr> And no, ssh doesn't "work just fine" in WSL. . . none of the  port mapping features work.
[17:33] <OerHeks> CrtxReavr, interesting.. if you want to file a bug, against a non released package ..
[17:34] <blackflow> woenx: you might want to use REJECT target instead of DROP, so the applications and FUSE recognizes packets blocked immediately.
[17:35] <nfish> blackflow, he's intentionally trying to test sshfs with network breakages in this case. But normally I agree.
[17:35] <woenx> blackflow, i'll try it
[17:36] <blackflow> nfish: I know. if you DROP a packet then it takes some time for software to notice
[17:37] <CrtxReavr> I was pointed towards an explanation: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/vuln-auth-prompt-spoofing.html
[17:37] <CrtxReavr> Seems it was a kludge to address the vuln in 0.70.
[17:37] <CrtxReavr> Pretty brilliant kludge, actually.
[17:37] <blackflow> !ot| CrtxReavr
[17:38] <OerHeks> CrtxReavr, those fixes are backported to 70-6, see the list & date https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/putty/0.70-6
[17:38] <woenx> Mmm, both with REJECT and DROP, the result is the same.. Ubuntu immediately notices the connection to the host has been interrupted and unmounts the share.
[17:38] <CrtxReavr> blackflow, no one cares about your shitty freenode rules.
[17:38] <blackflow> woenx: yeah, perhaps you need autofs?
[17:39] <blackflow> RagequitReavr does tho.
[17:39] <blackflow> OerHeks: he wasn't even talking about the linux version
[17:40] <OerHeks> blackflow, my bad, did i send him away?
[17:40] <blackflow> no, I did.
[17:41] <woenx> blackflow, I use autofs
[17:42] <blackflow> woenx: but then it should reconnect?
[17:43] <woenx> blackflow, well, yes, when I disable the rule
[17:44] <blackflow> woenx: so what is the problem then?
[17:45] <woenx> blackflow, I try to simulate a "transport endpoint is not connected", when a sshfs mount is no longer available for some reason, but the filesystem still think it is. May be in that state for minutes or hours before showing the "transport endpoint is not connected" error
[17:45] <woenx> I am basically trying to test if a bug has been corrected in a program that deleted its database in that situation
[17:46] <woenx> but it's hard to induce the problem artifically...
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: What about using a network switch or router in between the two machines... unplug the connection network switch to the network side... leaving the test computer attached to the network switch
[17:47] <woenx> pragmaticenigma, well, the remote machine is in another country... I don't have physicall access to the router/switch
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: You don't have to have the machines in the same area
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: The machine you are testing with, connected to network switch, network switch connected to company network... sever the connection between the switch and the company network
[17:49] <woenx> so what would you disconnect in this case?
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: second half of my comment
[18:05] <ioria> woenx, might be a problem, yes (switched to tty and killed sshfs)
[18:06] <ioria> woenx, maybe some ssh options should fix it (idk any)
[18:10] <woenx> ioria, yes, but it's not a big deal. I was just trying to see how another program reacted to a connection loss in this case.
[18:11] <ioria> woenx, maybe it is, because any bash/terminal windows freeze
[18:11] <ioria> (freeze = not usable)
[18:13] <woenx> Yes, I know, but it has been this way for the last 10 years at least. The whole file browser freezes when a shared folder is no longer accessible.
[18:13] <woenx> there is a bug report somewhere...
[18:13] <ioria> woenx,  not only the file browser....
[18:14] <woenx> well, yes
[18:14] <woenx> most of the UI
[18:14] <ioria> maybe a cron/while script/inotify rule  that check the mountpoint and if not available , send a notification and kill -9  sshfs  and fusermount -u
[18:15] <Me3kAndroid> having an issue, with accessing two other hard drives ... i can access them at /quasimoto and /unknownmoto but have no access to write anything to them .. anyway how to fix that..
[18:17] <Me3kAndroid> i created them via the install ubuntu 18.04 wizard .. at the same time as doing all partitions
[18:19] <xamithan> Read up on linux owner and permissions
[18:19] <xamithan> or just use sudo all the time
[18:19] <Me3kAndroid> ok ...
[18:20] <ducasse> !permissions | Me3kAndroid
[18:20] <woenx> btw, how can I measure latency to a sshfs mount?
[18:20] <woenx> (I can't ping the host, the router blocks pings apparently)
[18:20] <ub3g33k> ioping
[18:21]  * ub3g33k thinks it works on more than just block devices
[18:22] <lordcirth> ub3g33k, cool tool, thanks!
[18:23] <ub3g33k> yw :)
[18:24] <heller_> so, anything to remember when upgrading from version 15 to 18?
[18:25] <blackflow> woenx: you can use mtr-tiny and use SYN packets
[18:25] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | heller_
[18:26] <woenx> blackflow, I eneded up pinging my router from the remote host
[18:26] <woenx> 100ms of latency, it's terrible.
[18:27] <blackflow> woenx: well sshfs is not known for performance.
[18:27] <woenx> How can I test the read/write and latency speed in a specific folder?
[18:27] <woenx> I know, but it's quite convenient
[18:27] <blackflow> primarily it's a FUSE fs, so that alone will be a blow to perf. even if network wasn't
[18:27] <OerHeks> heller_, if you have no backup of your data, it is not important. see !eolupgrade for instructions
[18:28] <woenx> so what would be the optimal way to mount a remote filesystem in ubuntu, performance wise?
[18:28] <ioria> woenx,  consider sftp + nautilus
[18:29] <woenx> isn't that the same as sshfs?
[18:29] <blackflow> woenx: lower in the stack. iscsi, or even nbd.
[18:29] <lordcirth> heller_, from pre-16.04, I'd just back up and reinstall. But if you do upgrade, back up anyway.
[18:29] <tomreyn> woenx: nfs would already improve a lot.
[18:30] <lordcirth> I'd use NFS, and be sure to set up automounting / retries
[18:30] <blackflow> woenx: question is, if that traffic goes over untrusted network, you'd still have to bottleneck it with a VPN or something.
[18:30] <woenx> tomreyn, could I use NFS in a remote connection (through internet)?
[18:31] <tomreyn> woenx: throuhg a vpn, yes
[18:31] <woenx> yes, I also have a openVPN connection configured to the same host, but it's even slower
[18:31] <tomreyn> woenx: webdav would also work over internet with https
[18:31] <woenx> but mounting a sshfs and accessing via sftp in nautilus is basically the same, no?
[18:32] <tomreyn> not at all
[18:32] <woenx> no?
[18:32] <blackflow> sftp is not a filesystem
[18:32] <woenx> well, but I need to mount it somehow
[18:32] <tomreyn> oh you mean sshfs compared to webdav performance? probably not as bad but also not great, yes.
[18:32] <blackflow> sshfs or nfs over uh.... ssh or vpn :)
[18:32] <woenx> I have a program that accesses some files in a specific folder, which in this case is in the remote network
[18:33] <woenx> but the latency makes it freeze all the time
[18:33] <blackflow> woenx: $32k question, do you really need a live fs?
[18:33] <woenx> yes
[18:33] <blackflow> is that your final answer.
[18:33] <woenx> i am using Digikam, with a collection of ~100000 pictures, which are stored in a NAS
[18:33] <ioria> woenx,  sftp does not use fuse
[18:33] <woenx> from a local network it's not that bad, but from internet it's terrible due to the latency
[18:34] <woenx> but the folder needs to be in the filesystem, so the program can find the files
[18:34] <blackflow> woenx: but can your use case download work files; work locally, (r)sync them back after you're done?
[18:34] <tomreyn> we're just repeating a conversation and discussion woenx brought up last time when their sshfs also performaned badly and didn't work reliably.
[18:34] <blackflow> ah.
[18:35] <woenx> blackflow, that would be cool, but it's several GB of data and I don't have so much room in my laptop...
[18:35] <tomreyn> basically, we provided the same answers then. sshfs is a crude hack, will never perform well.
[18:35] <blackflow> depends on what you're doing with the photos
[18:35] <woenx> well, just editing minor stuff, changing dates, sorting folders, etc.
[18:36] <woenx> network speed does nto seem to be a problem ~50mbps i'd say
[18:36] <blackflow> not much choice then.
[18:36] <woenx> but latency
[18:36] <ioria> woenx,  sure, in /run/user/1000/gvfs/
[18:36] <woenx> ah
[18:37] <woenx> anyway, I think the main problem is that Digikam is not well optimized for low latency networks. it freezes all the time a file is not immediately accessible
[18:37] <woenx> and, moreover, it often shows that black windows with "this program is not responding..."
[18:38] <woenx> and it freezes the rest of the OS, not just this program
[18:38] <blackflow> woenx: there are other tools like darktable
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> digikam is intended to have the files located on the same machine. Because image processing takes up a fair amount of system resources
[18:38] <woenx> well, not all of it, but the filebrowser and google chrome at least are unusable if I don't close the warning window
[18:38] <woenx> yes
[18:39] <woenx> no, darktable is good, but it's for other purposes
[18:39] <woenx> for managing a picture catalog, digikam is definitely the best
[18:39] <woenx> I'd say even comparing to paid software
[18:39] <woenx> I did my research back in the day, and I compared many programs...
[18:40] <woenx> darktable works very well for developing RAW pictures
[18:40] <dabbill> Depending on the camera
[18:41] <dabbill> I was really happy with Darktable when I was shooting Canon, but now that I switched to Sony, I wasnt as impressed.
[18:41] <woenx> why?
[18:41] <woenx> I personally tended to use rawtherapee more often that darktable
[18:41] <woenx> I also have a Canon
[18:41] <dabbill> Colors just seem to be off
[18:41] <tomreyn> could you move this conversation to offtopic, please
[18:41] <woenx> which is already 10 years old...
[18:42] <dabbill> I have been using Capture One Sony edition lately.
[18:42] <dabbill> Just wish it worked on Linux, hate using it in VM.
[18:43] <woenx> aha
[18:43] <woenx> so, now that we are at it, is there any way to measure access time to a file system/folder?
[18:44] <woenx> so I can test different options and make my own statistics
[18:45] <blackflow> woenx: sysbench, iirc
[18:46] <blackflow> woenx: check the manpage first, I think default file sizes will be too much over the network
[18:46] <tomreyn> FFSB, filebench
[18:46] <woenx> aha
[18:47] <dabbill> woenx:  I need to check out Rawtherapee again, its been a while since I have looked at it
[18:48] <woenx> I think it's simpler than darktable, but I kinda liked it
[18:51] <woenx> I see that sysbench requires to prepare a set of files larger than the ram, to avoid caching
[18:52] <woenx> I don't know if that's suitable for a remote directory...
[18:53] <jerichowasahoax> what's the apt verb for determining the current status of a given package? e.g. whether or not it's installed, what version, etc
[18:53] <Bashing-om> jerichowasahoax: "dpkg -l <package> ' .
[18:53] <ioria> !info bonnie++
[18:58] <jerichowasahoax> Bashing-om: thank you
[18:58] <Bashing-om> jerichowasahoax: :) np
[18:59] <woenx> Ok, i found it much easier to just use the 'dd' command to measure speed and latency
[19:02] <woenx> 250ms of latency, dammit
[19:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have issues booting in to single user mode
[19:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> I attempt to hold down SHIFT at boot in order to enter GRUB menu, but I get the regular loading screen.
[19:05] <grym> i'm on 18.04.  My mouse no longer registers left and right mouse clicks inside windows (like terminal, firefox..) but does register on the desktop (i can bring up a context menu, etc.).  How can I debug this?
[19:06] <blackflow> grym: wayland session?
[19:06] <Bashing-om> TyrfingMjolnir: EFI machine ? then it is the escape key that grub looks for, Spam the escape key as there is but a 3 second window of oportunity,
[19:06] <grym> blackflow: i'm .. not sure? whatever's stock on 18.04
[19:07] <blackflow> grym: xorg is. fire up xev and then click in the white window that appears. it should register ButtonPress and ButtonRelease events
[19:07] <blackflow> grym: run `xev` from the command line
[19:08] <grym> blackflow: i see events registering on clicks.
[19:08] <grym> blackflow: the event is registered, but the terminal session i'm typing this to you in now doesn't respond
[19:08] <blackflow> grym: can you logout & login, did that fixit?
[19:08] <grym> blackflow: it did not resolve the issue
[19:09] <grym> this is new as of ~20 minutes ago, no system updates in that time
[19:09] <lapion> Is it normal that most files in /usr/src/linux-headers-4.18.0-16-generic/include/config/*/*.h are empty zero size files ?
[19:09] <blackflow> grym: anything screaming from dmesg | tail -n 40  ?
[19:11] <Bashing-om> lapion: Duplicates here with zero file sizes .
[19:12] <lapion> Bashing-om, no not duolicates all are empty zero size files not soft nor hardlinks.. and nowhere else are those files available..
[19:13] <lapion> dplicates
[19:14] <Bashing-om> lapion: My result: https://termbin.com/gc2u .
[19:15] <lapion> If I look in the deb fiules : see they are supposed to soft or hardlinks but they apparantly point to none-existant files
[19:16] <lapion> I think it's a problem for people that install headers without installing the full kernel sources..
[19:17] <lapion> Bashing-om,  I think it's a problem for people that install headers without FIRST installing the full kernel sources..
[19:17] <grym> blackflow: nothing interesting.  I just rebooted again... everything was ok for about 90 seconds, then i got a 'system problem detected' GUI popup and the mouse is back to not responding to clicks
[19:18] <lapion> Bashing-om, which should not be a problem because not everyone needs the full kenrel sources all the time
[19:18] <grym> blackflow: i opened up the 'logs' gui tool and the only thing i see is a complaint about not mounting a remote drive that i use sometimes
[19:18] <Bashing-om> lapion: Well, guess the files are there in the event that one builds from source ?
[19:18] <grym> blackflow: super no longer opens the ubuntu search-for-software start menu thing either
[19:19] <lapion> Bashing-om, if the header files are necessary for a number of compiles that do no rquiere the full kernel sources
[19:19] <ubone> hi, i have ubuntu server 1804, could you tell me how to see the status of ports and how to open a port?
[19:20] <lapion> Bashing-om, plus if someone installs the full kernel sources after installing the header files ...
[19:26] <blackflow> grym: really no idea, but I thought dmesg would scream with GPU issues.
[19:45] <virmaha> Hello. ldconfig -p shows libxyz.so => /usr/lib/libxyz.so.0 , which is a symbolic link to /usr/lib/libxyz.so.0.0.1 . How can I delete the symbolic link and ensure it's purged by ldconfig?
[19:49] <grym> blackflow: working-ish, and https://termbin.com/nrxp is the whole shebang
[19:50] <blackflow> grym: what does  `journalctl -p err`  show ?
[19:51] <grym> blackflow: i hacked the line that gaave the mountpoint error out of fstab.  how that could possibly matter is beyond me...
[19:51] <blackflow> grym: it wouldn't unless it messed up gvfs which in turn messed up something else in gnome
[19:51] <blackflow> grym: that's gnome, right?
[19:52] <blackflow> whoa wait, nvidia 340?
[19:52] <grym> old card :/
[19:52] <grym> blackflow: https://termbin.com/2xel
[19:52] <grym> GeForce GTX 770
[19:53] <grym> i don't ... thiiink i can go up to the 410mumble
[19:54] <blackflow> grym: first things first, why do you have so many attempts against root on ssh? is this a remote server w/ GUI type of thing?
[19:55] <qwebirc61402> Wierd question: is there some command to play the sound ubuntu makes (16.04, unity) when you hit the volume up or volume down keys?
[19:55] <grym> blackflow: let's go with "universities are strange computing environments sometimes"
[19:55] <blackflow> grym: I see. well, bump it to a non-standard port to quite the logs if nothing else.
[19:56] <blackflow> grym: spice..... ah so that's a VM?
[19:56] <blackflow> or remote VNC something something type of access?
[19:57] <grym> blackflow: something like that, i think.
[19:57] <OerHeks> qwebirc61402, i am looking for that plop sound, you might be able to change that
[19:57] <blackflow> well, do you not know if that's a local physical machine, or a remote VM?
[19:58] <grym> blackflow: oh, workhorse is a physical machine.  i'm typing on it right now
[19:58] <blackflow> grym: anyway that would kinda explain your issues: everything okay and then all of a sudden irrational behavior with clicks that do register but don't really.
[19:58] <grym> blackflow: which 'that'?
[19:58] <grym> the gvfs failure?
[19:59] <blackflow> grym: accessing that desktop over spice or some kind of VNC
[19:59] <grym> i'll believe nearly anything about gnome :)
[20:00] <blackflow> grym: anyway, nothing immediately screams at me from those logs, other than the mentioned spice thing. pulseaudio is complaining, but I doubt that would mess up clicks. there's one "Unrecoverable failure in required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop"  but I've seen that in gnome regularly. problem with gnome is a megaton of catastrophic sounding log entries but everything humming along ifne.
[20:00] <TyrfingMjolnir> Bashing-om: Nope, bios; pounding the shift key works sometimes
[20:00] <blackflow> grym: it'd be great if you could pin point exactly at what time the troubles being and then look at the logs at that time
[20:00] <grym> blackflow: ok.  thank you for the detailed look!  i'll sniff around.
[20:01] <anibic> !pastebin
[20:02] <Bashing-om> TyrfingMjolnir: Sorry - can not say .. now above my pay grade :(
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> TyrfingMjolnir: what about Esc
[20:03] <qwebirc61402> OerHeks: Any luck on finding it?
[20:04] <OerHeks> qwebirc61402, no, i have no clue what that plop sound is names, in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo
[20:05] <OerHeks> they are .ogg
[20:06] <blackflow> TyrfingMjolnir: iirc there was a difference between left or right shift, can't remember which one is the "correct" one
[20:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> Left
[20:07] <TyrfingMjolnir> But the window of opportunity is like 0.2s
[20:07] <blackflow> TyrfingMjolnir: you don't have to mash it, you can hold it down from the bios post screen onward
[20:07] <qwebirc61402> OerHeks: I think it might be bell.ogg?
[20:07] <TyrfingMjolnir> blackflow: That really does not work
[20:08] <blackflow> TyrfingMjolnir: worked in my case iirc. neway, did you get to the menu?
[20:08] <OerHeks> qwebirc61402, no, that is for terminal
[20:09] <ioria> audio-volume-change.oga
[20:09] <ioria> in /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo
[20:09] <OerHeks> ioria, you are great!
[20:09] <ioria> lol
[20:09] <qwebirc61402> wow thanks
[20:10] <shmam> so I need to tail -f a log file and whenever a new thing gets posted to the log file, I need to make a curl request. I was thinking something like `tail -f my_log_file > ??` but not sure. Any ideas?
[20:10] <OerHeks> rename that ogg, and change your sound to that.. not sure it works right away, or logout/login again
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> TyrfingMjolnir: does your keyboard work in bios?
[20:10] <qwebirc61402> follow up: is there a quick way to play a .oga file from the command line?
[20:10] <ioria> sox
[20:11] <lordcirth> qwebirc61402, mpv
[20:11] <ioria>  + libsox-fmt-all
[20:12] <ioria> and the command is just 'play'
[20:13] <ioria> !info sox | qwebirc61402
[20:21] <Deen> quit
[20:44] <Screwdriverr> Henlooo
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> Screwdriverr: welcome
[20:45] <Screwdriverr> Would anyone be willing to help me troubleshoot my 2 in 1 tablet running Gnome? I am trying to get a program for additional gesture controls to work but am having trouble. Anyone have experience with these sort of programs?
[20:46] <Screwdriverr> I set up the programs and everything and everything seems to be fine but Ubuntu is not recognizing any of the new gestures.
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> Screwdriverr: think you will have better luck with unity on touch devices
[20:47] <Screwdriverr> Oof
[20:48] <dabbill> I have herd plasma has decent touch support
[20:48] <dabbill> also Gnome 3.32 has added more touch support I believe.
[20:49] <Screwdriverr> Oh? I have been considering Kubuntu, I can't really stand Unity.
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> good to know dabbill
[20:49] <Screwdriverr> is Gnome 3.32 the new version of Ubuntu?
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> Screwdriverr: if thats the case, you could test a 19.04 daily as a test
[20:49] <dabbill> lotuspsychje:  I am not 100% sure on that, but I thought I herd that on some one reviewing 3.32.
[20:49] <dabbill> Screwdriverr:  19.04 has Gnome 3.32 now.
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> its worth a try right dabbill
[20:50] <Screwdriverr> Oh there is a way to test 19.04? I assume that is on the Ubuntu website?
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> Screwdriverr: you can find the daily link in #ubuntu+1
[20:50] <Screwdriverr> join #ubuntu+1
[20:50] <Screwdriverr> whoops
[20:50] <dabbill> lol
[20:50] <Screwdriverr> :P
[20:51] <dabbill> IRC much :D j/k
[20:56] <Screwdriverr> Also is there any way to get windows drivers working on linux?
[20:57] <Screwdriverr> Or am I kinda outta luck if the manufacturer doesn't provide it
[20:57] <leftyfb> Screwdriverr: out of luck
[20:57] <dabbill> yea pretty much
[20:57] <Screwdriverr> F
[20:57] <dabbill> what is the device?
[20:58] <lordcirth> Screwdriverr, is there a specific driver you need?
[20:59] <Screwdriverr> I just got a Fujitsu laptop and there are only Windows drivers listed on the website. Anyways, thanks everybody, I'm going to go try 19.04.
[20:59] <dabbill> Screwdriverr:  most hardware just works on Linux
[21:00] <leftyfb> Screwdriverr: for what hardware specifically? The Windows drivers mean nothing in linux
[21:01] <Screwdriverr> Well the fingerprint scanner doesn't work which I kinda expected and some of the buttons don't do anything. I also have a double battery and I am not sure if it is detecting both and showing it in the battery charge level.
[21:02] <dabbill> I have a Thinkpad P51s, and Gnome shows both of its internal batteries
[21:02] <dabbill> Fingerprint readers are a hit and miss
[21:03] <Screwdriverr> Yea it's a pretty off brand laptop, I just got it yesterday. None of these things have been an issue really so it's ok.
[21:03] <leftyfb> Screwdriverr: your best bet is to pick a piece of hardware and work here to troubleshoot
[21:04] <dabbill> Screwdriverr:  or in Ubuntu+1 if your running 19.04 :)
[21:05] <blackflow> you mean #ubuntu+1 the channel here on freenode
[21:07] <RussianBotz> How do I change my wallpaper?
[21:07] <jake> hi
[21:08] <OerHeks> RussianBotz, systemsettings, background,  and click on the picture
[21:09] <OerHeks> on top there are options, to choose your own
[21:09] <RussianBotz> Oh thank you.
[21:10] <OerHeks> !artwork
[21:12] <monojamoon|> hey guys, I have a bluetooth connectivity problem.
[21:12] <monojamoon|>  I have a portable bluetooth speaker which I occassionally connect to my Ubuntu machine. The problem is that the connection doesn't seem to be 100% proper because the sound output quality from the speaker is low.
[21:12] <monojamoon|> However, if I disconnect and reconnect the device, the sound quality becomes optimal.
[21:13] <monojamoon|> I have tested the device on other machines, my android phone and Windows OS on the same machine, the speaker connects flawlessly on the first attempt itself.
[21:13] <jeremy31> monojamoon|: can you switch it from HSP/HFP to A2DP in sound settings when you first connect?
[21:14] <monojamoon|> yeah! the dropdown menu does have an option for it and I was able to change it
[21:16] <monojamoon|> oh wow!
[21:17] <monojamoon|> it worked! :)
[21:17] <monojamoon|> thanks jeremy31! :)
[21:22] <jcotton> what's the Online Accounts bit for in Settings?
[21:22] <jcotton> like does it let me mount my OneDrive?
[21:26] <Pinchiukas> Ok I installed sddm but I don't get a graphical UI on boot. I logged in through ssh and I can see that sddm is running.
[21:26] <monojamoon> My Calc seems to have stopped launching. :(
[21:27] <AlexPortable> What is the ubuntu equivalent of joy.cpl on windows?
[21:30] <leftyfb> !ot | AlexPortable
[21:30] <AlexPortable> eh yes this is ubuntu, im looking for support for ubuntu leftyfb
[21:31] <leftyfb> AlexPortable: what is joy.cpl?
[21:31] <jcotton> the thing for joysticks in the Windows Control Panel
[21:31] <Mordoc> leftyfb, It's the game controller control panel.
[21:31] <AlexPortable> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/1b286c5978e70bc61f0fee90f0e143e5b8c678b8/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f663972654169772e706e67
[21:32] <leftyfb> AlexPortable: there's several joystick control panels for ubuntu in the apt repos
[21:33] <monojamoon> jstest-gtk is one such package that I use.
[21:33] <monojamoon> can't say if it's the exact equivalent to joy.cpl.
[21:33] <Mordoc> AlexPortable, here's a guide that steps through and jstest-gtk like monojamoon suggested: http://www.pc-freak.net/blog/configure-joystick-gamepad-debian-ubuntu-mint-gnu-linux/
[21:34] <leftyfb> AlexPortable: future reference. For things like this, you should ask "What do I use to configure/test joysticks in ubuntu?"
[21:35] <AlexPortable> yes that might be better, thanks
[21:35] <jcotton> I wonder how relevant that still is
[21:35] <jcotton> looks pretty old
[21:35] <Mordoc> It's 2017...best I could find...
[21:35] <jcotton> oh i can't read
[21:35] <jcotton> i see 2017 at the bottom now
[21:35] <Mordoc> All good.
[22:04] <mra90> why I can not restart ssh by "sudo service ssh restart"
[22:04] <mra90> it says ssh.service not found
[22:06] <jcotton> do you maybe mean sshd
[22:06] <jcotton> ?
[22:06] <OerHeks> d-deamon
[22:06] <jcotton> (also i thought it was systemctl, not service)
[22:06] <jcotton> or am i out of date?
[22:07] <OerHeks> for systemd, yes
[22:07] <jcotton> ah
[22:07] <OerHeks> but if someone just asks a question without important details, the answer might be working
[22:07] <OerHeks> grinn
[22:12] <mra90> what can be a reason of "connecton refused, lost connection" while trying to scp
[22:12] <mra90> I can ping testintaion IP
[22:12] <mra90> destnation*
[22:14] <blackflow> mra90: can you ssh regularly?
[22:14] <OerHeks> did it ever work?
[22:14] <mra90> no
[22:14] <mra90> first attempt
[22:14] <mra90> ssh returns the same error message
[22:15] <blackflow> mra90: well, is the remote side listening on that port, or is there a firewall in effect that would reject the connection?
[22:16] <mra90> blackflow: how can I check if it is listening?
[22:16] <mra90> as i said I can ping that
[22:17] <blackflow> mra90: no, you can ping an IP, but can't verify with that if anything is listening on port 22 (or whichever you're using)
[22:18] <blackflow> mra90: you'll need to run diagnostics on the remote side, somehow. see if the sshd service is running, which port is it listening, if there's a firewall that would reject connections.
[22:18] <mra90> blackflow: yes, and is there a way to check if either side is listening on that port
[22:19] <leftyfb> mra90: what version of ubuntu is the server running?
[22:19] <mra90> 18.04
[22:19] <leftyfb> mra90: server or desktop?
[22:19] <mra90> desktop
[22:19] <leftyfb> mra90: how did you install openssh on it?
[22:20] <mra90> it was there from start?
[22:20] <blackflow> openssh-server to be precise (as client is by default)
[22:20] <leftyfb> mra90: negative
[22:20] <leftyfb> mra90: you need to install it
[22:20] <leftyfb> mra90: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-enable-ssh-on-ubuntu-18-04/ # first result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 install ssh server"
[22:21] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[22:21] <leftyfb> mine has pretty pictures :P
[22:22] <genii> sudo lsof -i :22   ... should show sshd using port 22
[22:23] <leftyfb> genii: they didn't have it installed
[22:23] <mra90> leftyfb: that's right I was missing it!
[22:23] <mra90> thanks a lot!
[22:23]  * genii suddenly notices he was scrolled up
[22:24] <blackflow> ss -l4n doesn't need sudo
[22:24] <mra90> the error messages however could have been better designed
[22:25] <blackflow> no, the error message is right on. the kernel set a closed port RST packet
[22:25] <blackflow> *sent. there's no way to know why, on the client side.
[22:25] <mra90> right
[22:28] <inspectorcluseau> ;;tlast
[22:46] <StartupProblems> I have a ubuntu host that won't boot and I have no physical access to.  I think that I know if I disable Docker from being able to start automatically that it should work again.
[22:46] <StartupProblems> How do I disable the process just by editing the filesystem rather than running "systemctl" commands.
[22:48] <blackflow> StartupProblems: remove the symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/docker.service    or whatsitcalled
[22:48] <StartupProblems> blackflow: you're a star tyvm I knew it would be something simple like this.
[22:50] <blackflow> StartupProblems: I'm not using docker so I don't know what else is there, but if something else pulls in the docker.service, you might need to "mask" it, by creating that symlink back, except link it to /dev/null and not into /lib/systemd/...
[22:51] <blackflow> and btw you can chroot into your on-disk root and systemctl commands to enable|disable|mask services
[22:51] <blackflow> and *use
[22:52] <StartupProblems> blackflow: I was looking up the commands to do that chroot option
[22:52] <StartupProblems> Then I thought I could disable things if I asked in here in parallel
[22:59] <StartupProblems> I guess I was wrong its apparently not docker thats stopping the boot process.
[23:00] <StartupProblems> If anyone can suggest another way to debug why the system won't boot that'd be incredibly useful.
[23:04] <blackflow> StartupProblems: if journal forwards to syslog (default) you might peek into /var/log/syslog
[23:05] <blackflow> StartupProblems: meanwhile, surely there's some kind of virtual remote console you can utilize to "look at the boot screen"?
[23:09] <StartupProblems> blackflow: there is a remote console on the more expensive hosting service at OVH but this is just a crap dev sever from Kimsufi so just a recovery mode
[23:11] <blackflow> and to think OVH (their enterprise line) is actually considered on the budget side of hosting :)  well, if there's nothing in the syslog and you don't have a (virtual) console, you're out of luck.
[23:11] <StartupProblems> I imagine I can check the syslog
[23:14] <asenssy> hi there... I want to consume API with curl
[23:14] <asenssy> This is a sample request for authentication using curl:
[23:14] <asenssy> 1
[23:14] <asenssy> 	curl –header “Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded” –data
[23:14] <asenssy> 2
[23:14] <asenssy> 	“client_id=YourClientKey&client_secret=YourClientSecret&username=YourUsername&password=YourPassword&grant_type=password” https://portal.bitcurb/token
[23:14] <asenssy> could someone help
[23:15] <asenssy> are --header and --date valid options
[23:15] <asenssy> for curl
[23:16] <HellFire> asenssy: --header and --data are valid, yes
[23:17] <asenssy> thank you
[23:32] <prasket> I am on 18.04 and starting yesterday I am getting `Err:11 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/strycore/xUbuntu_18.04 ./ Release.gpg
[23:32] <prasket>   The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 2F7F0DA5FD5B64B9 home:strycore OBS Project <home:strycore@build.opensuse.org>` Anyone else seeing this?
[23:34] <OerHeks> prasket, good luck, such external repos are not supported ( here)
[23:34] <prasket> see I thought that was weird, I never remember installing that one. So I guess I assumed it was native. I will take this elsewhere them. Thanks for pointing that out.
[23:35] <OerHeks> all our repos start with ubuntu :-)
[23:35] <OerHeks> you might have followed a wrong manual, or a frankenstein manual that says it can be done
[23:39] <prasket> :) probably
[23:41] <Guest84895> ciao
[23:41] <Guest84895> !list
[23:42] <Pskol> @@
[23:55] <blackflow> prasket: probably some repo from the OpenSuse Build Service (that does other distros too)