| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: lsp-plugins entering autobuillds (Already, I know!) | 03:14 |
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| Eickmeyer | Some of the credit goes to trebmuh for having some of the work done already. :) | 03:15 |
| trebmuh | hi Eickmeyer | 12:47 |
| trebmuh | question: why removing all the info in d/changelog? | 12:48 |
| trebmuh | remark: d/copyright : the licence for "*" needs to be changed to LGPL-3 as it is the current licence | 12:48 |
| trebmuh | remark: you need to clean d/rules since you are currently building the package with KXstudio rules | 12:49 |
| trebmuh | eg: using pkg-config from /opt/kxstudio/lib/pkgconfig which doesn't sounds good to me while building the package in a Ubuntu chroot context | 12:51 |
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| Eickmeyer | trebmuh: I had to clean the changelog rather quickly. There were too many epohs. Epochs need to be avoided at all costs. | 14:31 |
| Eickmeyer | I'll put the relevant info back, but overall, the changelog needs a lot of work. | 14:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, the license file needs work. I'm far from done.. | 14:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Also, the rules file builds just fine, so I don't see any reason to clean it too much. | 14:33 |
| Eickmeyer | But, yes, I'lll get rid of the kxstudio reference. | 14:33 |
| Eickmeyer | It's all just very early stages. | 14:33 |
| Eickmeyer | trebmuh: There's nothing in the rules file for using pkg-config from /opt/kxstudio/pkgconfig, so I can't find what you're talking about. | 14:43 |
| Eickmeyer | trebmuh: Oops, was looking at the wrong repo. Disregard. | 14:45 |
| Eickmeyer | trebmuh: Pushed those fixes. Thanks! | 14:54 |
| Eickmeyer | Rosco2: Congrats on the upload rights for the package set!!!!!! | 17:58 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: ^ | 17:58 |
| Eickmeyer | sakrecoer: ^^ | 17:58 |
| Rosco2 | \o/ | 18:02 |
| Rosco2 | Now I have no excuse for not doing any work :-) | 18:03 |
| Eickmeyer | Haha! Well, it was two years in the making and took a lot of pushing and shoving, but you've finally "arrived." | 18:03 |
| Eickmeyer | Possibly 3 years, if you look at the history leading up to it. | 18:04 |
| Eickmeyer | I've been encouraged to apply next, but I think I want to get another package under my belt. | 18:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Thats' why https://launchpad.net/lsp-plugins is now a thing and available in our Autobuilds. | 18:05 |
| Rosco2 | As long as I am available, there is no hurry. I can now sponsor anything you do in the package set. | 18:08 |
| Eickmeyer | This would be an entirely new package, so I'm going to have to go through the whole MOTU -> Archive Admin process like I did with Carla. | 18:09 |
| Rosco2 | Of course NEW stuff like lsp-plugins will need a MOTU | 18:09 |
| Rosco2 | Yes - the Debian path is blocked for a few months | 18:09 |
| Rosco2 | Nearly done with Hexter in Debian. Can get that synced, although it will need unblocking now we are in Beta. | 18:10 |
| Rosco2 | Then I will look at x42 | 18:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, cool. Mira Mikes has gone MIA. | 18:11 |
| Eickmeyer | He's got a huge TODO backlog, including x42. | 18:11 |
| Rosco2 | Yeah - he was prolific, but got busy | 18:11 |
| Rosco2 | I would like to get some sort of a package tracker set up to monitor our packages | 18:12 |
| Eickmeyer | I think we can all relate. | 18:12 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm trying to think of a way to do that in Launchpad, but I don't know. | 18:12 |
| Eickmeyer | Perhaps the packageset script shows something? | 18:13 |
| Eickmeyer | cyphermox: ^ ? | 18:13 |
| Rosco2 | You can extract the source packages from the package set in Launchpad | 18:13 |
| Rosco2 | Then you can interogate launchpad for version in different releases and bugs | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | hum, sorry, what is the question? | 18:14 |
| Rosco2 | you can also interrogate UDD for Debian info | 18:14 |
| Eickmeyer | cyphermox: We're trying to figure out what a good way to get a package tracker set up to monitor our packages. | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | ah | 18:15 |
| Eickmeyer | I was wondering if you had ideas. | 18:15 |
| cyphermox | I do | 18:15 |
| cyphermox | something like this? http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/desktop.html | 18:16 |
| Eickmeyer | Uh, that would be perfect. Rosco2 ^ | 18:17 |
| Rosco2 | Yes - I had tried mucking about with launchpad-lib from scratch. | 18:17 |
| Rosco2 | Better to steal something. | 18:17 |
| * Eickmeyer figured there had to be something already done | 18:18 | |
| Rosco2 | That looks like a good start :-) | 18:18 |
| cyphermox | Rosco2: Eickmeyer: ask seb128 or Laney in #ubuntu-desktop where the script is for this and if you could steal it ;) | 18:18 |
| * Eickmeyer joins | 18:18 | |
| cyphermox | they are both from Europe so they may or may not answer just yet | 18:18 |
| studiobot | <azbulutlu> grats Rosco2 | 18:19 |
| cyphermox | didrocks is also a potential victim ;) | 18:19 |
| Eickmeyer | Rosco2: azbulutlu = eylul- | 18:20 |
| studiobot | <azbulutlu> I really need to clarify that (or change my telegram name xD) | 18:20 |
| Eickmeyer | Haha | 18:20 |
| cyphermox | you asked in public or pm? | 18:22 |
| Eickmeyer | cyphermox: I haven't asked yet. None of those that you mentioned are in the room. | 18:22 |
| Rosco2 | Thanks :-) | 18:22 |
| cyphermox | oh | 18:22 |
| Eickmeyer | And, I've been busy with other pings. They come in waves. :) | 18:22 |
| cyphermox | solid point! | 18:23 |
| Eickmeyer | Hehe | 18:23 |
| cyphermox | I have a hard time seeing if people are in or out, my part messages don't always show | 18:23 |
| cyphermox | (or quits for that matter) | 18:23 |
| * cyphermox stabs weechat | 18:23 | |
| Eickmeyer | Well, I'm lurking in there, so we'll see what happens. | 18:23 |
| cyphermox | ok | 18:23 |
| cyphermox | sorry, I can't really help much more, I don't know what generates those | 18:24 |
| cyphermox | hm... I could go look though, I might have access :) | 18:24 |
| Eickmeyer | cyphermox: Pointing us in the right direction was perfect, but if you have access.... :) | 18:24 |
| Rosco2 | Well - we need to concentrate on ISO testing & bug fixing for a bit :-) | 18:24 |
| Eickmeyer | I use Quassel with a separate core on the same server that's running studiobot, so I never really disconnect. | 18:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Rosco2: This is true. Beta is on Thursday. I plan to do a bunch of that stuff today, new computer on the way. | 18:25 |
| Eickmeyer | Not just for testing, but for mutliple uses. The timing is just right. | 18:25 |
| Rosco2 | This is the first release for a while that I have a play computer | 18:27 |
| Rosco2 | I have had to be careful for a while not to break my good machines | 18:27 |
| * Rosco2 going to find food - it hasn't come to me today | 18:27 | |
| cyphermox | Eickmeyer: I have enough to tell you the code is here: | 18:27 |
| cyphermox | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-desktop-versions/trunk | 18:27 |
| Eickmeyer | cyphermox: Okay, perfect. Shouldn't be hard to fork, but then it needs to be hosted. | 18:28 |
| Rosco2 | Excellent! Thanks cyphermox | 18:28 |
| cyphermox | yep | 18:28 |
| cyphermox | so; you might still want to ask seb or Laney or didrocks if they can host it for you | 18:29 |
| Rosco2 | It can go on my people page until we get it working properly | 18:29 |
| cyphermox | and if you have changes; submit a merge proposal, I'm sure they'll be happy to review / merge | 18:29 |
| cyphermox | it's not only a page though, it's a script that needs to be run | 18:29 |
| Eickmeyer | I just posted in there in general. Hopefully the right people will see. | 18:29 |
| cyphermox | if necessary, I'll be happy to host it /after/ I finish rebuilding that server (which needs to happen this week) | 18:29 |
| Eickmeyer | If not, I could always ping them. | 18:30 |
| cyphermox | Eickmeyer: Rosco2: you'll still be left with how to see what packages you care about | 18:30 |
| cyphermox | either using team subcriptions, if you want to use that | 18:30 |
| Eickmeyer | willcooke just respoded. | 18:30 |
| cyphermox | or you could look at edit-acl (https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/edit-acl) to see how to get the list of packages in a packageset programmatically | 18:31 |
| Rosco2 | the packageset report gets the list of packages from launchpad | 18:32 |
| Rosco2 | Lot os options! | 18:33 |
| Rosco2 | of | 18:33 |
| * Rosco2 really going to get food before I faint | 18:33 | |
| cyphermox | Rosco2: the pacakgeset report? | 18:35 |
| cyphermox | oh, true | 18:35 |
| cyphermox | there's lots of scripts that can do it anyway, since IIRC it's a well-documented API call | 18:35 |
| cyphermox | Eickmeyer: do you know who owns ubuntustudio.org? | 18:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Canonical. | 18:36 |
| cyphermox | ah? | 18:37 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, I don't have access to it, except the Wordpress front-end. | 18:37 |
| Eickmeyer | Everything has to go through IS, afaik. | 18:38 |
| cyphermox | oh, right; the DNS is canonical | 18:38 |
| cyphermox | hrm | 18:39 |
| cyphermox | so is the hosting, it seems | 18:39 |
| cyphermox | I had no idea | 18:39 |
| OvenWerks | Rosco2: congrats! now just time... | 19:28 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: falktx made a good point at LAC. "falktx> stable release with rolling audio audio packages is the best" | 19:35 |
| OvenWerks | I think this is what we are doing with back ports. However, I think it would be a good thing to document it as such as well. | 19:36 |
| Rosco2 | Thanks OvenWerks, now maybe we should stop stealing your good work and sponsor your packages. Having three uploaders would be a dream :-) | 19:38 |
| OvenWerks | That is, rather suggesting people upgrade to "intermeiate releases" have a policy that in general LTS releases (ubuntu repo LST) is the best install. Adding backports for applications to keep up to date | 19:39 |
| OvenWerks | Rosco2: I am sure uploaders are great. I won't be going there though. I have too much on my plate already | 19:40 |
| Rosco2 | Sure - but some of your packages got uploaded with only be changing the name. They were already in good shape. | 19:41 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: intermediat releases would be considered Beta only. And all work on them would be prep for next LTS... ie no backdrop change or other such "fluff" | 19:42 |
| OvenWerks | Rosco2: I am not sure what you mean really. The only two packages I think are -controls and -installer | 19:42 |
| OvenWerks | I do try to keep them clean because they belong to Studio. | 19:43 |
| Rosco2 | Two packages, but several version were uploaded. No problems. | 19:43 |
| OvenWerks | cool. | 19:43 |
| Rosco2 | No pressure :-) | 19:43 |
| OvenWerks | I have work to do in Ardour as well. I am part way through an Ardour progect that I have left for a few months while working on those packages. | 19:45 |
| * OvenWerks finds GUI work hard | 19:45 | |
| Rosco2 | Personally I like the idea of intermediate releases. The work in testing and writing is a small proce for the generation of publicity from an announcement. | 19:46 |
| Rosco2 | me/ finds any programming slow and hard - but fun | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | My personal thought is that if we have the testing "staff" that is fine but I haven't any time for testing for maybe two releases | 19:49 |
| OvenWerks | intermediate releases are also good for people with new HW that needs kernel support. As such they should work but polish beyond the last LTS is not as important | 19:51 |
| OvenWerks | Rosco2: I think announcement of a new package available in backports can also be used for publicity as these aften come between releases. | 19:58 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: ^^ | 19:58 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That's really what we're working toward, IMO. | 20:00 |
| Eickmeyer | I did some fluff this time because, well, I had the time. | 20:01 |
| Eickmeyer | But, the real highlights are the features in -controls and -installer. | 20:01 |
| OvenWerks | which is fine too as that is work towards the next lts too | 20:01 |
| Eickmeyer | And the inclusion of Crla. | 20:01 |
| Eickmeyer | *Carla | 20:01 |
| Eickmeyer | All of the intermediate releases eventually reach a zenith at the LTS. | 20:02 |
| OvenWerks | LSP will be in back ports too? | 20:02 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That's the plan. | 20:02 |
| Eickmeyer | What I have is a stable release, but I want to get the packaging cleaned-up a bit. | 20:02 |
| OvenWerks | so upstream -> backports -> release | 20:03 |
| Eickmeyer | One person said I should split-out the lv2, ladspa, and VST plugins into separate packages, but seeing as how we have the infrastructure for all 3 by default (and not all 3 are supported by every DAW), I don't see the point. | 20:03 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Bingo. | 20:04 |
| OvenWerks | so long as the LV1 doesn't crash things | 20:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Really, upsream -> Autobuilds -> Backports (once stable) -> release. | 20:04 |
| Eickmeyer | LV1 shouldn't in this case. We're not talking about Calf here. | 20:05 |
| OvenWerks | having the ladspa separate still makes sense | 20:05 |
| OvenWerks | there was another ladspa package that was problematical too: csladspa | 20:06 |
| OvenWerks | but I think that was ladspa only | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That's because the version that was pulled from Debian during Bionic was known to be problematic and had a bug fix shortly after. | 20:07 |
| OvenWerks | has it been backported? | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Nope. | 20:07 |
| OvenWerks | is it past eol? | 20:08 |
| Eickmeyer | The issue was fixed before Cosmic. | 20:08 |
| Eickmeyer | Bionic is 18.04, so no, it would just need an SRU. | 20:08 |
| Eickmeyer | BUT, I think it was fixed before release but didn't make it into the ISO, so people are filing bugs without updating their system first. I always shudder when I see bug reports for a "fresh install" because it means, typically, they didn't update it. | 20:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Honestly, I don't remember correctly. I do remember participating in a bug report on it and investigating. | 20:10 |
| Rosco2 | Eickmeyer, Have you heard of the backportpackage tool in ubuntu-dev-tools | 20:13 |
| Rosco2 | It is really easy to use | 20:13 |
| Rosco2 | Assume a package makes it into Debian quickly, you don't need to package the new upstream | 20:14 |
| Rosco2 | Just use the backportpackage tool to backport from the Ubuntu development release | 20:15 |
| Rosco2 | Assuming Debian reacts fast is not always true though ;-) | 20:15 |
| Eickmeyer | Rosco2: That's really cool. | 20:19 |
| * Eickmeyer needs a nap. | 20:20 | |
| stormchas2000 | Good afternoon, I have been using Ubuntu for 10 years. and ubuntu studio for 2 years. | 23:14 |
| stormchas2000 | I would like to help where ever I can. I am still very green in development, but maybe in testing or other areas I can help. | 23:15 |
| Eickmeyer | stormchas2000: Thanks for the offer. We're just about to hit our beta testing period, which is testing and bug-squish time for 19.04. Announcement should be Thursday on that, but you're welcome to grab the latest daily ISO and give it a shot at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ | 23:23 |
| Eickmeyer | Right now, that's the image that should become our beta image if everything goes right. | 23:24 |
| stormchas2000 | Thank you, I will look it over. and as I need help I will ask, since this will be my first time. But i feel that i should start helping out since I have benifited so much with Ubuntu. | 23:38 |
| Eickmeyer | stormchas2000: There's no reason to feel such obligation, but we appreciate the help. | 23:40 |
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