[03:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: lsp-plugins entering autobuillds (Already, I know!)
[03:15] <Eickmeyer> Some of the credit goes to trebmuh for having some of the work done already. :)
[12:47] <trebmuh> hi Eickmeyer 
[12:48] <trebmuh> question: why removing all the info in d/changelog?
[12:48] <trebmuh> remark: d/copyright : the licence for "*" needs to be changed to LGPL-3 as it is the current licence
[12:49] <trebmuh> remark: you need to clean d/rules since you are currently building the package with KXstudio rules
[12:51] <trebmuh> eg: using pkg-config from /opt/kxstudio/lib/pkgconfig which doesn't sounds good to me while building the package in a Ubuntu chroot context
[14:31] <Eickmeyer> trebmuh: I had to clean the changelog rather quickly. There were too many epohs. Epochs need to be avoided at all costs.
[14:31] <Eickmeyer> I'll put the relevant info back, but overall, the changelog needs a lot of work.
[14:32] <Eickmeyer> Yes, the license file needs work. I'm far from done..
[14:33] <Eickmeyer> Also, the rules file builds just fine, so I don't see any reason to clean it too much.
[14:33] <Eickmeyer> But, yes, I'lll get rid of the kxstudio reference.
[14:33] <Eickmeyer> It's all just very early stages.
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> trebmuh: There's nothing in the rules file for using pkg-config from /opt/kxstudio/pkgconfig, so I can't find what you're talking about.
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> trebmuh: Oops, was looking at the wrong repo. Disregard.
[14:54] <Eickmeyer> trebmuh: Pushed those fixes. Thanks!
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> Rosco2: Congrats on the upload rights for the package set!!!!!!
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer: ^^
[18:02] <Rosco2> \o/
[18:03] <Rosco2> Now I have no excuse for not doing any work :-)
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> Haha! Well, it was two years in the making and took a lot of pushing and shoving, but you've finally "arrived."
[18:04] <Eickmeyer> Possibly 3 years, if you look at the history leading up to it.
[18:04] <Eickmeyer> I've been encouraged to apply next, but I think I want to get another package under my belt.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Thats' why https://launchpad.net/lsp-plugins is now a thing and available in our Autobuilds.
[18:08] <Rosco2> As long as I am available, there is no hurry. I can now sponsor anything you do in the package set.
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> This would be an entirely new package, so I'm going to have to go through the whole MOTU -> Archive Admin process like I did with Carla.
[18:09] <Rosco2> Of course NEW stuff like lsp-plugins will need a MOTU
[18:09] <Rosco2> Yes - the Debian path is blocked for a few months
[18:10] <Rosco2> Nearly done with Hexter in Debian. Can get that synced, although it will need unblocking now we are in Beta.
[18:10] <Rosco2> Then I will look at x42
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> Okay, cool. Mira Mikes has gone MIA.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> He's got a huge TODO backlog, including x42.
[18:11] <Rosco2> Yeah - he was prolific, but got busy
[18:12] <Rosco2> I would like to get some sort of a package tracker set up to monitor our packages
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> I think we can all relate.
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> I'm trying to think of a way to do that in Launchpad, but I don't know.
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps the packageset script shows something?
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: ^ ?
[18:13] <Rosco2> You can extract the source packages from the package set in Launchpad
[18:14] <Rosco2> Then you can interogate launchpad for version in different releases and bugs
[18:14] <cyphermox> hum, sorry, what is the question?
[18:14] <Rosco2> you can also interrogate UDD for Debian info
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: We're trying to figure out what a good way to get a package tracker set up to monitor our packages.
[18:15] <cyphermox> ah
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> I was wondering if you had ideas.
[18:15] <cyphermox> I do
[18:16] <cyphermox> something like this? http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/desktop.html
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> Uh, that would be perfect. Rosco2 ^
[18:17] <Rosco2> Yes - I had tried mucking about with launchpad-lib from scratch.
[18:17] <Rosco2> Better to steal something.
[18:18]  * Eickmeyer figured there had to be something already done
[18:18] <Rosco2> That looks like a good start :-)
[18:18] <cyphermox> Rosco2: Eickmeyer: ask seb128 or Laney in #ubuntu-desktop where the script is for this and if you could steal it ;)
[18:18]  * Eickmeyer joins
[18:18] <cyphermox> they are both from Europe so they may or may not answer just yet
 grats Rosco2
[18:19] <cyphermox> didrocks is also a potential victim ;)
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> Rosco2: azbulutlu = eylul-
 I really need to clarify that (or change my telegram name xD)
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> Haha
[18:22] <cyphermox> you asked in public or pm?
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: I haven't asked yet. None of those that you mentioned are in the room.
[18:22] <Rosco2> Thanks :-)
[18:22] <cyphermox> oh
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> And, I've been busy with other pings. They come in waves. :)
[18:23] <cyphermox> solid point!
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Hehe
[18:23] <cyphermox> I have a hard time seeing if people are in or out, my part messages don't always show
[18:23] <cyphermox> (or quits for that matter)
[18:23]  * cyphermox stabs weechat
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Well, I'm lurking in there, so we'll see what happens.
[18:23] <cyphermox> ok
[18:24] <cyphermox> sorry, I can't really help much more, I don't know what generates those
[18:24] <cyphermox> hm... I could go look though, I might have access :)
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Pointing us in the right direction was perfect, but if you have access.... :)
[18:24] <Rosco2> Well - we need to concentrate on ISO testing & bug fixing for a bit :-)
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> I use Quassel with a separate core on the same server that's running studiobot, so I never really disconnect.
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> Rosco2: This is true. Beta is on Thursday. I plan to do a bunch of that stuff today, new computer on the way.
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> Not just for testing, but for mutliple uses. The timing is just right.
[18:27] <Rosco2> This is the first release for a while that I have a play computer
[18:27] <Rosco2> I have had to be careful for a while not to break my good machines
[18:27]  * Rosco2 going to find food - it hasn't come to me today
[18:27] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: I have enough to tell you the code is here:
[18:27] <cyphermox> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-desktop-versions/trunk
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Okay, perfect. Shouldn't be hard to fork, but then it needs to be hosted.
[18:28] <Rosco2> Excellent! Thanks cyphermox
[18:28] <cyphermox> yep
[18:29] <cyphermox> so; you might still want to ask seb or Laney or didrocks if they can host it for you
[18:29] <Rosco2> It can go on my people page until we get it working properly
[18:29] <cyphermox> and if you have changes; submit a merge proposal, I'm sure they'll be happy to review / merge
[18:29] <cyphermox> it's not only a page though, it's a script that needs to be run
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> I just posted in there in general. Hopefully the right people will see.
[18:29] <cyphermox> if necessary, I'll be happy to host it /after/ I finish rebuilding that server (which needs to happen this week)
[18:30] <Eickmeyer> If not, I could always ping them.
[18:30] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: Rosco2: you'll still be left with how to see what packages you care about
[18:30] <cyphermox> either using team subcriptions, if you want to use that
[18:30] <Eickmeyer> willcooke just respoded.
[18:31] <cyphermox> or you could look at edit-acl (https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/edit-acl) to see how to get the list of packages in a packageset programmatically
[18:32] <Rosco2> the packageset report gets the list of packages from launchpad
[18:33] <Rosco2> Lot os options!
[18:33] <Rosco2> of
[18:33]  * Rosco2 really going to get food before I faint
[18:35] <cyphermox> Rosco2: the pacakgeset report?
[18:35] <cyphermox> oh, true
[18:35] <cyphermox> there's lots of scripts that can do it anyway, since IIRC it's a well-documented API call
[18:36] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: do you know who owns ubuntustudio.org?
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> Canonical.
[18:37] <cyphermox> ah?
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> Well, I don't have access to it, except the Wordpress front-end.
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> Everything has to go through IS, afaik.
[18:38] <cyphermox> oh, right; the DNS is canonical
[18:39] <cyphermox> hrm
[18:39] <cyphermox> so is the hosting, it seems
[18:39] <cyphermox> I had no idea
[19:28] <OvenWerks> Rosco2: congrats! now just time...
[19:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: falktx made a good point at LAC. "falktx> stable release with rolling audio audio packages is the best"
[19:36] <OvenWerks> I think this is what we are doing with back ports. However, I think it would be a good thing to document it as such as well.
[19:38] <Rosco2> Thanks OvenWerks, now maybe we should stop stealing your good work and sponsor your packages. Having three uploaders would be a dream :-)
[19:39] <OvenWerks> That is, rather suggesting people upgrade to "intermeiate releases" have a policy that in general LTS releases (ubuntu repo LST) is the best install. Adding backports for applications to keep up to date
[19:40] <OvenWerks> Rosco2: I am sure uploaders are great. I won't be going there though. I have too much on my plate already
[19:41] <Rosco2> Sure - but some of your packages got uploaded with only be changing the name. They were already in good shape.
[19:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: intermediat releases would be considered Beta only. And all work on them would be prep for next LTS... ie no backdrop change or other such "fluff"
[19:42] <OvenWerks> Rosco2: I am not sure what you mean really. The only two packages I think are -controls and -installer
[19:43] <OvenWerks> I do try to keep them clean because they belong to Studio.
[19:43] <Rosco2> Two packages, but several version were uploaded. No problems.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> cool.
[19:43] <Rosco2> No pressure :-)
[19:45] <OvenWerks> I have work to do in Ardour as well. I am part way through an Ardour progect that I have left for a few months while working on those packages.
[19:45]  * OvenWerks finds GUI work hard
[19:46] <Rosco2> Personally I like the idea of intermediate releases. The work in testing and writing is a small proce for the generation of publicity from an announcement.
[19:47] <Rosco2> me/ finds any programming slow and hard - but fun
[19:49] <OvenWerks> My personal thought is that if we have the testing "staff" that is fine but I haven't any time for testing for maybe two releases
[19:51] <OvenWerks> intermediate releases are also good for people with new HW that needs kernel support. As such they should work but polish beyond the last LTS is not as important
[19:58] <OvenWerks> Rosco2: I think announcement of a new package available in backports can also be used for publicity as these aften come between releases.
[19:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's really what we're working toward, IMO.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> I did some fluff this time because, well, I had the time.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> But, the real highlights are the features in -controls and -installer.
[20:01] <OvenWerks> which is fine too as that is work towards the next lts too
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> And the inclusion of Crla.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> *Carla
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> All of the intermediate releases eventually reach a zenith at the LTS.
[20:02] <OvenWerks> LSP will be in back ports too?
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's the plan.
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> What I have is a stable release, but I want to get the packaging cleaned-up a bit.
[20:03] <OvenWerks> so upstream -> backports -> release
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> One person said I should split-out the lv2, ladspa, and VST plugins into separate packages, but seeing as how we have the infrastructure for all 3 by default (and not all 3 are supported by every DAW), I don't see the point.
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Bingo.
[20:04] <OvenWerks> so long as the LV1 doesn't crash things
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> Really, upsream -> Autobuilds -> Backports (once stable) -> release.
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> LV1 shouldn't in this case. We're not talking about Calf here.
[20:05] <OvenWerks> having the ladspa separate still makes sense
[20:06] <OvenWerks> there was another ladspa package that was problematical too: csladspa
[20:07] <OvenWerks> but I think that was ladspa only
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's because the version that was pulled from Debian during Bionic was known to be problematic and had a bug fix shortly after.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> has it been backported?
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> Nope.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> is it past eol?
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> The issue was fixed before Cosmic.
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> Bionic is 18.04, so no, it would just need an SRU.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> BUT, I think it was fixed before release but didn't make it into the ISO, so people are filing bugs without updating their system first. I always shudder when I see bug reports for a "fresh install" because it means, typically, they didn't update it.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, I don't remember correctly. I do remember participating in a bug report on it and investigating.
[20:13] <Rosco2> Eickmeyer, Have you heard of the backportpackage tool in ubuntu-dev-tools
[20:13] <Rosco2> It is really easy to use
[20:14] <Rosco2> Assume a package makes it into Debian quickly, you don't need to package the new upstream
[20:15] <Rosco2> Just use the backportpackage tool to backport from the Ubuntu development release
[20:15] <Rosco2> Assuming Debian reacts fast is not always true though ;-)
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> Rosco2: That's really cool.
[20:20]  * Eickmeyer needs a nap.
[23:14] <stormchas2000> Good afternoon, I have been using Ubuntu for 10 years. and ubuntu studio for 2 years. 
[23:15] <stormchas2000> I would like to help where ever I can. I am still very green in development, but maybe in testing or other areas I can help.
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> stormchas2000: Thanks for the offer. We're just about to hit our beta testing period, which is testing and bug-squish time for 19.04. Announcement should be Thursday on that, but you're welcome to grab the latest daily ISO and give it a shot at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> Right now, that's the image that should become our beta image if everything goes right.
[23:38] <stormchas2000> Thank you, I will look it over. and as I need help I will ask, since this will be my first time. But i feel that i should start helping out since I have benifited so much with Ubuntu.
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> stormchas2000: There's no reason to feel such obligation, but we appreciate the help.