| __Myst__ | brainwash: told me to do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| __Myst__ | updated the alternative | 00:02 |
| __Myst__ | nothing changed | 00:02 |
| brainwash | doesn't sound like it should have any effect | 00:03 |
| brainwash | if you use the Xfce session | 00:03 |
| ninebits | i seem to be unable to install xubuntu over lubuntu. I've created a usb drive with the installer, place it in the lubuntu machine's usb port, and restart, but it doesn't boot into xubuntu. are there common mistakes people make when doing this? | 00:39 |
| brainwash | ninebits: did you check if the usb drive is detected in the bios/uefi? | 00:42 |
| ninebits | i have been messing around in bios, but i'm a bit scared of it | 00:43 |
| ninebits | i may be trying to be too careful | 00:43 |
| brainwash | I guess you probably did to ensure that the boot priority is correct | 00:43 |
| ninebits | well, in my bios, i don't really see a boot priority | 00:43 |
| ninebits | you're talking about CD-ROM, USB, HardDrive, etc... right? | 00:44 |
| brainwash | yes | 00:44 |
| ninebits | ya, i'm not seeing anything like that in my bios. | 00:44 |
| ninebits | crazy. | 00:44 |
| ninebits | i'm going to reboot into bios and make some notes. | 00:45 |
| brainwash | got any other PC? | 00:45 |
| ninebits | ya, i'll get my daughters' and see if i can get hexchat going there | 00:46 |
| ninebits | bbiab | 00:46 |
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| ilias_gr | hi all. I am on xubuntu 18.04.2. Sometimes (not always) after the system starts I see on my panel 2 icons of nm aplet. One for Status Notifier Plugin and one for Notification Area. Other times only the icon for Status Notifier Plugin was shown. I read about this issue affecting other users too. Is there any permanent solution instead of just restart the panel (xfce4-panel -r) which works but not permanently? | 05:58 |
| nikolam | Thunar dies if I drag-and-drop image form Thunar to the Thunderbird session, Thunderbird started with ssh -X , as another user on machine. | 08:57 |
| * pikapika diogenes_ | 15:14 | |
| * diogenes_ roger that pikapika :) | 15:14 | |
| pikapika | :) | 15:15 |
| spyke581 | Is it possible to add an afp network share to the fstab? Or any other way to mount an AFP share on boot? | 15:19 |
| GridCube | spyke581: https://stackoverflow.org/wiki/Mount_an_AFP_share_from_Linux | 15:24 |
| GridCube | but that's not like official or anything | 15:24 |
| GridCube | so if you do that you're on your own | 15:24 |
| GridCube | in any case if that works you just need to make that a script that executes when you boot, not in fstab but still | 15:25 |
| spyke581 | alright ill check it out. thanks | 15:26 |
| supersoniczeus | hi, I have an issue on XUBUNTU 18.04. Can anyone help me, please? | 15:30 |
| diogenes_ | supersoniczeus, would you let us guess what the issue is? | 15:30 |
| supersoniczeus | thank you. I recently updated my xubuntu to 18.04 and during FIRST startup the mouse lags; I have to reboot my system to make work as expected | 15:31 |
| supersoniczeus | I have do this always ... it's annoying | 15:32 |
| supersoniczeus | I tried to find info around, then I decided to join the channel | 15:32 |
| diogenes_ | supersoniczeus, your mouse and what about the touchpad? | 15:32 |
| supersoniczeus | It's a desktop PC, it haven't a touchpad | 15:33 |
| brainwash | did you try a simple relog? | 15:33 |
| supersoniczeus | The problem occours first the login | 15:33 |
| brainwash | or un+replugging the mouse | 15:34 |
| supersoniczeus | during startup the XUBUNTU label is not rendered properly | 15:34 |
| supersoniczeus | I think it's not about the mouse, but something related to graphics driver or so on | 15:35 |
| brainwash | probably | 15:36 |
| diogenes_ | supersoniczeus, have you got nvidia proprietary installed? | 15:37 |
| supersoniczeus | Rebooting the system (not halting!) resolves the issue, but every morning I have to do the same | 15:37 |
| supersoniczeus | No proprietary driver | 15:37 |
| brainwash | I would compare the output of "dmesg" and Xorg related log files in /var/log/ | 15:38 |
| brainwash | bad boot vs. good boot | 15:39 |
| supersoniczeus | What I have to search for? Unfortunately I am not so experienced! | 15:41 |
| brainwash | differences I guess | 15:42 |
| Axzercion | in the xorg logs any line that contains (EE) | 15:42 |
| brainwash | mainly lines which address gpu initialization and driver loading | 15:43 |
| brainwash | you can share the files here also | 15:44 |
| brainwash | via https://paste.ubuntu.com | 15:44 |
| supersoniczeus | well, in Xorg.0.log I see: | 15:44 |
| supersoniczeus | [ 28.071] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, | 15:44 |
| supersoniczeus | (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, | 15:44 |
| supersoniczeus | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. | 15:44 |
| supersoniczeus | [ 28.071] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Mar 26 09:16:19 2019 | 15:44 |
| supersoniczeus | [ 28.146] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" | 15:44 |
| brainwash | --> https://paste.ubuntu.com | 15:45 |
| supersoniczeus | pardon, this is my first IRC session. I paste another content here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RyxyD9h5TB/ | 15:47 |
| brainwash | looks like some generic output | 15:50 |
| brainwash | like said before, best to compare the file and output of "dmesg" from the two different states (bad boot and good boot) | 15:51 |
| supersoniczeus | Ah okay, I will try to perform comparison | 15:52 |
| diogenes_ | supersoniczeus, you could albo try to boot a previous kernel. | 15:53 |
| supersoniczeus | diogenes_, how can I do that? | 15:55 |
| diogenes_ | supersoniczeus, while booting keep shift key pressed down and once you reach grub menu, hit advanced and you gonna see several kernels to boot from | 15:56 |
| diogenes_ | chose the one with the minor version | 15:56 |
| supersoniczeus | okay. Saying that it works, what I have to do next? | 15:58 |
| diogenes_ | to lock down that kernel and make it default | 15:58 |
| supersoniczeus | okay | 15:58 |
| supersoniczeus | I am going to try this and going also to understand better the dmesg and xorg output. Thanks for now guys | 15:59 |
| diogenes_ | ok good luck | 15:59 |
| diogenes_ | come with a feedback | 16:00 |
| supersoniczeus | okay! Thanks! | 16:00 |
| supersoniczeus | diogenes_, brainwash: thanks again for the help. I uninstalled the new kernel and now it works like a charm! | 16:30 |
| diogenes_ | supersoniczeus, so it was the kernel issue? | 16:31 |
| supersoniczeus | I don't know if it was strictly related, but now it works properly. I made several tries, and I confirm that the problem occurred after a system update | 16:32 |
| supersoniczeus | now, my quiestion is: what will happen on the next system update? | 16:33 |
| diogenes_ | so you went back to use the older kernel? | 16:33 |
| diogenes_ | the system udate will not harm but the kernel might | 16:33 |
| supersoniczeus | yes, I wen back to old kernel linux-image-4.15.0-45 | 16:34 |
| supersoniczeus | the problem was with linux-image-4.15.0-46 | 16:34 |
| diogenes_ | right so as for now skip updates | 16:35 |
| supersoniczeus | is it possible to update and jump the linux-image-4.15.0-46? Or does xubuntu adopt an incremental update? | 16:35 |
| diogenes_ | until the kernel passes that particular version | 16:35 |
| GridCube | oor try the next one instead | 16:35 |
| supersoniczeus | yeah, I got it | 16:36 |
| supersoniczeus | thanks again guys | 16:36 |
| supersoniczeus | Have a nice day | 16:36 |
| xubuntu70w | hi, i installed xubuntu core via the ubuntu mini.iso. I want to theme xfce like it appears at default, but the xubuntu core package doesn't include xfce's standard themes. where can I install them? | 16:50 |
| diogenes_ | xubuntu70w, in synaptic, look for themes. | 16:56 |
| xubuntu70w | diogenes_ not seeing a package for the default xfce4 themes | 17:02 |
| xubuntu70w | diogenes_ I'm looking for the themes at the bottom of the list in first screenshot on this page https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance | 17:05 |
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| Spass | xubuntu70w, I think those themes weren't upgraded in a long time, so it probably isn't a best choice for new Xubuntu / Xfce | 17:08 |
| Spass | maybe try Adwaita or Greybird instead? | 17:08 |
| xubuntu70w | spass I like the 'retro' look of the older xfce themes | 17:10 |
| xubuntu70w | spass I found two packages in synaptic titled gtk2-engines-xfce and gtk3-engines-xfce, are those what I am looking for | 17:11 |
| Spass | probably yes | 17:11 |
| xubuntu70w | I don't want to download something that's not in the ubuntu repository | 17:11 |
| xubuntu70w | spass what's the difference between gtk2 and gtk3 and how does they differ in regard to the xubuntu core DE? | 17:12 |
| Spass | Adwaita, Greybird and Numix are in the official repositories | 17:12 |
| xubuntu70w | i trust xfce's own repository as well | 17:12 |
| Spass | basically most new applications are using GTK3, so they may not look good on an older/deprecated themes, like those you want, but nothing is stopping you from using those of course, I'm just saying that you may see some issues | 17:17 |
| xubuntu70w | ok thanks | 17:20 |
| xubuntu70w | spass: but xfce is primarily gtk2 correct? | 17:22 |
| Spass | currently Xfce is being ported to GTK3, but 18.04 LTS has Xfce version 4.12, so not many programs are GTK3 there | 17:24 |
| Spass | so depends on what version do you have installed, 18.04 or 18.10? | 17:24 |
| xubuntu70w | spass 18.04 | 17:27 |
| Spass | so you should be fine in most cases, but if you'll see an app that looks not ok, that could mean that it's a GTK3 app (like GNOME Disks for example) and new theme is required to display it properly, you have to try on your own I guess | 17:29 |
| xubuntu70w | ok, I'll try gtk2-engines-xfce and see if that works | 17:29 |
| Spass | anyway, Adwaita, Numix and/or Greybird are themes, that you could have as a backup | 17:29 |
| sm0rux | From today I get an error message (https://send.firefox.com/download/84e917f0a1/#IOZvfeMnFIqhXrB-8eRZXg) each time | 17:53 |
| sm0rux | I restart my laptop. When I click "Report problem" nothing happens. How can I find out what cases the message? | 17:55 |
| Spass | sm0rux, see what's in your /var/crash/ folder, it should tell you what's causing the problem | 18:05 |
| Spass | then, you can try to delete files within it and restart | 18:05 |
| sm0rux | Spass: Thanks a zillion, highly appreciated! I'll give your advice a try! | 18:09 |
| sm0rux | Spass: Your advice seems to work. Again I'm so impressed by the power of all you guys in this channel! | 18:16 |
| Spass | good to hear | 18:17 |
| sm0rux | Spass: Thank you for your help! | 18:20 |
| Spass | glad that my hint helped in your case | 18:20 |
| johanhelmuth | Hey, do you guys know any pre-install software on a new installation that is known to "break" the system if removed, even though the name and description of the software sounds/look unrelated to anything that would be considered "unsafe" to remove? I just installed Xubuntu, removed a lot of bloaty software that wouldn't need, tried to make sure that I would only remove software that seemed unrelated | 22:07 |
| johanhelmuth | to anything important (based on name and description), yet it completely broke my system. | 22:07 |
| johanhelmuth | Tried to look for a compiled list online for pointers, but couldn't find anything really. | 22:07 |
| gnrp | johanhelmuth: What is "completely broken"? | 22:26 |
| gnrp | it is difficult to determine your judgement of "useful sounding software" ;) | 22:26 |
| johanhelmuth | Yeah, you are right. A second glance at my text and I realize no useful information was in there, sorry about that. :P | 22:28 |
| Spass | johanhelmuth, hello, I think I saw a related thread somewhere lately, and the solution was to install xfdesktop again, iirc, can't find it now | 22:32 |
| johanhelmuth | So after removing games, application finder, bluetooth adapters/manager, catfish, dictionary, mail reader, onboard, onboard settings, parole, power manager (i'm using a desktop, not a laptop, not useful for me?), ristretto - after reboot and then login, no desktop or anything shows up. I can only see my background, no panel, no desktop-menu (righ-click) no nothing. | 22:32 |
| Spass | it was probably about thunderbird | 22:32 |
| Spass | do you see your mouse cursor? | 22:33 |
| johanhelmuth | Yes I do | 22:33 |
| johanhelmuth | The only thing I see | 22:33 |
| Spass | yeah, check if you have xfdesktop installed | 22:33 |
| johanhelmuth | Well, problem is that I reinstalled everything, haha | 22:33 |
| johanhelmuth | I just haven't removed anythign this time around, yet | 22:34 |
| Spass | did you remove thunderbird last time? | 22:34 |
| johanhelmuth | I did actually, yeah! | 22:34 |
| johanhelmuth | That's annoying, since I prefer Mailspring over Thunderbird >:( | 22:34 |
| Spass | hmm, so maybe I remember that correctly then, I need to find the exact thread | 22:34 |
| johanhelmuth | Also, I have to say, the amount of games I have installed by default is pretty ridiculous, haha. :D | 22:36 |
| Spass | here, but I've seen another one too, https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/awfvzr/why_does_removing_mail_reader_remove_the_desktop/ | 22:36 |
| johanhelmuth | Thanks! | 22:37 |
| johanhelmuth | Ooh! I removed mail reader as well as thunderbird last time | 22:37 |
| johanhelmuth | Maybe removing Thunderbird is fine, but not mail reader? | 22:37 |
| Spass | I'm not sure what exact package causes the issue unfortunately, but yeah, mail reader/thunderbird is the suspect here | 22:40 |
| johanhelmuth | I will remove and reboot one at a time, will see which one it is that messes it up | 22:42 |
| Spass | you're using 18.04? | 22:42 |
| brainwash | mail reader is not a mail reader, but a shortcut to your preferred mail reader (provided by the essential component "exo") | 22:45 |
| brainwash | same for "web browser" | 22:46 |
| Spass | another report of the same issue - https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/b4jlwy/xubuntu_in_netbook_problems/ej7vmc3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x | 22:47 |
| brainwash | I did not check the reddit posts, but it's bug 1783764 | 22:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1783764 in exo (Ubuntu) "Deleting "Mail Reader" crashes the computer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783764 | 22:48 |
| Spass | johanhelmuth, so you probably was using Software (gnome-software) to remove those apps too, right? | 22:53 |
| johanhelmuth | Yeah, I'm using "Software 3.28.1" to remove | 22:56 |
| johanhelmuth | Would you say that apt remove/autoremove is more reliable? | 22:57 |
| brainwash | the cli way forces the user to look up information and also shows exactly what is being removed | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | johanhelmuth: Much. | 23:00 |
| johanhelmuth | Alright, won't use the gui for it then, thanks! | 23:01 |
| johanhelmuth | Spass: So uninstalling Thunderbird went just fine now with apt autoremove, no issues at login. Not sure if that was the initial issue, but yeah. | 23:18 |
| johanhelmuth | Thanks for the help everyone. | 23:18 |
| Spass | johanhelmuth, the issue was that "Mail Reader" shouldn't be visible in the Software application, removing that removes some important packages with it | 23:21 |
| Spass | I can recommend you using Synaptic to manage your packages in GUI | 23:21 |
| Spass | it's in the repos (sudo apt install synaptic) | 23:22 |
| Spass | it's very reliable | 23:22 |
| Spass | and shows you more info | 23:23 |
| johanhelmuth | Sounds much better, yeah | 23:23 |
| Spass | I use it very often to search for a specific package etc. | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | Synaptic shows you more detail, but if you're into the whole 'snaps' thing it won't do much for you as it doesn't handle those. | 23:24 |
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