[00:02] <__Myst__> brainwash: told me to do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager [00:02] <__Myst__> updated the alternative [00:02] <__Myst__> nothing changed [00:03] doesn't sound like it should have any effect [00:03] if you use the Xfce session [00:39] i seem to be unable to install xubuntu over lubuntu. I've created a usb drive with the installer, place it in the lubuntu machine's usb port, and restart, but it doesn't boot into xubuntu. are there common mistakes people make when doing this? [00:42] ninebits: did you check if the usb drive is detected in the bios/uefi? [00:43] i have been messing around in bios, but i'm a bit scared of it [00:43] i may be trying to be too careful [00:43] I guess you probably did to ensure that the boot priority is correct [00:43] well, in my bios, i don't really see a boot priority [00:44] you're talking about CD-ROM, USB, HardDrive, etc... right? [00:44] yes [00:44] ya, i'm not seeing anything like that in my bios. [00:44] crazy. [00:45] i'm going to reboot into bios and make some notes. [00:45] got any other PC? [00:46] ya, i'll get my daughters' and see if i can get hexchat going there [00:46] bbiab === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [05:58] hi all. I am on xubuntu 18.04.2. Sometimes (not always) after the system starts I see on my panel 2 icons of nm aplet. One for Status Notifier Plugin and one for Notification Area. Other times only the icon for Status Notifier Plugin was shown. I read about this issue affecting other users too. Is there any permanent solution instead of just restart the panel (xfce4-panel -r) which works but not permanently? [08:57] Thunar dies if I drag-and-drop image form Thunar to the Thunderbird session, Thunderbird started with ssh -X , as another user on machine. [15:14] * pikapika diogenes_ [15:14] * diogenes_ roger that pikapika :) [15:15] :) [15:19] Is it possible to add an afp network share to the fstab? Or any other way to mount an AFP share on boot? [15:24] spyke581: https://stackoverflow.org/wiki/Mount_an_AFP_share_from_Linux [15:24] but that's not like official or anything [15:24] so if you do that you're on your own [15:25] in any case if that works you just need to make that a script that executes when you boot, not in fstab but still [15:26] alright ill check it out. thanks [15:30] hi, I have an issue on XUBUNTU 18.04. Can anyone help me, please? [15:30] supersoniczeus, would you let us guess what the issue is? [15:31] thank you. I recently updated my xubuntu to 18.04 and during FIRST startup the mouse lags; I have to reboot my system to make work as expected [15:32] I have do this always ... it's annoying [15:32] I tried to find info around, then I decided to join the channel [15:32] supersoniczeus, your mouse and what about the touchpad? [15:33] It's a desktop PC, it haven't a touchpad [15:33] did you try a simple relog? [15:33] The problem occours first the login [15:34] or un+replugging the mouse [15:34] during startup the XUBUNTU label is not rendered properly [15:35] I think it's not about the mouse, but something related to graphics driver or so on [15:36] probably [15:37] supersoniczeus, have you got nvidia proprietary installed? [15:37] Rebooting the system (not halting!) resolves the issue, but every morning I have to do the same [15:37] No proprietary driver [15:38] I would compare the output of "dmesg" and Xorg related log files in /var/log/ [15:39] bad boot vs. good boot [15:41] What I have to search for? Unfortunately I am not so experienced! [15:42] differences I guess [15:42] in the xorg logs any line that contains (EE) [15:43] mainly lines which address gpu initialization and driver loading [15:44] you can share the files here also [15:44] via https://paste.ubuntu.com [15:44] well, in Xorg.0.log I see: [15:44] [ 28.071] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, [15:44] (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, [15:44] (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [15:44] [ 28.071] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Mar 26 09:16:19 2019 [15:44] [ 28.146] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [15:45] --> https://paste.ubuntu.com [15:47] pardon, this is my first IRC session. I paste another content here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RyxyD9h5TB/ [15:50] looks like some generic output [15:51] like said before, best to compare the file and output of "dmesg" from the two different states (bad boot and good boot) [15:52] Ah okay, I will try to perform comparison [15:53] supersoniczeus, you could albo try to boot a previous kernel. [15:55] diogenes_, how can I do that? [15:56] supersoniczeus, while booting keep shift key pressed down and once you reach grub menu, hit advanced and you gonna see several kernels to boot from [15:56] chose the one with the minor version [15:58] okay. Saying that it works, what I have to do next? [15:58] to lock down that kernel and make it default [15:58] okay [15:59] I am going to try this and going also to understand better the dmesg and xorg output. Thanks for now guys [15:59] ok good luck [16:00] come with a feedback [16:00] okay! Thanks! [16:30] diogenes_, brainwash: thanks again for the help. I uninstalled the new kernel and now it works like a charm! [16:31] supersoniczeus, so it was the kernel issue? [16:32] I don't know if it was strictly related, but now it works properly. I made several tries, and I confirm that the problem occurred after a system update [16:33] now, my quiestion is: what will happen on the next system update? [16:33] so you went back to use the older kernel? [16:33] the system udate will not harm but the kernel might [16:34] yes, I wen back to old kernel linux-image-4.15.0-45 [16:34] the problem was with linux-image-4.15.0-46 [16:35] right so as for now skip updates [16:35] is it possible to update and jump the linux-image-4.15.0-46? Or does xubuntu adopt an incremental update? [16:35] until the kernel passes that particular version [16:35] oor try the next one instead [16:36] yeah, I got it [16:36] thanks again guys [16:36] Have a nice day [16:50] hi, i installed xubuntu core via the ubuntu mini.iso. I want to theme xfce like it appears at default, but the xubuntu core package doesn't include xfce's standard themes. where can I install them? [16:56] xubuntu70w, in synaptic, look for themes. [17:02] diogenes_ not seeing a package for the default xfce4 themes [17:05] diogenes_ I'm looking for the themes at the bottom of the list in first screenshot on this page https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance === NegativeFlare_ is now known as NegativeFlare [17:08] xubuntu70w, I think those themes weren't upgraded in a long time, so it probably isn't a best choice for new Xubuntu / Xfce [17:08] maybe try Adwaita or Greybird instead? [17:10] spass I like the 'retro' look of the older xfce themes [17:11] spass I found two packages in synaptic titled gtk2-engines-xfce and gtk3-engines-xfce, are those what I am looking for [17:11] probably yes [17:11] I don't want to download something that's not in the ubuntu repository [17:12] spass what's the difference between gtk2 and gtk3 and how does they differ in regard to the xubuntu core DE? [17:12] Adwaita, Greybird and Numix are in the official repositories [17:12] i trust xfce's own repository as well [17:17] basically most new applications are using GTK3, so they may not look good on an older/deprecated themes, like those you want, but nothing is stopping you from using those of course, I'm just saying that you may see some issues [17:20] ok thanks [17:22] spass: but xfce is primarily gtk2 correct? [17:24] currently Xfce is being ported to GTK3, but 18.04 LTS has Xfce version 4.12, so not many programs are GTK3 there [17:24] so depends on what version do you have installed, 18.04 or 18.10? [17:27] spass 18.04 [17:29] so you should be fine in most cases, but if you'll see an app that looks not ok, that could mean that it's a GTK3 app (like GNOME Disks for example) and new theme is required to display it properly, you have to try on your own I guess [17:29] ok, I'll try gtk2-engines-xfce and see if that works [17:29] anyway, Adwaita, Numix and/or Greybird are themes, that you could have as a backup [17:53] From today I get an error message (https://send.firefox.com/download/84e917f0a1/#IOZvfeMnFIqhXrB-8eRZXg) each time [17:55] I restart my laptop. When I click "Report problem" nothing happens. How can I find out what cases the message? [18:05] sm0rux, see what's in your /var/crash/ folder, it should tell you what's causing the problem [18:05] then, you can try to delete files within it and restart [18:09] Spass: Thanks a zillion, highly appreciated! I'll give your advice a try! [18:16] Spass: Your advice seems to work. Again I'm so impressed by the power of all you guys in this channel! [18:17] good to hear [18:20] Spass: Thank you for your help! [18:20] glad that my hint helped in your case [22:07] Hey, do you guys know any pre-install software on a new installation that is known to "break" the system if removed, even though the name and description of the software sounds/look unrelated to anything that would be considered "unsafe" to remove? I just installed Xubuntu, removed a lot of bloaty software that wouldn't need, tried to make sure that I would only remove software that seemed unrelated [22:07] to anything important (based on name and description), yet it completely broke my system. [22:07] Tried to look for a compiled list online for pointers, but couldn't find anything really. [22:26] johanhelmuth: What is "completely broken"? [22:26] it is difficult to determine your judgement of "useful sounding software" ;) [22:28] Yeah, you are right. A second glance at my text and I realize no useful information was in there, sorry about that. :P [22:32] johanhelmuth, hello, I think I saw a related thread somewhere lately, and the solution was to install xfdesktop again, iirc, can't find it now [22:32] So after removing games, application finder, bluetooth adapters/manager, catfish, dictionary, mail reader, onboard, onboard settings, parole, power manager (i'm using a desktop, not a laptop, not useful for me?), ristretto - after reboot and then login, no desktop or anything shows up. I can only see my background, no panel, no desktop-menu (righ-click) no nothing. [22:32] it was probably about thunderbird [22:33] do you see your mouse cursor? [22:33] Yes I do [22:33] The only thing I see [22:33] yeah, check if you have xfdesktop installed [22:33] Well, problem is that I reinstalled everything, haha [22:34] I just haven't removed anythign this time around, yet [22:34] did you remove thunderbird last time? [22:34] I did actually, yeah! [22:34] That's annoying, since I prefer Mailspring over Thunderbird >:( [22:34] hmm, so maybe I remember that correctly then, I need to find the exact thread [22:36] Also, I have to say, the amount of games I have installed by default is pretty ridiculous, haha. :D [22:36] here, but I've seen another one too, https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/awfvzr/why_does_removing_mail_reader_remove_the_desktop/ [22:37] Thanks! [22:37] Ooh! I removed mail reader as well as thunderbird last time [22:37] Maybe removing Thunderbird is fine, but not mail reader? [22:40] I'm not sure what exact package causes the issue unfortunately, but yeah, mail reader/thunderbird is the suspect here [22:42] I will remove and reboot one at a time, will see which one it is that messes it up [22:42] you're using 18.04? [22:45] mail reader is not a mail reader, but a shortcut to your preferred mail reader (provided by the essential component "exo") [22:46] same for "web browser" [22:47] another report of the same issue - https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/b4jlwy/xubuntu_in_netbook_problems/ej7vmc3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x [22:48] I did not check the reddit posts, but it's bug 1783764 [22:48] bug 1783764 in exo (Ubuntu) "Deleting "Mail Reader" crashes the computer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783764 [22:53] johanhelmuth, so you probably was using Software (gnome-software) to remove those apps too, right? [22:56] Yeah, I'm using "Software 3.28.1" to remove [22:57] Would you say that apt remove/autoremove is more reliable? [22:59] the cli way forces the user to look up information and also shows exactly what is being removed [23:00] johanhelmuth: Much. [23:01] Alright, won't use the gui for it then, thanks! [23:18] Spass: So uninstalling Thunderbird went just fine now with apt autoremove, no issues at login. Not sure if that was the initial issue, but yeah. [23:18] Thanks for the help everyone. [23:21] johanhelmuth, the issue was that "Mail Reader" shouldn't be visible in the Software application, removing that removes some important packages with it [23:21] I can recommend you using Synaptic to manage your packages in GUI [23:22] it's in the repos (sudo apt install synaptic) [23:22] it's very reliable [23:23] and shows you more info [23:23] Sounds much better, yeah [23:23] I use it very often to search for a specific package etc. [23:24] Synaptic shows you more detail, but if you're into the whole 'snaps' thing it won't do much for you as it doesn't handle those.