[00:02] <__Myst__> brainwash: told me to do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[00:02] <__Myst__> updated the alternative
[00:02] <__Myst__> nothing changed
[00:03] <brainwash> doesn't sound like it should have any effect
[00:03] <brainwash> if you use the Xfce session
[00:39] <ninebits> i seem to be unable to install xubuntu over lubuntu. I've created a usb drive with the installer, place it in the lubuntu machine's usb port, and restart, but it doesn't boot into xubuntu. are there common mistakes people make when doing this?
[00:42] <brainwash> ninebits: did you check if the usb drive is detected in the bios/uefi?
[00:43] <ninebits> i have been messing around in bios, but i'm a bit scared of it
[00:43] <ninebits> i may be trying to be too careful
[00:43] <brainwash> I guess you probably did to ensure that the boot priority is correct
[00:43] <ninebits> well, in my bios, i don't really see a boot priority
[00:44] <ninebits> you're talking about CD-ROM, USB, HardDrive, etc... right?
[00:44] <brainwash> yes
[00:44] <ninebits> ya, i'm not seeing anything like that in my bios.
[00:44] <ninebits> crazy.
[00:45] <ninebits> i'm going to reboot into bios and make some notes.
[00:45] <brainwash> got any other PC?
[00:46] <ninebits> ya, i'll get my daughters' and see if i can get hexchat going there
[00:46] <ninebits> bbiab
[05:58] <ilias_gr> hi all. I am on xubuntu 18.04.2. Sometimes (not always) after the system starts I see on my panel 2 icons of nm aplet. One for Status Notifier Plugin and one for Notification Area. Other times only the icon for Status Notifier Plugin was shown. I read about this issue affecting other users too. Is there any permanent solution instead of just restart the panel (xfce4-panel -r) which works but not permanently?
[08:57] <nikolam> Thunar dies if I drag-and-drop image form Thunar to the Thunderbird session, Thunderbird started with ssh -X , as another user on machine.
[15:14]  * pikapika diogenes_ 
[15:14]  * diogenes_ roger that pikapika :)
[15:15] <pikapika> :)
[15:19] <spyke581> Is it possible to add an afp network share to the fstab? Or any other way to mount an AFP share on boot?
[15:24] <GridCube> spyke581: https://stackoverflow.org/wiki/Mount_an_AFP_share_from_Linux
[15:24] <GridCube> but that's not like official or anything
[15:24] <GridCube> so if you do that you're on your own
[15:25] <GridCube> in any case if that works you just need to make that a script that executes when you boot, not in fstab but still
[15:26] <spyke581> alright ill check it out. thanks
[15:30] <supersoniczeus> hi, I have an issue on XUBUNTU 18.04. Can anyone help me, please?
[15:30] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, would you let us guess what the issue is?
[15:31] <supersoniczeus> thank you. I recently updated my xubuntu to 18.04 and during FIRST startup the mouse lags; I have to reboot my system to make work as expected
[15:32] <supersoniczeus> I have do this always ... it's annoying
[15:32] <supersoniczeus> I tried to find info around, then I decided to join the channel
[15:32] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, your mouse and what about the touchpad?
[15:33] <supersoniczeus> It's a desktop PC, it haven't a touchpad
[15:33] <brainwash> did you try a simple relog?
[15:33] <supersoniczeus> The problem occours first the login
[15:34] <brainwash> or un+replugging the mouse
[15:34] <supersoniczeus> during startup the XUBUNTU label is not rendered properly
[15:35] <supersoniczeus> I think it's not about the mouse, but something related to graphics driver or so on
[15:36] <brainwash> probably
[15:37] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, have you got nvidia proprietary installed?
[15:37] <supersoniczeus> Rebooting the system (not halting!) resolves the issue, but every morning I have to do the same
[15:37] <supersoniczeus> No proprietary driver
[15:38] <brainwash> I would compare the output of "dmesg" and Xorg related log files in /var/log/
[15:39] <brainwash> bad boot vs. good boot
[15:41] <supersoniczeus> What I have to search for? Unfortunately I am not so experienced!
[15:42] <brainwash> differences I guess
[15:42] <Axzercion> in the xorg logs any line that contains (EE)
[15:43] <brainwash> mainly lines which address gpu initialization and driver loading
[15:44] <brainwash> you can share the files here also
[15:44] <brainwash> via https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> well, in Xorg.0.log I see:
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> [    28.071] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> [    28.071] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Mar 26 09:16:19 2019
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> [    28.146] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[15:45] <brainwash> --> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:47] <supersoniczeus> pardon, this is my first IRC session. I paste another content here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RyxyD9h5TB/
[15:50] <brainwash> looks like some generic output
[15:51] <brainwash> like said before, best to compare the file and output of "dmesg" from the two different states (bad boot and good boot)
[15:52] <supersoniczeus> Ah okay, I will try to perform comparison
[15:53] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, you could albo try to boot a previous kernel.
[15:55] <supersoniczeus> diogenes_, how can I do that?
[15:56] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, while booting keep shift key pressed down and once you reach grub menu, hit advanced and you gonna see several kernels to boot from
[15:56] <diogenes_> chose the one with the minor version
[15:58] <supersoniczeus> okay. Saying that it works, what I have to do next?
[15:58] <diogenes_> to lock down that kernel and make it default
[15:58] <supersoniczeus> okay
[15:59] <supersoniczeus> I am going to try this and going also to understand better the dmesg and xorg output. Thanks for now guys
[15:59] <diogenes_> ok good luck
[16:00] <diogenes_> come with a feedback
[16:00] <supersoniczeus> okay! Thanks!
[16:30] <supersoniczeus> diogenes_, brainwash: thanks again for the help. I uninstalled the new kernel and now it works like a charm!
[16:31] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, so it was the kernel issue?
[16:32] <supersoniczeus> I don't know if it was strictly related, but now it works properly. I made several tries, and I confirm that the problem occurred after a system update
[16:33] <supersoniczeus> now, my quiestion is: what will happen on the next system update?
[16:33] <diogenes_> so you went back to use the older kernel?
[16:33] <diogenes_> the system udate will not harm but the kernel might
[16:34] <supersoniczeus> yes, I wen back to old kernel linux-image-4.15.0-45
[16:34] <supersoniczeus> the problem was with linux-image-4.15.0-46
[16:35] <diogenes_> right so as for now skip updates
[16:35] <supersoniczeus> is it possible to update and jump the linux-image-4.15.0-46? Or does xubuntu adopt an incremental update?
[16:35] <diogenes_> until the kernel passes that particular version
[16:35] <GridCube> oor try the next one instead
[16:36] <supersoniczeus> yeah, I got it
[16:36] <supersoniczeus> thanks again guys
[16:36] <supersoniczeus> Have a nice day
[16:50] <xubuntu70w> hi, i installed xubuntu core via the ubuntu mini.iso. I want to theme xfce like it appears at default, but the xubuntu core package doesn't include xfce's standard themes. where can I install them?
[16:56] <diogenes_> xubuntu70w, in synaptic, look for themes.
[17:02] <xubuntu70w> diogenes_ not seeing a package for the default xfce4 themes
[17:05] <xubuntu70w> diogenes_ I'm looking for the themes at the bottom of the list in first screenshot on this page https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance
[17:08] <Spass> xubuntu70w, I think those themes weren't upgraded in a long time, so it probably isn't a best choice for new Xubuntu / Xfce
[17:08] <Spass> maybe try Adwaita or Greybird instead?
[17:10] <xubuntu70w> spass I like the 'retro' look of the older xfce themes
[17:11] <xubuntu70w> spass I found two packages in synaptic titled gtk2-engines-xfce and gtk3-engines-xfce, are those what I am looking for
[17:11] <Spass> probably yes
[17:11] <xubuntu70w> I don't want to download something that's not in the ubuntu repository
[17:12] <xubuntu70w> spass what's the difference between gtk2 and gtk3 and how does they differ in regard to the xubuntu core DE?
[17:12] <Spass> Adwaita, Greybird and Numix are in the official repositories
[17:12] <xubuntu70w> i trust xfce's own repository as well
[17:17] <Spass> basically most new applications are using GTK3, so they may not look good on an older/deprecated themes, like those you want, but nothing is stopping you from using those of course, I'm just saying that you may see some issues
[17:20] <xubuntu70w> ok thanks
[17:22] <xubuntu70w> spass: but xfce is primarily gtk2 correct?
[17:24] <Spass> currently Xfce is being ported to GTK3, but 18.04 LTS has Xfce version 4.12, so not many programs are GTK3 there
[17:24] <Spass> so depends on what version do you have installed, 18.04 or 18.10?
[17:27] <xubuntu70w> spass 18.04
[17:29] <Spass> so you should be fine in most cases, but if you'll see an app that looks not ok, that could mean that it's a GTK3 app (like GNOME Disks for example) and new theme is required to display it properly, you have to try on your own I guess
[17:29] <xubuntu70w> ok, I'll try gtk2-engines-xfce and see if that works
[17:29] <Spass> anyway, Adwaita, Numix and/or Greybird are themes, that you could have as a backup
[17:53] <sm0rux> From today I get an error message (https://send.firefox.com/download/84e917f0a1/#IOZvfeMnFIqhXrB-8eRZXg) each time
[17:55] <sm0rux> I restart my laptop. When I click "Report problem" nothing happens. How can I find out what cases the message?
[18:05] <Spass> sm0rux, see what's in your /var/crash/ folder, it should tell you what's causing the problem
[18:05] <Spass> then, you can try to delete files within it and restart
[18:09] <sm0rux> Spass: Thanks a zillion, highly appreciated! I'll give your advice a try!
[18:16] <sm0rux> Spass: Your advice seems to work. Again I'm so impressed by the power of all you guys in this channel!
[18:17] <Spass> good to hear
[18:20] <sm0rux> Spass: Thank you for your help!
[18:20] <Spass> glad that my hint helped in your case
[22:07] <johanhelmuth> Hey, do you guys know any pre-install software on a new installation that is known to "break" the system if removed, even though the name and description of the software sounds/look unrelated to anything that would be considered "unsafe" to remove? I just installed Xubuntu, removed a lot of bloaty software that wouldn't need, tried to make sure that I would only remove software that seemed unrelated
[22:07] <johanhelmuth> to anything important (based on name and description), yet it completely broke my system.
[22:07] <johanhelmuth> Tried to look for a compiled list online for pointers, but couldn't find anything really.
[22:26] <gnrp> johanhelmuth: What is "completely broken"?
[22:26] <gnrp> it is difficult to determine your judgement of "useful sounding software" ;)
[22:28] <johanhelmuth> Yeah, you are right. A second glance at my text and I realize no useful information was in there, sorry about that. :P
[22:32] <Spass> johanhelmuth, hello, I think I saw a related thread somewhere lately, and the solution was to install xfdesktop again, iirc, can't find it now
[22:32] <johanhelmuth> So after removing games, application finder, bluetooth adapters/manager, catfish, dictionary, mail reader, onboard, onboard settings, parole, power manager (i'm using a desktop, not a laptop, not useful for me?), ristretto - after reboot and then login, no desktop or anything shows up. I can only see my background, no panel, no desktop-menu (righ-click) no nothing.
[22:32] <Spass> it was probably about thunderbird
[22:33] <Spass> do you see your mouse cursor?
[22:33] <johanhelmuth> Yes I do
[22:33] <johanhelmuth> The only thing I see
[22:33] <Spass> yeah, check if you have xfdesktop installed
[22:33] <johanhelmuth> Well, problem is that I reinstalled everything, haha
[22:34] <johanhelmuth> I just haven't removed anythign this time around, yet
[22:34] <Spass> did you remove thunderbird last time?
[22:34] <johanhelmuth> I did actually, yeah!
[22:34] <johanhelmuth> That's annoying, since I prefer Mailspring over Thunderbird >:(
[22:34] <Spass> hmm, so maybe I remember that correctly then, I need to find the exact thread
[22:36] <johanhelmuth> Also, I have to say, the amount of games I have installed by default is pretty ridiculous, haha. :D
[22:36] <Spass> here, but I've seen another one too, https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/awfvzr/why_does_removing_mail_reader_remove_the_desktop/
[22:37] <johanhelmuth> Thanks!
[22:37] <johanhelmuth> Ooh! I removed mail reader as well as thunderbird last time
[22:37] <johanhelmuth> Maybe removing Thunderbird is fine, but not mail reader?
[22:40] <Spass> I'm not sure what exact package causes the issue unfortunately, but yeah, mail reader/thunderbird is the suspect here
[22:42] <johanhelmuth> I will remove and reboot one at a time, will see which one it is that messes it up
[22:42] <Spass> you're using 18.04?
[22:45] <brainwash> mail reader is not a mail reader, but a shortcut to your preferred mail reader (provided by the essential component "exo")
[22:46] <brainwash> same for "web browser"
[22:47] <Spass> another report of the same issue - https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/b4jlwy/xubuntu_in_netbook_problems/ej7vmc3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
[22:48] <brainwash> I did not check the reddit posts, but it's bug 1783764
[22:53] <Spass> johanhelmuth, so you probably was using Software (gnome-software) to remove those apps too, right?
[22:56] <johanhelmuth> Yeah, I'm using "Software 3.28.1" to remove
[22:57] <johanhelmuth> Would you say that apt remove/autoremove is more reliable?
[22:59] <brainwash> the cli way forces the user to look up information and also shows exactly what is being removed
[23:00] <Unit193> johanhelmuth: Much.
[23:01] <johanhelmuth> Alright, won't use the gui for it then, thanks!
[23:18] <johanhelmuth> Spass: So uninstalling Thunderbird went just fine now with apt autoremove, no issues at login. Not sure if that was the initial issue, but yeah.
[23:18] <johanhelmuth> Thanks for the help everyone.
[23:21] <Spass> johanhelmuth, the issue was that "Mail Reader" shouldn't be visible in the Software application, removing that removes some important packages with it
[23:21] <Spass> I can recommend you using Synaptic to manage your packages in GUI
[23:22] <Spass> it's in the repos (sudo apt install synaptic)
[23:22] <Spass> it's very reliable
[23:23] <Spass> and shows you more info
[23:23] <johanhelmuth> Sounds much better, yeah
[23:23] <Spass> I use it very often to search for a specific package etc.
[23:24] <Unit193> Synaptic shows you more detail, but if you're into the whole 'snaps' thing it won't do much for you as it doesn't handle those.