cpaelzercan I have some opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1822370/comments/907:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1822370 in openssh (Ubuntu) "19.04 beta openssh-client broken pipe" [Critical,Triaged]07:49
cpaelzercjwatson: as it is openssh your opinion would be expecially great to ahve07:49
cjwatsoncpaelzer: did you look through Debian bugs?  it has certainly been reported there.07:50
cjwatsonI consider this a VMware bug and if anyone is pushing for this we need to put pressure on VMware to fix it.07:50
cpaelzernot yet, I was collecting through vmware and fedora references so far07:50
cpaelzerI consider this a VMWare bug as well07:51
cpaelzermay question is if we should avoid putting it on our users due to the upcoming release07:51
cjwatsonI don't want to revert this as that just takes the pressure off.07:51
cjwatsonIt's not an LTS after all07:51
cpaelzerok, I'd be happy if you could state so in the bug07:51
cpaelzerI have a call today with VMWare anyway and can make sure this is really seen on their side07:52
cjwatsonhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=923879 is a more persuasive reason to possibly revert07:53
ubottuDebian bug 923879 in openssh-client "ssh: IPQoS defaults change interacts badly with iptables -m tos" [Normal,Open]07:53
cjwatsonbut I haven't had time to independently research that07:53
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bdmurrayseb128: Do you know if anything is happening with bug 1807900?16:56
ubottubug 1807900 in update-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "update-manager suggests to use Livepatch, which is not available" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180790016:56
Laneyrbasak: you have ~ubuntu-developer-members available, FWIW (re: devel-permissions@)17:01
Laney(specifically your last paragraph)17:01
rbasakLaney: thanks! I was going to ask you for input, as a person who comes to mind who understands how it's all put together :)17:04
LaneyIt's the not-very-used DMB-as-a-membership-board procedure17:04
rbasakLaney: would ~ubuntu-dev be better to retain voting rights though?17:04
rbasakAssuming the DMB is happy to do that, which I suppose is a separate decision.17:05
rbasakAs we don't have any documented emeritus process AFAICT.17:05
LaneyI'm not sure that there's precedent for ~ubuntu-dev without any upload rights17:05
LaneySo you'd be inventing a new thing there AFAIK17:05
rbasakI agree it'd be a new thing.17:05
rbasakSeems to be that we should have an emeritus process, or at least know what to do.17:05
LaneyMakes sense17:06
LaneyI think not retaining voting rights would be more usual (but haven't given it a whole lot of thought)17:06
rbasakIt also seems to me that as leaving ~ubuntu-core-dev is effectively voluntary, but a good thing (on a security basis), it should be possible to do so without being forced to lose other rights, eg. voting.17:06
LaneySomething like - if you're not participating in the community then you don't have as good a context or "skin in the game" relating to its governance17:07
LaneyBut it'd be more proper for you in the DMB to work that up and maybe ask the CC17:07
rbasakYes, but then that needs to be enforced, rather than having the obvious workaround to be click a button every two years.17:07
LaneyNot sure about "needs", but it would be valid to scope the problem wide enough to cover this17:10
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rbasakPerhaps I can create an ~ubuntu-dev-emeritus team and leave it as a member of ~ubuntu-developer-members for now.17:18
rbasakThen we could decide where to move it later.17:19
seb128bdmurray, I don't know off hand, need to check with andyrock18:05
seb128bdmurray, he's going to look at it18:11
bdmurrayseb128: okay, I wasn't sure if we should defer it to EE18:14
seb128bdmurray, it probably doesn't matter much for disco since livepatch doesn't exist on that serie18:15
tewardseb128: bdmurray: we see questions occasionally on Ask Ubuntu about livepatch on the interim releases between LTSes18:26
tewardso if we're going to 'fix' this I'd target EE for fixing it since users otherwise will get the wrong ideas about Livepatch service18:27
teward(just my two cents, sorry I just saw yuor messages in scrollback thought I'd give my thoughts)18:27
bdmurrayteward: iirc it works but checking to see if you are running an LTS so its moot18:28
tewardbdmurray: good point, but that's where the questions come in at :P  In either case I'd rather the system not even suggest it when Livepatch isn't an option in that release :P18:28
tewardbut you're not wrong.18:28
tewardthe only system I use livepatching on is this laptop but that's for reasons - sometimes I go a few weeks without applying kernel updates :P18:29
bdmurrayteward: It shouldn't suggest it is my point.18:29
tewardbdmurray: right, i agree with you18:29
bdmurrayteward: I mean that it already shouldn't / that was fixed.18:29
bdmurrayteward: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/view/head:/UpdateManager/Dialogs.py#L15118:32
tewardnot sure why people were still using it then :P18:37
seb128teward, it should already not show on non LTS series, that bugfix is about not displaying the control on the LTS if the UI is not available which is a specific fix19:09
infinitybdmurray: My only nitpick on this apport is that if "whoopsie-preferences is needed to store preferences", that seems more like a Recommends than a Suggests?20:15
infinitybdmurray: Unless you don't view preferences as a meaningfully core functionality.20:15
bdmurrayinfinity: it'd end up pulling whoopsie-preferences into cloud-image then. although looking at the original MP it's only apport-gtk which makes the gdbus call - https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/apport/whoopsie-auto-ui/+merge/34847920:32
infinitybdmurray: So maybe it's apport-gtk that wants it as a recommends (or even depends)?20:33
infinitybdmurray: That said, nothing in whoopsie-preferences or its deps looks inappropriate for a CLI system, if the CLI apport had a way to save prefs.20:34
infinityDepends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.30.0), libpolkit-gobject-1-0 (>= 0.99), libwhoopsie-preferences0 (= 20), libwhoopsie0 (>= 0.2.48)20:34
bdmurrayinfinity: The cli apport doesn't have a way to save preferences20:35
infinitybdmurray: Kay, so maybe this dep should move to -gtk and be upgraded to rec/dep (your call)20:35
bdmurrayinfinity: that sounds like a good idea20:36
infinitybdmurray: I can haz an upload that does that, then?  (And if it's a recommends, I assume you already had code that conditionally uses this, rather than crashes when it's not there?)20:41
bdmurrayinfinity: I'll upload for disco and it'll be a depends fwiw I'm fixing somebody else's bug here.20:42
infinityOf course. :)20:43
bdmurraycoreycb: I feel like your comment is missing something in the url https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache2-mod-auth-mellon/+bug/1820279/comments/321:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1820279 in libapache2-mod-auth-mellon (Ubuntu Cosmic) "[FFe] [SRU] build mellon with --enable-diagnostics to ease up SSO debugging" [High,Triaged]21:18
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