 hi, I'm having a very strange issue in one of my test machine. Wifi and sound stopped working.
[00:03] <wxl> does it persist on reboot?
 tried with today live and same issue. I have dual boot with win xp, it works ok.
[00:03] <wxl> huh
 when y type sudo, nothing happens.
[00:03] <wxl> O_O
 any ideas where to look? I alway forget where are the logs
[00:04] <wxl> guiverc: you done any testing today?
[00:04] <wxl>  /var/log
[00:04] <wxl> or you could get systemd to give you logs
[00:04] <guiverc> not lubuntu related  (about to finish one very soon)
[00:05] <wxl> ok well make sure to check wifi/sound when you do
 wxl: in var/log latest timestamp is from 31 march
 @tsimonq2 [It didn't break it before :P], well international characters are a pain in the ass, and I don't have the config you were using before because of someone's stupidity 😛
 and I didn't write that config :P
[00:05] <wxl> wth weird
[00:05] <wxl> i've never heard of anything like that before!
[00:05] <guiverc> okay i'll update iso & test on laptops later
 @wxl [<wxl> wth weird], I thought I might have broke my installation, but with todays live is same issue.  MAYBE IS A KERNEL ISSUE
 (sorry for casp lock)
[00:06] <wxl> but why that wouldn't log...... i don't get that
[00:06] <wxl> if it's a kernel issue it should be an issue with other flavors so that might be something to try
 Every startup or shutdown should generate log entries at the very least.
 @wxl [<wxl> if it's a kernel issue it should be an issue with other flavors so that mi …], just find date/time is wrong set. maybe that's the issue
[00:07] <wxl> that shouldn't be so destructive but might explain the weird timestamps
[00:08] <wxl> sudo, wifi, sound should all still work
[00:08] <wxl> ssl would be hosed
[00:08] <teward> @tsimonq2 wtfh you know what's stupid
[00:08] <teward> apparently copy-paste breaks encodings :/
[00:08] <wxl> you are?
[00:08] <teward> wxl: I'mma taser you for that
[00:09] <teward> in a specific area that is very uncomfortable
[00:09] <wxl> too late, i already won the battle :)
 @wxl [<wxl> you are?], yes
[00:09] <teward> *sigh*
[00:09]  * wxl pats teward's head
[00:09] <teward> wxl: shush
[00:09] <teward> had a long day
[00:10]  * Eickmeyer sprinkles bacteria on whatever teward is eating
[00:10] <teward> Eickmeyer: joke's on you i'm already eating bacteria.  Acidophilus-enhanced milk (because a gut bug)
[00:10] <teward> so you're only HELPING me here
[00:11] <Eickmeyer> Who said I was doing it maliciously? ;)
[00:12] <teward> lol
[00:12]  * teward injects more bacteria into Eickmeyer's yogurt
[00:12]  * teward waits for more cottage cheese
[00:13] <Eickmeyer> Om nom nom nom...
 @tsimonq2 should work now, so shush.
 stupid windows encoding copying with putty due to a full disk clone on my normal laptop
 wxl: https://pastebin.com/bKPZsENL
 abstract: [   60.096344] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000000
 that's with dmesg
[00:22] <wxl> oh wow
 any ideas on how/where to proceed?
[00:23] <wxl> i'd start searching 
[00:23] <wxl> starting maybe with launchpad
 that should be ubuntu?
[00:25] <wxl> welllll it could be filed anywhere so i'd just search in launchpad
 I found some, but are form a year ago, not sure is same issue. I mean, I  blame kernel 5
 will boot with another kernel and see
 yes, Kernel issue 4.19 work ok
[00:36] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is it normal that we'd be getting a new kernel this late in the cycle???
[00:37] <teward> wxl: AIUI, no, but that'd be a kernel team question...
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: is it normal that we'd be getting a new kernel this late in the …], Yes
[00:38] <teward> wait really?
 I've seen new kernels the day before release
 @tsimonq2 [I've seen new kernels the day before release], but a big change like 4 to 5?
 @HMollerCl [but a big change like 4 to 5?], Yeah
 The bump from 4 to 5 was kind of arbitrary though
 Like teward's domain names *shot*
[00:41] <teward> *shoots @tsimonq2 and then loots the body*
[00:44]  * Eickmeyer read that as "... and then loses the body"
 Tbf 5 has been in the dailies for a while. I have been running it on my main system and haven't had any issues to date. I have a laptop running it too that has been ok. Everyone's hardware reacts differently though.
 @kc2bez [Tbf 5 has been in the dailies for a while. I have been running it on my main sys …], that's true, I haven't found a similar bug
 wxl: any ideas agains with package to file the bug?
 I think is linux
 So wait, it works fine with 4.19 but breaks with 5.0?
 If you wanna have some fun you could Git bisect it. ;)
 It's not terribly complicated but it does require *some* knowledge
 If you decide to go that route, you could report a precise bug and get some real action on it
 @tsimonq2 [So wait, it works fine with 4.19 but breaks with 5.0?], yes
 @tsimonq2 [If you decide to go that route, you could report a precise bug and get some real …], If I had time to do it I would.
 Ok
 here is the bug filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1822913
 On the weekend I disassembly the notebook, I thought it might be a problem with the physical switch, I broke it trying to fix it :(
 (wifi switch)
[01:08] <guiverc> wxl: fyi: thinkpad x201 & sl510 connected to 5ghz & 2.4ghz hidden wifi fine (respectively), sound & media keys all worked great
 @tsimonq2 [If you wanna have some fun you could Git bisect it. ;)], This git dissect should be done in the computer with problems or can it be done in anyone?
 @HMollerCl [This git dissect should be done in the computer with problems or can it be done …], The bisect can be done wherever, but it involves testing it
 @tsimonq2 [The bisect can be done wherever, but it involves testing it], Mmm, I can't test it here but I could look some things. Any readings I could use? Or how to Google them?
 :)  https://git-scm.com/docs/git-bisect
 apparently is dupe of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1821564 there are the instructions for bisecting. As soon as I have time I will do it, but I think it will be no sooner than the weekend.
[16:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems.] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#355
[17:37] <lynorian> did the python3-rtd-theme package get installed?
 ``` … $ sudo apt -y install python3-rtd-theme … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree … Reading state information... Done … E: Unable to locate package python3-rtd-theme```
 the python3-sphinx-rtd-theme was installed yes
 Actually
 but not python3-rtd-theme
 python3-sphinx-rtd-theme is already the newest version (0.2.4-1).
 i did it myself :P
 Yeah
 @teward001 [the python3-sphinx-rtd-theme was installed yes], Jinx!
 oops sorry wrong package name just got up
[18:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#356
[18:23] <teward> *gives @lynorian coffee*
[18:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems.] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#357
[19:34] <lynorian> now comes the hard part for what builds the manual with the extension wxl told me about is I need this https://github.com/sphinxcontrib-versioning-ng/sphinxcontrib-versioning the PYPi version is broken with newer versions of sphinx
[19:41] <teward> lynorian: are we saying that we have to install this manually/by-hand?
[19:42] <lynorian> unfortaetnly
[19:42] <teward> if the PyPI version is busted with newer sphinx what says the master branch works?
 especially since its CI is failing perpetually
[19:43] <lynorian> ugh I should have looked into that 
 appveyor looks like its succeeding but its Travis setup is botched something nasty
 not sure if code related CI failure or just Travis crap
[19:46] <lynorian> teward: the travis seems like it isn't even checking the code in
[19:46] <teward> yeah it does, but i also can't confirm later python compat beyond 3.5
[19:47] <teward> the server has 3.6
[19:47] <teward> so not sure if it's the Python version or the Sphinx version breaking
[19:47] <teward> lynorian: i can TRY and install that manually if you want...
[19:48] <lynorian> I only have it working locally
[19:48] <lynorian> on   Installed: 3.6.7-1~18.10
[19:49] <teward> that's 18.10
[19:49] <teward> manual server is 18.04
[19:50] <lynorian> understandable
[19:50] <lynorian> I might need to find one of my 18.04 test installs and make sure it works
[19:50] <teward> i don't think it works OOTB
[19:50] <teward> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CrppwryTC5/
[19:52] <lynorian> ouch
[19:58] <teward> yep
[20:16] <lynorian> sigh this is frustrating now I might need the other solution of read the docs hosting ... 
[20:34] <teward> isn't RTD self-hostable?
[20:37] <lynorian> teward:  it is but at the meeting remember elasticsearch stuff you don't want to set up?
[20:37] <teward> you mean the stuff I might set up anyways?
 ok
[20:37] <teward> if the other mechanism of manual building is not usable
[20:37] <teward> i'll look into this
[20:38] <teward> ES as a cluster can be *large* but if absolutely necessary I'll deploy it
[20:38] <teward> *bookmarks RTD installation data for himself to smoke-test localy*
[20:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T37: Look into deploying RTD and its corresponding ES cluster to host Manual] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T37
[20:39] <teward> oops
[20:39] <teward> that was supposed to be a private phab task xD
[20:39] <teward> (there's an infra project on Phab that I've been using to track Infra related tasks)
[21:07] <teward> so the only headache here is...
[21:07] <teward> RTD uses Docker containers for its build envs
 i'll need to tweak some container security settings to get the Docker parts installed
 ES is a separate beast for search :/
 but i'll look into that stuff once i'm home.
[21:09] <lynorian> thanks teward