| lubot | <HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker I have an installation of 22march adaily and pdf are opened by libreoffice, not qps. | 13:01 |
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| lubot | <teward001> @lynorian | 13:36 |
| lubot | <teward001> got busy :/ | 13:36 |
| lubot | <teward001> will stab it this weekend though if I get the chance :P | 13:36 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#373 | 19:14 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#375 | 19:22 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#376 | 19:34 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#377 | 19:40 | |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ? | 19:49 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> the .desktop says OnlyShowIn=LXQt; I don't know why it appear in kubuntu | 19:50 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> oooo, It does'nt appear, is called by discover | 19:51 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> ??? | 19:51 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @HMollerCl [@acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ?], Discover uses kdesu to raise privaleges on executing it. Previously it worked fine with just 'Exec = software-propertie-qt' | 19:51 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> 'Exec = sudo software-propertie-qt' would probably not break | 19:52 |
| lubot | <teward001> i assume yuo meant `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` ;) | 19:53 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> yes | 19:53 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right? | 19:54 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> If that's teh case, maybe the best option is to create 2 .desktops one w/o lxqt-sudo for kubuntu/discover and one only for lxqt with lxqt-sudo | 19:55 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @HMollerCl [just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right?], No it doesn't. It would be good if it would. | 19:57 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> But I'm not that fussed. I would prefer it actually launches. … Using just `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` should manage that for both of us with needing seperate desktop files | 19:58 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> Ummm. maybe | 19:59 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong? | 19:59 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl [but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong?], Pure sudo, yes | 20:01 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Using policykit it's mostly fine | 20:01 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> Muon is ok, as it doesn't use the .desktop file exec line to launch it. It kdesu's the binary path | 20:04 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 [Using policykit it's mostly fine], so, the solution would be change lxqt-sudo for sudo in the .desktop? | 20:06 |
| lubot | <teward001> I'm confused, does `pkexec` not exist here, or does it just not work for the needs? | 20:07 |
| lubot | <teward001> (I forget :/) | 20:07 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Discover runs it with root | 20:07 |
| lubot | <teward001> wow this daily Lubuntu VM I have is in dire need of updates... | 20:08 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @teward001 [I'm confused, does pkexec not exist here, or does it just not work for this case …], $ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display … Could not connect to any X display. | 20:09 |
| lubot | <teward001> you ran that on terminal right? | 20:09 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @teward001 [you ran that on terminal right?], yes | 20:09 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @tsimonq2 [Discover runs it with root], via kdesu | 20:09 |
| lubot | <teward001> did you try with alt+F2 ? | 20:09 |
| lubot | <teward001> i'm assuming it won't work but... | 20:10 |
| lubot | <teward001> you shouldn't use `sudo` for executing a GUI app | 20:10 |
| lubot | <teward001> even via its desktop file | 20:10 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @teward001 [did you try with alt+F2 ?], how is this? you mean from tty? ctrl+alt+f2? | 20:11 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> or lxqt-runner | 20:11 |
| lubot | <teward001> ^ use that and test | 20:11 |
| teward | in a non VM environment, lxqt-runner can be fast-run with Alt+F2 | 20:12 |
| teward | um... | 20:13 |
| teward | is lxqt-sudo a thing? | 20:13 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> yes | 20:13 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> aaaa, I forgot, I alway chage it for Super_L+R | 20:13 |
| teward | well... | 20:14 |
| teward | in PURE THEORY | 20:14 |
| teward | could we use lxqt-sudo ? | 20:14 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @teward [<teward> could we use lxqt-sudo ?], it breaks discover in kubuntu | 20:14 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> ^ that. Kubuntu doesn't have it. | 20:14 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @HMollerCl [$ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect …], IIRC, policykit needs to be told it is ok to use pkexec with the app 1st | 20:15 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> in lxqt-runner pkexec software-properties-qt does nothing | 20:15 |
| teward | lol unattended upgrades is locking dpkg so I can't do things >.> | 20:16 |
| teward | *kicks system* | 20:16 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> if sudo is not an option, 2 .desktop files is the simplest solution | 20:16 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt; | 20:18 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> ? | 20:18 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> or use a gui "sudo" that rule us all | 20:20 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> what about "sudo -i" | 20:21 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> ? | 20:21 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> sudo -i software-properties-qt | 20:21 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @HMollerCl [@acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt;], OnlyShowIn=KDE; | 20:22 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @acheronuk [OnlyShowIn=KDE;], thanks! | 20:22 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> what are you calling the .desktop file? | 20:23 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> software-properties-qt | 20:24 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> is this https://git.launchpad.net/software-properties/tree/data/software-properties-qt.desktop.in | 20:24 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> when running software-properties-qt w/o root privileges (bypassing the control) "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic'" | 20:50 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#378 | 20:51 | |
| lubot | <acheronuk> why would you run it without root? | 20:51 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> testing, software-properties-gtk is run w/o root | 20:52 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> it asks for root privileges when needed | 20:52 |
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| lubot | <kc2bez> Heyo, not sure how much longer I will have a network connection, do we have a meeting today? | 21:07 |
| wxl | we're supposed to yes | 21:07 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Here is my paste. | 21:08 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Worked with @tsimonq2 on fixing the Trojita build that was failing in ci. … Investigate BIOS full disk luks created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36 … Issue reported upstream https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1099 … Here is some further information https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/blob/master/docs/v2.1.0-ReleaseNotes … | 21:08 |
| lubot | Investigate bringing swaps back. https://phab.lubuntu.me/T22 … I am not sure cala hasn't been written for swap files yet I didn't have any success. I was able to get a small swap partition and the selection for none or small worked too. | 21:08 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36 | 21:08 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bring those swaps back: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T22 | 21:08 | |
| lubot | <aptghetto> To run a GUI app with pkexec, you have to write a xml file and place it in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions and a running polkit agent | 21:11 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Two meetings at once and I can't get to either atm :) | 21:11 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Everyone else go first please | 21:11 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> I am still learning C++ and wrote some comment about the encryption problem | 21:14 |
| lubot | <aptghetto> That‘s all from my side | 21:16 |
| wxl | feel free to fire at will ya'll :) | 21:16 |
| Eickmeyer | wxl: Who's Will? willcooke? | 21:19 |
| * wxl glowers at Eickmeyer | 21:19 | |
| Eickmeyer | I'll see my way out. | 21:19 |
| wxl | good idea :) | 21:20 |
| wxl | I've really had nothing going on over here. Maybe after taxes are done I'll be able to breathe again. :) | 21:20 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I wish you luck my friend. | 21:21 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> I'm looking at the software-properties-qt problem w kubuntu, unless anyone has a better solution I think Ill have to make 2 .desktops | 21:24 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> That's on my side | 21:24 |
| wxl | is there some reason not to do the pkexec option? | 21:25 |
| wxl | @lynorian @teward001 @aptghetto ??? | 21:28 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I think aptghetto snuck his in there. | 21:29 |
| wxl | oh yeah ok sorry i missed that being mixed with the conversation about pkexec | 21:29 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best. | 21:31 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> wxl what are your thoughts on LUKS on BIOS? | 21:35 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @kc2bez [I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best.], https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/0.105/pkexec.1.html | 21:37 |
| wxl | @kc2bez i guess i don't feel bad about an unencrypted /boot | 21:37 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Cala doesn't currently support that though. | 21:38 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I don't feel bad about it either. | 21:39 |
| wxl | oh, hm | 21:41 |
| wxl | and based on this conversation it's looking like they're not very supportive of luks1 being an option | 21:41 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> wondering if it might might not be better to disable it rather than ship it broken | 21:43 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> The manual option would still be there. | 21:44 |
| wxl | sigh | 21:45 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> we could try to patch cala but that seems hacky. | 21:46 |
| wxl | maybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally | 21:48 |
| wxl | it SHOULD just make the default luks version 1 | 21:49 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> maybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally], Wanna follow up with cyphermox? | 21:52 |
| wxl | https://sparkylinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,2354.0/prev_next,next.html | 21:53 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2 read above. we should probably hit it at the debian level. | 21:54 |
| lynorian | sorry I mischedlued something else | 21:54 |
| wxl | although i note in there they say manjaro got around it by (as i hear the implication) using --type luks1 | 21:56 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> We could maybe do the same. | 21:59 |
| wxl | @kc2bez i'm not sure where they make the change though? | 22:07 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I'm not 100 percent sure either but I would guess any call to `cryptsetup` would need it added. | 22:09 |
| wxl | right.. which i'd kind of expect calamares to do and i don't think hacking calamares is necessarily ideal | 22:10 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I don't disagree. | 22:11 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> But Calamares didn't change cryptsetup so I can somewhat see their point too. | 22:12 |
| wxl | oooh i wonder if neon is doing anything about this @kc2bez | 22:17 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Good point. I can download that later. | 22:18 |
| guiverc | KDE Neon was to see if it supports encryption? or to see how? If it's just to see if - I could download & try installing that if helpful. | 22:25 |
| wxl | guiverc: both really. we'd need to check and make sure they're running the same version of cryptsetup, grub, and calamares as we are, for one, if it works | 22:26 |
| guiverc | I can do the first (see if; I can apt-cache policy ... then report back, the 'how' (if it works) is likely beyond me though.. | 22:27 |
| wxl | all good. it's a start and a good go/no-go | 22:28 |
| wxl | guiverc: please report back to @kc2bez | 22:28 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Thanks for checking into it guiverc | 22:29 |
| lynorian | good idea guiverc | 22:29 |
| guiverc | kc2bez: i assume testing-edition? but they also offer unstable & developer - which is best (I've not used kde neon) | 22:30 |
| guiverc | https://neon.kde.org/download | 22:30 |
| wxl | the most bleeding edge one | 22:30 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> ^^ | 22:30 |
| guiverc | :) | 22:31 |
| wxl | er well hold on | 22:31 |
| wxl | i'd actually say try testing. | 22:31 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Testing makes sense. | 22:32 |
| lynorian | soory for missing the meeting I did some more work on several applications on the manual | 22:40 |
| lynorian | I added a screenshot for vlc prefrneces | 22:42 |
| lynorian | did work on the prefrence dialogs of k3b and transmission | 22:43 |
| lynorian | I added how to add watermarks to lowriter | 22:44 |
| lynorian | went back and edited the install chapter for style | 22:44 |
| lynorian | I worked on qpdfview and added stuff like how to open a copy of a current tab in a new tab which I have trouble beliving I did not have before such a useful feature | 22:45 |
| wxl | wow watermarks cool | 22:52 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> The rtd theme is super nice. | 22:58 |
| lynorian | wxl that extension is not rally well maintained at all | 22:59 |
| wxl | oh yeah it's beautiful | 22:59 |
| wxl | that's a bummer | 22:59 |
| lynorian | but glad that theme is well run | 22:59 |
| lynorian | I think I might need teward help with multiple versions | 23:07 |
| teward | i was pinged | 23:27 |
| teward | whatcha need? | 23:27 |
| wxl | multiple versions in the manual | 23:27 |
| wxl | go fix it | 23:27 |
| wxl | love you bye | 23:27 |
| teward | i'm confused | 23:27 |
| teward | i thought we had build problens | 23:27 |
| teward | i thought we had build problems? | 23:27 |
| wxl | I SAID LOVE YOU BYE | 23:27 |
| wxl | :) | 23:28 |
| teward | *pulls out a heavy plasma beam rifle* | 23:28 |
| wxl | lynorian didn't mention anything about build problems.... | 23:28 |
| teward | wxl: well, the initial attempt to get the same utils that lynorian was using ended up not working out of the box on an 18.04 env | 23:28 |
| wxl | hm | 23:29 |
| teward | so i have been working on a RTD deployment "dry run" to see how much specs a basic thing will take | 23:29 |
| teward | because of ES | 23:29 |
| teward | getting RTD itself to run is easy | 23:30 |
| teward | getting it to build? Could be tricky (Docker inside LXD is ehhhh) | 23:30 |
| teward | getting the searching working? ES is a pain | 23:30 |
| teward | lynorian: send me a list of exactly what you need. | 23:35 |
| teward | i'm still beating the crap out of the test instance, LXD and Docker do not play nice together. | 23:36 |
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