lubot<HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker I have an installation of 22march adaily and pdf are opened by libreoffice, not qps.13:01
lubot<teward001> @lynorian13:36
lubot<teward001> got busy :/13:36
lubot<teward001> will stab it this weekend though if I get the chance :P13:36
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#37319:14
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#37519:22
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#37619:34
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#37719:40
lubot<HMollerCl> @acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ?19:49
lubot<HMollerCl> the .desktop says OnlyShowIn=LXQt; I don't know why it appear in kubuntu19:50
lubot<HMollerCl> oooo, It does'nt appear, is called by discover19:51
lubot<HMollerCl> ???19:51
lubot<acheronuk> @HMollerCl [@acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ?], Discover uses kdesu to raise privaleges on executing it. Previously it worked fine with just 'Exec = software-propertie-qt'19:51
lubot<acheronuk> 'Exec = sudo software-propertie-qt' would probably not break19:52
lubot<teward001> i assume yuo meant `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` ;)19:53
lubot<acheronuk> yes19:53
lubot<HMollerCl> just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right?19:54
lubot<HMollerCl> If that's teh case, maybe the best option is to create 2 .desktops one w/o lxqt-sudo for kubuntu/discover and one only for lxqt with lxqt-sudo19:55
lubot<acheronuk> @HMollerCl [just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right?], No it doesn't. It would be good if it would.19:57
lubot<acheronuk> But I'm not that fussed. I would prefer it actually launches. … Using just  `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` should manage that for both of us with needing seperate desktop files19:58
lubot<acheronuk> Ummm. maybe19:59
lubot<HMollerCl> but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong?19:59
lubot<tsimonq2> @HMollerCl [but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong?], Pure sudo, yes20:01
lubot<tsimonq2> Using policykit it's mostly fine20:01
lubot<acheronuk> Muon is ok, as it doesn't use the .desktop file exec line to launch it. It kdesu's the binary path20:04
lubot<HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 [Using policykit it's mostly fine], so, the solution would be change lxqt-sudo for sudo in the .desktop?20:06
lubot<teward001> I'm confused, does `pkexec` not exist here, or does it just not work for the needs?20:07
lubot<teward001> (I forget :/)20:07
lubot<tsimonq2> Discover runs it with root20:07
lubot<teward001> wow this daily Lubuntu VM I have is in dire need of updates...20:08
lubot<HMollerCl> @teward001 [I'm confused, does pkexec not exist here, or does it just not work for this case …], $ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display  … Could not connect to any X display.20:09
lubot<teward001> you ran that on terminal right?20:09
lubot<HMollerCl> @teward001 [you ran that on terminal right?], yes20:09
lubot<acheronuk> @tsimonq2 [Discover runs it with root], via kdesu20:09
lubot<teward001> did you try with alt+F2 ?20:09
lubot<teward001> i'm assuming it won't work but...20:10
lubot<teward001> you shouldn't use `sudo` for executing a GUI app20:10
lubot<teward001> even via its desktop file20:10
lubot<HMollerCl> @teward001 [did you try with alt+F2 ?], how is this? you mean from tty? ctrl+alt+f2?20:11
lubot<kc2bez> or lxqt-runner20:11
lubot<teward001> ^ use that and test20:11
tewardin a non VM environment, lxqt-runner can be fast-run with Alt+F220:12
tewardis lxqt-sudo a thing?20:13
lubot<kc2bez> yes20:13
lubot<HMollerCl> aaaa, I forgot, I alway chage it for Super_L+R20:13
tewardin PURE THEORY20:14
tewardcould we use lxqt-sudo ?20:14
lubot<HMollerCl> @teward [<teward> could we use lxqt-sudo ?], it breaks discover in kubuntu20:14
lubot<kc2bez> ^ that. Kubuntu doesn't have it.20:14
lubot<acheronuk> @HMollerCl [$ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect …], IIRC, policykit needs to be told it is ok to use pkexec with the app 1st20:15
lubot<HMollerCl> in lxqt-runner pkexec software-properties-qt does nothing20:15
tewardlol unattended upgrades is locking dpkg so I can't do things >.>20:16
teward*kicks system*20:16
lubot<HMollerCl> if sudo is not an option, 2 .desktop files is the simplest solution20:16
lubot<HMollerCl> @acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt;20:18
lubot<HMollerCl> ?20:18
lubot<HMollerCl> or use a gui "sudo" that rule us all20:20
lubot<HMollerCl> what about "sudo -i"20:21
lubot<HMollerCl> ?20:21
lubot<HMollerCl> sudo -i software-properties-qt20:21
lubot<acheronuk> @HMollerCl [@acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt;], OnlyShowIn=KDE;20:22
lubot<HMollerCl> @acheronuk [OnlyShowIn=KDE;], thanks!20:22
lubot<acheronuk> what are you calling the .desktop file?20:23
lubot<HMollerCl> software-properties-qt20:24
lubot<HMollerCl> is this https://git.launchpad.net/software-properties/tree/data/software-properties-qt.desktop.in20:24
lubot<HMollerCl> when running software-properties-qt w/o root privileges (bypassing the control) "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic'"20:50
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#37820:51
lubot<acheronuk> why would you run it without root?20:51
lubot<HMollerCl> testing, software-properties-gtk is run w/o root20:52
lubot<HMollerCl> it asks for root privileges when needed20:52
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lubot<kc2bez> Heyo, not sure how much longer I will have a network connection, do we have a meeting today?21:07
wxlwe're supposed to yes21:07
lubot<kc2bez> Here is my paste.21:08
lubot<kc2bez> Worked with @tsimonq2 on fixing the Trojita build that was failing in ci.  … Investigate BIOS full disk luks created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36  … Issue reported upstream https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1099 … Here is some further information https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/blob/master/docs/v2.1.0-ReleaseNotes21:08
lubot Investigate bringing swaps back. https://phab.lubuntu.me/T22 … I am not sure cala hasn't been written for swap files yet I didn't have any success. I was able to get a small swap partition and the selection for none or small worked too.21:08
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3621:08
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bring those swaps back: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2221:08
lubot<aptghetto> To run a GUI app with pkexec, you have to write a xml file and place it in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions and a running polkit agent21:11
lubot<tsimonq2> Two meetings at once and I can't get to either atm :)21:11
lubot<tsimonq2> Everyone else go first please21:11
lubot<aptghetto> I am still learning C++ and wrote some comment about the encryption problem21:14
lubot<aptghetto> That‘s all from my side21:16
wxlfeel free to fire at will ya'll :)21:16
Eickmeyerwxl: Who's Will? willcooke?21:19
* wxl glowers at Eickmeyer 21:19
EickmeyerI'll see my way out.21:19
wxlgood idea :)21:20
wxlI've really had nothing going on over here. Maybe after taxes are done I'll be able to breathe again. :)21:20
lubot<kc2bez> I wish you luck my friend.21:21
lubot<HMollerCl> I'm looking at the software-properties-qt problem w kubuntu, unless anyone has a better solution I think Ill have to make 2 .desktops21:24
lubot<HMollerCl> That's on my side21:24
wxlis there some reason not to do the pkexec option?21:25
wxl@lynorian @teward001 @aptghetto ???21:28
lubot<kc2bez> I think aptghetto snuck his in there.21:29
wxloh yeah ok sorry i missed that being mixed with the conversation about pkexec21:29
lubot<kc2bez> I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best.21:31
lubot<kc2bez> wxl what are your thoughts on LUKS on BIOS?21:35
lubot<acheronuk> @kc2bez [I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best.], https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/0.105/pkexec.1.html21:37
wxl@kc2bez i guess i don't feel bad about an unencrypted /boot21:37
lubot<kc2bez> Cala doesn't currently support that though.21:38
lubot<kc2bez> I don't feel bad about it either.21:39
wxloh, hm21:41
wxland based on this conversation it's looking like they're not very supportive of luks1 being an option21:41
lubot<kc2bez> wondering if it might might not be better to disable it rather than ship it broken21:43
lubot<kc2bez> The manual option would still be there.21:44
lubot<kc2bez> we could try to patch cala but that seems hacky.21:46
wxlmaybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally21:48
wxlit SHOULD just make the default luks version 121:49
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> maybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally], Wanna follow up with cyphermox?21:52
wxl@tsimonq2 read above. we should probably hit it at the debian level.21:54
lynoriansorry I mischedlued something else 21:54
wxlalthough i note in there they say manjaro got around it by (as i hear the implication) using --type luks121:56
lubot<kc2bez> We could maybe do the same.21:59
wxl@kc2bez i'm not sure where they make the change though?22:07
lubot<kc2bez> I'm not 100 percent sure either but I would guess any call to `cryptsetup` would need it added.22:09
wxlright.. which i'd kind of expect calamares to do and i don't think hacking calamares is necessarily ideal22:10
lubot<kc2bez> I don't disagree.22:11
lubot<kc2bez> But Calamares didn't change cryptsetup so I can somewhat see their point too.22:12
wxloooh i wonder if neon is doing anything about this @kc2bez22:17
lubot<kc2bez> Good point. I can download that later.22:18
guivercKDE Neon was to see if it supports encryption? or to see how?  If it's just to see if - I could download & try installing that if helpful.22:25
wxlguiverc: both really. we'd need to check and make sure they're running the same version of cryptsetup, grub, and calamares as we are, for one, if it works22:26
guivercI can do the first (see if; I can apt-cache policy ... then report back, the 'how' (if it works) is likely beyond me though..22:27
wxlall good. it's a start and a good go/no-go22:28
wxlguiverc: please report back to @kc2bez22:28
lubot<kc2bez> Thanks for checking into it guiverc22:29
lynoriangood idea guiverc22:29
guiverckc2bez: i assume testing-edition? but they also offer unstable & developer - which is best (I've not used kde neon)22:30
wxlthe most bleeding edge one22:30
lubot<kc2bez> ^^22:30
wxler well hold on22:31
wxli'd actually say try testing. 22:31
lubot<kc2bez> Testing makes sense.22:32
lynoriansoory for missing the meeting I did some more work on several applications on the manual22:40
lynorianI added a screenshot for vlc prefrneces22:42
lynoriandid work on the prefrence dialogs of k3b and transmission22:43
lynorianI added how to add watermarks to lowriter22:44
lynorianwent back and edited the install chapter for style22:44
lynorianI worked on qpdfview and added stuff like how to open a copy of a current tab in a new tab which I have trouble beliving I did not have before such a useful feature22:45
wxlwow watermarks cool22:52
lubot<kc2bez> The rtd theme is super nice.22:58
lynorianwxl that extension is not rally well maintained at all22:59
wxloh yeah it's beautiful22:59
wxlthat's a bummer22:59
lynorianbut glad that theme is well run22:59
lynorianI think I might need teward help with multiple versions23:07
tewardi was pinged23:27
tewardwhatcha need?23:27
wxlmultiple versions in the manual23:27
wxlgo fix it23:27
wxllove you bye23:27
tewardi'm confused23:27
tewardi thought we had build problens23:27
tewardi thought we had build problems?23:27
teward*pulls out a heavy plasma beam rifle*23:28
wxllynorian didn't mention anything about build problems....23:28
tewardwxl: well, the initial attempt to get the same utils that lynorian was using ended up not working out of the box on an 18.04 env23:28
tewardso i have been working on a RTD deployment "dry run" to see how much specs a basic thing will take23:29
tewardbecause of ES23:29
tewardgetting RTD itself to run is easy23:30
tewardgetting it to build?  Could be tricky (Docker inside LXD is ehhhh)23:30
tewardgetting the searching working?  ES is a pain23:30
tewardlynorian: send me a list of exactly what you need.23:35
tewardi'm still beating the crap out of the test instance, LXD and Docker do not play nice together.23:36

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