 @The_LoudSpeaker I have an installation of 22march adaily and pdf are opened by libreoffice, not qps.
 @lynorian
 got busy :/
 will stab it this weekend though if I get the chance :P
[19:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#373
[19:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#375
[19:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#376
[19:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#377
 @acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ?
 the .desktop says OnlyShowIn=LXQt; I don't know why it appear in kubuntu
 oooo, It does'nt appear, is called by discover
 ???
 @HMollerCl [@acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ?], Discover uses kdesu to raise privaleges on executing it. Previously it worked fine with just 'Exec = software-propertie-qt'
 'Exec = sudo software-propertie-qt' would probably not break
 i assume yuo meant `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` ;)
 yes
 just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right?
 If that's teh case, maybe the best option is to create 2 .desktops one w/o lxqt-sudo for kubuntu/discover and one only for lxqt with lxqt-sudo
 @HMollerCl [just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right?], No it doesn't. It would be good if it would.
 But I'm not that fussed. I would prefer it actually launches. … Using just  `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` should manage that for both of us with needing seperate desktop files
 Ummm. maybe
 but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong?
 @HMollerCl [but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong?], Pure sudo, yes
 Using policykit it's mostly fine
 Muon is ok, as it doesn't use the .desktop file exec line to launch it. It kdesu's the binary path
 @tsimonq2 [Using policykit it's mostly fine], so, the solution would be change lxqt-sudo for sudo in the .desktop?
 I'm confused, does `pkexec` not exist here, or does it just not work for the needs?
 (I forget :/)
 Discover runs it with root
 wow this daily Lubuntu VM I have is in dire need of updates...
 @teward001 [I'm confused, does pkexec not exist here, or does it just not work for this case …], $ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display  … Could not connect to any X display.
 you ran that on terminal right?
 @teward001 [you ran that on terminal right?], yes
 @tsimonq2 [Discover runs it with root], via kdesu
 did you try with alt+F2 ?
 i'm assuming it won't work but...
 you shouldn't use `sudo` for executing a GUI app
 even via its desktop file
 @teward001 [did you try with alt+F2 ?], how is this? you mean from tty? ctrl+alt+f2?
 or lxqt-runner
 ^ use that and test
[20:12] <teward> in a non VM environment, lxqt-runner can be fast-run with Alt+F2
[20:13] <teward> um...
[20:13] <teward> is lxqt-sudo a thing?
 yes
 aaaa, I forgot, I alway chage it for Super_L+R
[20:14] <teward> well...
[20:14] <teward> in PURE THEORY
[20:14] <teward> could we use lxqt-sudo ?
 @teward [<teward> could we use lxqt-sudo ?], it breaks discover in kubuntu
 ^ that. Kubuntu doesn't have it.
 @HMollerCl [$ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect …], IIRC, policykit needs to be told it is ok to use pkexec with the app 1st
 in lxqt-runner pkexec software-properties-qt does nothing
[20:16] <teward> lol unattended upgrades is locking dpkg so I can't do things >.>
[20:16] <teward> *kicks system*
 if sudo is not an option, 2 .desktop files is the simplest solution
 @acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt;
 ?
 or use a gui "sudo" that rule us all
 what about "sudo -i"
 ?
 sudo -i software-properties-qt
 @HMollerCl [@acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt;], OnlyShowIn=KDE;
 @acheronuk [OnlyShowIn=KDE;], thanks!
 what are you calling the .desktop file?
 software-properties-qt
 is this https://git.launchpad.net/software-properties/tree/data/software-properties-qt.desktop.in
 when running software-properties-qt w/o root privileges (bypassing the control) "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic'"
[20:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#378
 why would you run it without root?
 testing, software-properties-gtk is run w/o root
 it asks for root privileges when needed
 Heyo, not sure how much longer I will have a network connection, do we have a meeting today?
[21:07] <wxl> we're supposed to yes
 Here is my paste.
 Worked with @tsimonq2 on fixing the Trojita build that was failing in ci.  … Investigate BIOS full disk luks created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36  … Issue reported upstream https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1099 … Here is some further information https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/blob/master/docs/v2.1.0-ReleaseNotes …
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bring those swaps back: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T22
 To run a GUI app with pkexec, you have to write a xml file and place it in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions and a running polkit agent
 Two meetings at once and I can't get to either atm :)
 Everyone else go first please
 I am still learning C++ and wrote some comment about the encryption problem
 That‘s all from my side
[21:16] <wxl> feel free to fire at will ya'll :)
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> wxl: Who's Will? willcooke?
[21:19]  * wxl glowers at Eickmeyer 
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> I'll see my way out.
[21:20] <wxl> good idea :)
[21:20] <wxl> I've really had nothing going on over here. Maybe after taxes are done I'll be able to breathe again. :)
 I wish you luck my friend.
 I'm looking at the software-properties-qt problem w kubuntu, unless anyone has a better solution I think Ill have to make 2 .desktops
 That's on my side
[21:25] <wxl> is there some reason not to do the pkexec option?
[21:28] <wxl> @lynorian @teward001 @aptghetto ???
 I think aptghetto snuck his in there.
[21:29] <wxl> oh yeah ok sorry i missed that being mixed with the conversation about pkexec
 I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best.
 wxl what are your thoughts on LUKS on BIOS?
 @kc2bez [I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best.], https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/0.105/pkexec.1.html
[21:37] <wxl> @kc2bez i guess i don't feel bad about an unencrypted /boot
 Cala doesn't currently support that though.
 I don't feel bad about it either.
[21:41] <wxl> oh, hm
[21:41] <wxl> and based on this conversation it's looking like they're not very supportive of luks1 being an option
 wondering if it might might not be better to disable it rather than ship it broken
 The manual option would still be there.
[21:45] <wxl> sigh
 we could try to patch cala but that seems hacky.
[21:48] <wxl> maybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally
[21:49] <wxl> it SHOULD just make the default luks version 1
 @wxl [<wxl> maybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally], Wanna follow up with cyphermox?
[21:53] <wxl> https://sparkylinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,2354.0/prev_next,next.html
[21:54] <wxl> @tsimonq2 read above. we should probably hit it at the debian level.
[21:54] <lynorian> sorry I mischedlued something else 
[21:56] <wxl> although i note in there they say manjaro got around it by (as i hear the implication) using --type luks1
 We could maybe do the same.
[22:07] <wxl> @kc2bez i'm not sure where they make the change though?
 I'm not 100 percent sure either but I would guess any call to `cryptsetup` would need it added.
[22:10] <wxl> right.. which i'd kind of expect calamares to do and i don't think hacking calamares is necessarily ideal
 I don't disagree.
 But Calamares didn't change cryptsetup so I can somewhat see their point too.
[22:17] <wxl> oooh i wonder if neon is doing anything about this @kc2bez
 Good point. I can download that later.
[22:25] <guiverc> KDE Neon was to see if it supports encryption? or to see how?  If it's just to see if - I could download & try installing that if helpful.
[22:26] <wxl> guiverc: both really. we'd need to check and make sure they're running the same version of cryptsetup, grub, and calamares as we are, for one, if it works
[22:27] <guiverc> I can do the first (see if; I can apt-cache policy ... then report back, the 'how' (if it works) is likely beyond me though..
[22:28] <wxl> all good. it's a start and a good go/no-go
[22:28] <wxl> guiverc: please report back to @kc2bez
 Thanks for checking into it guiverc
[22:29] <lynorian> good idea guiverc
[22:30] <guiverc> kc2bez: i assume testing-edition? but they also offer unstable & developer - which is best (I've not used kde neon)
[22:30] <guiverc> https://neon.kde.org/download
[22:30] <wxl> the most bleeding edge one
 ^^
[22:31] <guiverc> :)
[22:31] <wxl> er well hold on
[22:31] <wxl> i'd actually say try testing. 
 Testing makes sense.
[22:40] <lynorian> soory for missing the meeting I did some more work on several applications on the manual
[22:42] <lynorian> I added a screenshot for vlc prefrneces
[22:43] <lynorian> did work on the prefrence dialogs of k3b and transmission
[22:44] <lynorian> I added how to add watermarks to lowriter
[22:44] <lynorian> went back and edited the install chapter for style
[22:45] <lynorian> I worked on qpdfview and added stuff like how to open a copy of a current tab in a new tab which I have trouble beliving I did not have before such a useful feature
[22:52] <wxl> wow watermarks cool
 The rtd theme is super nice.
[22:59] <lynorian> wxl that extension is not rally well maintained at all
[22:59] <wxl> oh yeah it's beautiful
[22:59] <wxl> that's a bummer
[22:59] <lynorian> but glad that theme is well run
[23:07] <lynorian> I think I might need teward help with multiple versions
[23:27] <teward> i was pinged
[23:27] <teward> whatcha need?
[23:27] <wxl> multiple versions in the manual
[23:27] <wxl> go fix it
[23:27] <wxl> love you bye
[23:27] <teward> i'm confused
[23:27] <teward> i thought we had build problens
[23:27] <teward> i thought we had build problems?
[23:27] <wxl> I SAID LOVE YOU BYE
[23:28] <wxl> :)
[23:28] <teward> *pulls out a heavy plasma beam rifle*
[23:28] <wxl> lynorian didn't mention anything about build problems....
[23:28] <teward> wxl: well, the initial attempt to get the same utils that lynorian was using ended up not working out of the box on an 18.04 env
[23:29] <wxl> hm
[23:29] <teward> so i have been working on a RTD deployment "dry run" to see how much specs a basic thing will take
[23:29] <teward> because of ES
[23:30] <teward> getting RTD itself to run is easy
[23:30] <teward> getting it to build?  Could be tricky (Docker inside LXD is ehhhh)
[23:30] <teward> getting the searching working?  ES is a pain
[23:35] <teward> lynorian: send me a list of exactly what you need.
[23:36] <teward> i'm still beating the crap out of the test instance, LXD and Docker do not play nice together.