[17:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioInstaller
[17:57] <OvenWerks> Next for installer... allow to install only some packages from a meta :)
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> That will require a folder hierarchy.
[17:58] <OvenWerks> yes
[17:58] <OvenWerks>  also reading the meta depends
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> 19.10 goals?
[17:59] <OvenWerks> IDK
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> hehe
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> If it has to be a 20.04 thing, I'm happy with that.
[18:00] <OvenWerks> With back ports it is not so bad, maybe add an upgrade from backport button first.
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> Well, adding the backports PPA should technically run a "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade", shouldn't it?
[18:04] <Eickmeyer> Unless we omitted that.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> is that what the user would expect?
[18:05] <OvenWerks> I don't think it does the upgrade, just update
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Well, if we run the update, eventually update-manager is going to catch it.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> er, upgrade.
[18:06] <Eickmeyer> So, I guess it doesn't matter.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> So it is effectively done either way.
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> Then we should just add it.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> or at least enable the install button
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> You mean upgrade? There's already an install button.
[18:11] <OvenWerks> We should also refill the available packages to install
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> I agree with that.
[18:12] <OvenWerks> Yes but the install button is normally disabled until a package is selected
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> By the way, I backported lmms and calf, if you didn't know already, to get rid of the calf-ladspa bug.
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> I see.
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> That's expected behavior.
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> So, what's the behavior you're meaning now?
[18:13]  * Eickmeyer needs clarification
[18:13] <OvenWerks> So even add an entry to the package list that says upgrade to backports
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Does that need to be a metapackage or something that just gets hard-coded?
[18:14] <OvenWerks> Hard coded
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> Okay. 
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Do we want to add this to 19.04 (as in, an oversight, oops, found a bug) or to 19.10?
[18:16] <OvenWerks> next cycle.
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Okay.
[18:16] <OvenWerks> backports will add it in anyway :)
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> True.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> But only if a build is manually triggered (which, with the way I've set that up, requires a version bump in the changelog).
[18:17] <OvenWerks> Leaving it for now also looks better for you getting UL rights.
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's true. Wouldn't want to abuse my privilege. :)
[18:18] <OvenWerks> frivolous uploads are not good
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> At this point, only if they're bug fixes is it okay.
[18:19] <OvenWerks> this is not a bug, just a change in thinking. That makes it a feature
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> I already did two post-beta uploads which were approved (-look for the wallpaper I made and -icon-theme for a base on the dark variant of papirus for those that like that).
[18:21] <OvenWerks> wallpaper was a bug in a reasonable sense. Icons could go with that too.
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> Also, I got the screenshot of the desktop in the Ubiquity slideshow updated.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> Other screenshots could use some TLC, but that was the big one.
[18:22] <OvenWerks> \o/
[18:22] <OvenWerks> So we are about a year behind :P
[18:23] <OvenWerks> we have what should have been an LTS (I think)
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> I believe you are correct.
[18:23] <OvenWerks> I guess it is a good first step to ward 2004
[18:23] <OvenWerks> 20.04
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> Yes. More polish on what we have and adding lsp-plugins are definite goals from here forward.
[18:24]  * OvenWerks kind of hopes Ardour 6.0 gets out by then
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> Oh, wouldn't that be lovely.
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> I kindof wouldn't mind making it so that people don't think they have to add the kxstudio repos.
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> We need to be complete out-of-the-box.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> You have made a good start by adding Carla
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> I think we're getting there.
[18:27] <OvenWerks>  I think the more of kx we can add OOTB the better
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> I agree.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> That way we can keep KX from causing trouble
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> That's one reason I'm looking at the lsp-plugins, and am eying distroho as well.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> By not including the parts that do cause trouble
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> i.e. Cadence.
[18:30] <OvenWerks> Falktx has had in mind to add all of his own SW to the debian/ubuntu repos
[18:30] <OvenWerks> for some time
[18:31] <OvenWerks> For Cadence, I should probably take the time to make up a PR to make it less intrusive
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> Well, he hasn't even touched Cadence for a few months since he's been working so hard on Carla.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> He has even moved some of Catia's features (such as buffer selection in the status bar) to Carla 2.1.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Carla 2.1 is going to be real nice. The patchbay will have in-line controls.
[18:33] <OvenWerks> Cadence covers windows and Macos too. It looks for what kind of Linux and does different things depending on what it finds... That is a lot fo work.
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. That's something that others have been giving him PRs for Claudia about. It's set-up to detect Debian packages, but doesn't work well with RPM-based distros or others at all.
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> He's pretty ecstatic about Carla being in Ubuntu.
[18:40] <OvenWerks> His kxstudio iso was always based on ubuntu
[18:41] <OvenWerks> I think if Studio was in good shape he would be happy to just use that... though he does like KDE
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> Then Kubuntu + -installer. :)
[18:49] <OvenWerks> Basically
[18:52] <OvenWerks> There are a few things he does we could never do, like provide a downloaded copy of Ardour.
[18:53] <OvenWerks> I think he has given up on LS though
[18:53] <OvenWerks> LS will die by bad licence
[18:54] <OvenWerks>  I am told that any of the devs for LS that can be found would be willing to change the licence, it is just that some can not be found at all
[19:07] <OvenWerks> There is another project that will deal with the same files now (I don't know how far along it is) and if it gets very far at all, LS will basicly vanish
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> I guess I'm not tracking. LS?
[19:08] <OvenWerks> Linux sampler
[19:09] <OvenWerks> What was previously keeping Carla out of debian
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Oh, yes. He indeed has, and it's no longer a dependency for most projects.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> (till it was removed)
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> Probably was the only reason I was able to get Carla in Ubuntu since he dropped LS.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> yes, I think he also dropped some other builtin synths
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> Fluidsynth isn't a dependency, iirc.
[19:11] <OvenWerks> There are three FS plugins these days I think.
[19:12] <OvenWerks> Calf is the oldest, but a-fluidsynth is now a thing and I think there is one other (aside from AVLdrums which is also FS inside)