[00:11] <kc2bez> wxl: ignore my previous comment, that was unrelated. The bug does look to be fixed in the CI build from my quick test however. 
 Git bisect time :D
 @tsimonq2 [But @HMollerCl can], This is the pcmanfm in lxde I thought wxl had an idea of the problem
 @tsimonq2 [Git bisect time :D], Was that in reply to me?
 @kc2bez [Was that in reply to me?], Yes
 Oh, crazy replied to wxl in IRC. :) Do you want a patch?
 Oh, sure
 Ok. I can work on it tomorrow night if that is good.
 Sure!
 Thanks
[05:16] <guiverc> Thanks & Sorry wxl,  I'm not with it enough today so giving up.  I'll test & try again (& correct comments on 1822249 & 1823569) tomorrow 
[05:17] <wxl> no problem guiverc 
[05:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Cala segfault when performing action with no selection] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T40
[12:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Cala segfault when performing action with no selection] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T40#414
[12:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T2: Fix EFI encryption] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2#418
[13:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#420
[13:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T41: Lubuntu 19.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41
[13:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#431
[13:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#433
[14:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T2: Fix EFI encryption] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2#434
[14:17] <wxl[m]> @teward001 I just realized we don't have inbound emails set up on phab. Please fix? https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/configuring_inbound_email/
 wxl[m] already on the list of things to fix.  it's more tricky than just that, I have to set up a postfix relay on the host to properly hand messages to proper backends if we end up having more than one backend that needs email
[14:20] <wxl[m]> K
[14:20] <teward> also need to coordinate with Canonical SA because *all* @lubuntu.me mail flows through seviper.u.c
[14:21] <teward> and i'll have to remember exactly what types of address needs redirected
[14:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#443
[14:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#446
[14:42] <apt-ghetto> What's about the minimum requirements set to 1 GB RAM? Will this be dropped for 19.04?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> What's about the minimum requirements set to 1 GB RAM? Will this be …], Fresh installation is not much more than 300mb
[14:48] <apt-ghetto> Yes, but in calamares there is some setting that prevent the installation with =< 1 GiB RAM and 8 GiB disk space
[14:49] <apt-ghetto> At the moment I don't find it
 ^ I think it might actually be 1G free
[15:14] <apt-ghetto> It is hidden in https://phab.lubuntu.me/file/data/735jekuin7miys7tvsr3/PHID-FILE-gbi53fcgldahgy3dx2by/welcome.conf
 Test it before you commit it, but I'm ack on trying lower values
 Whatever you find is best, commit it and make a changelog entry and I'll review/upload.
[15:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#447
[15:33] <apt-ghetto> Ok, I will have a look
[15:34] <apt-ghetto> Will the packaging tutorial be available again?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Will the packaging tutorial be available again?], Soon, I have an archived copy on my computer I can just send you when I get home for lunch in about an hour
 @HMollerCl might have it too
 And maybe wxl could upload it too, since he has upload access to Lubuntu packages ;)
[15:35] <apt-ghetto> Don't hurry, I am not sure, if I will have time this evening
 Ok :)
 I'm setting a soft deadline for Lubuntu uploads on Thursday. After that, a considerable amount of effort will be required to get stuff in.
 That goes for mimeapps.list and this
 Anything non-RC
 *inserts ufw into the requisite packages to install but not configure during installation time*
 *shot*
 :P
 @teward001 [*inserts ufw into the requisite packages to install but not configure during ins …], Where's your diff for me to review? :P
[15:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Add `ufw` to default-installed packages list] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43
 @tsimonq2 it's actually a task you self-assigned after inquiring with me, walter, and Seth about whether to include `ufw` ;)
 task is there to track now though 😛
 "Assigned to: none"
 Hmmm
 :P
[15:42] <teward> that's fixed
[15:42] <teward> odd creating the task wouldn't let me assign it to you :/
[15:42] <teward> must be a Phab glitch
[15:42] <teward> *kicks workplace internet*
 @tsimonq2 [@HMollerCl might have it too], apt-ghetto: https://github.com/hmollercl/lubuntuPhab/tree/master/Lubuntu-Wiki here tou can find it
[17:00] <wxl> @teward001 NICE avi on phab
 heh
[17:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#457
 Hey wxl. I am ready with both 18.04 and disco installs for T3 Can you message me in pm? Let's fix this today
[17:17] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker i don't think i can pm you because i'm not on telegram but if you're on irc ok XD or we can just do it here. no reason to pm. plus, you have more people to help
 Okay. So what do I do?
[17:20] <wxl> all that needs to be done is to make a change to lubuntu-default-settings so that that mimeapps.list file is at /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/mimeapps.list
 Okay. I will ping back in a while.
[17:21] <wxl> as you can see we already have one but it's incomplete https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fdisco/src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/mimeapps.list
[17:22] <wxl> man i love dark mode in phabricator but it's so messed up
[17:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T44: add python3-launchpadlib to live seed] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T44
 @wxl [<wxl> man i love dark mode in phabricator but it's so messed up], Oh geez, how did I not see that before now.
[17:25] <wxl> because it sucks sometimes? XD
 Still easier on my eyes though.
[17:26] <wxl> indeed
[17:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Add `ufw` to default-installed packages list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43#468
 @wxl [<wxl> man i love dark mode in phabricator but it's so messed up], Dark mode is louuv <3
 wxl I am double checking but it looks like UFW is already installed, I don't think I added it.
 @wxl [<wxl> man i love dark mode in phabricator but it's so messed up], WOAH there's a dark mode?!?
[17:42] <wxl> don't you check your settings? :)
 I will now XD
 @wxl [<wxl> as you can see we already have one but it's incomplete https://phab.lubunt …], But it needs huge development. I can't read anything in this file in dark mode.
 @kc2bez [wxl I am double checking but it looks like UFW is already installed, I don't thi …], I just booted up a daily live and it is there.
[17:54] <wxl> @kc2bez remember what's on live can different from what's on the installed version, so check there, too before calling it good
 ok, will finish up the install and let you know.
 I just installed a fresh disco build
 It's not there
 @kc2bez
 weird, do we remove it somewhere? My install is almost done, just need to reboot.
[18:08] <teward> unless it's included in the lubuntu packages installed (metapackage or such) I don't think it's kept.
[18:08] <teward> but not 100% sure
 Uh, it looks to be there on mine. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5sXPJN66Fb/
 Opps! just ran sudo ufw enable and it worked. Mybad.
 gufw is not installed by default
[18:14] <wxl> which it wouldn't be
[18:14] <wxl> in general we'd be avoiding any gtk stuff
 @The_LoudSpeaker [It's not there], When I said this I had looked for gufw.
 @wxl [<wxl> in general we'd be avoiding any gtk stuff], k. Noted
[18:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Add `ufw` to default-installed packages list] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43#479
[18:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Add `ufw` to default-installed packages list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43#481
 @wxl [<wxl> as you can see we already have one but it's incomplete https://phab.lubunt …], Hey wxl, I got a file named defaults.list in /etc/xdg/lubuntu/applications in 18.04 Is it the one I should refer to fill this file?
[19:48] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker no. look at the task for the one we need
[19:50] <wxl> oh well. maybe we should look into how to do an unencrypted /boot, @tsimonq2
 @wxl [<wxl> as you can see we already have one but it's incomplete https://phab.lubunt …], I don't understand. As far as I understand, we have to complete this file isn't it?  The file having simillar content and which does the same job in 18.04 is /etc/xdg/lubuntu/applications/defaults.list In my opinion, if we copy the conte
 wxl
[20:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: why don't you try talking with philmanjaro?
 Maybe.
 I'm not giving up yet though.
[20:18] <wxl> might want to hit it both directions
[20:30] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker we currently have this https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fdisco/src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/mimeapps.list but it needs to be complete like https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fbionic/src/etc/xdg/lubuntu/applications/defaults.list but not with those apps because they're old lxde apps
[20:31] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker and no we do not want defaults.list -- it doesn't follow the spec https://specifications.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/latest/ar01s02.html and from what i can surmise is some weird gnome thing
 Yup! that's what I am trying to say! I am right now editing the app names in the defaults.list. I will ask if I cannot find name of some app
[20:41] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker in case it's not obvious the app names are actually calls to the desktop files in /usr/share/applications
 Thanks! But I already knew that.
[20:42] <wxl> just wanted to be sure!
[20:42] <wxl> they don't ALWAYS follow expectations
[20:45] <wxl> for example discover is not discover.desktop but org.kde.discover.desktop
 @wxl [<wxl> for example discover is not discover.desktop but org.kde.discover.desktop], 'ls -a' in that folder showed me this
 Also, for .deb files default app in 19.04 is ___?
 Also, vlc is provided by default right? @kc2bez ?
[21:05] <wxl> this might be helpful for other things but let me look https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[21:05] <wxl> yes vlc is the one
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, for .deb files default app in 19.04 is ___?], ? also which app replaces roller in 19.04 for compressed files?
[21:07] <wxl> ark if i remember correctly.. see the above page.. it has almost everything
 @wxl [<wxl> ark if i remember correctly.. see the above page.. it has almost everythin …], k.
[21:11] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker discover opens .debs
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker discover opens .debs], thought so. already edited
[21:14] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker if you find anything not on that list, let me know and i'll add it
 yeah. sure.
[21:17] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker btw all i had to do was `touch foo.deb` and then try to open it with stuff to figure that out X''D
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker btw all i had to do was `touch foo.deb` and then try to o …], whaaaaat!! Noice.
 Any idea what was glade-2.desktop in 18.04 for? and it's replacement in 19.04?
 Lite. figured it out. It's not present in 19.04. Am I right wxl?
[21:20] <wxl> is that the gtk ui builder?
 yes
[21:21] <wxl> i'm pretty sure we don't have the qt ui builder installed so yeah nevermind that
 also same question for totem.desktop?
[21:21] <wxl> like i said that defaults.list is most likely a gnome thing that we (well, this was when gilir was the primary developer) tweaked for lubuntu
[21:22] <wxl> vlc
 @wxl [<wxl> vlc], k.
[21:22] <wxl> i thought we had removed that in lieu of mplayer a long time ago, so that's strange
[21:22] <wxl> and then we switched to gnome-mpv
[21:22] <wxl> but again that's a gnome thing
[21:23] <wxl> misc/ultravox might not actually work in vlc
[21:23] <wxl> we might want to leave that out of mimeapps.list
 @wxl [<wxl> we might want to leave that out of mimeapps.list], okay
 last time, same question for apturl.desktop
[21:23] <wxl> correction, it looks like vlc can handle it
 @wxl [<wxl> correction, it looks like vlc can handle it], noted.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [last time, same question for apturl.desktop], ?
[21:25] <wxl> i think nothing, really
[21:25] <wxl> apturl is gtk-specific
 @wxl [<wxl> i think nothing, really], Okay after this I am done for the file. checked every one of 180 lines. How should I save it and package it?
 More Importantly, how do I check if it worked?
 Should I replace it with mimeapps.list in my running build and try 'touch foo.pdf' and open it?
[21:28] <wxl> well you can install it on a virtual machine, reboot and click on some things and see if they open with the right thing
[21:30] <wxl> yeah you could create or download example files (or search the drive for one) and then open it up in the file manager
 I replaced the original mimeapps.list in my running disco installation. Don't have a vm ready now. I downloaded a couple of .deb and .pptx files from cms. Worked!
 pdf also working.
 I hope all's good. wxl. Now how do I push this change up? do I directly edit the mimeapps.list in the cloned git repo of lubuntu-default-settings and use git push?
 please reply fast anyone. i have a test in less than 5 hours at 8 in morning! Quantum mechanics is gonna kill me today ;-;
[21:40] <wxl> i'm working on editing the instructions so go study for a bit :)
 Thanks!
 Bye. Have a nice day!
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#483
[21:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Add `ufw` to default-installed packages list] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43#484
 Just mention me wxl when you want me to push the file.
[21:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#485
[21:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#486
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker discover opens .debs], but we we added qpt-deb-installer for .deb
 better than discovery
[22:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#487
[22:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#488
[23:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: Thoughts on bug 1823683?
[23:15] <wxl> @tsimonq2: probably true
[23:39] <lynorian> HmollerCL great a new app for the manual?
[23:41] <wxl> ok that took forever
[23:41] <wxl> here you go @The_LoudSpeaker https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packagingtutorial/
 @wxl [<wxl> here you go @The_LoudSpeaker https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging …], Will look it up.
[23:42] <wxl> there's a fair amount of reading there
[23:42] <wxl> make sure to do it or it won't make sense :)