[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <rbasak> o/
[15:00] <cyphermox> o/
[15:01] <fossfreedom_> hi
[15:01] <sil2100> I suppose we need 1 more for quorum, right?
[15:01] <sil2100> tsimonq2 mentioned he'll be 15 minutes late
[15:05] <sil2100> fossfreedom_: can you wait 15 minutes in case no one else appears?
[15:05] <fossfreedom_> sure
[15:07] <sil2100> Thank you
[15:07] <rbasak> slashd sends his apologies - urgent last minute work commitment
[15:13] <tsimonq2> Hi, sorry for the delay.
[15:13] <sil2100> tsimonq2: no worries o/
[15:14] <sil2100> I guess we've got quorum
[15:14] <sil2100> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[15:14] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr  8 15:14:42 2019 UTC.  The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:14] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:14] <sil2100> (I'll chair I guess)
[15:15] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:15] <sil2100> tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:15] <sil2100> I suppose this is still ongoing, right?
[15:15] <tsimonq2> Sorry, punt.
[15:15] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[15:15] <sil2100> Let's carry it over then
[15:15] <sil2100> slashd to follow up on the APAC Ubuntu community coverage (carried over) <- slashd is not with us today so let's carry this over as well
[15:15] <sil2100> #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:15] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:16] <sil2100> #action slashd to follow up on the APAC Ubuntu community coverage (carried over)
[15:16] <meetingology> ACTION: slashd to follow up on the APAC Ubuntu community coverage (carried over)
[15:16] <sil2100> tsimonq2, jbicha and micahg to vote on "give Rosco2 upload rights to the ubuntustudio packageset - so to the current packageset and however it will look in the nearest future" <- this is done as votes happened via e-mail
[15:16] <sil2100> slashd to add acheronuk to MOTU <- I suppose this was done? /me checks
[15:17] <acheronuk> sil2100: someone did!
[15:17] <sil2100> Yes, it's done I see o/
[15:17] <sil2100> slashd to announce acheronuk's successful MOTU application <- I think this was done as well, but not sure if Eric did send it to all the required lists
[15:17] <sil2100> So let's carry it over for now
[15:18] <acheronuk> there was an email
[15:18] <acheronuk> might have been cyphermox
[15:18] <sil2100> #action Check if slashd announced acheronuk's successful MOTU application everywhere where needed (carried over)
[15:18] <meetingology> ACTION: Check if slashd announced acheronuk's successful MOTU application everywhere where needed (carried over)
[15:18] <sil2100> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:18] <sil2100> #subtopic fossfreedom
[15:18] <sil2100> fossfreedom_: hello o/
[15:18] <fossfreedom_> hi!
[15:19] <sil2100> fossfreedom_: I guess we all know you already, but from the formal POV, could you introduce yourself? ;)
[15:19] <sil2100> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/fossfreedom/UbuntuBudgiePackageSetApplication
[15:19] <fossfreedom_> My name is David Mohammed, I am the project lead of UB and I am today asking for consideration of packageset permissions for our project
[15:20] <sil2100> fossfreedom_: you currently have PPU rights to the main budgie packages, correct?
[15:20] <fossfreedom_> (btw thanks for refreshing the packageset list)
[15:20] <fossfreedom_> Yes - correct - I've listed those in the application also
[15:21] <sil2100> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/disco/personal-fossfreedom
[15:21] <sil2100> cyphermox, tsimonq2, rbasak: any questions?
[15:21] <sil2100> (this is the list of current package upload permissions ^)
[15:22] <rbasak> No questions from me
[15:22] <tsimonq2> None from me either.
[15:23] <sil2100> cyphermox: ?
[15:23] <cyphermox> no
[15:24] <sil2100> Excellent
[15:25] <sil2100> #vote Granting upload permissions to the ubuntu-budgie packageset to fossfreedom_
[15:25] <meetingology> Please vote on: Granting upload permissions to the ubuntu-budgie packageset to fossfreedom_
[15:25] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:25] <rbasak> +1
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[15:25] <sil2100> +1 (I have seen many uploads and SRUs from fossfreedom_ and I was always happy with them)
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 (I have seen many uploads and SRUs from fossfreedom_ and I was always happy with them) received from sil2100
[15:26] <cyphermox> +1
[15:26] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:27] <tsimonq2> +1
[15:27] <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
[15:27] <sil2100> #endvote
[15:27] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Granting upload permissions to the ubuntu-budgie packageset to fossfreedom_
[15:27] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:27] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:27] <sil2100> fossfreedom_: congratulations o/
[15:27] <tsimonq2> Congrats!
[15:27] <cyphermox> fossfreedom_: congrats
[15:27] <fossfreedom_> many thanks all - on behalf of our project ... much appreciation
[15:28] <sil2100> Does anyone remember what in this case should happen to the PPU permissions we have set up for fossfreedom_ in the past?
[15:28] <sil2100> Should we just leave it?
[15:28] <rbasak> Is the package a strict superset of personal-fossfreedom?
[15:29] <sil2100> rbasak: I see at least one package missing in ubuntu-budgie packageset in comparison to the personal-fossfreedom one
[15:29] <sil2100> But maybe it's not needed anymore (since not seeded?)
[15:29] <sil2100> budgie-welcome
[15:29] <fossfreedom_> which one?
[15:29] <rbasak> I wasn't around when personal-fossfreedom was created. IMHO that wasn't the intention of personal packagesets, so maybe it'd be nice to clean it up.
[15:29] <sil2100> fossfreedom_: ^ is that still a thing?
[15:29] <cyphermox> well, he does have upload rights for these pacakges in debian
[15:29] <sil2100> Same for rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar
[15:30] <sil2100> Ah, ok
[15:30] <cyphermox> so a distinct list is relevant
[15:30] <fossfreedom_> ah - that's now a snap - but yeah - for installers if they install budgie-welcome deb they are invited to install the deb
[15:30] <rbasak> If cleaning up, then we could switch to direct PPU for those.
[15:30] <fossfreedom_> snap
[15:30] <rbasak> And remove personal-fossfreedom.
[15:30] <rbasak> That shouldn't result in any functional difference to his upload permission
[15:31] <sil2100> Does anyone volunteer for adding fossfreedom_ to the ubuntu-budgie packageset and (as a separate task) clean up the personal-fossfreedom set?
[15:31] <cyphermox> well, it wouldn't, but sicne it's already there, there is no harm really
[15:31] <sil2100> (by clean up I mean, remove it and switch to direct PPU)
[15:31] <rbasak> I'm happy to take it but it won't be today, which isn't good.
[15:31] <sil2100> I don't mind either way I guess
[15:31] <cyphermox> the difference is that with a personal packageset we can actually extend the list ourselves instead of asking the TB
[15:31] <rbasak> (for him)
[15:31] <cyphermox> (given that we can do that by email, etc)
[15:31] <cyphermox> it's consistent with delegation
[15:32] <rbasak> cyphermox: yes, but it wasn't originally intended to use that mechanism instead of PPU for everyone
[15:32] <cyphermox> rbasak: tbh, the "intended" is unclear
[15:32] <rbasak> I guess we could, but AIUI we haven't actually taken a decision to do so
[15:32] <cyphermox> it's certainly easier for us to do things that way
[15:32] <rbasak> cyphermox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Personal_packagesets_and_glob_expansions
[15:32] <cyphermox> I think it was mostly left to whomever requested it from the TB
[15:33] <cyphermox> sounds consistent
[15:33] <rbasak> It was only for special cases.
[15:33] <cyphermox> ie. a list of packages you get PPU for via Debian Dev could be considered a list that changes often
[15:34] <rbasak> If we want to do it for all PPUs, then fine, but I'd prefer to see us be consistent in how we use the mechanisms.
[15:34] <cyphermox> I mean, I don't care, but it really does seem easier if it was personal lists
[15:34] <cyphermox> it would 1) make it easier for us to extend the PPUs when people request more, and 2) make it easier to audit since the packagesets are already extracted and listed on a webpage
[15:34] <cyphermox> rbasak: +1 on consistency
[15:35] <cyphermox> I prefer the personal- lists.
[15:35] <rbasak> cyphermox: would you like to drive getting the DMB to agree to switch entirly to using the personal- lists?
[15:35] <cyphermox> sure
[15:35] <cyphermox> I'll put it on the agenda for next meeting
[15:35] <rbasak> Assuming my wording is exactly what you want?
[15:36] <rbasak> Sounds good, thanks.
[15:36] <cyphermox> sounds about right
[15:36] <sil2100> Ok, in that case I'll add fossfreedom_ to the packageset, and the rest we resolve next meeting
[15:36] <rbasak> I think I'm roughly on the fence, FWIW.
[15:36] <cyphermox> ok
[15:36] <rbasak> sil2100: +1
[15:37] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to add fossfreedom_ to the ubuntu-budgie packageset
[15:37] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to add fossfreedom_ to the ubuntu-budgie packageset
[15:37] <cyphermox> I'm slightly on the side of personal-, because it's consistent with delegating to us giving the rights, whereas right now we need to ask the TB to run various commands
[15:37] <rbasak> cyphermox: up to you, but maybe an advance mailing list thread would be helpful on this one.
[15:37] <cyphermox> it could be just "edit-acl add <whatever to create a new list>"
[15:37] <cyphermox> rbasak: yeah
[15:37] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[15:37] <sil2100> Anything else?
[15:38] <rbasak> I'm interested in what Launchpad devs think.
[15:38] <rbasak> (on that topic, not AOB)
[15:38] <sil2100> ;)
[15:39] <tsimonq2> Rik told me that his announcements were already sorted.
[15:39] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-March/040618.html
[15:40] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, nothing else from me.
[15:40] <sil2100> Excellent
[15:40] <sil2100> Ok, let's end the meeting for today o/
[15:40] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[15:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr  8 15:40:53 2019 UTC.
[15:40] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-04-08-15.14.moin.txt
[15:40] <sil2100> Thanks everyone!
[15:40] <sil2100> Ah!
[15:41] <sil2100> Eeek
[15:41] <sil2100> I'll sort the announcement for fossfreedom_ as well, forgot the #action
[15:41] <sil2100> ;/
[15:41] <rbasak> sil2100: you can put it in the wiki as an action anyway, as a reminder, if you wish.
[15:41] <rbasak> Of course if you do it right now there's no point ;)
[15:42] <rbasak> (I only mention this because in my head it's the wiki that's the real mechanism for not forgetting about actions)
[15:43] <sil2100> rbasak: true true ;)
[15:43] <sil2100> I like the meetingology notes being consistent though
[15:43] <sil2100> But oh well
[15:46] <rbasak> I feel your pain. Inconsistencies like that bother me :)