[00:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL03cee1c89572: Specify left clicking the clock for calendar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL03cee1c89572
[00:23] <lynorian> yay lugito is notifying manual commits again
[00:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbca587ca153c: Add left click and drag to reagrange the taskbar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbca587ca153c
[00:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL576cdc6815f4: Make quick launch even more expxlict how to use] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL576cdc6815f4
[00:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6dda8b1aa0fb: Make actions for desktop switcher more epxlicit] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6dda8b1aa0fb
[00:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL33c862fba9c8: Add how to get 2 panels and how to remove a panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL33c862fba9c8
 @lynorian [<lynorian> HmollerCL great a new app for the manual?], I think there is no need
[00:50] <lynorian> just please tell me if it is
 @lynorian [<lynorian> just please tell me if it is], OK, I will. Have there might be needed to change the save screen shots in libreoffice
 When D2 will be merged
 It says error trashing file.
 And the fun part is: if I go to desktop preferences, do not change anything, simply press apply, the file vanishes. It's Magic!
 The file pops up after every reboot
 @HMollerCl you mentioned qapt-deb-installer yesterday, Added to mimeapps.list.
 @HMollerCl btw, there are two things: … application/x-deb … application/x-debian-package … qapt-deb-installer will be sufficient for both or should I add discover for the any one?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], Not sure what exactly you tried to delete there but the trash, network, home, and computer shortcuts are on by default. If you want to disable them just right click on the desktop ->  select desktop preferences -> then the advanced tab. If you uncheck the radio boxes they won't appear on your de
[06:24] <wxl> sigh
[06:24] <wxl> i update my dev container and multipath-tools is all messed up
[06:27] <wxl> @teward001 oh master of containers tell me why the smurf i'm having issues with multipath-tools. it seems the root is Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.145 (2017-11-03) and kernel driver (unknown version).
[06:54] <apt-ghetto> @wxl is there a frontend for apport beside apport-gtk?
[06:54] <wxl> not sure tbh
[06:55] <wxl> ah well there's apport-kde
[06:55] <apt-ghetto> I never saw a notification, when an crash report was generated
[06:55] <wxl> ah yes that's apparently what we should be using
[06:56] <wxl> as the recommends for it are kubuntu-notification-helper or lxqt-notificationd
[06:56] <wxl> is apport actually enabled?
[06:56] <wxl> https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/apport-kde
[06:57] <wxl> why does it default to disabled? seems weird.
[06:58] <apt-ghetto> what shows `systemctl status apport`? On my 18.10 it is enabled
[06:58] <apt-ghetto> And I am quite sure, that I didn't play with it
[07:00] <wxl> that's a question of whether or not the service is running, which is not the same question; see the wiki page
[07:01] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Why_is_apport_disabled_by_default.3F
 @kc2bez [Not sure what exactly you tried to delete there but the trash, network, home, an …], Look at the photo, I am talking about the bottom-most icon on the left.
[09:30] <kc2bez> Not sure what that is. You could try deleting it from the CLI I guess.
 in cli it doesn't show up. even when I press ls -a
 @The_LoudSpeaker [in cli it doesn't show up. even when I press ls -a], I have seen it too in a recent daily, haven't have the time to see why
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl btw, there are two things: … application/x-deb … application/x-debian-pac …], Don't know
 how is software-properties fixing coming along?
 Is waiting for merge, since I couldn't figure out how to propose merge now that is on git, @tsimonq2 will merge it mannjaly
[12:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#500
[12:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T2: Fix EFI encryption] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2#501
[12:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#502
[12:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#506
 @HMollerCl [Is waiting for merge, since I couldn't figure out how to propose merge now that …], Yup
 @tsimonq2 You can knock me over with a feather.
 T2 works in Vbox
 More testing seems prudent.
 Wait...
 WHAT
 :D
 Are you saying that *EFI* encryption works here?
 I updated to proposed and I think it worked.
 Wasn't expecting that.
 Whoa
 Me neither ;)
 Like I said we need more testers on that. I don't really trust myself XD
 For sure
 Where is guiverc when you need him XD
 Anyway
 I am not sure he has EFI
 Hmm
 Ok
[12:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T2: Fix EFI encryption] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2#544
 Hahahahaha
 @HMollerCl [I have seen it too in a recent daily, haven't have the time to see why], @The_LoudSpeaker apparently is because of the system link
 https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/1115495983968739329
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker apparently is because of the system link], K.
 @HMollerCl [Don't know], Lite. I put qapt-installer for both
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Lite. I put qapt-installer for both], qapt-deb-installer
 @HMollerCl [qapt-deb-installer], Yup! That only.
 ok
[13:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#546
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [I’ll be home just after lunch. What exactly do you need me to do to test?], do you have bare metal notebook to test?
 with touchpad
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [I’ll be home just after lunch. What exactly do you need me to do to test?], Full disk encryption with UEFI
[13:51] <apt-ghetto> See https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2
[13:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Fix EFI encryption: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2
 @aptghetto [Full disk encryption with UEFI], I didn't get that option yesterday when I did a full disk Install
 But it installed in uefi and secure boot on.
 #Ask Is it possible to install arch alongside lubuntu?
 Oh okay
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [I mean I have 2 bare metal laptops with touchpads and 1 MacBook with a touchpad. …], Test on it the TouchPad behaivour with the daily, tap to clock, 2 finger scrolling
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [Will do. (Tap to clock?)], Tap to click
 @HMollerCl [Tap to click], Not working by default. I had to install synaptics. I mean I had to run 'apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics'
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Not working by default. I had to install synaptics. I mean I had to run 'apt ins …], In 19.04?
 Yup!
 19.04 has touchpad control. No need to install other
 We are configuring it now
 but it didn't have tap to click by default, there was no option to enable it either.
 It had natural scrolling and single click to activate items but not tap to click.
 Lubuntu logoff brings black screen
 How to login?
 @aptghetto [Full disk encryption with UEFI], Yes, but the key point is that you need to upgrade to the kpmcore in disco-proposed before doing it
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [Is that baked in the daily, or must I do it manually? And if manually, how?], It has to be done manually
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpmcore/3.3.0-5/+build/16603055
 libkpmcore7 is the package name
 @The_LoudSpeaker [It had natural scrolling and single click to activate items but not tap to click …], single click to activae items is tap to click, I didn't chose the name
 You'll need to download that and install it with `sudo apt install ./path/to/file.deb`
 @HMollerCl [single click to activae items is tap to click, I didn't chose the name], Ohh!! I should have tried it! I will uninstall synaptics. and test again.
 @lynorian that need to be added to the manual, the "single click to activate items" = "tap to click"
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [So don’t go with preset partitions, just give it the whole disk and encrypt. Cor …], Yeah
 @Pristinesnowflake [Lubuntu logoff brings black screen], Please go to our support channel at https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support
 Hey wxl. I followed all the instructions on  … https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-requirements/ … Now what?
[14:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#547
 @HMollerCl [single click to activae items is tap to click, I didn't chose the name], Also, shouldn'tit be enabled by default?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, shouldn'tit be enabled by default?], Yes, it should be in yesterday's or today daily
 @HMollerCl [Yes, it should be in yesterday's or today daily], I didn't actually upload your change yet :)
 @tsimonq2 [I didn't actually upload your change yet :)], Although it's in phab you need to upload? I did git push not arc diff on this
 @HMollerCl [Although it's in phab you need to upload? I did git push not arc diff on this], Right
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 oh master of containers tell me why the smurf i'm having issues …], ERR: Not Enough Details.  LXD?  Docker?  Privileged/Unprivileged containers? Need more info.
[16:49] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker @HMollerCl i repeat again and again: synpatics is deprecated in lieu of libinput
[16:52] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you need to follow the instructions. the basic run down is in /packagingtutorial but you should read /packaging-exceptions and /packaging-example for sure for it to all make sense. do note the exceptions are relevant since lubuntu-default-settings is a native package so exceptions do apply
 wxl: mmm, the flag in lxqt has this name "SynPS%252F2%2520Synaptics%2520TouchPad\tappingEnabled=1"
[16:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2 your new versioning scheme for native packages is used in all native packages? if so we need to modify the instructions
[16:53] <wxl> oh they wouldn't.
[16:57] <wxl> @HMollerCl something is weird here https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/blob/master/lxqt-config-input/touchpaddevice.cpp#L310
 mmmm, maybe it's only the name of the flag.
 here is the funny name https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/blob/master/lxqt-config-input/touchpadconfig.ui#L37
[17:00] <wxl> also here's an issue that starts out talking about synaptics and ends with libinput https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/issues/405#issuecomment-416193561
[17:00] <wxl> yeah i know @HMollerCl. feel free to send a pull request!
[17:04] <wxl> perhaps there are touchpads that aren't libinput compatible
 aaaaaaaaa, could be, I tested in a very old notebook.
 "designed for xp" kind of old
 I hope they don't change the name of the flag regarding if it's or not libinput compatible
[17:07] <wxl> right. we need someone on a more modern touchpad to do some testing ensuring they're not using synpatics
[17:07] <wxl> alternately you might try removing synaptics and try these options https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput#Touchpad_not_detected_at_all
[17:08] <wxl> ideally we should have both
 Wondering where we coudl get the names of the flags read.
 at least tsujan agreed on chnaging the name https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/issues/405#issuecomment-481342175
[17:19] <wxl> wow miracles never cease
[17:20] <wxl> so libinput should have good general support. if your touchpad isn't recognized, file a bug https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/reporting-bugs.html#reporting-bugs-touchpad
[17:21] <wxl> if it IS recognized and you CAN use libinput tools to change tap to click behavior but you DO NOT see it in input settings without installing synaptics, that's a bug for lxqt
 I hope I can do it this night
[17:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#549
[17:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL13e59f07dfaa: Fix warning] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL13e59f07dfaa
[18:08] <wxl> teward: oh, btw lxd and should be unpriv
[18:09] <teward> wxl: need repro steps / test case
[18:09] <teward> to dig into it :p
[18:10] <wxl> all i did was try to upgrade my disco container :(
[18:10] <wxl> in the process multipath-tools was restarting and that failed, which kept ubuntu-server from upgrading
 @wxl upgrade the container like normal?  Because if I spin an image up now it'll be last night's daily image
[18:11] <wxl> yup
 so testing might skip over any 'fixed' things
[18:11] <wxl> to be fair i hadn't updated in a long while, probably since near the beginning of the cycle
[18:11] <wxl> i did NOT dist-upgrade
 *judges @wxl*
[18:12] <wxl> well i haven't used it so i'm not going to feel bad about it
 well it'll take me a while to spin a disco container up to see if I can replicate
 but the chances are i won't be able to repro with the standard image, so you'll have to wait 24-48 hours for them to push new dailies
 for me to get an accurate test 😛
[18:13] <wxl> to be fair i don't even knwo what multipath-tools IS
 lol
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALadd755f2e053: Fix badly worded single click to activate items] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALadd755f2e053
[18:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb581bec607d5: Fix typo of how to launch] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb581bec607d5
[19:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL518985e0d2cc: reword automatically turn on numlock] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL518985e0d2cc
[19:03] <lynorian> thanks hmollercl
[19:03] <lynorian> fixed now
[19:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8dfa76422c69: Add summary on previewing menu on openbox themes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8dfa76422c69
[19:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf28180aac523: Add middle click to minimize] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf28180aac523
[19:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1c664011bbe2: Add close and all desktops to window management] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1c664011bbe2
[19:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb26cc846cdb0: Add window managment menu screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb26cc846cdb0
[19:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1118
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [My touchpad is working as usual. 2 finger scrolling works fine, both for workspa …], And tap to click doesn't work?
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [No, but it never has on this Toshiba satellite. It has 2 ridges at the bottom of …], could you teld me if in your ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf you have a [Touchpad] entry?
 could you go to touchpad setting and activate "single click top activate items"
 ?
 leyboard and mouse settings, last one
[20:29] <teward> keyboard*
[20:29] <teward> :P
 jaja
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [Simon also asked me to mention that when I tried to install to a disk with a fat …], good, can you look again at your  ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf ??
 wxl ^^^ !!!!!!!
[20:37] <wxl> oh ye with the bad username i can't mention, did you have any swaps?
 wxl, I was meaning the picture, can youy see it?
[20:39] <wxl> no
[20:39] <wxl> ^^^ @tsimonq2 isn't there something we need to do with lubot to have it support display of pics?
 Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 could you pastebinit the session.conf content?
[20:41] <wxl> and get a real username XD
 wxl, basically he has 2 tapping enable lines. one teh same as https://phab.lubuntu.me/D1 but the other says logitech and has value of -1
[20:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Set tap to click as default for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D1
[20:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#550
 wxl I uploaded the picture here https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26
[20:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26
[20:45] <wxl> oh boy
[20:45] <wxl> perhaps there's some separate driver?
[20:45] <wxl> jeez we got to go hunt for it huh?
 and see what happened
 mmm, could be
[20:48] <wxl> you have a usb mouse?
[21:03] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf could you get a one-word username so i can actually at you?
[21:03] <wxl> secondly why did you file a bug against lxfind?
[21:03] <wxl> for that matter, HOW did you file a bug against lxfind?
[21:04] <wxl> you really want to run `ubuntu-bug package` where package is the package you're filing the bug against so it will pull in a lot of information. see here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[21:06] <wxl> you fix your name on telegram. i'm not sure, cuz i don't use telegram.
[21:06] <wxl> i'm going to invalidate this bug and you can run it again
[21:07] <wxl> also you might want to avoid the bug report and answer this question first...... did that partition scheme have any swaps at all? even a swap file?
 Yes, it was an arch install with 3 partitions, esp, xfs for /, and a minimal swap.
 @Dreamingwolf [How do I fix my username? … That’s where Launchpad.net took me when I went to Lubu …], I think wxl means removing the emoticons after your ursername
[21:09] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf this should be a notification now, thanks
 @HMollerCl [I think wxl means removing the emoticons after your ursername], Done
 No not the emitcons. To add a username in the settings click edit profile then enter something in the at field.
 @kc2bez [No not the emitcons. To add a username in the settings click edit profile then e …], Did that as well. Did it work?
[21:10] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf does this work as a notification?
[21:10] <kc2bez> Yes.
 @wxl [<wxl> @Dreamingwolf this should be a notification now, thanks], So I should skip the bug report?
[21:11] <wxl> ok good
[21:11] <wxl> yes
 Good. Thanks.
[21:12] <wxl> so here's the deal: core ubuntu (the base of lubuntu) by default mounts any swaps it finds. calamares, on the other hand, will not allow you to erase a disk that has mounted partitions----- including swaps and swapfiles. so you could have turned off the swaps and rerun calamares and all would have worked.
 Understood. So is that considered a bug or a feature...lol?
[21:14] <wxl> good question
[21:14] <wxl> having swaps on ensures that max memory is available for the installer, which isn't bad
[21:15] <wxl> not erasing a drive that's mounted i guess is a defense against accidential data loss, which isn't bad
[21:15] <wxl> i'd like there to be an option to unmount swaps or warn about it, which i've mentioned to upstream already
 Both true. But how much should the installer be expected to protect us from ourselves?
[21:16] <wxl> a lot XD
[21:17] <wxl> especially when they can't read the manual which mentions it XD https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.3/installation.html
[21:19] <wxl> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/860#issuecomment-427693844
 So now I’m expected to RTFM? Did you not see where I mentioned I run Arch? I don’t need no stink in’ manual...
[21:20] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2 i did make an interesting suggestion there of adding a shellprocess to `swapoff`. wonder if we shouldn't just do that?
[21:20] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf oh, i forgot. i'll put it on a wiki page and then you'll read it XD
 XD
[21:32]  * lynorian still has not heard back from teward on read the docs stuff but with 19.04 releasing in just over a week I will make a 19.04 branch and work in that and merge to master once teward finishes
[21:32] <lynorian> to not break 18.10 stuff for last few days
[21:34] <lynorian> I got the 18.10 branch up to current
[21:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6e8a97dfc87a: Update to 19.04 version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6e8a97dfc87a
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL13a32127c3f2: Add prefrences version update to 19.04] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL13a32127c3f2
[22:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL46d9de26b48c: Update accessories version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL46d9de26b48c
[22:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcaccb8ab2482: Update graphics programs version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcaccb8ab2482
[22:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0eb1949fd31e: Add note for tons of featherpad tab management] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0eb1949fd31e
[23:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc868b88c1aa2: Add missing period] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc868b88c1aa2
[23:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd67310b3b95d: Update version number to 19.04] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd67310b3b95d
[23:11]  * tsimonq2 manually yeets a test to see if Lugito can read diffs
[23:14] <tsimonq2> hmmmmmmmmm
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Guess it can't.
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[23:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8e7cefd2bfe7: Update Chapter 4 and Quassel and bluedevil version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8e7cefd2bfe7
[23:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6fb4febdc7c0: Add start on how to use additional drivers for software sources] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6fb4febdc7c0