[00:37] <beaver> hello, i have question
[00:38] <beaver> okay :), can I be awarded a cloak, who distinguishes my "paternity" with my bot ubotu|packages?, for example : /founder/bot/ubuntu/ubotu-search ?
[00:39] <beaver> my robot is recognized here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[00:40] <beaver> emerson tell me privately -> 04/09/19 02:36:57 <*-emerson> It depends on what the ubuntu IRC Council says, they are the only ones who can request an ubuntu/ cloak
[00:42] <beaver> I think I'm in the right place
[01:10] <beaver> i think i'm a trusted user, niko can testify
[01:11] <Unit193> The namespace has to be first, ubuntu/founder certainly isn't right.  If you'd like to apply for Ubuntu membership, we can give you the usual ubuntu/member/beaver though.
[01:14] <beaver> ok it suits me, thank you for trust
[01:15] <beaver> and sorry for my bad english
[01:21] <beaver> i have to stay on the channel ?
[01:24] <krytarik> beaver: Are you already an Ubuntu Member then?
[01:24] <krytarik> !membership
[01:25] <krytarik> If so, please link your Launchpad profile.
[01:26] <beaver> I have no launchpad page
[01:27] <beaver> I just have a profile here: https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/users/beaver
[01:27] <beaver> oops https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/utilisateurs/beaver (sorry)
[01:30] <beaver> no, i am not Ubuntu member
[01:31] <beaver> I am looking for a cloak, in correlation with my bot
[01:31] <beaver> if possible
[01:32] <hggdh> beaver: cloaks are provided at #freenode, not here. Ubuntu cloaks are dealt with t #ubuntu-irc (also not here)
[01:32] <beaver> ok thank you
[01:32] <hggdh> beaver: and an Ubuntu cloak is only given to Ubuntu members
[01:33] <hggdh> beaver: so your best option is to go /join #freenode, and ask there
[01:33] <beaver> my bot has a cloak ubuntu/
[16:49] <shibboleth> i am seemingly still muted in the main channel?
[16:53] <CarlFK> shibboleth: I don't know.  Did you do something to get muted?
[16:53] <shibboleth> well, i did "voice concern" about how fwupd updates were handled in bionic
[16:54] <shibboleth> like... over a week ago
[17:00] <hggdh> shibboleth: yes. And we asked you to stop, and explained why.
[17:00] <hggdh> shibboleth: multiple times, by the way
[17:00] <hggdh> shibboleth: do you understand *why* you were quieted?
[17:00] <shibboleth> you asked me to refrain from any further profanity
[17:00] <shibboleth> profanity
[17:00] <hggdh> and to keep on-topic
[17:01] <shibboleth> how was what i way saying "not" on-topic?
[17:01] <hggdh> and you did not, so I had no other option but to quiet you
[17:01] <CarlFK> shibboleth: please read  over   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines  (again, now.)
[17:04] <shibboleth> =i did. please point out the section pointing out that pushing questionable new features as a security update=totally not an issue and therefore not on topic?
[17:05] <CarlFK> shibboleth: both you and everyone here are volunteers.  If you can't figure it out, you won't get much help.
[17:06] <shibboleth> and how do those two sentences tie in with what happened then and now?
[17:06] <hggdh> shibboleth: there are other channels more appropriate for discussing security, or package policies. #ubuntu is for *support*
[17:07] <hggdh> shibboleth: and I *did* point you to one such channel, and sugguested you to discuss it with developers. You refused
[17:07] <shibboleth> ok, but there is hardly any activity in -hardened and -kernel
[17:08] <CarlFK>  "Recommendations from channel operators"
[17:08] <hggdh> both channels also deal with specific points. For the record, every time I asked on either I was answered.
[17:08] <shibboleth> and whenever a real issue is brought up ops are quick to refer to those, basically giving users the cable-company-runaround
[17:09] <shibboleth> "please hold" :)
[17:10] <hggdh> although I disagree, we are not, here and now, discussing if you are told to wait or not. We are, or so I expect, discussing *why* a moderator had to act
[17:11] <shibboleth> no
[17:11] <shibboleth> i get why it happened
[17:11] <shibboleth> but i'm surprised it is still the case a week later
[17:12] <hggdh> shibboleth: OK. You understand why it happened. Will you keep on-topic, and mind your language?
[17:13] <shibboleth> yes. can i kindly ask that you at least consider the urge to knee-jerk "other channel" every time you simply can't think of a good answer?=
[17:14] <CarlFK> shibboleth:  you answered my simple question with ...  "they may imply skepticism or disagreement"  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
[17:15] <shibboleth> fwupd and lvfs *can* be great for say dell server operators who don't run windows bare-metal
[17:16] <shibboleth> but making firmware "changes" that easy on everyone and their moms box will lead to blood and tears
[17:16] <shibboleth> and releasing the mechanism for that as a "security update" is questionable.
[17:17] <hggdh> shibboleth: and this is the wrong channel to discuss this. Again.
[17:17] <hggdh> shibboleth: anyway, I un-quieted you at #ubuntu
[17:17] <shibboleth> thanks, i noticed
[17:19] <hggdh> shibboleth: now, please keep in mind that the CoC *is* to be followed (not only at #ubuntu, but on all of the Ubuntu IRC namespace)
[17:20] <hggdh> shibboleth: is there anything else we can do for you? If not, please /part; this channel is a no-idling channel
[17:21] <shibboleth> 10-4
[23:54] <stevendale> Oh Unit193 owns TheRedQueen, was worried I'd have to welcome a new member of the op team
[23:54] <stevendale> Well congrats on making a bot Unit193
[23:54] <Unit193> Been there for years, mate.
[23:54] <stevendale> Oh it was Drone all along
[23:55]  * stevendale faints
[23:55] <Unit193> Anything we can help you with?