[15:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: It looks like we need a doc page on CPU governors and such based on the conversation krytarik had with miiauu last night (22:30ish)
[15:10] <OvenWerks> "Boost" is on by default
[15:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, I just looked at that. There should be something in the Ubuntu Studio Controls documentation.
[15:10] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls
[15:11] <OvenWerks> But... Boost is bad for lowlatency (audio or otherwise)
[15:11] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[15:11] <Eickmeyer> In the doc: In the System Tweaks tab, you will see the options for changing your CPU Governor and turning Intel Boost on and off. If you are doing low latency audio work, the CPU Governor should be set to Performance and the Intel Boost should be off. Otherwise, adjust as desired
[15:12] <Eickmeyer> So, it's there... *shrug*
[15:13] <OvenWerks> I have not played with resetting speed limits which would allow one to set the performance speed higher than rated. I have not had the need.
[15:13] <OvenWerks> It is possible though
[15:14] <OvenWerks> With boost on my system will run .2Ghz faster on all cores when cpu is at 100%
[15:15] <Eickmeyer> I just worry that people will overclock their systems and potentially cause damage.
[15:15] <OvenWerks> it will not over heat even when running that way for 15minutes or more
[15:15] <OvenWerks> That is why I don't provide tools :)
[15:16] <Eickmeyer> And that's why we shouldn't provide the tools. If they want to do it, they can, but I fear we'll get blamed for killing their cat if we provide the means.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> and .2Ghz (3.4 instaed of 3.2) is less than 1% improvement anyway
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> Well, more CPU Power does not necessarily mean less latency.
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> There are far more factors than that.
[15:17] <OvenWerks> In fact building Ardour does not take a noticeable different time with boost or without.
[15:18] <OvenWerks> USB has become the big limiter these days
[15:18] <OvenWerks> 2ms for stability.
[15:19] <OvenWerks> vs. .7 for a pci device
[15:19] <Eickmeyer> Yes, though, it depends on the USB device as well. The ones that are manufactured for pro audio are far better on latency than your run-of-the-mill USB microphone.
[15:20] <OvenWerks> Ya, I don't know if you saw the guy I started talking with who had the samson usb mic...
[15:20] <OvenWerks> I didn't get real time with him and so I don't know where that went
[15:21] <OvenWerks> I suspect the USB mic shows up as texusinstruments or something like that and so is there but not the name he expected.
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I saw that. I've had some luck with USB microphones (I have a CAD U37 USB Condenser mic that performed okay), but Samson, as a brand, is one that I avoid.
[15:22] <Eickmeyer> Mine showed up as a very generic brand as well.
[15:22] <OvenWerks> The documentation does not use drivers for mac or windows which almost makes me think USB1.1 but it says it can do 96k... which is USB2.0
[15:23] <OvenWerks> Either way it should just show up.
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> My USB mic doesn't have drivers for mac or windows either, but it's definitely USB 2.0, and it just shows up.
[15:24] <OvenWerks> So windows has finally added USB2.0 then. They didn't for a long time.
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I used USB 2.0 on Windows for quite some time. Probably since Windows 7. Windows 10, though, definitely has it.
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> My Behringer interface technically doesn't need drivers, but it does have ASIO drivers, probably to deal with latency.
[15:26]  * Eickmeyer doesn't dabble in Windows audio too much.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> So all of the USB devices come with drivers just to be complete with older windows?
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yep, usually for Windows XP.
[15:27] <Eickmeyer> Which is long EOL, but manufacturers haven't updated their process, and it's probably no skin off of their back to keep legacy drivers included.
[15:27] <OvenWerks> Lots of studios use XP because they paid for their SW for it and it works.
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> Then that might be one reason.
[15:28] <OvenWerks> Some studios have many $k invested in plugins and SW
[15:28] <OvenWerks> That is the reason Ardour suports XP builds too.
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> I know a guy that got himself addicted to Waves plugins. Poor guy. Vendor lock-in is real.
[15:29] <OvenWerks> Even though it is a pain because XP is 32bit c++99 and everything else is 64bit c++11
[15:31] <OvenWerks> In fact kxstudio ISO has the same problem as it is based on 12.04 or 14.04 (can't remember which)
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> 14.04, last I checked.
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> He was working on an 18.04 version, but he's not concentrating as much on that as he is Carla.
[15:33] <OvenWerks> He was aiming for 18.04... I don't know if he is looking to do 20.04 or not.
[15:33] <OvenWerks> 18.04 would be better than 14.04 for sure
[15:34] <OvenWerks> just for graphic card support
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> I actually think that Falktx would be happy not to make a new ISO if Studio came with most of his SW
[15:40] <OvenWerks> He would be even more happy if we used KDE ;) but having good kde support would probably work ok too.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> The one thing I wuld like to see, is an ISO that would work as an offline repo having everything isnstaller needs to work. (deps too)
[15:42] <OvenWerks> So a person could DL the kubuntu iso (or other flavour) and the installer ISO and do a complete off line install.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> Institusions like schools like to work that way.
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Wouldn't a persistent ISO do that job?
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> Rather, a persistent USB?
[15:57] <OvenWerks> I don't know, to be honest... But something that is easy to DL even if it is a script to DL what is needed.
[16:00] <OvenWerks> The advantage of an actual ISO or a file system is that it can be compresssed.
[16:01] <OvenWerks> This doesn't help the main part of packages which are already compressed, but there are a lot of parts that are not too.
[16:01] <OvenWerks> Also, it is better to DL one file than many as the transfer startup can be a significant portion of the DL time.
[16:03] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  or are you saying that a ubuntu iso and ubuntustudio ISO would do the job?
[16:04] <Eickmeyer> Not exactly. I'm saying that one can configure any flavor to install the ISO to a USB drive with said drive containing a persistence partition for anything they add.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> I am getting odd text messages from my son. They went to the hospital last night... then were told to go for a walk... just got a message saying "out"???
[16:06] <Eickmeyer> My guess is out of the hospital, which seems like a good sign.
[16:07] <OvenWerks> I would have expected a "it's a boy/girl" kind of message actually...
[16:07] <OvenWerks> out kind of means not yet I think.
[16:07] <Eickmeyer> Oh! I didn't know they were expecting!
[16:08] <OvenWerks> Ya, my second grandchild
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> Nice! So, any day now?
[16:09] <OvenWerks> "out means she's out" "11:58"
[16:09] <OvenWerks> I guess it is another girl
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> Nice! Congratulations!
[16:11] <OvenWerks> Than you
[16:11] <OvenWerks> Makes up for the past two months
[16:11] <OvenWerks> (and then some)
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Absolutely. :)
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> So, I imagine you're probably going to be heading East sometime soon to visit.
[16:13] <OvenWerks> Probably not, The banki account just doesn't have the room
[16:14] <Eickmeyer> I see. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to fly to Texas for my sis-in-law's wedding. My FIL is paying for my wife & son, who are in the wedding, but I have to pay my own way.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> My family would be cranky about just me going...
[16:16] <OvenWerks> But maybe by August we can make it.
[16:16] <Eickmeyer> That's when we're heading to Texas.
[16:16] <OvenWerks> (one seat on four different planes with on sale seats)
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> As a former airline employee, right now would be the time to buy since it's just barely far enough in advance to get the good deals.
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> (I'm a former airline employee).
[16:17] <OvenWerks> I have gotten the best deals when I need to fly tomorrow
[16:17] <OvenWerks> worst flights and worst seats though
[16:18] <OvenWerks> But still better than regular with compasionate discount
[16:20] <OvenWerks> In our case it would have to be last minute anyway. That is when we would know we have the ability to pay.
[16:21] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.