[00:08] <gislaved> MrSelfDestruct I never want to sleep when I'm this far :D
[00:08] <MrSelfDestruct> gislaved: I hear ya when I get involved in something like that I can't sleep until it's done x3
[00:09] <gislaved> MrSelfDestruct ;)
[00:11] <Nalias> Hello everyone
[00:11] <xamithan> Hi,  did you have a problem?
[00:11] <Nalias> Me?
[00:12] <xamithan> Why yes,  this is a support channel after all
[00:12] <Nalias> No, I did not, however, I need help.
[00:12] <Nalias> perfect
[00:12] <Nalias> I'm on anonymous.os
[00:12] <Nalias> I don't know if this is the real deal
[00:13] <Nalias> and I want to know how to use this to my advantage.
[00:13] <OerHeks> no support for that, ubuntu only
[00:13] <Nalias> Anonymous.os is ran on Ubuntu 11.10
[00:13] <Nalias> If I'm correct.
[00:14] <OerHeks> 11.10 is a long time ago, and no, no forks, maybe they have a channel here on #freenode
[00:14] <xamithan> Maybe someone in ##linux knows.  definitely not supported here
[00:14] <Nalias> I will search, thank you anyways. Have a good day.
[00:14] <OerHeks> !alis
[00:14] <OerHeks> ^^maybe a help
[00:15] <Nalias> thank you
[00:46] <RabidWeezle> Anyone know of a channel for pop os? (it's an ubuntu derivitive)
[00:49] <leftyfb> !alis | RabidWeezle
[00:50] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: you might also try #system76
[00:53] <jmcleish> quit
[00:53] <jmcleish> quit
[01:47] <k_sze[work]> Does anybody know how to use the compose key to type a "v" or "V" with an apex (acute accent)?
[01:47] <k_sze[work]> compose + ' + v doesn't work
[01:49] <leftyfb> k_sze[work]: an apex?
[01:49] <k_sze[work]> That's correct name for the diacritic used in writing classical Latin.
[01:50] <k_sze[work]> It's often approximated with the modern acute accent.
[01:51] <k_sze[work]> The equivalent in medieval/modern Latin alphabet would be U with a macron
[01:51] <k_sze[work]> (macron is a horizontal bar above the letter)
[01:55] <k_sze[work]> Shift+Ctrl+U is supposed to allow me do unicode composition, but it doesn't work either.
[01:55] <k_sze[work]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey#Unicode_composition
[01:55] <k_sze[work]> I just get a "u" typed out when I press Ctrl+Shift+U
[01:56] <k_sze[work]> and my current keyboard inpud method system is IBus
[01:57] <k_sze[work]> which is supposed to support unicode composition.
[01:57] <benharri> press shift+ctrl+u, release u, enter the codepoint, then release shift+ctrl
[01:57] <k_sze[work]> tried that
[01:57] <k_sze[work]> doesn't work
[01:57] <benharri> alternately, press and release shift+ctrl+u, enter the codepoint, then press enter
[01:58] <benharri> ṽ
[01:58] <RabidWeezle> So this laptop has 2 drives, the ssd and the hard drive. The ssd is formatted ext4 and the hard drive is NTFS I believe (it was a windows 10 data drive). I want to mount the drive writable on boot. It's been a while since I last edited a fstab... is there an easy way to set it up?
[01:59] <benharri> if you're in gnome, the disks tool can set up automounts for you
[01:59] <k_sze[work]> benharri, odd, really doesn't work
[01:59] <benharri> what codepoint is it?
[02:00] <RabidWeezle> benharri, thanks
[02:00] <benharri> np
[02:02] <k_sze[work]> benharri, the unicode codepoint for the combining acute accent is 0301
[02:02] <benharri> v́
[02:02] <k_sze[work]> odd
[02:03] <k_sze[work]> doesn't work for me. :(
[02:03] <transhumanist> how do I make a repository available to apt install for only a particular instance of apt or for a particular set of packages?
[02:03] <benharri> i typed v, then ctrl+shift+u, then 0301, then enter
[02:03] <k_sze[work]> oh
[02:03] <k_sze[work]> yeah, that's what I tried.
[02:04] <ledeni> v
[02:04] <k_sze[work]> somehow it's broken in HexChat in Ubuntu 18.04
[02:04] <benharri> transhumanist: apt pinning might be what you need
[02:04] <transhumanist> thanks
[02:04] <benharri> i'm using weechat on my vps
[02:04] <leftyfb> transhumanist: why do you need to do this?
[02:04] <k_sze[work]> And this is hexchat from the ubuntu-bionic-universe apt repo, not from the snap store.
[02:05] <benharri> my local machine is debian testing though and it appears to work as expected (also using gnome here)
[02:05] <benharri> in hexchat
[02:05] <RabidWeezle> benharri, under the mount options?
[02:05] <benharri> yeah, mount options, disable the defaults thing and turn on automount
[02:05] <k_sze[work]> I wouldn't be surprised if unicode compose doesn't work with the one from the snap store, but I don't get why it's not working with the one from the apt repo.
[02:06] <transhumanist> leftyfb because I am trying to get a later version of dolphine on ubuntu with the kde desktop installed for 18.04 since it fixes the ability to run dolphine as root
[02:06] <benharri> i wouldn't expect that to be a differentiating factor
[02:07] <leftyfb> transhumanist: doing those types of things is usually a bad idea
[02:07] <transhumanist>   yes I know I have warned the person involved but they don't care
[02:07] <k_sze[work]> benharri, it works in Firefox, :/
[02:07] <benharri> is there a newer version in backports?
[02:08] <benharri> k_sze[work]: i'd be inclined to think it's somewhere in your input
[02:08] <transhumanist>  how do I get the newer version from backports?
[02:08] <benharri> you can check for a newer version across suites with rmadison or packages.ubuntu.com
[02:09] <k_sze[work]> benharri, thing is, I don't even get the "u" with an underline that waits for the codepoint input. I just get a "u" committed.
[02:09] <transhumanist> ok thanks I know that wasn't directed at me but I think its a better idea
[02:10] <benharri> my last message was in response to your question
[02:10] <benharri> k_sze[work]: that's really strange; i can't repro it either
[02:11] <benharri> transhumanist: if there's a new version available, you can do apt install -t bionic-updates <package_name>
[02:12] <leftyfb> transhumanist: I don't seem to see any package with "dolphine" in the name, nor any file containing "dolphine" in any packages
[02:12] <leftyfb> nor snaps
[02:12] <transhumanist> I am actually looking to perhaps compile the version for testing on 18.04
[02:12] <benharri> i'm not seeing that either
[02:12] <transhumanist> sorry its dolphin
[02:12] <leftyfb> transhumanist: ok, that is not supported here and has nothing to do with adding repos
[02:13] <transhumanist> miss spelled
[02:13] <transhumanist> ok thanks
[02:15] <k_sze[work]> Aaaand unicode composition doesn't work in the Terminal app, heh.
[02:15] <k_sze[work]> typing v, then shift+ctrl+u, then 0301, enter
[02:16] <k_sze[work]> oh wait, it ... does?
[02:16] <k_sze[work]> just that it's not really displayed correctly
[02:16] <k_sze[work]> $ v<0301>
[02:17] <k_sze[work]> zsh: command not found:  v́
[02:17] <k_sze[work]> heh
[02:17] <benharri> i wonder why compose key won't do that one
[02:17] <benharri> seems reasonable
[02:18] <k_sze[work]> I think the default X.org compose key list only has the acute accent for vowels.
[02:19] <k_sze[work]> So if I can edit the list, *maybe* I can then use the compose key for  v́
[02:21] <RabidWeezle> benharri, is there a mount option that doesn't mount ntfs as readonly?
[02:21] <RabidWeezle> right now the options are nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show
[02:22] <jcotton> ,rw
[02:22] <benharri> none of those options explicitly mount as readonly
[02:22] <jcotton> it will default to readonly if the volume is dirty
[02:23] <jcotton> (you see this in hibernation or the hybrid shutdown in 8.1/10)
[02:23] <benharri> which is what nofail does iirc
[02:23] <benharri> yeahp
[02:23] <RabidWeezle> hrm... so if I take out nofail I should be good? cause I took 10 off this machine, this was just an extra data drive
[02:24] <RabidWeezle> or can I convert to like ext4 without losing the data?
[02:24] <jcotton> it wasn't a Windows OS?
[02:24] <jcotton> *OS drive
[02:24] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: you can try https://github.com/raelgc/win_us_intl.git
[02:24] <RabidWeezle> right, it was just extra storage drive
[02:24] <RabidWeezle> the os drive has linux on it now :)
[02:24] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: you can re-configure key sequences there
[02:24] <benharri> you're unlikely to run into a readonly mount if it's not windows
[02:25] <jcotton> dmesg might tell you why it decided on a readonly mount
[02:25] <RabidWeezle> it was a windows partition, without windows installed on it
[02:25] <benharri> then you're probably fine
[02:25] <jcotton> if it says it's dirty then chkdsk from a Windows install USB can make it clean
[02:25] <RabidWeezle> yeah, I don't dualboot
[02:25] <jcotton> (no need to install)
[02:26] <RabidWeezle> blarg, that sounds like a pain, I might just format it XD
[02:26] <jcotton> or attach to a Windows VM
[02:27] <RabidWeezle> I thought I remembered a magic command that could covert a partition to ext4 without losing data
[02:27] <jcotton> but it would be easiest if you can just copy off, format, copy back
[02:27] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: if it says it's dirty, you'll need to boot into Windows (or live USB) and run chkdsk TWICE(boot into twice and run chkdsk twice).
[02:27] <jcotton> why twice?
[02:27] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: cuz Windows?
[02:27] <leftyfb> jcotton: ^
[02:27] <jcotton> ic
[02:27] <benharri> copy stuff off and reformat would be the way to do it
[02:27] <leftyfb> jcotton: I've seen it in documentation and experienced it myself
[02:28]  * RabidWeezle thinks
[02:28] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: there is and never has been such a command
[02:28] <leftyfb> is not*
[02:29] <reptile_> hello
[02:29] <RabidWeezle> say I format it to ext4... can I mount it in such a way that it just adds to the free space on "/"?
[02:29] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: no
[02:29] <jcotton> that's a RAID
[02:29] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: not unless you have / as an LVM volume already
[02:29] <jcotton> or LVM
[02:29] <RabidWeezle> ahh
[02:29] <leftyfb> jcotton: adding drives to RAID does not add space. Only with LVM
[02:30] <jcotton> oh
[02:30] <leftyfb> jcotton: let me rephrase, RAID does not allow for growing volumes. That is what LVM is for
[02:31] <jcotton> nod
[02:31] <jcotton> LVM is like Windows' Storage Spaces right?
[02:32] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: that said, what you could do it format as ext4, copy all the contents of you /home to it and mount it as /home. Verify everything works after boot. Once you do, take the mount out temporarily, reboot and clean out the original /home, put back the mount in fstab and reboot
[02:32] <transhumanist>  solution for me was to install dolphin4
[02:32] <leftyfb> jcotton: I don't really use Windows so I can't answer that
[02:33] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: and by copy, I mean you should use rsync
[02:33] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: and have a backup elsewhere regardless
[02:35] <leftyfb> RabidWeezle: as long as your / is about 6-10G or bigger in size, most of the space of your system is typically in your /home. So putting a larger drive there makes sense
[02:39] <k_sze[work]> Hmm, I can't add a compose key for v with acute accent
[02:39] <k_sze[work]> (tried doing that in ~/.XCompose)
[03:08] <plongshot> Soes ubuntu have an upstream source? (namely - Debian) ?
[03:09] <plongshot> Since ubuntu is based on debiean do ubuntu maintainers need to manage upstream changes?
[03:09] <plongshot> Soes\Does
[03:09] <plongshot> :p
[03:09] <hggdh> plongshot: some Ubuntu devs are also Debian DDs (and vice-versa)
[03:10] <plongshot> hggdh: Thst's cool
[03:10] <hggdh> plongshot: many packages are just sync-ed from Debian; some have local deltas. Also, dependencies may be different
[03:11] <plongshot> I'm trying to wrap my brain around the idea of a work base on a work as it pertains to managine a repo (your repo / work).  You end up having another remote source I think and now you have two remotes to deal with. It's confusing.
[03:12] <plongshot> That's what I need to know - a deeper understainding of the different ways to deal with having an upstream dependency in your project.
[03:12] <plongshot> I don't know how to manage having an upstream dep
[03:12] <hggdh> actually this is better discussed on #u-discuss than here
[03:12] <plongshot> sigh
[03:12] <plongshot> ok ok
[03:39]  * RabidWeezle sits around watching mc copy over his entire home folder to his new data drive...
[03:41] <RabidWeezle> just realized I just started a copy of ~/* to it... and I think I'm supposed to do /home/*
[03:43] <RabidWeezle> guess I could mount it as /home/<name>/
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <dsg_> i have the nfs and I want to know the read and writes stats that get performed in the nfs volume
[04:45] <dsg_> how can i get
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> !nfs | dsg_ can this help?
[04:50] <dsg_> lotuspsychje: nope that didnt help
[04:59] <brendantcc|web> wait, 14.04 is still supported?
[04:59] <brendantcc|web> also, hello!
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> brendantcc|web: not long anymore, but yes
[05:00] <brendantcc|web> kk :)
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> brendantcc|web: now would be the time to upgrade, or move to other releases
[05:01] <brendantcc|web> ik ik, i was just curious
[05:01] <brendantcc|web> i noticed it in the topic and was like "holy HECK"
[05:01] <brendantcc|web> i sent my brother down to a nearby shop to buy a USB key, is 16gb all good for the 18.04 LTS installer ISO?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> brendantcc|web: yes, plenty
[05:02] <brendantcc|web> okie thanks man
[05:03] <brendantcc|web> i just got an iMessage from him that says hes just waiting for a bus home
[05:04] <brendantcc|web> also, does the default WM work okay with dual screens?
[05:04] <brendantcc|web> in extension mode?\
[05:05] <argusbr> https://pastebin.com/raw/tDUXmrX0 how to print line by line out put?
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> brendantcc|web: dualscreens are supported in gnome yes
[05:07] <brendantcc|web> ok
[05:07] <brendantcc|web> is it relatively easy, like in windows?
[05:09] <oskie_> is there a way to control when the system does "apt-get update"? it seems to happen every now and then on my servers
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> oskie_: for ubuntu server try #ubuntu-server for likeminded volunteers
[05:09] <oskie_> thanks lotuspsychje
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> argusbr: maybe try ##linux as its not really ubuntu related?
[05:10] <argusbr> yes
[05:10] <argusbr> ubuntu related
[05:16] <Quozl> Imagine 32 classroom computers running Ubuntu 18.04.  Apart from reinstalling them each from USB drive, is there any method for re-imaging or cloning by wireless?
[05:16] <guiverc> brendantcc|web, usually when you boot it'll make one screen the left, the other to the right of main screen  (your hardware dictates the order, so at worst you just change position once)
[05:18] <guiverc> Quozl, at CBV we would remove hdd's & clone the wanted system to them, they'd be installed on systems and check booted to ensure perfect (fine-tuning for video card & sound variations between boxes mostly)
[05:19] <Quozl> guiverc: thanks.  how did you deal with connector wear or theft of hdd's?
[05:20] <guiverc> Quozl, CBV isn't a school, so theft wasn't a problem for us..
[05:20] <CarlFK> Quozl: I would pxe boot a preseeded installer over a wired lan
[05:22] <Quozl> CarlFK: ah, as in a "preseed/ubuntu.seed" file referenced on the grub kernel command line?  neat.
[05:22] <CarlFK> Quozl: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/wiki/System-Stack#what-to-do
[05:23] <CarlFK> Quozl: or if you want to dive into the deep end, the goal is https://debconf-video-team.pages.debian.net/ansible/advanced_usage.html
[05:24] <brendantcc|web> cool, thanks guiverc! :)
[05:24] <brendantcc|web> also is anyone here from Canonical?
[05:25] <Quozl> fwiw, i'm from one laptop per child, in this context i'm working as a derivative of debian and ubuntu.
[05:30] <CarlFK> Quozl: you should also look at https://clonezilla.org
[05:31] <Quozl> yes, i've tried that.  it kinda works okay.
[05:31] <CarlFK> Quozl: cloning is faster, but harder to update.  which  include both patches and testing.  and adding new features.
[05:32] <Quozl> the trouble comes in reproducing the solution for others, without one being there.
[05:33] <Quozl> i might have a look at ostree, as i've heard it can be used like that.
[05:33] <CarlFK> pxe/preseed is pretty good.  and the server can be installed from a usb stick (kinda)
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> brendantcc|web: there are canonical members all over ubuntu channels
[05:54] <brendantcc|web> okay so ive booted to the ubuntu disk successfully
[05:54] <brendantcc|web> i wanna change the title bar buttons to that they're a lil more mac-y
[05:55] <brendantcc|web> (move them to the left side of the titlebar
[05:55] <brendantcc|web> )
[06:03] <anirulia> Is my understanding of network manager correct? There's 2 parts: NetworkManager which is common across all *buntu distros and a different 'front end' based on the DE the distro is running
[06:04] <anirulia> eg: KDE has the 'Network Connections' frontend and ubuntu uses a frontend developed by gnome
[06:04] <anirulia> So if NM adds a new feature, all distros can update and use it via the CLI
[06:05] <anirulia> but to use the GUI, the distros maintainers will have to update the front end
[06:07] <brendantcc|web> heya peeps, is Ubuntu 18.04.2's installer meant to close when you get to the disk allocation step and you click "Install no"?
[06:07] <brendantcc|web> *now
[06:08] <fosslinux> brendantcc|web: why am i here again
[06:08] <brendantcc|web> explaining later, rebooting
[06:10] <brendan|znc> why did znc part ubuntu? idk
[06:10] <brendan|znc> fossy: can you please catch me up?
[06:10] <fosslinux> what on
[06:11] <fosslinux> freenode does some weird things sometimes
[06:11] <brendan|znc> answers man
[06:11] <brendan|znc> did anyone reply?
[06:11] <fosslinux> what
[06:11] <fosslinux> reply where
[06:11] <brendan|znc> here
[06:11] <fosslinux> no
[06:11] <brendan|znc> when i asked if anyone knew about the installer
[06:11] <brendan|znc> and could help us
[06:11] <fosslinux> is it still crashing
[06:12] <brendan|znc> i just rebooted the machine
[06:12] <fosslinux> to the liveusb?
[06:13] <brendan|znc> ye
[06:13] <fosslinux> is the installer crashing
[06:13] <brendan|znc> not yet, havent gotten to the step
[06:13] <fosslinux> oh is the MACHINE still rebooting
[06:14] <brendan|znc> im in the installer now, and its working properly
[06:14] <fosslinux> yay
[06:14] <fosslinux> did you make a decision about hardware clock
[06:15] <brendan|znc> ill let it do its thing while i take a shower, and no
[06:15] <brendan|znc> haha oof the entire thing froze
[06:15] <fosslinux> hmmmm
[06:15] <fosslinux> whats your cpu
[06:15] <brendan|znc> while the write changes to disk window was closing
[06:15] <fosslinux> owo
[06:15] <fosslinux> is it always crashing on the disk??
[06:16] <brendan|znc> by the looks of it lol
[06:16] <brendan|znc> next reboot, ill get it to check for defects
[06:16] <fosslinux> yep,
[06:16] <fosslinux> before you reboot
[06:16] <brendan|znc> rofl i gotta send you a photo man but i cant
[06:16] <fosslinux> do you have internet on the livecd?
[06:17] <brendan|znc> yeah
[06:17] <brendan|znc> im connected to the wifi
[06:17] <fosslinux> ok
[06:17] <fosslinux> 1 sec
[06:17] <fosslinux> at paste.ubuntu.com, can you paste the output of
[06:17] <fosslinux> `cat /proc/cpuinfo`
[06:17] <fosslinux> `cat /proc/meminfo`
[06:17] <fosslinux> `sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda`
[06:18] <fosslinux> each one seperatley
[06:18] <brendan|znc> it isnt even respnding thats the thing haha
[06:18] <fosslinux> oof
[06:18] <fosslinux> well at some point can you do that pl0x it will make debugging a hellt0n easier
[06:18] <brendan|znc> rebooting and will tell it to check for defects
[06:19] <brendan|znc> its probing
[06:19] <fosslinux> kk
[06:20] <fosslinux> if it fails and says there are defects, take the usb back to the shops and tell them it's broken and you want a replacement
[06:20] <brendan|znc> lol dual screen bootup screen unlike windows
[06:20] <fosslinux> wat
[06:20] <fosslinux> oh i know wat you mean
[06:20] <brendan|znc> ubuntu is showing the bootup on both displays
[06:21] <brendan|znc> booting direct to the installer
[06:21] <fosslinux> were there defects
[06:21] <brendan|znc> no
[06:21] <brendan|znc> was all good
[06:21] <fosslinux> good
[06:22] <brendan|znc> which surprises me
[06:22] <fosslinux> once it boots, can you pb those 3 commands
[06:22] <fosslinux> the defects thing is the usb, not your internal hard drive
[06:24] <bryanroderyck> hi ubuntu im having a gnome bug after installing python3 can somebody help me please
[06:24] <fosslinux> hi bryanroderyck! what is this gnome bug?
[06:25] <guiverc> bryanroderyck, what release of Ubuntu are you on?  python3 is already installed by default, so doesn't need installing
[06:26] <bryanroderyck> im on 16.04 the version was 2.7
[06:26] <fosslinux> ahh, thats python2 then
[06:26] <bryanroderyck> the python version was 2.7
[06:27] <fosslinux> can you describe this 'gnome bug' in more detail? what exactly is the issu
[06:27] <bryanroderyck> my terminal is not working and the update from ubuntu sofware is broke also
[06:27] <guiverc> bryanroderyck, python will default to python2, but if you use `python3 --version` you'll note python3 is installed also by default (just not default for `python`)
[06:28] <fosslinux> why did you install python 2?
[06:29] <bryanroderyck> python 2.7 was preinstalled then i upgrade to python 3.7
[06:29] <guiverc> bryanroderyck, if you made python3 default; tools written that expect python2 the default may have issues; default needs to be python=python2 for stability; python3 executes python3
[06:29] <bryanroderyck> i use this link to upgradehttp://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/07/install-python-3-6-1-in-ubuntu-16-04-lts/
[06:30] <fosslinux> ahh sorry i misunderstood you
[06:30] <fosslinux> i get you now
[06:30] <bleb> riddle me this. why wouldn't i be able to reference a machine on my local network by name? i can do this on void linux, not ubuntu.
[06:30] <fosslinux> bryanroderyck: oh a ppa *me backs away*
[06:31] <bryanroderyck> yeah i use ubuntu 16.04 cause my machine work on 32 bit
[06:31] <guiverc> bleb, your DNS server isn't setup correctly!
[06:32] <bleb> guiverc: so void linux is able to learn the name from an incorrectly set up dns server?
[06:32] <guiverc> bleb, i suspect you setup other-linux differently.
[06:32] <fosslinux> bryanroderyck: i'm pretty sure that ubuntu 18.04 still works on 32 bit, there just isn't an install image
[06:33] <fosslinux> bleb: whats the output of /etc/resolv.conf on both systems
[06:33] <bryanroderyck> no i have tried many times my laptop overheat and doeswork
[06:33] <guiverc> bryanroderyck, fosslinux is correct; net install x86 iso is still available for 18.04, just not the desktop ISO (in x86 - few people would want it; but it's still supported)
[06:34] <fosslinux> bryanroderyck: anyway, to fix your problem, run `sudo update-alternatives --config python3` (without the backticks) and select python 3.5
[06:34] <fosslinux> this will set 3.5 to the default
[06:34] <bleb> fosslinux: ubuntu machine has nameserver 127.0.0.53
[06:34] <bleb> options edns0
[06:34] <fosslinux> and whenevery you need to use python 3.6, simply run python3.6 mypythonfile.py
[06:34] <fosslinux> bleb: and void linux?
[06:35] <bleb> fosslinux: the file has only comments
[06:35] <bleb> on void
[06:35] <fosslinux> hmmmst
[06:35] <fosslinux> idk
[06:35]  * fosslinux dosen't know much about dns
[06:36] <bryanroderyck> i have selected python 3.5 what the next step?
[06:37] <fosslinux> bryanroderyck: does it work now?
[06:39] <bryanroderyck> the gnome terminal working ..on the top there an error message..do i have to reset
[06:39] <fosslinux> what's the error message?
[06:40] <bryanroderyck> an problem occured when checking ofr the update
[06:41] <bryanroderyck> for
[06:45] <bryanroderyck> thanks fosslinux
[06:46] <fosslinux> np!
[07:04] <brendan|znc> asking out of curiosity, but does my ubuntu installer disk act as a repair disk once ubuntu is installed?
[07:04] <gnomethrower> brendan|znc: netinstall or live cd?
[07:05] <guiverc> brendan|znc, if the ubuntu install media has a 'live' mode, yep it's wonderfully useful for repair
[07:05] <guiverc> (live mode = 'try ubuntu' on most)
[07:06] <brendan|znc> live cd peeps
[07:06] <gnomethrower> yep, it's good for repair as guiverc said :)
[07:07] <brendan|znc> cool, cheers
[07:53] <eggsBot> Ubuntu ssl web server error, any ubuntu enthusiast around?
[08:19] <[twisti]> anyone know how to close this text editor ? https://i.imgur.com/bFYMQEz.png i tried the common ways but i dont recognize this one, it seems to be the default set for git
[08:23] <ckopn> What do you use to read epub books?
[08:26] <guiverc> ckopn, https://askubuntu.com/questions/14378/what-software-can-i-use-to-view-epub-documents contains a few answers (different options)
[08:27] <ckopn> thanks
[08:30] <pagios> hi, i would like to take the output of the 'set' command (env variables') from system 1, and set that to another user, how can i export/import?
[08:41] <stevenm> is there anyway to show memory usage per process like a pie chart?  it's just when i count the memory used for every process i get to about 3.5 GB - but it claims 14.5 GB is in use in total
[08:45] <solderfumes> stevenm: https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[08:50] <geirha> pagios: if it's bash, you can dump the environment variables with   declare -xp   that output can safely be evaled by bash on the other end
[08:50] <hillstone> Hello Experts, Is there a command line tool to use IRC rather than x-window? thanks
[08:53] <stevenm> solderfumes, if that was the case surely I'd see it the moment I'd booted up and landed as my normal desktop
[08:53] <stevenm> but at that point it was only using 3.5GB
[08:53] <padarc> hillstone, weechat for example or irssi are popular
[08:53] <pagios> how can i evaleD?
[08:54] <stevenm> solderfumes, also I'm using 6gb of swap - when I shouldn't need to be
[08:54] <stevenm> solderfumes, also if I close say a VM using 4Gb - i do see it go down by 4gb
[08:54] <stevenm> not down by 4gb - the reclaimed for disk caching so it goes back up
[08:54] <stevenm> *then
[08:55] <hillstone> Thank you Padarc! I will try the tools
[08:56] <hillstone> IRC is a really good tool to communicate with you, especially in China.
[08:56] <eeerik9> Hello, I am running nfs-kernel-server and can mount it and access locally but when accessed via network during boot I got stuck there is in syslog I do  wonder if these three lines might be related:  Apr 10 10:41:38 ubuntu-Latitude-E6440 rpc.mountd[3975]: authenticated mount request from 192.168.120.2:971 for /home/rootfs (/home/rootfs) Apr 10 10:41:38 ubuntu-Latitude-E6440 kernel: [ 1465.873692] ax88179_178a 4-6.2:1.0 enx000ec6fabc67: a
[08:56] <eeerik9> x88179 - Link status is: 1  and Apr 10 10:41:39 ubuntu-Latitude-E6440 systemd-resolved[608]: Server returned error NXDOMAIN, mitigating potential DNS violation DVE-2018-0001, retrying transaction with reduced feature level UDP.
[09:14] <slopes> heelo
[09:32] <aldcor> hi! what have you found to be best thing about ubuntu?
[09:33] <guiverc> aldcor, this is a Support room; #ubuntu-discuss I suspect would be more appropriate for non-support questions
[09:45] <ogurk> looking for docs on adding local ca cert to rubygmes on Linux - anyone could help?
[09:50] <blackflow> ogurk: first result on google for "Ubuntu install CA certificate":  https://askubuntu.com/questions/73287/how-do-i-install-a-root-certificate
[09:50] <blackflow> now the question is, is this really what you want? To add a custom CA?
[09:58] <paul9811> maybe a really stupid question, does ubuntu handle the time as  utc +1 for example? e.g on windows you can do utc then set to london which is in effect utc+1,  i run sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and set the time zone to europe/london which when tou do date it lists it as bst, is this the same as utc+1?
[10:01] <blackflow> paul9811: yes, BST is UTC+1 (in the summer, otherwise the zone is GMT). In Ubuntu you can configure the hw clock both ways: to store local time like Windows (and needed for dual booting with windows) or to store UTC time
[10:02] <paul9811> yup that makes sense @blackflow thank you
[10:03] <paul9811> I just wanted to make sure it was correct and I wasn't going mad! Thanks
[10:17] <filifunky> OK guys I still need some help.  mysql has been screwing up for me.  It times out my system updates.  My python scripts can import mysqldb.  So I've tried a bunch of things and brought it to this chat a couple days ago.  We found a bug page that is related to my problem.  bug #1817374.  When I read the comments though it seems like the ultimate solution is to uninstall, purge, then run again.  But I still end up with the same problem:
[10:17] <filifunky> http://www.mpaste.com/p/wZMv  Any ideas what I should do?
[10:18] <tomreyn> hi filifunky, what's your ubuntu release?
[10:22] <filifunky> tomreyn, 18.04
[10:22] <tomreyn> filifunky: .0 , .1, .2? fully patched?
[10:23] <filifunky> tomreyn 18.04.2 LTS....I honestly don't know if it is "fully patched"
[10:24] <tomreyn> filifunky: can you share some more info on your system? i'll pass you some commands to assemble it.
[10:24] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[10:24] <tomreyn> sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[10:25] <tomreyn> ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:25] <tomreyn> filifunky: those will post to termbin.com, a pastebin-like site
[10:26] <filifunky> tomreyn, do I just copy and paste all of that into a terminal, even the nc termbin.com 9999?  or do I paste everything excluding those
[10:27] <tomreyn> filifunky: yes, you can copy and paste those to a terminal window. each of these lines will return one url, you can then paste here
[10:27] <filifunky> tomreyn ok I will try it out
[10:28] <filifunky> https://termbin.com/29j7
[10:28] <filifunky> https://termbin.com/980c
[10:29] <filifunky> https://termbin.com/ljef
[10:29] <filifunky> tomreyn, I think that worked
[10:30] <tomreyn> filifunky: yes. looking now. the first one looks good, you're runnign the latest bionic kernel image.
[10:31] <TDMainiac> hi
[10:31] <tomreyn> filifunky: the second one show that you have an apt repository configured hwich is broken / not useable for this ubuntu 18.04.
[10:31] <tomreyn> filifunky: you want to    sudo ppa-purge gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable
[10:32] <filifunky> tomreyn ok, interesting.  ok will do that
[10:32] <filifunky> sudo: ppa-purge: command not found
[10:33] <filifunky> tomreyn does that make sense?
[10:34] <j0seph> filifunky: sudo apt install ppa-purge
[10:34] <tomreyn> filifunky: this second paste also shows that you have some pending updates, none of which should be related to myswl issues, though. however, it also shows that you run this mysql server on a computer which also runs a graphical desktop. this is an unusual configuration. unless you're using the mysql server for development purposes, i guess (but even then you may want to run it in a container instead).
[10:34] <tomreyn> filifunky: what j0seph says
[10:35] <tomreyn> filifunky: so when you'Re doine with the ppa-purge, please comment on the combination of a mysql server and a graphical desktop.
[10:35] <filifunky> j0seph, tomreyn - I did the sudo apt install ppa-purge and got this http://www.mpaste.com/p/zw
[10:36] <filifunky> tomreyn - I have a dual boot setup is that helpful or related?
[10:36] <tomreyn> filifunky: yes, the mysql package is still broken, but ppa-purge installed fine
[10:37] <TDMainiac> how do i hide a user from the login screen?
[10:37] <tomreyn> this was in response to http://www.mpaste.com/p/zw
[10:37] <filifunky> tomreyn ok
[10:37] <tomreyn> filifunky: dual boot is unrelated
[10:37] <j0seph> yeah, ppa-purge set up fine. it's just still trying to set up msql client and server which it can't do.
[10:38] <filifunky> http://www.mpaste.com/p/Mjm4
[10:38] <filifunky> tomreyn -- I can say I did not intend to make that unusual configuration
[10:39] <filifunky> I like how that last paste has a warning that says it failed "for some reason" lol
[10:39] <tomreyn> filifunky: about ppa-purge: this is a bug / shortcoming of ppa-purge which i did not think about. you will need to remove this apt source manually. it will be configured in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gwendal-lebihan-dev*.list*
[10:40] <j0seph> filifunky: it may be an edge-case where the specific error hasn't been specified but what caught anyway
[10:40] <j0seph> was*
[10:40] <j0seph> a bit frustrating, but better than a crash
[10:41] <filifunky> tomreyn really weird I can't cd into etc/apt...I can see the folder though
[10:41] <filifunky> nvm
[10:41] <filifunky> it worked
[10:42] <mboard> hi all, I have a printer Brother MFC-J480DW which I am trying to connect to Ubuntu 18.04 via network.  I can see the printer and it shows that the printer is "ready" but whenever I attempt to print anything it gives me an error.  I have no idea how I can find out what is wrong with this.  Will there be any logs potentially that will give more details on why this is giving an error and not printing?
[10:42] <tomreyn> filifunky: about mysql sevrer + graphical desktop on the same computer: what i'm wondering is why you run a server-like service such as a mysql server on the same computer you are running a graphical desktop on. normally you would run a mysql server on a headless server on server hardware, and a graphical desktop environment on a home or mobile computer
[10:42] <filifunky> tomreyn should I just rm that gwendal file?
[10:42] <tomreyn> filifunky: yes, either rm it or edit it and comment out all lines
[10:43] <tomreyn> you can keep the .save file if one exists
[10:43] <tomreyn> it's a 'backup' copy
[10:43] <filifunky> tomreyn I always thought using a mysql server seemed weird to me.  Are you saying I shouldn't be installing mysql server, I should install a more regular version of mysql?
[10:43] <tomreyn> filifunky: no, not saying this. what do you use it for?
[10:43] <filifunky> tomreyn ok, its removed
[10:44] <filifunky> tomreyn - in order to practice coding I wrote a script that after I answer some mental math questions it reaches into mysql for a database that has a bunch of quotes that I come across that I like
[10:45] <filifunky> tomreyn and it spits out a quote for me...ideally that's how I'd start my morning lol
[10:45] <youkilledkenny> pipe it into cow say?
[10:46] <tomreyn> filifunky: i see. it's not strictly wrong to run a mysql server on a primarily desktop computer, i was just wondering why you would. there are more light weight alternatives which may be more suitable for your use case, such as an sqlite database.
[10:46] <j0seph> youkilledkenny: then pipe it into lolcat, and get a rainbow cow!
[10:46] <tomreyn> filifunky: but if you want to train working with mysql explicitly then you're doing fine.
[10:46] <filifunky> tomreyn - ah ok, I do have a backup file from my database.  If I go with sqlite would I be able to upload that in?
[10:47] <youkilledkenny> j0seph now you're talking
[10:48] <j0seph> youkilledkennt: i do talk a lot, yes :P
[10:48] <tomreyn> filifunky: probably not, the sql syntax differs a bit. sqlite is a file database, a very simple alternative which basically just pretends to be a regular database server, but is really just a single file without a daemon. read up on it.
[10:49] <tomreyn> mboard: if you'Re on ubuntu 16.04 or newer, check your system journal, it may have error message about it. journalctl -b
[10:50] <tomreyn> oh you said 18.04, good.
[10:50] <filifunky> tomreyn oh ok maybe.  Yeah I already have about a hundred or so of entries in this mysql database.
[10:51] <mboard> tomreyn I have just found a step by step on how to install this printer but it is giving me an input which I have no idea what to put :D
[10:52] <tomreyn> filifunky: but you have a backup, right? so if we just purge all of mysql and reinstall it then you should be fine?
[10:52] <tomreyn> i.e. you will be able to re-import the dump you have into the mysql server?
[10:52] <mboard> would lpd:// be the correct option for a network printer?  It is giving me, ipps, https, hp, lpd, cups-brf:/, sock, beh, http, ipp, hpfax, lpd://BRWD46********, Specify IP address, and Auto usb -_-
[10:53] <filifunky> tomreyn I've tried to purge everything and reinstall and I get the same problem.  I can try it again right now it doesn't take long.
[10:53] <tomreyn> mboard: personally i'd prefer ipps or https.
[10:53] <tomreyn> filifunky: i assume you didn't successfully purge all of it.
[10:54] <mboard> tomreyn, hmm ok let me try ipps first and see what happens
[10:54] <tomreyn> filifunky: dpkg -l | grep mysql | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:55] <tomreyn> mboard: does your network printer have a static ip address assigned to it?
[10:55] <ren0v0> Hi, i'm trying to install Wine, but getting stuck in a dependency loop?
[10:55] <filifunky> tomreyn https://termbin.com/5zov
[10:55] <tomreyn> mboard: you'll probably configure this in your router, by hadning out, via dhcp, the same ip address to this device consistently.
[10:55] <filifunky> tomreyn yeah still stuff there
[10:56] <tomreyn> filifunky: so apt purge those three
[10:56] <tomreyn> filifunky: sudo apt purge libmysqlclient18:amd6 mysql-client-core-5.7 mysql-server-core-5.7
[10:57] <mboard> tomreyn yes, I set it to use 192.168.0.13
[10:57] <tomreyn> mboard: okay, you'll want to have this ip address in your printer url, the one you're configuring on your computer right now.
[10:58] <mboard> tomreyn ok, let me see what happens
[10:58] <ren0v0>  wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 3.0-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed    < this is what i'm getting
[10:58] <ren0v0> official ubuntu repos
[10:58] <filifunky> tomreyn https://termbin.com/zc0w  Ok I've got one more.  How would I purge that one?  I purged the other two from getting the line from a website
[10:59] <tomreyn> mboard: once the brother installer is done, if printing still doesn't work, check the administrative area at http://localhost:631
 filifunky: sudo apt purge libmysqlclient18:amd6 mysql-client-core-5.7 mysql-server-core-5.7
[10:59] <tomreyn> oops, i made a typo
[11:00] <tomreyn> filifunky: sudo apt purge libmysqlclient18:amd64 mysql-client-core-5.7 mysql-server-core-5.7
[11:00] <filifunky> tomreyn ok, so just reinstall mysql server right/
[11:01] <tomreyn> ren0v0: show the url returned by: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[11:01] <tomreyn> filifunky: not yet
[11:01] <tomreyn> filifunky: see what you have left in /var/lib/mysql - if anything
[11:01] <tomreyn> filifunky: also /etc/mysql
[11:02] <ren0v0> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/aj62
[11:02] <filifunky> tomreyn I don't have those folders anymore
[11:03] <tomreyn> filifunky: okay, now show the full command you ran that generated the above error message, as well as the full output of this command, on a https://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:03] <tomreyn> filifunky: ok, then you can now: sudo apt install mysql-server
[11:03] <filifunky> tomreyn I just ran this sudo find / -iname 'mysql*' -exec rm -rf {} \; and got this  http://www.mpaste.com/p/cO63Sao9  Is this ok?
[11:04] <tomreyn> filifunky: that's a very bad command to run.
[11:04] <filifunky> tomreyn which above error message?
[11:04] <filifunky> tomreyn oh ok
[11:05] <filifunky> tomreyn yeah it could remove a lot of things without me knowing
[11:05] <tomreyn> filifunky: it will simply delete anything which happens to contain the characters "mysql" in this order. so if you have a file "How to use MySQL.png" in your home directory, it would have deleted it.
[11:06] <mboard> I do not get an error anymore but it is stuck on pending, tomreyn I will check that link you mentioned.  It should be localhost or printer ip?
[11:06] <JimBuntu> Well, I think only if the filename started with mysql, since it's lacking the '*' at the start, but... typos can be bad
[11:06] <filifunky> tomreyn ok, which error message were you referring to earlier?  Or should I do the mysql server install?
[11:07] <tomreyn> you're right, JimBuntu . stillthis is a bad command, should not be run like this.
[11:07] <mboard> tomreyn don't worry found it, seems like no printers were added to this.  I think I will get an admin at some point because this is a bit meh for me
[11:07] <tomreyn> filifunky: sorry, please ignore that i said this: <tomreyn> filifunky: okay, now show the full command you ran that generated the above error message, as well as the full output of this command, on a https://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:08] <JimBuntu> tomreyn, I completely agree.
[11:08] <tomreyn> ren0v0: okay, now show the full command you ran that generated the above error message, as well as the full output of this command, on a https://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:08] <filifunky> tomreyn ok, will install now
[11:08] <tomreyn> filifunky: alright. in case you will install a different way, please tell so.
[11:09] <filifunky> tomreyn looks like it worked!  first time.  I guess that purge of those three files was what I was missing
[11:10] <tomreyn> filifunky: yes, this may be why. also you didn't install the right packages last time, i think.
[11:10] <filifunky> tomreyn I see, thanks
[11:10] <tomreyn> filifunky: there's something else you need to look at, the third of the initial posts i had you make.
[11:10] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/ljef
[11:11] <filifunky> tomreyn ok
[11:11] <tomreyn> "You have 341 packages (11.3%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded"
[11:11] <tomreyn> the are listed further down the page
[11:11] <filifunky> tomreyn yeah a lot of those look like from when I was trying to make music on my computer
[11:11] <tomreyn> these packages have no way to get security patches or bug fixes, since no apt source is known for them
[11:12] <filifunky> tomreyn are these some sort of a security risk then?
[11:12] <tomreyn> filifunky: if they are not now, they will be when vulnerabilities in these versions are discovered and are not (can not, since there is no upgrade path) patched on your computer.
[11:13] <tomreyn> filifunky: personally, i would remove all these packages with the exception of those where i want to accept the risk.
[11:13] <tomreyn> and where i am very aware of it.
[11:14] <tomreyn> some of these look like they can be remainders from a previous ubuntu installation
[11:14] <filifunky> tomreyn ok, my music making days are on hold anyways.  Should I do a sudo apt purge each of those individually?
[11:14] <tomreyn> some seem to be from 3rd party apt repositories (or PPAs) which you since removed, but did not uninstall those packages
[11:15] <tomreyn> filifunky: that'S what i'd recommend if you don't currently need them.
[11:15] <filifunky> tomreyn ok will try it now
[11:15] <ren0v0>  @tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BV8bnwcCjR/
[11:16] <tomreyn> filifunky: alternatively you could search for apt sources which provide those packages, and where you can rely on the apt repository mantainers that they'll provide you with security patches.
[11:17] <filifunky> tomreyn true
[11:18] <tomreyn> ren0v0: please post the url returned by:   apt-cache policy libwine:i386 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:18] <ren0v0> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/4wal
[11:20] <tomreyn> ren0v0: please post the url returned by:  ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:20] <ren0v0> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/hbex
[11:21] <ren0v0> termbin convert  <<
[11:21] <ren0v0> :)
[11:23] <filifunky> tomreyn so I always read how linux has no viruses....what is the nature of these "security risks"?
[11:24] <tomreyn> ren0v0: hmm i'm not sure why it's failing to install wine32, since libwine:i386 is available. let's make it tell us by explicitly asking it to install it:  sudo apt install -syV wine32 libwine:i386 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:24] <JimBuntu> filifunky, Not really an Ubuntu thing... but, there are absolutely viruses that effect GNU+Linux as well as other malware and vulns.
[11:24] <ren0v0> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/z78y
[11:25] <ren0v0> tomreyn, it's like an endless loop
[11:25] <filifunky> JimBuntu ok I see
[11:28] <filifunky> tomreyn, JimBuntu - so I get that I am getting rid of packages that can't be downloaded.  Why am I not worried about the 364 packages that are unsupported?
[11:29] <tomreyn> filifunky: what we discussed is not about viruses or malware, though. software tends to have bugs. most of the time these just inpact functionality, so something doesn't behave the way you expect, or an application crashes. sometimes, if someone else can trigger these bugs (usually remotely, or on your own computer, if they got in by other means, which is tough), and make them fail in a certain way, they can exploit security vulnerabilities.
[11:29] <tomreyn> usually to increase the access level they can have on your computer. and once they got that they may do bad things such as install viruses, attack others on the internet, encrypt all your files, leak your data etc.
[11:29] <tomreyn> but this is really outside of generic ubuntu support, we could move to #ubuntu-discuss if you'd like more details on this.
[11:30] <tomreyn> filifunky: does this output anything?   apt-mark showhold
[11:30] <filifunky> tomreyn it's ok don't want to make a big deal of it...but thanks
[11:30] <tomreyn> filifunky: sorry, ignore this line
[11:30] <tomreyn> ren0v0: does this output anything?   apt-mark showhold
[11:31] <JimBuntu> !cookie | tomreyn
[11:31] <tomreyn> filifunky: it's not very likely to be a problem for applications which don't conmmunicate with the Internet. but it can be for those which do.
[11:32] <tomreyn> thanks Jim ;)
[11:33] <tomreyn> mboard: it should be localhost, sorry for not responding earlier.
[11:33] <tomreyn> mboard: so http://localhost:631/printers/ would list the printer 'profiles' you have setup.
[11:34] <tomreyn> these may all be broken, or some, or none. just the fact that they are listed there does not mean they will work.
[11:34] <ren0v0> tomreyn, nope
[11:35] <marshwallow> Hi guys! What is the latest and most official way to add stuff to PATH? .bash_profile? .xprofile? .profile? `export` or no `export`? I've seen a lot of conflicting information on SO/SE, so I really have no idea anymore.
[11:36] <marshwallow> I'm trying to add Composer binaries to my PATH.
[11:36] <tomreyn> ren0v0: so this situation you have there is usually introduced by having some package or package version installed which is not the one available in ubuntu, but one from a PPA or third party repository.
[11:36] <ren0v0> tomreyn, like gphoto?
[11:36] <marshwallow> This guy here (https://stackoverflow.com/a/37676949) suggested using .xprofile, but it did not really work for me.
[11:37] <marshwallow> *suggested using .xprofile for stuff that ought to be visible in IDEs.
[11:37] <tomreyn> ren0v0: i would not know. there is this script i wrote which can list all of these:  https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[11:38] <ren0v0> tomreyn, I've saying i know this is a newer package, but how can I know which package is the offending one, and whats the solution?
[11:39] <marshwallow> I see that ~/.pam_environment and ~/.profile are suggested on official Ubuntu wiki, but that's directly contradicting with the previously provided link.
[11:40] <filifunky> tomreyn, so I was purging one of those packages that can't be downloaded and I got this: http://www.mpaste.com/p/xHK6s82  Should I be worried
[11:40] <filifunky> that's like 4G of stuff, I'm guessing I shouldn't
[11:41] <tomreyn> ren0v0: what do you mean by "I've saying i know this is a newer package"?
[11:42] <ren0v0> So I know there is a newer version of libgphoto2 as i've installed that via PPA
[11:42] <pagios> hillstone, bitchX
[11:42] <tomreyn> ren0v0: any packages and package versions listed by the script i posted are possible sources of such issues.
[11:42] <ren0v0> tomreyn, and if that returned 100 packages there would be no way to find out which one?
[11:42] <ren0v0> And the the question is, what is the solution? remove packages other software uses?
[11:43] <tomreyn> ren0v0: if you installe dit from a ppa and this ppa is still configured on your system then it's less likely to be a problem.
[11:44] <tomreyn> ren0v0: uninstalling those packages and package versions which are not also provided by your existing apt repositories is a good approach.
[11:44] <tomreyn> (and that'S what this script lists)
[11:45] <ren0v0> tomreyn, they were all here https://termbin.com/aj62  - You can see (http://ppa.launchpad.net/mutlaqja/libgphoto2/ubuntu bionic/main i386 Packages), nothing else is installed that isn't via PPA apart from sublime text
[11:47] <tomreyn> ren0v0: let's talk again when you ran the script i pointed to and can show its output. an alternative approach is to continue going down the dependency tree by specifying the depedency packages to install manually, as we did it before.
[11:48] <tomreyn> this will eventually lead to the root cause of your dependency issues, and once you downgraded or removed this package you should be ablw to install wine32 properly
[11:49] <pagios> geirha, i did declare -xp  > dump  on system one, and chmod +x dump  ; /tmp/dump on system 2 but still i see differences when i do env on the systems
[11:50] <ren0v0> tomreyn, pretty uneventful  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kfjnK595dQ/
[11:51] <tomreyn> ren0v0: hmm, this is strange indeed. you didn't do anything like editing your dpkg package state database or something?
[11:53] <ren0v0> I ran a command about architecture for wine installation as recommended
[11:53] <marshwallow> Sorry. Tried some more hacks in between, but it didn't work. Did someone ... maybe ... perhaps ... took a look at my question?
[11:53] <ren0v0> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386  <<
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:57] <tomreyn> ren0v0: that'S ok. can you point us to the how-to you followed?
[12:00] <tomreyn> filifunky: sorry, i missed your message. no, you should not proceed with this. which package did you try to remove there, and which section was it listed in?
[12:01] <tomreyn> filifunky: if this package was listed in the section which lists packages which have a version which is not known / available, then you should not remove this package but downgrade it.
[12:02] <tomreyn> filifunky: but downgrading essential packages can also be problematic, so let's discuss the very package first
[12:04] <tomreyn> marshwallow: which ubuntu release are you running (this should always accompany your question, since it can make for a different answer)?
[12:04] <marshwallow> Sorry, Ubuntu 18.10, Cosmic Cuttlefish.
[12:04] <marshwallow> amd64.
[12:04] <marshwallow> (tomreyn)
[12:05] <hactivis_> hi
[12:05] <tomreyn> marshwallow: do you want this PATH change to apply to your own user account, or to the entire system?
[12:06] <tomreyn> probably your own user only based on <marshwallow> I'm trying to add Composer binaries to my PATH.
[12:06] <marshwallow> tomreyn, yup.
[12:06] <tomreyn> which shell are you using (for your user)?
[12:07] <marshwallow> bash
[12:09] <BluesKaj> !crosspost | marshwallow
[12:09] <marshwallow> BluesKaj, sorry.
[12:09] <marshwallow> didn't see much response at the moment here, so I switched channels. I'll stick to ##linux then?
[12:10] <tomreyn> marshwallow: this command should confirm it:  getent passwd $(whoami) | awk -F: '{print $NF}'
[12:10] <BluesKaj> don't apologize to me, it's others who need help who need the attention
[12:10] <tomreyn> oh right dont CP
[12:11] <marshwallow> I'll be going then.
[12:11] <ren0v0> tomreyn, the howto was this one  https://tecadmin.net/install-wine-on-ubuntu/
[12:13] <tomreyn> ren0v0 i see, i guess this looks ok. but you don't have this ppa configured, or did not have it configured when you posted what you have configured?
[12:17] <tomreyn> ren0v0: so i'm saying that https://termbin.com/aj62 does not show the https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu 3rd poarty APT repository configured.
[12:17] <filifunky> tomreyn, this was the package: libmonosgen-2.0-1 libmonosgen-2.0-dev libnorm1 libopenjpeg5 libpcre3
[12:17] <filifunky> tomreyn -- I'm glad there's a warning before removing those!
[12:18] <tomreyn> filifunky: yes, there always is before removing essentials. so which section were those packages listed in?
[12:19] <tomreyn> libpcre3 is probably the essential / required package of these
[12:19] <filifunky> tomreyn, "no longer downloadable"
[12:19] <filifunky> tomreyn:  my current list https://termbin.com/dxbv
[12:20] <tomreyn> filifunky: this suggests that you removed a default ubuntu apt source
[12:21] <filifunky> tomreyn:  that sounds bad.  But didn't get any warnings.
[12:21] <tomreyn> filifunky: was this your output? https://termbin.com/aj62
[12:22] <tomreyn> ah no it wasnt
[12:22] <tomreyn> this was yours https://termbin.com/980c
[12:23] <filifunky> tomreyn I can run it again, if you send me the command line
[12:23] <tomreyn> sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[12:23] <tomreyn> filifunky: ^
[12:24] <filifunky> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/jnlp
[12:25] <tomreyn> filifunky: carry out those pending changes first, then post again, please.
[12:26] <JediWed> hey there. Could someone help me with VPN? I have installed xl2tpd and ppp on a ubuntu server and connecting to it from a client. I would like to start a service on the client which shall be available from the static IP address of my server. Is this possible? Does it work like port forwarding on a router?
[12:27] <filifunky> tomreyn, pending changes...hmmm.  Like getting rid of those not downloadable files except the one that will delete essential files?
[12:28] <tomreyn> filifunky: run   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -V    and review the pending changes, and packages which are no longer needed (and can be removed). run    sudo apt --purge autoremove    to remove those old packages which are no longer needed.
[12:29] <tomreyn> you can omit -V, it just adds version info to the output.
[12:29] <geirha> pagios: running it won't help you. You have to source the file or eval the content
[12:31] <filifunky> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/hpny
[12:33] <tomreyn> filifunky: much better already, now show the list of foreign packages again
[12:36] <filifunky> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/piwb
[12:37] <tomreyn> JediWed: no, it's layer 2 tunnelling, ask in ##networking for details. it sounds like you're trying to convert a client(-to-server) VPN into a site-to-site (server-to-server) VPN here. these are very different models / architectures, and this will most likely not work on your domestic internet access unless you have a static ip address and your border gateway (customer premise equipment / SOHO modem/router) supports it.
[12:40] <tomreyn> filifunky: ok, it's still listing libpcre3 as 'no longer downloadable' eventhough you have the apt source providing it configured. i'm a bit puzzled. maybe this will hint on what's causing this:    apt show -a libpcre3 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:40] <tomreyn> filifunky: maybe you can also try this, it may provide better output: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[12:41] <filifunky> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/0edg
[12:41] <filifunky> tomreyn ok looking at that now
[12:42] <tomreyn> filifunky: okay this explains it. you had a ppa installed, but removed it, but did not downgrade the packages installed from there. you are now on a newer package version than ubuntu provides.
[12:42] <tomreyn> this is one of the main reasons PPAs are not supported.
[12:43] <filifunky> tomreyn: ah ok that makes sense...should I avoid PPAs in general
[12:43] <TJ-> tomreyn: I have a bright idea. As part of add-apt-repository when the target is a PPA, it creates an overlay file-system to contain the installed system files... on purge, the overlay is removed :)
[12:44] <tomreyn> filifunky: generally, yes, try to avoid them, but effectively you will probably end up having some.
[12:44] <filifunky> tomreyn ok good to know, so I should downgrade some things now?
[12:45] <tomreyn> TJ-: well, if you are happy with supporting this increased complexity over an already complex system? :-) but it surely could prevent such situation very well.
[12:45] <tomreyn> TJ-: i.e. it'd probably be worth it.
[12:45] <TJ-> tomreyn: I said it was a bright idea, not necessarily a workable one :D
[12:46] <tomreyn> :)
[12:46] <tomreyn> filifunky: run the other script and post its output, please, then we'll see
[12:47] <filifunky> tomreyn, this one? https://termbin.com/2kwz
[12:47] <TJ-> tomreyn: it'd be no more whacky than having loads of snap loop mounts/processes
[12:48] <tomreyn> filifunky: the important thing about picking PPAs is picking those which don't mess up your system. unfortunately it's not that easy to tell which ones may and which ones won't. so then the general recommendation wshould indeed be to try to avoid PPAs in genmeral.
[12:48] <filifunky> tomreyn ok
[12:48] <ioria>  filifunky  for that i'd go with ppa-purge ; and can you paste :     apt-cache policy gimp-gmic
[12:49] <tomreyn> TJ-: i smiled, and cried, at the same time. and am happy to discuss more in -discuss
[12:49] <tomreyn> filifunky: no, this one ;)  <tomreyn> filifunky: maybe you can also try this, it may provide better output: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[12:50] <filifunky> ioria gimp-gmic is one of my favorite things I hope we don't have to get rid of that one
[12:50] <ioria> it's old; xenial version i think
[12:51] <ioria>  filifunky    apt-cache policy gimp-gmic | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:53] <filifunky> tomreyn: here's the installation output http://www.mpaste.com/p/RieFw8cI, moving onto the running section
[12:53] <tomreyn> ok
[12:54] <filifunky> tomreyn oh wait, I wasn't able to do the chmod +x foreign_packages
[12:54] <filifunky> tomreyn chmod: cannot access 'foreign_packages': No such file or directory
[12:54] <tomreyn> filifunky: you must have downloaded it to a different directory then
[12:54] <tomreyn> or the download failed
[12:54] <tomreyn> the 'wget' command
[12:56] <filifunky> tomreyn, I have to search for wherever I downloaded it right
[12:58] <tomreyn> filifunky: no, not really. i assume the download failed for some reason. you are runnning this in a terminal window, right?
[12:59] <tomreyn> please run this: wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/foreign_packages 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:00] <filifunky> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/7s5v
[13:00] <filifunky> tomreyn: do i need to sudo someplace to get permission
[13:00] <tomreyn> filifunky: okay, you're running this in a directory where you cannot write to.
[13:01] <filifunky> tomreyn ok so I have to cd to some folder
[13:01] <filifunky> tomreyn any preference?
[13:01] <tomreyn> filifunky: type this, then re-run everything starting with the wget command: cd
[13:01] <tomreyn> filifunky: this will change to your home directory
[13:01] <tomreyn> ...where you should have write access
[13:02] <filifunky> ok, looks good https://termbin.com/852l tomreyn.  Will continue with the rest from that page
[13:02] <tomreyn> ok
[13:03] <filifunky> tomreyn: how does this look from the running section: http://www.mpaste.com/p/0xey
[13:04] <filifunky> tomreyn do all the "newer than version in archive" have to be downgraded?
[13:04] <tomreyn> filifunky: looks terrible and helpful for recovery ;)
[13:05] <tomreyn> filifunky: yes,  all the "newer than version in archive" have to be downgraded
[13:05] <filifunky> tomreyn: what are the magic words lol for downgrading those
[13:06] <tomreyn> and all the "No available version in archive" you should consider either purging, removing or configuring an apt repository which provides these packages.
[13:06] <filifunky> tomreyn I'll just purge since I feel destructive
[13:06] <tomreyn> sudo apt install package1=VERSION_IN_YOUR_RELEASE package2=VERSION_IN_YOUR_RELEASE
[13:06] <tomreyn> something like this
[13:07] <tomreyn> but you'll need to find out what is VERSION_IN_YOUR_RELEASE first of all
[13:08] <filifunky> tomreyn, ok so the release being my version of ubuntu right?  18.04?
[13:09] <tomreyn> this will tell:  apt-cache policy package1 package2
[13:09] <tomreyn> you'll want the versions which are from archive.ubuntu.com
[13:09] <filifunky> tomreyn: so for example: apt-cache policy libexiv2-14:amd64
[13:09] <tomreyn> right
[13:10] <filifunky> tomreyn did you include package 2 because I can just keep adding all those packages on for one big run?
[13:11] <tomreyn> filifunky: "package1" and "package2" were examples here
[13:11] <tomreyn> use the packages listed under "No available version in archive"
[13:11] <tomreyn> if this is too complicated i can script it for you
[13:12] <filifunky> so this is my output from that example command I wrote: http://www.mpaste.com/p/y7
[13:12] <filifunky> tomreyn ^
[13:13] <tomreyn> filifunky: right, this shows which versions this package is known in. the one with the *** is what you have installed
[13:13] <tomreyn> the newest one from ubuntu.com is the one you need to have
[13:13] <tomreyn> so 0.25-3.1ubuntu0.18.04.2
[13:14] <filifunky> tomreyn so to install the correct one, I should do: sudo apt install  0.25-3.1ubuntu0.18.04.2 500
[13:14] <tomreyn> almost, you still need to specify package=
[13:14] <tomreyn> and you can omit the 500
[13:14] <filifunky> sudo apt install package1= 0.25-3.1ubuntu0.18.04.2 500
[13:14] <filifunky> omitting 500
[13:15] <filifunky> oh and it should be just package
[13:15] <tomreyn> sudo apt install libexiv2-14=0.25-3.1ubuntu0.18.04.2
[13:15] <filifunky> ahhh ok tomreyn
[13:15] <filifunky> will give it a shot tomreyn
[13:16] <filifunky> tomreyn so this downgrades it and I don't have to get rid of the "upgraded" version right
[13:16] <tomreyn> you can specify multiple such package=version pairs on one apt command if you like
[13:16] <tomreyn> filifunky: that's right
[13:16] <filifunky> tomreyn it seems like I'd have to do it one by one because I have to find the correct version and if I wrote a big one and it didn't work it'd be hard to find out what was the problem?
[13:22] <tomreyn> filifunky: it's 44 packages, so i guess one by one is an option
[13:23] <ren0v0> tomreyn, back
[13:23] <ren0v0> Yes i removed this PPA as I got the same errors with it
[13:23] <tomreyn> filifunky: or i can script it for you if you want to wait another 3-5 minutes.
[13:23] <ren0v0> so thought it might be that so tried to install the wine version from ubuntu repos
[13:23] <filifunky> tomreyn yes please
[13:24] <filifunky> I just did a couple on that list tomreyn
[13:24] <filifunky> tomreyn: current list http://www.mpaste.com/p/4lISwF
[13:30] <tomreyn> filifunky: https://termbin.com/dsp7
[13:31] <filifunky> tomreyn: ok, how did you get all the right package versions so quickly? lol
[13:31] <tomreyn> sudo apt -q install devscripts; echo; UBUNTU_CODENAME=$(lsb_release -cs); APT_LINE='sudo apt install'; for PACKAGE_TO_DOWNGRADE in $(cat downgrade | cut -d' ' -f1); do TARGETVERSION=$(rmadison -s $UBUNTU_CODENAME $PACKAGE_TO_DOWNGRADE | cut -d'|' -f2 | tr -d ' '); echo "Will downgrade package $PACKAGE_TO_DOWNGRADE to version $TARGETVERSION"; APT_LINE="$APT_LINE $PACKAGE_TO_DOWNGRADE=$TARGETVERSION"; done; echo 'Run this command:'; echo $APT_LINE
[13:32] <filifunky> tomreyn: yeah that's what I would have done
[13:32] <tomreyn> i had previously written the lines listed in the "[ Newer than version in archive ]" section into a file 'downgrade'
[13:32] <tomreyn> filifunky: oh then why did i do it? ;-)
[13:33] <filifunky> tomreyn was testing to see if you knew how to do it....lmao
[13:33] <tomreyn> :-P so let's see if it works
[13:33] <filifunky> tomreyn ok, so I'm just going to purge all the things in the "no available version in archive" section and that's it right?
[13:34] <filifunky> tomreyn, it worked -- that whole section got wiped out
 and all the "No available version in archive" you should consider either purging, removing or configuring an apt repository which provides these packages.
[13:34] <tomreyn> how you do it is up to you, obviously
[13:34] <filifunky> tomreyn got it, thanks!
[13:35] <filifunky> cookie
[13:35] <tomreyn> you'll need to provide a cake for this
[13:35] <filifunky> !entire_cakeshop tomreyn
[13:36] <filifunky> !cookie tomreyn
[13:36] <filifunky> !cake tomreyn
[13:36] <tomreyn> thanks
[13:36] <filifunky> !weightwatchersmembership tomreyn
[13:38] <tomreyn> ... some of these packages you might want to keep, such as teamviewer, which i don't think provides an apt repository and thus will have to remain installed without an upgrade path
[13:38] <tomreyn> that is, if you insist on using it.
[13:39] <tomreyn> i consider this done, and will now take a shower to scratch those dirty package versions off my skin.
[13:39] <filifunky> tomreyn sounds good thanks
[13:46] <kid5> how to learn hack ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> kid5, not here
[13:49] <Joel> 16.04->18.04 in place relatively painless?
[13:51] <cryptodan> Joel: i would backup data just incase something doesnt go right
[13:53] <lordcirth__> Joel, should be, but always have backups, on general principles.
[13:54] <Joel> yeah, already have those, so not too worried
[13:54] <Joel> just making sure I didn't miss a kurfuffle
[13:56] <graingert> anyone know why I'm getting a load of -dbg packages from https://gist.github.com/graingert/d0af634662428bb60ae1de7a6317fba6#file-dockerfile-L6 ?
[13:57] <graingert> eg https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg
[14:00] <CookieM> Joel, from my experience with upgrading you may have problems with display drivers (nouveau not working) or scrolling (up and down directions vice-versed) (
[14:00] <Joel> CookieM I have display driver issues with every kernel release in 16.04 LOL
[14:01] <Joel> ultrawide monitor that doesn't seem to be loved
[14:01] <graingert> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptElfDebugSymbols#apt_changes it looks like there was going to be an 'apt-get debug' command that implemented this
[14:01] <graingert> behaviour
[14:01] <graingert> did it get rolled into 'apt-get install' ?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Joel, gpu?
[14:11] <cryptodan> Joel: what video card do you have?
[14:14] <horus125> hi, how can I disable only one wireless network card?
[14:15] <Joel> BluesKaj cryptodan GeForce GT 710
[14:15] <Joel> besides having problems with the ultrawide monitor, once the monitor powers off, moving the mouse never wakes it up, I have to manually power it back on. All reasons I'm hoping to jump up to 18.04 and hope there's some magical fix I haven't found yet.
[14:16] <cryptodan> Joel: you wont have issues with that card and ubuntu 18.04
[14:17] <Joel> to be fair, I could be having issues if the monitor has crappy edid data or whatever, but could swear I dumped it and it looked right
[14:17] <graingert> looks like I needed --no-install-suggests
[14:17] <graingert> horus125: my network manager lets me disable individual ports
[14:19] <horus125> graingert: thx I'll try that
[14:19] <amcclure> hello
[14:21] <graingert> !hello @ amcclure
[14:21] <graingert> ...
[14:21] <jcotton> wow, making the bot insult itself
[14:24] <graingert> nope no-install-suggests doesn't help
[14:24] <graingert> I still end up with libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg
[14:25] <graingert> and it's 300MB!
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Joel, hdmi or display port to the monitor?
[14:29] <jcotton> i think you want -recommends not -suggests
[14:29] <jcotton> iirc suggested packages aren't installed by default to being with
[14:29] <jcotton> graingert
[14:31] <tomreyn> ren0v0: so what puzzled me with your output is the discrepancy between the outputs of ubuntu-support-status and foreign_packages. but thinking more about it there is actually an open bug against ubuntu-support-status (1820329) which may explain it, and suggest that some of the packages it lists as unsupported are actually supported. however, this exercise has unfortunately not really brought us closer to determine why your system thinks it
[14:31] <tomreyn> cannot resolve dependencies to in allow installation of wine32.
[14:31] <tomreyn> -in
[14:32] <graingert> jcotton: I've got both
[14:32] <graingert> --no-install-recommends and --no-install-suggests
[14:32] <graingert> jcotton: can you repeat my issue with that Dockerfile?
[14:32] <tomreyn> ren0v0:so long story short - i guess you will need to walk down the dependency tree by specifying the depednencies on your apt command line.
[14:34] <tomreyn> ren0v0: reading again what you responded last suggests that you may have made changes to your apt sources or installed and removed packages while we were working on the same earlier. if so, this was counter rpoductive.
[14:41] <thrax> Hello and good afternoon. I have a generic question, if anyone knows, is there a way to recover DATA from a "dead" phone or tablet's internal memory with dd  or ddrescue or testdisk and what should i google exactly to find the "how" ?thank you.
[14:50] <tomreyn> thrax: if you can attach (or make available by other means) the storage to the ubuntu system and the data there is stored in a way ubuntu understands, then yes, otherwise no.
[14:50] <CarlFK> how do I list alsa devices?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> CarlFK,  lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"
[14:56] <BluesKaj> or F6 in alamixer
[14:56] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[14:56] <tomreyn> ls -1 /dev/snd/
[14:58] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: I have no lspci - maybe becuase arm doesn't have a pci buss?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> arm ok
[14:59] <CarlFK> alsamixer f6 worked - thanks
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:00] <Joel> BluesKaj hdmi
[15:01] <tomreyn> CarlFK: you'd still have the pciutils package installed if this was a standard ubuntu installation.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Joel, was hoping it was dispalyport , but that's too much to ask from nvidia these days
[15:03] <CarlFK> tomreyn: my install comes from https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-c2/os_images/ubuntu/ubuntu - I wish I knew how it was built
[15:04] <tomreyn> CarlFK: please be sure to point out that you don't run a supported ubuntu installation here before asking questions about this installation in the future, so we can point you to other channels and don't waste time on it.
[15:06] <FurretUber> What is the correct procedure to report a bug from a system which the graphical interface does not load?
[15:06] <tomreyn> FurretUber: the same: ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME
[15:07] <FurretUber> Then I choose to send the report (291 kB)?
[15:07] <tomreyn> FurretUber: that's for you to decide. probably, if you want to report the bug.
[15:07] <FurretUber> Oh, it provides a link to open the bug report page from another computer, nice
[15:14] <thrax> tomreyn thanx for the answer
[15:15] <tomreyn> thrax: a generic answer to a generic question ;-) hope it helps nevertheless.
[15:16] <thrax> haha better than no answer!it helps thanx :D
[15:44] <stronk1> Having a small problem. I have a script that creates some directorys and .txt files. I can see and open the .txt files in the terminal with vim.  But if i for exampel do locate and data.txt i cant find it. So when i try to recall some files with another script i get No such file or directory
[15:45] <lordcirth__> stronk1, 'locate' uses a pre-built database. run 'sudo updatedb' then try again.
[15:45] <ioria> stronk1, maybe you need to call sudo updatedb
[15:45] <ioria> stronk1, why not 'find'
[15:45] <tomreyn> /join #bash
[15:47] <stronk1> lordcirth__, ioria, Didnt solve my problem. The script worked before but then i did some small changes that shouldt affect the wc command.
[15:47] <stronk1> and the path to the file is correct, tripple checked it
[15:47] <lordcirth__> stronk1, pastebin the script?
[15:47] <lordcirth__> Or yeah, ask on #bash
[15:49] <stronk1> #!/bin/bash
[15:49] <stronk1> wc -l Laborationtva/enkatalog/data.txt
[15:49] <stronk1> wc -l Laborationtva/katalogtva/data.txt
[15:49] <stronk1> Will ask on #bash, thanks for the reply!
[15:50] <graingert> jcotton: can you repeat my issue with that Dockerfile?
[15:50] <lordcirth__> stronk1, are you sure the relative path is correct / you're in the right directory? And are you sure that's supposed to be an uppercase 'L'?
[15:51] <stronk1> lordcirth__, yeah, im positive. Been copying it from the touch comand that creates the files in the other script just to be certain =P
[15:52] <graingert> aptitude doesn't know why this -dbg package is installed either https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aysLsKFv/
[16:03] <yossarianuk> Hi - I am planning to install ubuntu-server in a restricted network  - where outgoing traffic is restricted- in order to connect to apt (gb.archive + security) what ip's do I need to whitelist for? Also do I need to enable the port for GPG ?
[16:09] <yossarianuk> i.e is it just a case of doing a nslookup on  gb.archive.ubuntu.com + security.ubuntu.com  and whitelist those ips ?
[16:09] <ioria> gartral, why don't you check your history.log ?
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> yossarianuk: The updates servers are part of a network of mirrors. The IP addresses always change.
[16:10] <rypervenche> yossarianuk: Essentially, yes, but you'll likely need to update them whenever they change. Might need to script it.
[16:10] <ioria> graingert,  why don't you check your history.log ?
[16:10] <graingert> ioria: don't think Docker keeps that
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> yossarianuk: would be wise to create an internal mirror inside the firewall... then allow that system access out, but others access the mirror for updates
[16:11] <ioria> graingert,  idk Docker, sy
[16:11] <graingert> ioria: and I don't think it would be very useful it shows what I pasted already
[16:11] <graingert> anyone know why I'm getting a load of -dbg packages from https://gist.github.com/graingert/d0af634662428bb60ae1de7a6317fba6#file-dockerfile-L6 ?
[16:11] <graingert> ioria: ^
[16:11] <graingert> ioria: not that related to Docker tbh, just apt
[16:12] <graingert> for somereason that apt command pulls in a load of -dbg packages I don't need
[16:12] <ioria> graingert,  i think is  libwebkitgtk-3.0
[16:12] <yossarianuk> pragmaticenigma: thanks for the advice
[16:12] <graingert> yeah but it doesn't depend on libwebkitgtk-3.0-dbg
[16:12] <graingert> apt just pulls it in for no reason
[16:12] <graingert> ioria: ^
[16:12] <ioria> graingert,  or libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
[16:13] <ioria> graingert,  do you have debugsymbols repository enabled ?
[16:13] <graingert> probably
[16:14] <graingert> ioria: well not me personally but ubuntu:xenial
[16:14] <ioria> graingert,  you don't need extra repo in xenial
[16:14] <graingert> ioria: do you know how to remove it?
[16:15] <ioria> !info libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg xenial
[16:16] <graingert> ioria: this is the file on ubuntu:xenial - https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IfZuEwJk/sources.list
[16:17] <ioria> graingert,  that is ok
[16:17] <graingert> ioria: ok so why is apt installing the -dbg file when I don't ask for it?
[16:17] <graingert> and nothing depends on it
[16:18] <ioria> graingert,   can you run and paste   apt-cache rdepends libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg xenial
[16:18] <MrAureliusR> hey folks. having an error when trying to update lvm2 for some reason. I'm not even using lvm in this installation, would it be safe to just remove lvm2?
[16:18] <MrAureliusR> https://i.imgur.com/g127drJ.png
[16:20] <ioria> graingert,    apt-cache rdepends libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg
[16:21] <graingert> libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg\nReverse Depends:\n  libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg
[16:21] <graingert> ioria: ^
[16:22] <graingert> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg\nReverse Depends:
[16:22] <graingert> nothing depends on it
[16:22] <graingert> it shows up un-bidden
[16:26] <ioria> graingert,    is libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg  already installed ?
[16:27] <graingert> no it gets pulled in with my apt install command
[16:27] <graingert> you can check this with docker run -it ubuntu:xenial apt-cache rdepends ibwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg
[16:28] <graingert> docker run -it ubuntu:xenial apt-cache rdepends libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg
[16:28] <graingert> E: No packages found
[16:28] <ioria> well ,  libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg  is a dep of libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg
[16:28] <graingert> even
[16:28] <graingert> yes and I don't want either!
[16:28] <graingert> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg is not a dep of libwebkitgtk-3.0
[16:28] <graingert> so it shouldn't be installed
[16:29] <ioria> graingert,   anything in /etc/apt/sorces.list.d  ?
[16:29] <tomreyn> MrAureliusR: it should be safe to purge lvm2 if you don't depend on it for booting since "apt show lvm2" states that "Priority: optional"
[16:29] <MrAureliusR> alright
[16:29] <MrAureliusR> it's just strange that it suddenly won't update
[16:30] <graingert> docker run -it ubuntu:xenial ls -altr /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:32] <graingert> ioria: (no)
[16:34] <tomreyn> MrAureliusR: right, this should not be happening.    dpkg --configure -a   may provide more information on why it's failing.
[16:35] <tomreyn> graingert: /etc/apt/sources.list != /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:35] <graingert> tomreyn: yes but that's also empty
[16:36] <tomreyn> graingert: i see. an unusual sight, but i'm not really into docker.
[16:36] <graingert> well it's not related to docker
[16:36] <graingert> I'm just using docker as my repor
[16:36] <graingert> reproduction
[16:36] <graingert> so that you can all see the same problem I do
[16:36] <tomreyn> generally, an ubuntu system without /etc/apt/sources.list is misconfigured.
[16:37] <graingert> (without having to ask me to run commands and see)
[16:37] <graingert> yes it does have a sources.list and it's not empty
[16:37] <graingert> I posted it earlier
[16:38] <tomreyn> okay, you said /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is "also empty", making me assume the other thing that's empty was /etc/apt/sources.list. looks like i was jumping to conclusions there,
[16:47] <graingert> ioria: so no idea why this is happening?
[16:54] <Atizs> cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max     returns 14000 as maximum number, but how can this be if default stack size allocated for a thread is 8MB? When I run thread creation in loop, I get ¨out of memory¨ at 250
[17:09] <tomreyn> graingert: if you want to sum up the issue again, i'll try to help.
[17:10] <tomreyn> what i understand is that you have package libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg installed but don't know why it was installed?
[17:20] <unshackled> I keep getting a notification about "plasma-browser-integration" not being installed but I do have it on all the browsers i use anyone?
[17:25] <johnnyfive> I want to verify that the ubuntu mirrors don't sign packages, just the Release files?
[17:26] <johnnyfive> and the Packages.gz, to be more specific
[17:27] <tomreyn> https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt discusses how apt repository signing works.
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> johnnyfive: Your question, as written, does not make any sense to me
[17:27] <ioria> graingert,    gdbserver running ?
[17:28] <graingert> ?
[17:28] <johnnyfive> Does archive.ubuntu.com serve packages that are signed? or are only the Packages.gz and Release files signed?
[17:31] <ioria> graingert,    can you run the same install command but with   apt-get  --simulate  and paste the output ?
[17:31] <tomreyn> johnnyfive: release files are signed and contain hashes over package files, which contain hashes over packages.
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> johnnyfive: From what I understand all of the packages are signed from all sources
[17:32] <johnnyfive> I understand the chain of trust, I just wanted to verify that packages are *not* natively signed by ubuntu
[17:32] <johnnyfive> even though the capability exists
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> johnnyfive: This channel is staffed by volunteers, that would be an architecture question that Ubuntu devs would know. You can try asking in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:34] <tomreyn> johnnyfive: what does "natively signed by ubuntu" mean?
[17:34] <tomreyn> but i agree with pragmaticenigma, we should move
[17:35] <johnnyfive> I figured it out. This isn't that hard a question. *Are the packages you download from archive.ubuntu.com signed*. The answer is no. They are not.
[17:35] <johnnyfive> Thanks gents
[17:35] <johnnyfive> or ladies, peeps.
[17:41] <lordcirth__> johnnyfive, what do you mean they aren't signed? apt will refuse to install unsigned packages from the default repos.
[17:43] <johnnyfive> lordcirth__, I just download several packages from the official repo and ran `debsign-verify` and none of them contain signing information.
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> johnnyfive: Try: gpg --verify {Package}
[19:14] <TuoNik> ciao
[19:14] <TuoNik> !list
[19:20] <Grievre> Is this the right channel for Upstart questions?
[19:21] <Bashing-om> Grievre: Ask :)
[19:21] <ioria> Grievre, are you still on  14.04  ?
[19:21] <OerHeks> Grievre, ubuntu + upstart, yes
[19:21] <Grievre> I have a system on which mountall is failing but I have no idea where its output is going (since it's definitely not going to the serial console)
[19:22] <Grievre> So the only information I'm getting is that mountall failed with exit code 1, but that doesn't really tell me very much
[19:23] <Grievre> is there a way to change upstart's config so that one particular job's output goes directly to the console?
[19:24] <Grievre> kinda surprised this isn't easier
[19:25] <Bashing-om> Grievre: System issues are often depicted in 'dmesg' or the log file - var/log/syslog .
[19:26] <Grievre> Bashing-om: yes, thanks, I already checked dmesg and it'd be hard for it to be in syslog since root is still read-only at that point
[19:26] <Grievre> dmesg generally only outputs kernel messages though, and mountall is a userspace tool
[19:28] <Chucara> Hi. I hope someone can help me with a minor problem. I am unable to mount samba shares from Ubuntu server when I run mount -a.
[19:28] <Chucara> My fstab entry looks like this: //nas/Share1  /media/Share1  cifs  credentials=/home/usr/.smbcredentials,vers=3.0,iocharset=utf8  0  0
[19:28] <Chucara> I get the error "Unable to find suitable address."
[19:29] <Chucara> nslookup nas returns the correct IP.
[19:29] <dc> greets. on 18.04 when i go to a volume (via other locations) and bookmark it, if i then log out and log back in again and click the bookmark, it says unable to find the requesed file. if i then navigate via other locations to the voluem in questions, the bookmark magically works again
[19:29] <dc> This is no desirable behaviour. Any ideas why this is happening?
[19:30] <dc> *not
[19:36] <lordcirth__> dc, what kind of volume? Something that's automounted?
[19:37] <dc> lordcirth__: it's just a normal hard drive
[19:37] <dc> i found another person talking about this in a comment on a tutorial that showed me how to do it
[19:37] <dc> so it's not just me ;-)
[19:37] <lordcirth__> dc, yes, but you haven't configured it to mount? It's just being mounted for you in nautilus?
[19:37] <dc> yes i presume so
[19:37] <dc> zero config on the drive, i boot up and it's there under other locations
[19:37] <OerHeks> Chucara, i think it cannot find your smb credentials as they are stored in your home folder
[19:38] <lordcirth__> dc, while what you're doing ought to work, I would just configure it properly in /etc/fstab.
[19:38] <Chucara> OerHeks: I should probably mention that the line in fstab worked prior to me getting a new router.
[19:38] <dc> lordcirth__: i don't want to have to configure anything on the cli unless i have to
[19:38] <dc> This is something that *should* work no?
[19:39] <Chucara> Does anyone know whether mount even uses DNS lookups to resolve host names?
[19:39] <lordcirth__> dc, it should work, yes, but you'll likely need to learn the basics of Linux at some point anyway.
[19:40] <dc> lordcirth__: i was looking into fstab to automount an nfs share. what would an example row be for a normal drive that i want to behave completely as it would and does currently
[19:41] <dc> *looking yesterday
[19:41] <dc> isn't the drive already mounted, or is that the issue? external volumes aren't mounted by default?
[19:43] <ioria> dc, in /media/<user>  usually
[19:43] <lordcirth__> dc, For a hard drive? Something like: UUID=stuffandthings    /media/mountpoint    ext4  defaults,x-systemd.automount    0   2
[19:43] <lordcirth__> you can find the UUID with lsblk -f
[19:44] <lordcirth__> Labels are also an option, if it has one set. Don't use /dev/sdx paths, they can change.
[19:45] <dc> I am still a little perplexed as to why i need to do this in the first place. Is it that the drive is not automounted until i click it in nautilus?
[19:45] <ioria> yes
[19:46] <dc> is not possible (using some gui tool) to change that behaviour?
[19:46] <EriC^^> dc: try "disks"
[19:46] <ioria> sure
[19:46] <ioria> dc, but why ?
[19:46] <dc> Because I'm still learning, and that /etc/fstab config looks very much like something I could get wrong.
[19:47] <ioria> dc, you simple umount and re-mount in another location
[19:47] <dc> At least a GUI can abstract this complexity away for me to such a menial task
[19:47] <ioria> dc, fstab is not sutitable for external drives
[19:47] <dc> in the "Disks" app, i can see the volume is set to auto mount at startup
[19:50] <EriC^^> dc: as with anything, there's numerous ways to go about it, personally i wouldnt put it in fstab cause if you remove the disk, it might hang for a while during boot up 'waiting' for it, you could use a one liner script that does 'if not mounted -> gvfs-mount disk' which is the way nautilus usually mounts it
[19:51] <dc> I could live with that if you can help me with said one-liner
[19:51] <dc> I do know how to create the startup scripts already, im using it to start vino :)
[19:52] <ioria> we're  mixing things here
[19:52] <EriC^^> ioria: we're open to suggestions as always
[19:52] <ioria> dc is this an internal or external drive ?
[19:52] <dc> it's an internal sata drive, ioria
[19:53] <EriC^^> oh
[19:53] <dc> If you didn't catch my earlier message, im just looking to make sure my bookmark to it works on boot in nautilus :)
 isn't the drive already mounted, or is that the issue? external volumes aren't mounted by default?
[19:54] <dc> ioria: the issue is that on a fresh boot, the bookmark when clicked in nautilius to this drive says it can't be found (dont have message handy)
[19:54] <dc> soon as i navigate to other locations and click the drive, the bookmark magically works
[19:54] <EriC^^> dc: is the stuff grayed out in the disks -> gear thingy for the filesystem?
[19:54] <lordcirth__> ioria, EriC^^, dc I specifically recommended using systemd automounting to solve the problem of hanging on boot.
[19:54] <ioria> lordcirth__, yeah
[19:55] <EriC^^> dc: that's pretty odd
[19:55] <dc> EriC^^: right now everything is fine as i clicked on the drive in question in other locations :)
[19:56] <OerHeks> dc, sounds like it is not in your fstab, so it does not automount
[19:56] <dc> lordcirth__: there is no hanging on boot that im aware of.
[19:56] <EriC^^> dc: i think in the disks tab if automount options is set to on, it doesnt use anything below, it uses some default options
[19:56] <ioria> dc   'moun' should tell you the options in use
[19:56] <lordcirth__> dc, not yet, EriC^^ said above that adding it to fstab could cause hangs. That's why I recommended x-systemd.automount.
[19:57] <EriC^^> apparently the gui disks just adds a line in fstab, it added this for me /dev/disk/by-uuid/6AF6F434F6F4025D /mnt/6AF6F434F6F4025D auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
[19:57] <ioria> dc   'mount'
[19:57] <EriC^^> i wonder about the options it uses lordcirth__ , what's the "nofail" ?
[19:57] <Chucara> Chris, I'm an idiot. My mounting woes are resolved. I forgot I had put an entry with an old IP in /etc/hosts
[19:58] <EriC^^> these options seem interesting dc lordcirth__ ioria https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/53456/what-is-the-difference-between-nobootwait-and-nofail-in-fstab
[19:58] <lordcirth__> EriC^^, 'nofail' will make it wait, timeout, then continue booting, as opposed to dropping to recovery
[19:58] <lordcirth__> But setting automount is better, as it will not even try to mount until you access it.
[19:59] <EriC^^> yeah that'd be pretty nice, he says its not finding it at first and he has to browse around then click again
[19:59] <dc> it's there, under other locations
[20:00] <dc> it's the bookmark that doesn't function
[20:00] <dc> I can't find any reference on how to do what you suggest lordcirth__ on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[20:00] <EriC^^> the 'nobootwait' seems pretty decent in fstab
[20:01] <lordcirth__> dc, that's because that article was last edited in 2014
[20:02] <OerHeks> maybe your fstab is right, but you never ran update-grub
[20:03] <dc> This is all a little overwhelming for a new user who just wants a bookmark to run
[20:03] <EriC^^> dc: did you add the bookmark? mine just appears in the lower region next to computer
[20:04] <dc> yes EriC^^
[20:04] <dc> you need to follow the steps i gave exactly (when i joined channel)
[20:04] <EriC^^> hmm i didnt have to add anything maybe nautilus has some option
[20:04] <dc> add bookmark, logout, log back in, click bookmark
[20:04] <Robull> join #usa
[20:05] <EriC^^> dc: ah i see the problem i got the same error when i bookmarked my other filesystem
[20:06] <EriC^^> then clicked on it, it says unable to find the requested file, please check spelling blabla
[20:06] <dc> yes
[20:06] <EriC^^> the problem is that it's attempting to go to "/media/user/blablala' but it's not actually mounted yet
[20:06] <dc> yep
[20:06] <EriC^^> the bookmark only goes to the file location, it does not mount it for the user
[20:07] <jmichel> add "user" in option
[20:07] <EriC^^> jmichel: it's not a permissions issue, i think, i could try myself hold on
[20:08] <EriC^^> it does seem to work! dc add it to fstab with the "user" option
[20:08] <EriC^^> you could instruct fstab to not mount it on boot with "noauto"
[20:09] <EriC^^> !cookie | jmichel
[20:09] <dc> /dev/sdd1 on /media/dc/Sawyer type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[20:10] <dc> That is what i see on "mount"
[20:10] <EriC^^> dc: go to disks -> gear option -> set the auto mount defaults to off, then in the line that says options add to it "noauto,user"
[20:10] <dc> Are you suggesting that would avoid having to /etc/fstab edit?
[20:10] <EriC^^> dc: it would put the options there in fstab
[20:11] <EriC^^> dc: the "user" option basically lets anyone mount it, even without any sudo permissions
[20:11] <dc> alright is there any way for me to test that theory without logging out ;-)?
[20:11] <dc> otherwise i need to part here for a moment
[20:11] <EriC^^> seems kinda like a bug that nautilus would attempt mounting it but flunk at the permissions part if you click on a bookmark
[20:12] <EriC^^> dc: yeah sure, just unmount the filesystem, then click on the bookmark, it should work and not mention no file found
[20:12] <EriC^^> i already tried it here so it should work
[20:12] <dc> sudo umount /dev/<device_id> right?
[20:13] <EriC^^> dc: yeah /dev/sdxY
[20:13] <dc> okay it unmounted but clicking through the bookmark doesnt work
[20:14] <EriC^^> dc: what's in your fstab currently? type "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:14] <EriC^^> also type "lsblk -f | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:15] <dc> /dev/disk/by-uuid/0A80906780905B51 /mnt/0A80906780905B51 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show,noauto,user 0 0
[20:16] <dc> https://termbin.com/pyiu
[20:16] <fleabeard> hello friends, trying to figure out how I can run a .sh as a user that was created with --disabled-login. Problem I'm having is when I try and run the script with su - newuser -c "/opt/newuser/mycmd.sh" I get an error "su Authentication Failure" which is to be expected since that user doesn't have login. Any ideas how to get this to work?
[20:17] <nacc> fleabeard: uh, '-' means '--login'
[20:18] <nacc> fleabeard: read `man su`.
[20:18] <EriC^^> dc: oh nevermind, it's just accessing the dir it created for me, i thought it was mounting it too cause that filesystem is empty for me, my bad
[20:19] <dc> :sadpanda:
[20:19] <EriC^^> :D
[20:20] <EriC^^> i guess you could always add it to fstab with "auto,nobootwait" minus the "user" option
[20:20] <dc> so keep it as is, but with those extra options?
[20:20] <EriC^^> it should mount it every time you boot and the bookmark would work, but if you do, fix the mount location
[20:20] <EriC^^> dc: yeah remove the 'noauto,user' and replace with 'auto,nobootwait'
[20:21] <dc> what do you mean fix the mount loc
[20:21] <EriC^^> dc: also change the mountpoint from "/mnt/0A80906780905B51" to "/media/<your username>/0A80906780905B51"
[20:21] <EriC^^> so it's consistent with nautilus mounting scheme
[20:22] <EriC^^> and do "sudo mkdir /media/<your user>/0A80906780905B51"
[20:22] <dc> /dev/disk/by-uuid/0A80906780905B51 /mnt/myuser/0A80906780905B51 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show,auto,nobootfail, 0 0
[20:22] <dc> so i have that now in /etc/fstab
[20:22] <dc> i should run your mkdir cmd and reboot?
[20:23] <EriC^^> come to think of it, i think if nautilus finds the dir there, it'll create an extra /media/user/numbers-here(1)  instead
[20:23] <EriC^^> dc: there's a typo it's "nobootwait"
[20:24] <dc> fixed
[20:24] <dc> so what are you my next steps with the line as pasted above with the typofix?
[20:24] <EriC^^> dc: also actually just leave it as /mnt/0A8.... bla bla bla without user
[20:24] <dc> done
[20:24] <genii> dc: in fstab I think you want more syntax like UUID=0A80906780905B51 /mnt/myuser/0A80906780905B51 <filetype here, for example ext4>  <options here>
[20:25] <dc> genii: im just using what "disks" added in there when i turned off automount at boot
[20:25] <EriC^^> same thing i'd guess
[20:25] <dc> EriC^^: do i need to do this mkdir thing still or should i try a reboot now or?
[20:26] <EriC^^> dc: ah there's one more thing, the bookmark is set to /media/user i think
[20:26] <EriC^^> dc: so change it to /mnt/0A.....
[20:27] <dc> it is
[20:27] <dc> so should just clicking on it now after an unmount, er... mount it?
[20:27] <dc> ah i guess i need to do something to pick up the new fstab config
[20:28] <EriC^^> dc: nah now it should automount on boot up
[20:28] <dc> alright so a reboot needed here?
[20:29] <EriC^^> dc: yeah, is the dir in "/mnt" created?
[20:29] <dc> okay, be back shortly!yeah
[20:29] <dc> * yeah
[20:29] <dc> sorry got excited and pre-typed my message
[20:30] <EriC^^> ok cool try rebooting and we'll see from there
[20:30] <dc> be back then!
[20:32] <dc> Looking good EriC^^ !
[20:32] <EriC^^> dc: nice, is the bookmark working?
[20:33] <dc> now i need to do it with 2 other drives :)
[20:33] <dc> yes
[20:33] <EriC^^> cool
[20:33] <dc> Has a crappy name, but rename should be fine i guess it's cosmetic
[20:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:33] <dc> I presume I can avoid that 0001203120 by editing the mount location in /etc/fstab also?
[20:33] <dc> so i can navigate using /mnt/vanityname instead of /mnt/0121203123
[20:34] <EriC^^> dc: you can actually mount it where you want, just change the /mnt/uuid to /mnt/something-meaningful in fstab and create the dir for it
[20:35] <dc> thank you for your assistance and help EriC^^
[20:35] <dc> Ultimately, as you suggested already, I'd argue this is a bug :)
[20:36] <EriC^^> dc: no problem
[20:51] <vakket> TRYING to install ubuntu from usb, but dont see usb in boot options (only cd and hd)
[20:53] <vakket> is it possible there is no usb-boot? (even if there are usb ports on computer)
[20:56] <EriC^^> vakket: how old is the pc
[20:56] <EriC^^> vakket: do you have the live usb plugged in while checking?
[20:57] <vakket> EriC^^: about 12 years more or less. No i didnt plug it in, so it makes a difference?
[20:58] <vakket> EriC^^: 10 years
[21:00] <EriC^^> vakket: it should have usb capabilites i'd think
[21:00] <bilb_ono> why doesn't sudo work when I Try and delete all the text from a file? I do  sudo echo "" > /var/log/apache2/error.log
[21:00] <bilb_ono> and it gives me permission denied
[21:00] <bilb_ono> but I can edit it with sudo using vim
[21:00] <vakket> EriC^^: is lubuntu the lightest version of ubuntu? which one should i install?
[21:00] <EriC^^> vakket: try plugging the usb into various ports, if one doesnt work try the other, also try to get the bios's one-time boot menu where you can select something on the fly, it might be there
[21:01] <EriC^^> vakket: it's up to you, what's the cpu/ram ?
[21:01] <vakket> EriC^^: i think i'll go with the lightest one, which one is it?
[21:01] <EriC^^> bilb_ono: the ">" doesnt cross over sudo to it, cause bash uses that as a redirection before even running the command sudo
[21:02] <EriC^^> bilb_ono: you can do 'echo "something" | sudo tee /path/to/file'
[21:02] <vakket> EriC^^: how to check cpu/ram from terminal?
[21:02] <bilb_ono> ok thanks
[21:02] <EriC^^> bilb_ono: or, sudo bash -c 'echo "" > /path/to/file'
[21:03] <EriC^^> vakket: "sudo lshw -c cpu; free -h"
[21:07] <vakket> EriC^^: is it Mem?
[21:08] <vakket> cpu is 1.60GHz
[21:08] <EriC^^> dualcore?
[21:09] <EriC^^> vakket: yeah it's mem
[21:09] <EriC^^> look under "total"
[21:09] <vakket>  EriC^^: 983M
[21:10] <vakket>  EriC^^: where does it say about dualcore?
[21:11] <EriC^^> vakket: try "sudo lshw | grep cores"
[21:12] <vakket>  EriC^^: it didn't give an output
[21:13] <EriC^^> vakket: i think you could try 'xubuntu' and see how it goes, its said it needs minimum 512mb of ram, it depends a lot on the usage and stuff
[21:13] <EriC^^> if you find it getting too slow,using swap a lot etc you could try the lighter lubuntu i guess
[21:14] <vakket>  EriC^^: thankyou for all the help, can you also please tell me which is the lightest of all versions of ubuntu (lubuntu?)
[21:14] <EriC^^> vakket: yeah lubuntu is the lightest, it's also more optimized for older hardware
[21:14] <EriC^^> do you mean which version like 14.04 16.04 etc?
[21:15] <vakket> EriC^^: superlast question: there is no way to see that thing about usb-boot from terminal?
[21:17] <EriC^^> vakket: no idea, but there is a software thats very small that fits on a cd and used to boot usb's if the pc doesnt have usb booting, it's called plop iirc
[21:18] <vakket> EriC^^: maybe version was the wrong word
[21:18] <vakket> EriC^^: ok thankyou, byebye
[21:18] <EriC^^> no problem, bye
[21:19] <tomreyn> !flavors | vakket
[21:19] <tomreyn> that's how we call them
[21:19] <tomreyn> flavo(u)rs or variants
[21:20] <vakket> :)
[21:21] <tomreyn> :) ttyl
[21:24] <texla> tomreyn, Is Backbox regarded as a favor..It run 16.04 and can be upgraded to 18.04 from the software manager
[21:25] <tomreyn> !backbox | texla
[21:55] <ckopn> info
[21:56] <ckopn>  how to switch keyboard languages with alt+shift?
[22:31] <etronik> eek how the heck do I log-off from my 18.04 session?
[22:31] <rek> hi everyone why do i get packet filtered trying to ping an external host? i connect to the internet through my 3g key usin wvdial
[22:39] <enoch> hello
[22:44] <the2048> So it seems that audio sources don't play until the first 10 seconds have gone by
[22:44] <the2048> What's going on with my pulseaudio stuff
[22:47] <the2048> It's mplayer, VLC, and rhythmbox that are affected
[22:48] <the2048> VLC only misses the first 3 seconds, rhythmbox doesn't play at all, and mplayer only misses the first 10
[23:34] <ayeho> hii !!
[23:37] <pnwise> Is there software to stream to linux machine
[23:37] <pnwise> Like casting to a tv
[23:41] <OerHeks> there is a plex snap, but prop stuff
[23:41] <OerHeks> vlc can stream, ffmpeg
[23:44] <pnwise> I want to have something like server/daemon that will listen and when something is casted to it will start automatically
[23:44] <pnwise> Like I can go and manually find the thing I want to play on that machine
[23:44] <pnwise> but the idea is to be convinient
[23:44] <OerHeks> oh, any mediaplayer can listen
[23:44] <pnwise> I usually leave it it browser having emby open
[23:45] <OerHeks> xbmc/kodi perhaps
[23:45] <pnwise> I will build one myself I guess
[23:45] <pnwise> only thing I found is cast-server for rpi
[23:54] <CarlFK> how do i config usr/sbin/sendmail (exim4) to send using smtp.gmail.com ?
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