[08:25] <Gargoyle> Mornin' all. Anyone else getting signing issues with google chrome repo's this morning, or have I broken something? :-/
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> Gargoyle: chrome isnt officially on ubuntu repos, use chromium-browser as the ubuntu alternate
[08:29] <Gargoyle> Thanks lotuspsychje, I'm aware of Chrome vs Chromium. I was just wondering if any other 19.04 testers using Chrome had woken up to the same today.
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> Gargoyle: for chrome issues, best to contact the chrome maintainers
[08:55] <guiverc> Gargoyle, maybe look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1133199/the-following-signatures-were-invalid-expkeysig-1397bc53640db551  if that's your issue; ie. google stuffed up, no doubt they'll be working on it so be patient
[09:17] <Gargoyle> Thanks, guiverc.
[09:18] <guiverc> :)
[12:29] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: you can do this:   sudo apt-key net-update
[12:30] <tomreyn> it should get the non-expired (extended) copy of the key you already have from a keyserver.
[12:39] <Gargoyle> Thanks tomreyn. I'll remember that for the future, but it looks like google has messed something up. Manually downloading the key and trying to add it doesn't work.
[12:39] <Gargoyle> Results in "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found."
[12:41] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: it is correct that the signing key that expired today is not available at https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub
[12:42] <tomreyn> this said, a non-expired copy of the signing key that is actually used to sign these packages, and was accepted by your system until today, is available on gpg keyservers. and that the   sudo apt-key net-update   command retrives this copy for your local system. 
[12:42] <tomreyn> which should then re-enable your system to work with this repository.
[12:43] <Gargoyle> nope. :-(
[12:43] <Gargoyle> apt-key net-update had no effect
[12:44] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: can you show the    apt-get update    warning / error message?
[12:44] <Gargoyle> yup. I pastebinned it this morning in another chan... let me dig it up
[12:44] <Gargoyle> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bPmsfz2BDX/
[12:45] <tomreyn> so you still got the exct same message with the exact same warning and key id now?
[12:46] <Gargoyle> yup (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4SV6hC3C8x/)
[12:50] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: does this output anything?  apt-key list 2>&1 | grep -A1 '1397 BC53 640D B551'
[12:52] <tomreyn> Gargoyle:  actually this: apt-key list 1397BC53640DB551
[12:53] <Gargoyle> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fJWpHq4j2v/
[12:54] <Gargoyle> says it expires in 2020 :-/
[12:55] <tomreyn> right, so it's not expired.
[12:55] <tomreyn> maybe the locally installed copy of this key somehow overrides the one imported from the network, not sure.
[12:56] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get update     still reports the warning now, right?
[12:58] <tomreyn> maybbe if you run "sudo apt-key update" it will fix it.
[12:59] <Gargoyle> That seems to only want to operate on ubuntu keys.
[13:05] <tomreyn> ok, i give up then.
[13:10] <Gargoyle> Thanks anyway. I learned some new commands! :-)
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: explain whats happening in kernel 5 plz?
[14:27] <tenplus1> when update installed 5.0 it reboot and came to a black screen with stable cursor (no flashing) and does nothing else... I can ctrl+alt+1 to a new tty andlogin through terminal to reboot back into 4.19 kernel and that works fine
[14:28] <tenplus1> I looked at journal but no errors appear, few lines with v4l camera not found but nothing else
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: are your graphics drivers installed correctly?
[14:28] <tenplus1> intel gfx
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[14:28] <tenplus1> it's running on 64-bit Acer Cloudbook 14 with 2gb and intel gfx
[14:29] <tenplus1> it wont even boot from flash drive when 5.0 kernel is on it
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: is it possible to share your dmesg of the kernel 5 boot?
[14:29] <tenplus1> yeah, lemmie get laptop and try
[14:33] <tenplus1> https://pastebin.com/kGy0wCWA
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> tnx tenplus1 
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: can you confirm if your bios is update to latest?µ
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[14:38] <tenplus1> yeah 1.1 is latest
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: ok i dont really find much suspicious, unless the acpi warnings
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: might be interesting to file a new !bug on your issue
[14:39] <tomreyn> hi tenplus1, why do you boot with the nopti kernel parameter?
[14:39] <tenplus1> strange what kernel 4.18 works fine but 5.0 being newer does not...
[14:39] <tenplus1> speed mostly, it boosts web browser... but tried without that flag as well
[14:39] <tenplus1> want me to remove ?
[14:40] <tomreyn> if you can post the journal of a boot without this parameter, that'sd be nice, yes
[14:40] <tenplus1> okie, 2 ticks
[14:45] <tenplus1> https://pastebin.com/mW1bLM09
[14:47] <tomreyn> tenplus1: newer bios versions (you have 1.1.0): https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/6363?b=1
[14:48] <tenplus1> o.O how to flash using linux ?
[14:51] <tomreyn> hmm, it's an insyde bios. the only vendor (acer) supported approach will be flashing from windows, i suppose. the bios vendor (insyde) provides linux utilities for flashing as well, but those are officially only available to their customers / partners.there are some copies available online, though, but you'd void your warranty using them.
[14:51] <tomreyn> let's consider other options for now.
[14:51] <tenplus1> yup... really dont wanna brick my laptop :P
[14:51] <tomreyn> "Updates CPU microcode and VGA BIOS/GOP driver" in version 1.11 could be related, though
[14:53] <tenplus1> if only it were as easy as running dosbox :D
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> you wont brick laptop with the right firmware for your device tenplus1 
[14:53] <tomreyn> meanwhile a developer reported potentially similar issues to yours with linux 5.0
[14:53] <tomreyn> Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  N3060 is your cpu
[14:54] <tenplus1> yup
[14:54] <tomreyn> the other person reporting it has the same cpu
[14:54] <tenplus1> processor related ?
[14:54] <tomreyn> this is really just a guess so far
[14:54] <tenplus1> damn intel cpu's... my desktop has pentium j2900 and that stalls without a grub line fix
[14:54] <tomreyn> it would help if you could report a bug
[14:55] <tomreyn> if intel related at all, this is most likely limited to this very cpu model.
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: also just before the bug report, see if there's an existing duplicate already
[14:55] <tenplus1> what site do I report issue ?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-bug linux
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: that will direct your bug to launchpad, it will need a launchpad account from you
[14:56] <tenplus1> thanks :)
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: then add your title/story and working kernel version, details
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> feel free to share the bug # after with us
[15:00] <tenplus1> they really didnt make it easy to report a bug
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: where are you stuck?
[15:00] <tenplus1> am on here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:01] <tenplus1> trying to see where to go to report the actual bug
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: first you need to make the launchpad account
[15:01] <tenplus1> am already signed on
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: ok now from a terminal: ubuntu-bug linux
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: scroll to Gargoyle ^^(chrome)
[15:03] <tomreyn> the "ubuntu-bug linux" command will collect some environmental information on your system and add it to your bug report, which helps the developers to identify issues.
[15:04] <Gargoyle> I know it's not 19.04 specific, but just for FYI. I removed chrome and it's entries from apt sources lists and then re-installed via a fresh .deb download and it hasn't put itself back into sources lists! :/
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> Gargoyle: yeah, we got another case in #ubuntu atm
[15:06] <tenplus1> hopethis helps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1824546
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> Gargoyle: feel free to follow in #ubuntu-discuss too
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: you did not use the terminal way, wich misses alot of vital info
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: can you tell him that command to still add it?
[15:08] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje
[15:08] <tomreyn> sorry, i should tell whom what?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: the apport trick to add vital info to his bug, he didnt use the terminal ubuntu-bug
[15:09] <tomreyn> oh right, thanks for clarifying.
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> : )
[15:09] <tomreyn> tenplus1: please run:  sudo apport-collect 1824546
[15:10] <tomreyn> this will add vital information to your bug report which developers will need to handle your bug report
[15:10] <tenplus1> okie
[15:10] <tenplus1> command not found
[15:11] <tomreyn> tenplus1: you must have a typo there
[15:11] <tomreyn> can you show the command you ran?
[15:12] <tenplus1> exactly the same as you typed above
[15:14] <tomreyn> tenplus1: what's the output of: nc termbin.com < <( dpkg -l apport 2>&1; which apport 2>&1;)
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: is apport installed?
[15:14] <tenplus1> chhecked synaptic, says it's not... wonder if the upgrade messed up something
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: you didnt upgrade from 18.10 right?
[15:15] <tomreyn> apport is indeed priority 'optional', i expected it to be 'required'
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> i have it installed on bionic tomreyn 
[15:17] <tomreyn> me, too
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> !info apport
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> !info apport bionic
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> weird
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> cant recall installing it
[15:18] <tomreyn> it's probably a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, maybe -server, maybe -minimal
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> ah good thinking
[15:19] <tenplus1> yeah I did minimal install
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: did you choose a minimal
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> aha
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> cleared :p
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: so sudo apt install apport, try the command again from tomreyn please
[15:21] <tenplus1> package apport is not available... hold on, lemmie check synaptic
[15:22] <tenplus1> itwont find it during search...
[15:22] <tenplus1> o.O ok am confused
[15:22] <tomreyn> tenplus1: please run this and return the url here:   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog 
[15:23] <tomreyn> this will let us validate your apt sources
[15:24] <tenplus1> I have no idea what that does
[15:24] <tenplus1> am nervous even running it, sorry guys
[15:24] <tomreyn> meaning you prefer not to run it, since you don't feel safe about it?
[15:25] <tomreyn> ok
[15:25] <tomreyn> let's do it simpler then: run this:   sudo apt-get update
[15:25] <tenplus1> did that
[15:25] <tomreyn> this just updates the systesm' information on which packages are available for installation
[15:25] <tomreyn> did it report any errors or warnings?
[15:26] <tenplus1> nope
[15:26] <tomreyn> now run this    apt-cache policy
[15:26] <tomreyn> and if you're ok with sharing this output with us, please do
[15:27] <tomreyn> and once you're done with this, run this to just pretend to do a full update of all installed packages:   sudo apt-get --simulate full-upgrade
[15:27] <tomreyn> and again, if you're comfortable with sharing the full output there, please do.
[15:28] <tomreyn> when i say "sharing the output", i mean posting it to https://paste.ubuntu.com and posting the web address you end up on here.
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: we make you work hard heh :p
[15:28] <tenplus1> https://pastebin.com/rPtepj2X
[15:28] <tomreyn> the url you just posted says "This page is no longer available. It has either expired, been removed by its creator, or removed by one of the Pastebin staff."
[15:28] <tomreyn> please use https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:29] <tenplus1> https://pastebin.com/rPtpej2X
[15:29] <tomreyn> you lack some repositories.
[15:29] <tenplus1> found a guide showing how to make bootable .img using freedos so I can run bios update, but update is too huge to fit on floppy :) heh
[15:29] <tomreyn> disco-updates and disco-security
[15:31] <tomreyn> your bios update is 9 MB, floppy disks could store up to 1,44 MB.
[15:31] <tenplus1> disco updates and security are ticked inside UPDATES tab of software & updates
[15:31] <tenplus1> the bios update is 4.8mb
[15:31] <tomreyn> looks like you found another bug then ;)
[15:32] <tomreyn> CO112SFS.FD is the actual bios update after unpacking the .exr file
[15:33] <tomreyn> .exe
[15:33] <tomreyn> but let's focus on completing your bug report for now.
[15:33] <tenplus1> okie :)
[15:33] <tomreyn> i suggest you untick disco updates and security on the UPDATES tab of software & updates
[15:33] <tomreyn> then close it
[15:34] <tomreyn> then confirm to run an update
[15:34] <tomreyn> then open it again, then tick them again, then close it again, then confirm to run an update
[15:34] <tomreyn> then run     apt-cache policy     again, and post the output to https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:36] <tenplus1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/[/3GnbRTMgKz/
[15:36] <tenplus1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3GnbRTMgKz/
[15:36] <tomreyn> hmm, still missing
[15:36] <tomreyn> you can add them manually.
[15:37] <tenplus1> 19.04 has a few issues it seems, although this is coming from a 18.10 upgrade so who knows
[15:37] <tomreyn> i suspect it may be due to the mirror server you have set
[15:37] <tenplus1> apport exists
[15:38] <tomreyn> exists where?
[15:38] <tenplus1> synaptic
[15:38] <tomreyn> but you cannot install it?
[15:38] <tenplus1> searched and found this time around, isntalling now
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: we really reccomend until final release to help testing with clean installs (daily)
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: this way we dont give the developers no extra work searching for maybe upgrade flaws
[15:39] <tenplus1> this way we find the flaws just-in-case
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> correct
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: but your case, you said you tested a kernel 5 usb boot too right?
[15:41] <tenplus1> k, the command is running now
[15:41] <tenplus1> yeah, wouldnt even boot into live image
[15:42] <tomreyn> deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/ubuntu disco-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[15:42] <tomreyn> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security main restricted universe multiverse
[15:42] <tenplus1> ok, run command, authenticated link etc
[15:42] <tenplus1> what do I do now 
[15:42] <tomreyn> add these two lines (ignore le_bot) to your /etc/apt/sources.list to get security patches and bug fixes.
[15:43] <tomreyn> your bug report now tells you what you need to do: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1824546
[15:43] <tenplus1> it's sent report via term
[15:44] <tomreyn> oh its already ther enow, cool
[15:44] <tomreyn> yes, looks fine now
[15:44] <tomreyn> well done
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> aha
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> great job
[15:44] <tomreyn> tenplus1: so i suggest you add those two lines i posted to your apt sources
[15:45] <tomreyn> tenplus1: and when that is done we can look into a possible workaround
[15:45] <tenplus1> they exist right down the bottom already
[15:46] <tomreyn> who or what exists where right down the bottom of what already?
[15:47] <tenplus1> lol, the 2 sources lines for updates and security already exist in the sources.list file
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: this machine goes far as InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 16.10 "Yakkety Yak" - Alpha amd64 (20160824) ?
[15:48] <tenplus1> I've had many versions installed :) yeah
[15:48] <tomreyn> and you started with an alpha, uh
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: try to avoid that in the future okay, what we discussed
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> clean dailys :p
[15:49] <tenplus1> if the daily boots :P
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: but thank you for taking your time to report the bug
[15:49] <tomreyn> okay the reason i assumed you dont have those two apt sources, yet is because they are empty so far, and thus don't show in the "apt-cache policy" output
[15:51] <tenplus1> eventhough they were enabled... strange
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> well even on a minimal, kernel should at least boot right 
[15:52] <tomreyn> tenplus1: for a possible workaround, just create a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put this inside: https://termbin.com/efoq
[15:52] <tenplus1> what will that do ?
[15:53] <tomreyn> configure the X graphics server to use the "intel" graphics driver
[15:53] <tomreyn> normally this should be happening automatically. apparently it does not happen automatically with kernel 5.0
[15:54] <tenplus1> checking now
[15:54] <tomreyn> so this is a workaround you may want to test / use tempoirarily until your bug report is fixed.
[15:54] <tomreyn> once it is fixed, you should remove the file
[15:55] <tomreyn> once the bug you reported enters state "fix released", that is
[15:55] <tenplus1> will this impact the gfx in any way ?
[15:55] <tomreyn> yes, i hope so. ideally it'll work then.
[15:55] <tenplus1> I mean will it amke things slower using this ? than what it usually uses ?
[15:55] <tomreyn> no
[15:56] <tenplus1> ah kewl, btw it booted :)
[15:56] <tenplus1> thanks guys :D
[15:56] <tomreyn> so linux 5.0 boots fine with this configuration?
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> thank you for the report tenplus1 
[15:56] <tenplus1> might not need to update bios anymore :D
[15:57] <tomreyn> tenplus1: please confirm, so i can add this to cyour bug report as a workaround for others.
[15:58] <tenplus1> will reboot again
[15:59] <tenplus1> yup, booted again and uname reports 5.0.0-8 kernel... thanks :))
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> Eickmeyer: ^
[16:00] <tomreyn> tenplus1: thanks for confirming.
[16:00] <tenplus1> is it really worth keeping bios up to date ya think ?
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: well as we saw some acpi warnings in your dmesg, you are the boss of your system :p
[16:02] <tenplus1> I prolly should... this is gonna get messy :D 3 guides open already
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: can you try: fwupdate -l from terminal plz?
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> tenplus1: I posted a workaround in your bug report, but I have the same problem. The workaround was my fix: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Xorg_configuration
[16:03] <tenplus1> thanks Eickmeyer
[16:04] <tenplus1> does fwupdate work ??? I mean, will it brick my pc
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> -l will give you a list (if available)
[16:04] <tenplus1> nothing appears
[16:04] <tomreyn> tenplus1: wont work for you , no
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> the manual way then :p
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate
[16:07] <tenplus1> yeah tried all those, turns out I need to make a bootable freedos image and copy the .exe file onto it to update my bios here
[16:07] <tenplus1> long winded way of doing something so simple
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> every brand has its own system and for ubuntu, it can be fiddle around a bit sometimes
[16:09] <tomreyn> what you would need is a vopy of H2OFFT-Lx64
[16:09] <tomreyn> a *c*opy
[16:10] <tenplus1> who ?
[16:10] <tomreyn> you, tenplus1 
[16:11] <tomreyn> that'S the linux variant of insyde's bios flashing tools
[16:14] <tenplus1> would be nice if there was a simple ubuntu guide on downloading an .iso/.img for FreeDOS and mounting it to copy your bios files onto it, write and boot
[16:14] <tomreyn> http://download.udoo.org/files/UDOO_X86/UEFI_update/UDOOX86_B02-UEFI_Update_rel106.zip contains a copy.
[16:16] <tenplus1> what does that actually do ?
[16:17] <tomreyn> install the bios update
[16:17] <tenplus1> checking
[16:22] <tenplus1> permission denied while building...
[16:22] <tenplus1> oh well, I tried :P
[16:24] <tomreyn> so you'd need /Linux/x64/x64/H2OFFT-Lx64 from http://download.udoo.org/files/UDOO_X86/UEFI_update/UDOOX86_B02-UEFI_Update_rel106.zip , the firmware update file CO112SFS.FD and firmware update configuration file platform.ini which are contained in the self-extracting exe file (unpack using unzip) in https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/BIOS/BIOS/BIOS_Acer_1.12_A_A.zip?acerid=636231557448174821
[16:24] <tomreyn> and the right command line options, which you'd need to find out yourself, since i don't want to pass you a loaded gun
[16:25] <tenplus1> am gonna skip it, too much hassle :) thanks tho
[16:26] <tomreyn> ok ;)
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: did you experiment with flashrom before?
[16:42] <tenplus1> oh yeah, Minetest stable is now at 5.0.1 but the ubu repo's for 19.04 still use the older version, can this be sorted before release ?
[16:49] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: the "flashrom" utility? no, i never had matching hardware.
[16:50] <tomreyn> tenplus1: 19.04 is past the freeze, so no, it would have to be a !SRU, MRU or !PPA
[16:50] <tenplus1> aww, ok
[16:50] <tomreyn> probably not MRU, since i doubt it's in main
[16:51] <tomreyn> (or will be)
[16:51] <tenplus1> is a great opensource minecraft styled game :)
[16:53] <tomreyn> i knew that much ;)
[16:54] <tenplus1> ehehe
[17:04] <tenplus1> buy guys