 What should be the test plan?
[00:04]  * The_LoudSpeaker drinks a coffee
[00:05] <wxl> that an iso built from that seed does not include ubuntu-report
[00:05] <wxl> in an ideal world, also that our packageset does not include golang packages
 noted
 D7
 @The_LoudSpeaker [D7], The differential revision
 I'm kind of undecided between papirus and e-papirus icon
[00:11] <wxl> btw @The_LoudSpeaker in your differential revision descriptions, if there's a task, add a reference to it in there. i.e. Removed ubuntu-report as it was not required T50
 E-papirus make boring menu icons look better (about lxqt, skanlite, Screenshot, printers) but the app icon not so good, because they are greish instead of blackish
 @wxl [<wxl> btw @The_LoudSpeaker in your differential revision descriptions, if there' …], noted. should I edit the description now?
 @HMollerCl [I'm kind of undecided between papirus and e-papirus icon], e- papirus is only for elementary os right?
 Not only, it was made for it
 But any distro can use it
 k. but imo papirus looks better in lubuntu.
 I was cloning lubuntu-default-settings for T21. Idk its empty after cloning
 Here is the pastebin of clone:
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P4
 Why am I getting the warning that "remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout." ?
[00:24] <kc2bez> What is the output of `git branch`
[00:25] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker sure you can edit the description if you want
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> What is the output of `git branch`], Nothing. empty
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker sure you can edit the description if you want], arc diff —update D5 right?
[00:26] <wxl> mmm i think it might be amend
[00:26] <wxl> or you can just get on and edit it XD
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> What is the output of `git branch`], Lite. got that. I ran git checkout ubuntu\disco
 @wxl [<wxl> or you can just get on and edit it XD], ???
[00:27] <wxl> go to the url and edit it
[00:27]  * The_LoudSpeaker scratches head
 @wxl [<wxl> go to the url and edit it], okay.gotcha
 @wxl [<wxl> go to the url and edit it], Done
[00:30] <wxl> soo now you're trying to check out lubuntu-default-settings?
 @wxl [<wxl> soo now you're trying to check out lubuntu-default-settings?], for xcreensavers task
 you mentioned na ki it would be another addition to default settings
[00:31] <wxl> ohh uh actually
[00:32] <wxl> these should all go into the eagle branch but we don't have any
[00:32] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you need to make branches i'm assuming?
 eagle - the next release code name?
 full name?
 Nope
 Eagle isn't the name
 It's just a placeholder
 Enlighting Eagle? XD
 I was waiting for someone to notice XD
[00:33] <wxl> i figured as such/didn't care
[00:33] <kc2bez> I noticed, it's horrible XD
[00:34] <kc2bez> JK of course
[00:34] <wxl> are you, though? :)
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I noticed, it's horrible XD], It really is.
[00:34] <kc2bez> Kidding tsimonq2 sure.
 So T21 posponed untill we get a ubuntu/eagle branch ?
[00:35] <wxl> @tsimonq2: can we make a placeholder branch that we can rename or have a symbolic link sort of thing like devel?
[00:57]  * The_LoudSpeaker sleeps
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: can we make a placeholder branch that we can rename or have a s …], No
[01:02] <wxl> bah so we wait
 Yes
[01:17] <wxl> kc2bez: mouse over the 19.10 EE link in the phab sidebar
[01:17] <kc2bez> :)
[01:19] <kc2bez> We love you Simon!
 <3
 Time to test until we're blue in the face, and write release notes!
[01:25] <wxl> not sure you noticed but all of our last minute fixes are tested
 Throw it at the wall
 You know, the usual release testing
[01:26] <wxl> yep
[01:26] <wxl> i know i've got some known bugs for you
[01:26] <teward> wxl: lynorian: tsimonq2: I need a priority list for this weekend on what you want me to finish work on *first* for infra
[01:26] <wxl> of course the usb-creator-kde one is obvious
[01:26] <teward> current priority list is RTD, Phab inbound, and Discourse in that order, unless you want to discuss amongst yourselves and override?
[01:26] <wxl> teward: my vote is RTD
[01:26] <wxl> +1
 +1
[01:27] <wxl> i see RTD as urgent, phab inbound as high and discourse as wishlist
 Agreed
[01:28] <teward> if we're in agreement then i'll tackle RTD first
[01:28] <wxl> well i KNOW lynorian wants that first so we don't even have to ask her X''''D
[01:28] <teward> Phab inbound mail is going to be a liiiitle more tricky and also has a third-party blocker (Canonical IS needs to coordinate some things)
[01:28] <teward> :P
[01:29] <wxl> phab inbound won't be quite so urgent as we'll have a lull until development opens, or at least we have a codename
[01:29] <teward> ack
[01:29] <teward> the good thing is from Phab's specific perspective...
[01:29] <teward> it's ready to 'accept' inbound mail
[01:30] <teward> the bad thing is, SMTP is a pain, and has a LOT of DNS integration so
[01:30] <wxl> that said, for anyone that's looking for work to do after release and until development for ee-series is open..... help me with bug triage darn you!!!!
[01:30] <teward> wxl: in Soviet Russia... bugs triage YOU!
[01:30] <teward> *shot*
[01:31] <wxl> hey teward what do you think about `remarkup.enable-embedded-youtube true`?
[01:32] <teward> assert isinstance(context, Object) is not None;
[01:32] <teward> AssertionError
[01:32] <wxl> ? XD
[01:33] <teward> wxl: you need to brush up on your Python
[01:33] <teward> context is missing wrt the question
[01:33] <teward> and is required
[01:33] <wxl> it's a config option for phab to allow youtube embeds
 @wxl [<wxl> that said, for anyone that's looking for work to do after release and unti …], You mean the Electric Eagle? ;P
[01:33] <wxl> smh
[01:34] <teward> wxl: why do we want or need YouTube embeds, just wondering?
[01:34] <wxl> there was a situation the other day i wanted to include one :)
[01:34] <teward> ah
[01:35] <teward> ask Simon first :p
[01:35] <teward> @tsimonq2 ^
 Ack
 also
 ELECTRIC
 EAGLE
[01:37] <teward> @tsimonq2 so... that's a "Yes, enable" or a "No, leave it alone" for youtube embeds?
 Correct
 Yes
 Do it
 standby...
 *accidentally crashes phab* ...ooops
[01:39] <wxl> um @tsimonq2 you can't say electric eagle
[01:39] <wxl> you HAVE to say EE
[01:40] <wxl> because otherwise it wouldn't be in an acronym
[01:40] <wxl> *shot*
 ELECTRIC EAGLE
 I wanna see if anyone legit picks up on it
 wxl: want to test it now?
 "Oh yeah, found the codename"
[01:40]  * wxl writes a toot about what a stupid codename that would be
 Bet
 Link me
[01:41] <wxl> i mean disco dingleberry wasn't much better
[01:44] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T52
[01:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Spite] allow youtube embeds: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T52
[01:45] <kc2bez> Bold prediction -->Elegant Eland<--
 hey look at that it works
 and all I had to do was throw a little but of JSON around.
 wxl: looks like it 'just works'  :P
[01:47] <wxl> thus "look what i can do"
 heh
[01:52] <wxl> headed home
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 Does Lubuntu NOT include OpenVPN packages by default?
[17:07] <teward> no Ubuntu variant ships OpenVPN packages as part of a default install, but they are able to be installed
[17:07] <tsimonq2> That's a really good question that I would love to know the answer to. :)
[17:07] <tsimonq2> teward: orly?
 You are talking about client or server?
[17:07] <teward> tsimonq2: *points at the 19.04 Lubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Kubuntu installs he's been testing for reasons, and points at OpenVPN client bits not being installed*
[17:07] <teward> HMollerCl: that'd be 'both' in answer to the original question
 Yes, only that for client I know how to Install it
 Basically you have to install network-manager-gnome
 Cannot configure VPN with nm-try
 Client
 What's the preferred method for configuring VPN connections on LXQT then?
 Aside from specific services providing clients of their own.
 Installing network-manager-gnome and the related protocol pacakges
 That's what I thought, thank you. :)
 In case of open VPN network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome
 You can connect with nm-tray, but not configure vpn
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 @teward [<teward> no Ubuntu variant ships OpenVPN packages as part of a default install, …], Ubuntu-mate in a default install does indeed have the open vpn and networkmanager plugins installed.
 Not sure about any other variant.
[17:28] <teward> ah, well MATE didn't want to install
[17:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEEDe65b8cd212f9: Removed ubuntu-report] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDe65b8cd212f9
[17:28] <teward> TBH I forgot Mate was a thing
 Sad face :(
[17:28] <teward> but no, I don't think the other desktop distros include it.
[17:28] <teward> and I've noticed a LOT of bugs in the OpenVPN plugin that I still have to finish filing heh
[17:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#772
 Both Ubuntu and Kubuntu have the openvpn config options included in their respective network managers.
 I don't have an Xubuntu ISO handy to check.
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[17:37] <teward> wonder if that's a recent change
[17:37] <teward> not all these VMs have been updated recently
 I know with Mate at least it dates back to 16.04.
 Though to be honest it's been in there as long as I can rememver.
 *remember
[17:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#783
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[17:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#797
[17:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#798
[18:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement support for extra protocols in nm-tray] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#802
[18:04] <tsimonq2> teward: DOUBLE JINKS
[18:04] <tsimonq2> *JINX
[18:04] <tsimonq2> *shot*
[18:04] <teward> tsimonq2: you still owe me money so you now owe me two sodas :P
[18:04] <tsimonq2> I do?
[18:04] <teward> on top of it :p
[18:04] <teward> well someone does :P
[18:04] <wxl> hm
[18:04] <wxl> three minunte delay = not a jinx
[18:05] <tsimonq2> hmmm
[18:05] <tsimonq2> lol
[18:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: Morning!
[18:05] <wxl> TEWARD.. IS.. SO.. SLOW..
[18:05]  * teward drops wxl into /dev/null
[18:05] <tsimonq2> wxl, teward: Both of you should get a Yubikey
[18:05] <tsimonq2> I'm serious
[18:05] <teward> i have three.
[18:05] <teward> :P
[18:05] <tsimonq2> good
[18:05] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:06] <tsimonq2> I keep one on my keychain
[18:06] <wxl> my birthday's coming up @tsimonq2 
[18:06] <tsimonq2> Just replaced my usual SSH key with that, everywhere, last night.
[18:06] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:06] <tsimonq2> ok
[18:06] <tsimonq2> bet
[18:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: Do you know how it works?
[18:06] <wxl> yep. been eyeing them for a while and just haven't pulled the trigger
[18:07] <tsimonq2> teward: Is that everyone who has SSH access to the server? You, me, wxl?
[18:08] <tsimonq2> Because once wxl gets one, we should make it a mandatory thing.
[18:08] <tsimonq2> That way, No Breaches.
[18:08] <teward> i use SSH Key Auth only
[18:08] <tsimonq2> hm?
[18:08] <teward> my yubikeys are at work still
[18:08] <teward> and I don't trust that as a pure replacement.
[18:08] <teward> yet
[18:09] <tsimonq2> At Altispeed they're mandatory
[18:09] <tsimonq2> BUT
[18:10] <tsimonq2> I do plan on, Very Soon, creating a backup SSH key and deploying that as well, but keeping that in a vault-like setup with an airgapped machine.
[18:11] <teward> sounds like how i keep my keys
[18:11] <teward> FDE encryption on this computer :p
[18:11] <teward> the keys are then kept in a PGP encrypted container
[18:11] <tsimonq2> I have FDE on all my computers.
[18:11] <tsimonq2> ALSO
[18:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO USES THAT ACRONYM
[18:11] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:11] <teward> and my PGP privkeys only exist on a hardware-encrypted thumbdrive I keep in the gun safe next to the .45 i keep in there
[18:11] <teward> sooooooooo
[18:13] <guiverc> i can work on 19.04 install.checklist on tuesday (aest or my localtime); can't help before then sorry.
[18:13] <tsimonq2> guiverc: It's all good, thanks!
[18:13] <tsimonq2> teward: ahhh
[18:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATA439b3e58012f: Separate out stable and unstable.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATA439b3e58012f
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[18:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI80f4d4697ffe: Add separate upload targets.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI80f4d4697ffe
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[18:50] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i notice the use of title case on https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/new-code/ so are we to refer to this page as PNNC?</troll>
[18:50] <tsimonq2> YES
[18:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIe69667bfff87: Wrap it in a bash call.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIe69667bfff87
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[18:56] <tsimonq2> Unintended (positive!) side effect; stable jobs that don't work need their watch files fixed.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, now we have stable builds in the CI.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> This will absolutely help with Backports.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Oh, and we can also stage updates for the next release in ci/stable, and then just pull them in and upload at the beginning of the release cycle.
[19:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: get rid of `$BROWSER`!] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53#803
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[19:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#806
[19:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what do you mean by platform seed?
[19:53] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/
[19:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING43c6704afa9d: Change to a release-based versioning scheme.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING43c6704afa9d
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[19:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#807
[19:56] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-meta (disco-proposed/universe) [1.16 => 19.04.1] (lubuntu)
[19:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL944b0df57769: Add remove and restore defaults buttons to software sources] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL944b0df57769
[19:58] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you haven't started on the release notes?
[20:00] <wxl> nm
[20:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Nope.
[20:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: I created a task a few days ago ;) we need some
[20:02] <wxl> i'm going to make blog/posts/release/disco/final/post.md and just add in known bugs
[20:02] <tsimonq2> Sounds good.
[20:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9981786fbc91: Remove unnesecary line] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9981786fbc91
[20:06] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i don't seem to have push permissions on the blog
[20:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5857c6358a28: Add launch notifications through panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5857c6358a28
[20:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: .
[20:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ?
[20:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: . = done
[20:07] <wxl> k
[20:15] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.1/retrieving_the_image.html this part needs major changes espically the architexture part 
[20:17] <lynorian> I think I will at this point have to point 32 bit processor stuff to LTS
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[20:23] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is this a bug? i booted my iso into a english (uk) keyboard layout
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: I think it is, US needs to be the default.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: If it isn't that way in the Beta, please go raise hell :)
[20:25] <wxl> how the smurf did that change????
[20:25] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI685228adfcb3: Change to using management jobs.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI685228adfcb3
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[20:35] <teward> wxl: let's blame Simon
[20:36] <teward> :P
[20:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa53ee2c3da66: Add notifications advanced tab view] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa53ee2c3da66
[20:36] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm serious about flailing your arms around and shouting "IT'S BROKEN!"
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[20:37] <tsimonq2> Because that boy ain't right.
[20:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI84cb5542c535: Add a missing underscore.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI84cb5542c535
[20:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI84cb5542c535: Add a missing underscore.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI84cb5542c535
[20:40] <wxl> i'm grabbing the beta @tsimonq2 
[20:40] <tsimonq2> ack
[20:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI33be3109fdef: Add another missing underscore.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI33be3109fdef
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[20:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI066fe8be0894: Add the merger to the mgmt view.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI066fe8be0894
[20:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI4359bd14a583: Make sure all of the merger job have the merger management job as its upstream.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI4359bd14a583
[20:54] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-meta [source] (disco-proposed) [19.04.1]
[21:07] <wxl> lubot broke again?
[21:08] <teward> how ado we know that lubot is never *not* broken? :P
[21:17] <tsimonq2> Fixed.
[21:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: beta is us
[21:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: Please ping Adam ASAP.
[21:18] <tsimonq2> That's a regression.
[21:19] <wxl> did we ever announce the beta btw?
[21:19] <tsimonq2> oops XD
[21:19]  * wxl facealms
[21:19] <wxl> NOT IT
[21:19] <tsimonq2> nah
[21:19] <tsimonq2> Too little, too late.
[21:19] <tsimonq2> ttfn
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ping Adam though.
[21:20] <tsimonq2> Please please please.
[21:20] <wxl> yeah and our last change to lxqt-config was after beta
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: see PM
[21:20] <tsimonq2> bai
[21:25] <wxl> is anyone else around.. especially someone not in the us and/or not english.. that can confirm that the default keyboard layout in beta is english (us) but 20190413.1 is english (uk)
[21:25] <wxl> ?
[21:26] <kc2bez> I'm here but I would struggle with any other language and I am in the US.
[21:26] <kc2bez> Sorry.
[21:27] <wxl> well if you could just take a look anyways, that would be great
[21:27] <kc2bez> sure.
[21:31] <kc2bez> wxl in the live?
[21:31] <wxl> yeah
[21:32] <kc2bez> Says English US
[21:32] <wxl> in beta?
[21:32] <kc2bez> I can try another language, I might be able to fake spanish
[21:32] <kc2bez> 20190413.1
[21:33] <wxl> ???
[21:33] <wxl> wth
[21:33] <kc2bez> Sorry I missed most of the chat today, I was at work. What is the TL;DR ?
[21:34] <wxl> and now i get the same result wtf
[21:34] <wxl> uh not much
[21:35] <kc2bez> Well, I can tell y'all been busy from the quantity.
[21:35] <wxl> i'm working on known bugs
[21:35] <wxl> for the release notes
[21:35] <wxl> so testing old stuff
[21:36] <kc2bez> Gotcha.
[21:36] <kc2bez> You want me to try this live iso again?
[21:37] <wxl> naw
[21:37] <wxl> i just confirmed it
[21:38] <wxl> so i don't know
[21:45] <wxl> kc2bez: you have some real hardware laying around?
[21:51] <kc2bez> I do.
[21:51] <kc2bez> I have an Acer laptop, I can do some testing on.
[21:52] <wxl> i might throw some things your way
[21:53] <kc2bez> Feel free, happy to help.
[22:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4dbdfadf89cd: Add reset button on power management] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4dbdfadf89cd
[22:25] <wxl> kc2bez: you got cosmic laying around? if so, do you get tooltips for the toolbar icons in libreoffice-calc?
[22:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7cc9abe9ad37: Add current line highlighting to featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7cc9abe9ad37
 Unless something has changed recently I can answer that as a no. I have 2 cosmic installs and they both do the same thing. They just flash at you.
 wxl I can fire up my Dell laptop and check it again.
[22:29] <wxl> oh curious!
[22:31] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Disco Final] (20190413.2) has been added
 @kc2bez [Unless something has changed recently I can answer that as a no. I have 2 cosmic …], Oh geez, I happily stand corrected. I am glad I checked. Not sure when that fix came down but it seems to be resolved.
[22:35] <wxl> @kc2bez: what version?
 6.1.5.2
[22:36] <wxl> want to get out simplescreenrecorder and make a little video showing as such and apply to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1813209 ?
 Yeah sure. I can give it a go.
[22:39] <wxl> and weird in a vm it didn't show me ANY tooltips at first rather than being flashy
[22:40] <wxl> for my own sanity, could you also just spot check the live daily?
 @wxl [<wxl> is anyone else around.. especially someone not in the us and/or not englis …], I can do that. If you still need to check.
[22:42] <wxl> naw all fixed
[22:42] <wxl> but you can boot up the brand new daily that just came down and check if ubuntu-report is in there
[22:42] <wxl> hm i probably could just look at the manifest
[22:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbf6aad09e12d: Add Featherpad 2 tabs with same file] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbf6aad09e12d
 @wxl [<wxl> but you can boot up the brand new daily that just came down and check if u …], Downloading
[22:43] <wxl> it's not in the manifest so that's a good sign
 I have a few questions. About iso generation. First. Can anyone explain how isos are generated from the source?
[22:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#820
[22:47] <wxl> that's all ubuntu's infrastructure.. tbh i'm not sure. you could probably dig up the code somewhere
[22:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#821
[22:51] <wxl> this one might be worth checking on real hardware https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-config/+bug/1801421
[22:51] <wxl> ugh unattended upgrades!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[22:57] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal/issues/491#issuecomment-429559358
[22:57]  * wxl facepalms ^
 wxl: Bug #1813209 has been updated.
 Want me to take a look at T30?
[23:02] <wxl> i'd urge you to look at higher priority things first
 I am interested in T49 but I have compre and assignments coming up so looking at easy tasks.
 also those which are not urgent. I have public speaking exam this week.
 tell me if there is such task in higher priority. Can work on it now.
[23:05] <wxl> weren't you working on T21?
 @wxl [<wxl> ugh unattended upgrades!!!!!!!!!!!!11], You only get those when you want to do something with apt. XD
 @wxl [<wxl> weren't you working on T21?], Do we have the ee branch ready? waiting for that.
[23:06] <wxl> ^ THAT
[23:07] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker right. good point. so yeah work on GRUB XD
[23:07] <wxl> or simply just make sure to go test the iso (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com) and beat it hard and look and report any bugs you find
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker right. good point. so yeah work on GRUB XD], Should i look up on gnomethemes.org?
 sorry its gnome-look
 @wxl [<wxl> or simply just make sure to go test the iso (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com) and …], I will have to read docs of qa first. will take time but I will add it in todo.
[23:12] <wxl> i'm not sure... we just want it to look pretty. boot on EFI and you'll see
 wxl is there a way we could create create our own grub theme? Like customised, with lubuntu logo  in background and all?
[23:14] <wxl> that's the idea
 also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name 'ubuntu' The  nvram entry as  well as the entry on grub screen has name ubuntu. Shouldn't it be lubuntu? Elementary os has it's own name afaik.
 @wxl [<wxl> that's the idea], will look  it up.
[23:22] <kc2bez> wxl: bug 1801421 seems like expected behavior in my mind. The resolution is changing from SDDM to the actual session. For me it is brief but I do notice it. I also notice it when I hit apply and I change the resolution. It may vary based on graphics cards/drivers too.
[23:24] <wxl> kc2bez: the way i interpret it is that it remains black
[23:25] <kc2bez> Ah, I see. It changes briefly for me but doesn't remain black.
[23:26] <wxl> well thanks
[23:27] <kc2bez> If you had a slow blink you could miss it. 
 @The_LoudSpeaker [also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name …], —bootloader-id=Lubuntu in grub-install should do the job I guess
 @The_LoudSpeaker [also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name …], what say wxl? @kc2bez @HMollerCl @tsimonq2 ? add a low priority task?
[23:33] <wxl> can't see your quote @The_LoudSpeaker
[23:33] <wxl> @kc2bez: can you confirm this on real hardware?
[23:33] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qterminal/+bug/1795998
 wxl : here: … also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name 'ubuntu' The  nvram entry as  well as the entry on grub screen has name ubuntu. Shouldn't it be lubuntu? Elementary os has it's own name afaik.
[23:34] <wxl> well if you `lsb_release` you see ubuntu, too. it's because lubuntu (like all the ubuntu flavors) are ubuntu. it may be confusing but it's meant to be that way
 —bootloader-id=Lubuntu in grub-install should do the job I guess
 @wxl [<wxl> well if you `lsb_release` you see ubuntu, too. it's because lubuntu (like …], But i don't think there would be any problems if we hade Lubuntu. would there be?
[23:35] <tsimonq2> It doesn't work with secureboot, last time I checked.
[23:35] <tsimonq2> If you can make that work, EFI with and without secureboot, I'm in.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> It doesn't work with secureboot, last time I checked.], You mean to say secure boot needs the nvram entry to be named as 'ubuntu' ?
[23:36] <tsimonq2> Yes.
 No. it works without that.
 My work laptop's uefi is a bit fucked up doesn't allows to change nvram entries so I have to manually add entries using uefi-shell. I always add entries with name of distro and it works with secure boot.
[23:38] <wxl> language, please
 Even now I have the nvram entry as 'Lubuntu' but the grub screen has option named ubuntu at the top.
 @wxl [<wxl> language, please], Yeah. sorry.
[23:39] <kc2bez> wxl: re bug 1795998 I did but I will do it again with a proper comment
[23:39] <wxl> thx kc2bez 
 @tsimonq2 here see the nvram entry ^
 And here is the grub screen
 Wxl you can see the images?
[23:43] <wxl> no
[23:43] <wxl> @tsimonq2 needs to fix lubot
[23:44] <wxl> here's a fun artwork thing to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1787734
 I guess those on tg can see. @tsimonq2 @HMollerCl @kc2bez what say?
[23:47] <lynorian> @The_Loudspeaker I can't see in irc but can in telegram
 Standby, I am updating this bug first.
 @lynorian [<lynorian> @The_Loudspeaker I can't see in irc but can in telegram], so what do you think?
[23:49] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/2/2.3/2.3.1/lximage.html has an upload function that I put in the manual here as clicking the link works
 @wxl [<wxl> but you can boot up the brand new daily that just came down and check if u …], Checked. Not there.
[23:53] <wxl> thx
[23:58] <kc2bez> wxl: @The_Loudspeaker 's first picture for his NVRAM https://share.riseup.net/#nQrVdhDRSHPiBfv1IyRIcg
[23:59] <kc2bez> GRUB screen picture https://share.riseup.net/#L5fhlhjC78UuFpFYVKp9yw
[23:59] <wxl> thx