OvenWerkswho reads wikis though ;)18:34
EickmeyerThey already said they were looking into it. :D18:35
EickmeyerJust made a new factoid for !cadence, Waiting on hggdh to add it.18:56
EickmeyerIf he does.18:56
EickmeyerM_aD: Welcome!19:12
M_aDthanks :)19:13
Eickmeyer!cadence | OvenWerks 19:22
ubottuOvenWerks: Cadence is an application for managing Jack in KXStudio and its repositories. Due to the nature of its intrusive configuration, it causes compatibility issues with Ubuntu's audio configuration, particularly !ubuntustudio-controls. For this reason, adding the KXStudio repos to any Ubuntu install is highly discouraged.19:22
EickmeyerOvenWerks: How do you feel about changing the version numbers for our ubuntustudio-* packages to match with the current release? Like, controls 1.8 would become 19.10, etc.?20:11
OvenWerksEickmeyer: what do you do if you have a bugfix inbetween? maybe more than one?20:16
EickmeyerOvenWerks: That's easy. 19.10.x20:19
EickmeyerSo, you'd really start with 19.10.0 and work up from there.20:19
EickmeyerI have been seeing other flavors do the same with their versioning, and it seems to make sense.20:20
OvenWerksSo after 1904 releases, the next release is 19.10?20:25
ubottuUbuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle20:28
EickmeyerI know you knew that, but that's the ! command.20:28
OvenWerksSo long as it doesn't cause trouble with the PTB I don't really care. It does take away some of the sense of how old the package is20:29
EickmeyerIsn't that what changelogs are for?20:29
OvenWerksAnyway, I am not worried one way or the other... setting the version is the uploaders job ;)20:31
EickmeyerYeah, that's true. :)20:32
OvenWerksIt would be easier to remember what feature was added when too.20:33
EickmeyerThat's generally my motivation. Makes support easier.20:33
OvenWerksA problem I can see is that the 19.* would appear twice in the package file name20:34
OvenWerksWould a user think "oh I acn't use 19.10 in my 18.04 install because it won't work"20:35
Eickmeyer!info ubuntustudio-default-settings20:35
ubottuubuntustudio-default-settings (source: ubuntustudio-default-settings): default settings for the Ubuntu Studio desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.65 (disco), package size 39 kB, installed size 219 kB20:35
EickmeyerAre you referring to backports?20:36
EickmeyerI shouldn't think so. Version numbers are pretty arbitrary.20:37
Eickmeyer^ That only applies to Autobuilds.20:37
OvenWerks(for -controls)20:37
EickmeyerOh, I guess it would apply to backports too.20:37
OvenWerksStill if other people are doing it, that should be ok.20:38
EickmeyerWell, then the version number would be (for Bionic backports) 19.10.0~ubuntu18.04.120:38
OvenWerksThe user needs to think of upgrading to the 19.10 version that is ok too.20:39
Eickmeyer ^Version          ^ What it's built against20:39
EickmeyerSo, the important thing to match is the last number.20:40
EickmeyerAlso, look at KDE Apps. The version number is 18.12 landing in 19.04.20:40
Eickmeyer(Not plasma, but the apps)20:40
OvenWerksI would suggest yy.mm.sub20:41
OvenWerksso the mm may not match with a cycle release20:41
OvenWerkssub release20:41
EickmeyerOh, yes. That's why I said 19.10.x20:42
EickmeyerThat way, if there are any bugfixes after upload, they can be the .x number.20:42
OvenWerksAnyway, Like I said, whatever the UL decides to do is fine by me.20:42
EickmeyerI might run it past Ross and see what he thinks.20:44
OvenWerksQuestion: after 19.04 is released, 19.10 gets released... say in about 19.06. Then more work is done and they are also ready to release before 19.10 what is that called?20:45
OvenWerksor do they remain beta till cycle beta2 is past and then jump to 20.04 for new features?20:46
EickmeyerIt would be 19.06, but that doesn't fit the release schedule.20:46
EickmeyerBeta 2 isn't a thing anymore...20:46
OvenWerksTill FF then20:47
EickmeyerOkay. So, the only way a 19.06 would happen is if 19.04 got delayed until June.20:48
EickmeyerReleases are never early for Ubuntu.20:48
EickmeyerSo, if 19.10 wasn't released until 20.04... I don't konw.20:48
OvenWerksI thik I am not being clear20:49
EickmeyerI think the TB would be making that call.20:49
EickmeyerYeah, I'm confused.20:49
OvenWerks I am saying that rather than releasing a package inbetween cycles it may be best to keep them unreleased until FF20:50
EickmeyerOvenWerks: I completely agree with that.20:50
OvenWerksSo they are available in autobuilds before that.20:51
EickmeyerThe yy.mm is the target, not necessarily when it's actually released (for packages, not for Ubuntu itself).20:51
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Yes.20:51
OvenWerksI think that should work fine.20:51
EickmeyerThe only reason we released anything into Backports early was because it was work-in-progress.20:52
EickmeyerI consider our backports to be stable at the moment, in terms of changes.20:52
OvenWerksThings have been a bit odd because installer and controls are almost like new apps and give a huge jump in feature20:52
EickmeyerRight. 20:53
OvenWerksThings will prob slow down now20:53
EickmeyerWe did two years' worth of updates and consolidated it into one.20:53
EickmeyerI think if we did the metapackage parsing you were talking about for -installer, that would be good for 19.10 so we can squash bugs for 20.04.20:54
EickmeyerAnd any improvements to -controls.20:54
EickmeyerI'll work on theming bugs and plugin packaging.20:55
EickmeyerPerhaps another wallpaper contest for 19.10 for wallpapers to land in 19.10 and 20.04.20:56
* Eickmeyer might even bug eylul- for a fancy new 20.04 wallpaper :)20:56
M_aDHonestly, i think it's time to get rid of that dark default wallpaper :)21:17
OvenWerksWhile backdrops are one of the first things I change when I install, Dark and relatively non-busy are what many artists prefer.21:19
OvenWerksThe other thing to remember, is that we want a business to feel comfortable leaving the backdrop as is in their studio if it is music of a portrait shop21:20
OvenWerksIn the end, it does depend on what various artists come up with21:37
EickmeyerM_aD: Have you seen the new default wallpaper for 19.04?22:03
M_aDthis one? http://ubuntustudio.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1fe8/ubuntustudio_disco_dingo_1080.jpg22:07
EickmeyerM_aD: Yep. Except it's in 4k from the repo.22:11
EickmeyerOvenWerks, M_aD, sakrecoer: If any of you (or anyone reading this) are around, we have pre-RC images.22:33
EickmeyerImages at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/20190413.1/22:33
EickmeyerI'll be shooting an email to the -devel list.22:34
* OvenWerks is DL the image. but doesn't know when he will be able to try it.23:56

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!