[18:34] who reads wikis though ;) [18:35] Haha! [18:35] They already said they were looking into it. :D [18:56] Just made a new factoid for !cadence, Waiting on hggdh to add it. [18:56] If he does. [19:12] M_aD: Welcome! [19:13] thanks :) [19:22] !cadence | OvenWerks [19:22] OvenWerks: Cadence is an application for managing Jack in KXStudio and its repositories. Due to the nature of its intrusive configuration, it causes compatibility issues with Ubuntu's audio configuration, particularly !ubuntustudio-controls. For this reason, adding the KXStudio repos to any Ubuntu install is highly discouraged. [20:11] OvenWerks: How do you feel about changing the version numbers for our ubuntustudio-* packages to match with the current release? Like, controls 1.8 would become 19.10, etc.? [20:16] Eickmeyer: what do you do if you have a bugfix inbetween? maybe more than one? [20:19] OvenWerks: That's easy. 19.10.x [20:19] So, you'd really start with 19.10.0 and work up from there. [20:20] I have been seeing other flavors do the same with their versioning, and it seems to make sense. [20:25] So after 1904 releases, the next release is 19.10? [20:27] Yes. [20:28] !yymm [20:28] !yy.mm [20:28] Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle [20:28] I know you knew that, but that's the ! command. [20:29] So long as it doesn't cause trouble with the PTB I don't really care. It does take away some of the sense of how old the package is [20:29] Isn't that what changelogs are for? [20:31] Anyway, I am not worried one way or the other... setting the version is the uploaders job ;) [20:32] Yeah, that's true. :) [20:33] It would be easier to remember what feature was added when too. [20:33] That's generally my motivation. Makes support easier. [20:34] A problem I can see is that the 19.* would appear twice in the package file name [20:35] Would a user think "oh I acn't use 19.10 in my 18.04 install because it won't work" [20:35] !info ubuntustudio-default-settings [20:35] ubuntustudio-default-settings (source: ubuntustudio-default-settings): default settings for the Ubuntu Studio desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.65 (disco), package size 39 kB, installed size 219 kB [20:36] Are you referring to backports? [20:36] yes [20:37] I shouldn't think so. Version numbers are pretty arbitrary. [20:37] 1.7~ubuntu18.10.1 [20:37] ^ That only applies to Autobuilds. [20:37] (for -controls) [20:37] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports [20:37] Oh, I guess it would apply to backports too. [20:38] Still if other people are doing it, that should be ok. [20:38] Well, then the version number would be (for Bionic backports) 19.10.0~ubuntu18.04.1 [20:38] Yeah. [20:39] The user needs to think of upgrading to the 19.10 version that is ok too. [20:39] 19.10.0~ubuntu18.04.1 [20:39] ^Version ^ What it's built against [20:40] So, the important thing to match is the last number. [20:40] Also, look at KDE Apps. The version number is 18.12 landing in 19.04. [20:40] (Not plasma, but the apps) [20:41] I would suggest yy.mm.sub [20:41] so the mm may not match with a cycle release [20:41] .sub? [20:41] sub release [20:42] Oh, yes. That's why I said 19.10.x [20:42] That way, if there are any bugfixes after upload, they can be the .x number. [20:42] Anyway, Like I said, whatever the UL decides to do is fine by me. [20:43] Ok [20:44] I might run it past Ross and see what he thinks. [20:45] Question: after 19.04 is released, 19.10 gets released... say in about 19.06. Then more work is done and they are also ready to release before 19.10 what is that called? [20:46] or do they remain beta till cycle beta2 is past and then jump to 20.04 for new features? [20:46] It would be 19.06, but that doesn't fit the release schedule. [20:46] Beta 2 isn't a thing anymore... [20:47] Till FF then [20:48] Okay. So, the only way a 19.06 would happen is if 19.04 got delayed until June. [20:48] Releases are never early for Ubuntu. [20:48] So, if 19.10 wasn't released until 20.04... I don't konw. [20:49] I thik I am not being clear [20:49] I think the TB would be making that call. [20:49] Yeah, I'm confused. [20:50] I am saying that rather than releasing a package inbetween cycles it may be best to keep them unreleased until FF [20:50] OvenWerks: I completely agree with that. [20:51] So they are available in autobuilds before that. [20:51] The yy.mm is the target, not necessarily when it's actually released (for packages, not for Ubuntu itself). [20:51] OvenWerks: Yes. [20:51] I think that should work fine. [20:52] The only reason we released anything into Backports early was because it was work-in-progress. [20:52] Cool. [20:52] I consider our backports to be stable at the moment, in terms of changes. [20:52] Things have been a bit odd because installer and controls are almost like new apps and give a huge jump in feature [20:53] Right. [20:53] Things will prob slow down now [20:53] We did two years' worth of updates and consolidated it into one. [20:54] I think if we did the metapackage parsing you were talking about for -installer, that would be good for 19.10 so we can squash bugs for 20.04. [20:54] And any improvements to -controls. [20:55] I'll work on theming bugs and plugin packaging. [20:56] Perhaps another wallpaper contest for 19.10 for wallpapers to land in 19.10 and 20.04. [20:56] * Eickmeyer might even bug eylul- for a fancy new 20.04 wallpaper :) [21:17] Honestly, i think it's time to get rid of that dark default wallpaper :) [21:19] While backdrops are one of the first things I change when I install, Dark and relatively non-busy are what many artists prefer. [21:20] The other thing to remember, is that we want a business to feel comfortable leaving the backdrop as is in their studio if it is music of a portrait shop [21:37] In the end, it does depend on what various artists come up with [22:03] M_aD: Have you seen the new default wallpaper for 19.04? [22:07] this one? http://ubuntustudio.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1fe8/ubuntustudio_disco_dingo_1080.jpg [22:11] M_aD: Yep. Except it's in 4k from the repo. [22:33] OvenWerks, M_aD, sakrecoer: If any of you (or anyone reading this) are around, we have pre-RC images. [22:33] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/disco-disco-19-04-release-candidate-testing/10570 [22:33] Images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/20190413.1/ [22:34] I'll be shooting an email to the -devel list. [23:56] * OvenWerks is DL the image. but doesn't know when he will be able to try it.