[18:34] <OvenWerks> who reads wikis though ;)
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> Haha!
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> They already said they were looking into it. :D
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> Just made a new factoid for !cadence, Waiting on hggdh to add it.
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> If he does.
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Welcome!
[19:13] <M_aD> thanks :)
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> !cadence | OvenWerks 
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: How do you feel about changing the version numbers for our ubuntustudio-* packages to match with the current release? Like, controls 1.8 would become 19.10, etc.?
[20:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: what do you do if you have a bugfix inbetween? maybe more than one?
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's easy. 19.10.x
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> So, you'd really start with 19.10.0 and work up from there.
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> I have been seeing other flavors do the same with their versioning, and it seems to make sense.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> So after 1904 releases, the next release is 19.10?
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> !yymm
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> I know you knew that, but that's the ! command.
[20:29] <OvenWerks> So long as it doesn't cause trouble with the PTB I don't really care. It does take away some of the sense of how old the package is
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> Isn't that what changelogs are for?
[20:31] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am not worried one way or the other... setting the version is the uploaders job ;)
[20:32] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's true. :)
[20:33] <OvenWerks> It would be easier to remember what feature was added when too.
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> That's generally my motivation. Makes support easier.
[20:34] <OvenWerks> A problem I can see is that the 19.* would appear twice in the package file name
[20:35] <OvenWerks> Would a user think "oh I acn't use 19.10 in my 18.04 install because it won't work"
[20:35] <Eickmeyer> !info ubuntustudio-default-settings
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> Are you referring to backports?
[20:36] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> I shouldn't think so. Version numbers are pretty arbitrary.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> 1.7~ubuntu18.10.1
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> ^ That only applies to Autobuilds.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> (for -controls)
[20:37] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I guess it would apply to backports too.
[20:38] <OvenWerks> Still if other people are doing it, that should be ok.
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> Well, then the version number would be (for Bionic backports) 19.10.0~ubuntu18.04.1
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[20:39] <OvenWerks> The user needs to think of upgrading to the 19.10 version that is ok too.
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> 19.10.0~ubuntu18.04.1
[20:39] <Eickmeyer>  ^Version          ^ What it's built against
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> So, the important thing to match is the last number.
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> Also, look at KDE Apps. The version number is 18.12 landing in 19.04.
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> (Not plasma, but the apps)
[20:41] <OvenWerks> I would suggest yy.mm.sub
[20:41] <OvenWerks> so the mm may not match with a cycle release
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> .sub?
[20:41] <OvenWerks> sub release
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> Oh, yes. That's why I said 19.10.x
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> That way, if there are any bugfixes after upload, they can be the .x number.
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Anyway, Like I said, whatever the UL decides to do is fine by me.
[20:43] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> I might run it past Ross and see what he thinks.
[20:45] <OvenWerks> Question: after 19.04 is released, 19.10 gets released... say in about 19.06. Then more work is done and they are also ready to release before 19.10 what is that called?
[20:46] <OvenWerks> or do they remain beta till cycle beta2 is past and then jump to 20.04 for new features?
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> It would be 19.06, but that doesn't fit the release schedule.
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> Beta 2 isn't a thing anymore...
[20:47] <OvenWerks> Till FF then
[20:48] <Eickmeyer> Okay. So, the only way a 19.06 would happen is if 19.04 got delayed until June.
[20:48] <Eickmeyer> Releases are never early for Ubuntu.
[20:48] <Eickmeyer> So, if 19.10 wasn't released until 20.04... I don't konw.
[20:49] <OvenWerks> I thik I am not being clear
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> I think the TB would be making that call.
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I'm confused.
[20:50] <OvenWerks>  I am saying that rather than releasing a package inbetween cycles it may be best to keep them unreleased until FF
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I completely agree with that.
[20:51] <OvenWerks> So they are available in autobuilds before that.
[20:51] <Eickmeyer> The yy.mm is the target, not necessarily when it's actually released (for packages, not for Ubuntu itself).
[20:51] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes.
[20:51] <OvenWerks> I think that should work fine.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> The only reason we released anything into Backports early was because it was work-in-progress.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> I consider our backports to be stable at the moment, in terms of changes.
[20:52] <OvenWerks> Things have been a bit odd because installer and controls are almost like new apps and give a huge jump in feature
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> Right. 
[20:53] <OvenWerks> Things will prob slow down now
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> We did two years' worth of updates and consolidated it into one.
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> I think if we did the metapackage parsing you were talking about for -installer, that would be good for 19.10 so we can squash bugs for 20.04.
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> And any improvements to -controls.
[20:55] <Eickmeyer> I'll work on theming bugs and plugin packaging.
[20:56] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps another wallpaper contest for 19.10 for wallpapers to land in 19.10 and 20.04.
[20:56]  * Eickmeyer might even bug eylul- for a fancy new 20.04 wallpaper :)
[21:17] <M_aD> Honestly, i think it's time to get rid of that dark default wallpaper :)
[21:19] <OvenWerks> While backdrops are one of the first things I change when I install, Dark and relatively non-busy are what many artists prefer.
[21:20] <OvenWerks> The other thing to remember, is that we want a business to feel comfortable leaving the backdrop as is in their studio if it is music of a portrait shop
[21:37] <OvenWerks> In the end, it does depend on what various artists come up with
[22:03] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Have you seen the new default wallpaper for 19.04?
[22:07] <M_aD> this one? http://ubuntustudio.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1fe8/ubuntustudio_disco_dingo_1080.jpg
[22:11] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Yep. Except it's in 4k from the repo.
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, M_aD, sakrecoer: If any of you (or anyone reading this) are around, we have pre-RC images.
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/disco-disco-19-04-release-candidate-testing/10570
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> Images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/20190413.1/
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> I'll be shooting an email to the -devel list.
[23:56]  * OvenWerks is DL the image. but doesn't know when he will be able to try it.