[00:08] <wxl> thanks dan
[00:18] <kc2bez> You bet.
[00:31] <wxl> kc2bez: ok you got bionic?
[00:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe0722a407a9f: Add new featherpad screenshot now with syntax highlighting] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe0722a407a9f
[00:32] <kc2bez> Not presently wxl but I can.
[00:33] <wxl> kc2bez: looking to see if this is still relevant https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1776748
[00:33] <kc2bez> I will download and get back to you.
[03:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
 @wxl [<wxl> kc2bez: looking to see if this is still relevant https://bugs.launchpad.ne …], It is still relevant. I updated the bug.
[04:06] <wxl> thanks again!
 Absolutely! Anytime.
 @kc2bez about having "Lubuntu" in grub and in nvram?
[04:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it might be too late for this but it seems like you never fixed this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1776748
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@kc2bez about having "Lubuntu" in grub and in nvram?], Yes?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [wxl : here: … also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is create …], .
 @kc2bez ^
 What do you think? Should we have it as "Lubuntu" or "ubuntu" as you can see in 2nd image I sent?
 As long as Lubuntu doesn't cause any issues I think it is a good idea. We should append it with the appropriate version (i.e. 19.10, 20.04, etc)
 I would leave it as just the name.
 @kc2bez [As long as Lubuntu doesn't cause any issues I think it is a good idea. We should …], Yup! I guess it won't cause any issues. Elementary OS and Kali Linux give their own names. No issues there.
 @EgenhoferJ [I would leave it as just the name.], Any particular reasons for that?
 I defer to wxl or @tsimonq2  of course.
 Keep it simple.
 Changing it from ubuntu to lubuntu makes sense for contiunity. But adding the version number just seems a bit much for me.
 Could also be confusing in an odd event the name doesn't get updated as the system gets updated.
 @EgenhoferJ [Keep it simple.], We just have to add "--bootloader-id=Lubuntu" to a command which is already there.! I don't think it's that much. And yeah, I also think only Lubuntu is enough
 Wxl and @tsimonq2  any thoughts on this?
 @EgenhoferJ [Could also be confusing in an odd event the name doesn't get updated as the syst …], If we are adding version numbers then when pushing updates we might have to push an extra line to update the number also. It will be some grub config command. Can be done but extra work for us.
[04:34] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker get on irc and ask at #ubuntu-release and see if they have any thought son it
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker get on irc and ask at #ubuntu-release and see if they hav …], Okay.
[05:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
[06:14] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you need to fix your erroneous spelling https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS7f15b709fadc0500f048d597f63f3406233c556e </troll> XD
[07:30] <wxl> can someone with real hardware take a look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-panel/+bug/1812826
[08:14] <lynorian> wxl that is quite an odd bug?
[08:14] <lynorian> I don't get this on my desktop but on my laptop I do
[08:15] <lynorian> well my desktop I had already customized my colors
[08:17] <lynorian> wait I didn't actually change on my desktop
[08:19] <lynorian> It does now I think
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker get on irc and ask at #ubuntu-release and see if they hav …], I did post there. There was no reply untill an hour ago, then I got disconnected from IRC. wxl can you tag the relevant members there and ask again?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yup! I guess it won't cause any issues. Elementary OS and Kali Linux give their …], Obviously Kali and Elementary have another names, because they are independent distros and don't have the right to use a registered trademark
 Lubuntu is a recognised flavour of Ubuntu. I guess about 70% of the operating system is maintained by Canonical/Ubuntu, so it is a bad idea to substitute the name "ubuntu" with "lubuntu"
 And `--bootloader-id` works only on UEFI systems, so this is the wrong way to go. And what happens, when Grub is reinstalled by an update? Will there be two bootloaders on the ESP? One in "ubuntu" and the other in "lubuntu"?
 @aptghetto [Obviously Kali and Elementary have another names, because they are independent d …], Elementary is based on ubuntu afaik. It has ubuntu repos in sources.list alongside it's own repos.
 ^ not an official flavor
 Elementary is not a recognised flavour, so it cannot use the name of Ubuntu
 Changing the registered trademark "ubuntu" may be in conflict with https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
 @aptghetto [And --bootloader-id works only on UEFI systems, so this is the wrong way to go. …], It is for nvram entry. Should work on both systems i guess. That can be figured or configured according to type of install.  … About update of grub. It will change the entry to ubuntu not create new one i guess.
 @aptghetto [Elementary is not a recognised flavour, so it cannot use the name of Ubuntu], It has ubuntu repos in sources.list doesn't that conflict with anything?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [It is for nvram entry. Should work on both systems i guess. That can be figured …], I will test that --bootloader-id thing on a vm and get back to you.
 They deliver the packages from the repos, as they are. They don't change them
 And I am quite sure, they have an agreement with Canonical
 That's it then but what about Lubuntu? Can we use "Lubuntu" in nvram and grub memu entries ? I asked in #ubuntu-release in thr morning. No one replied.
 If you change your own installed os, it is not a problem
 @aptghetto [If you change your own installed os, it is not a problem], ? I am not sure I understand.
 If you redistribute a system and telling the system is called now Lubuntu instead of Ubuntu, this *could* be a problem. … But I am not a lawyer
 @aptghetto [If you redistribute a system and telling the system is called now Lubuntu instea …], For that only I asked in #ubuntu-release. Should I ask in #ubuntu-devel ?
 There is a contact form => https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/contact-us … But maybe just wait for wxl or tsimonq2, they know the big bosses better than I do
 Waiting since morning. Wxl @tsimonq2 respond please.
[17:51] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker why don't you make a task for that bootloader id thing and we can explore it further
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker why don't you make a task for that bootloader id thing an …], Sure. Will do it soon.
 *yawn* morning
 Time to find some coffee...
 ^ Party animal.
[18:22]  * wxl sips maté
 Lubuntu developer EXPOSED using MATE
[18:23] <wxl> i'm pretty sure ubuntu mate doesn't have the accent so apparently it's supposed to be your partner rather than the thing that wakes you up in the morning XD
[18:24] <teward> shh Simon is typing.  :P
 @kc2bez [^ Party animal.], I'm sore, a little hungover, and I think I dislocated my shoulder in a brawl last night. Otherwise I'm fine. >_>
[18:24] <wxl> a brawl? jeeez
 Last night was craazy
[18:25] <wxl> apparently my prom was a much more enjoyable experience than yours XD
 Didn't get home until 4 AM ;)
 Lubuntu developer EXPOSED violent
 @tsimonq2 [I'm sore, a little hungover, and I think I dislocated my shoulder in a brawl las …], That is how you know you did it right.
 haha :)
[18:25] <wxl> > that's how you know you did it right
[18:25] <wxl> when you're filming jackass
 lol
[18:26] <wxl> to be fair, that's not entirely true.. you have to have pain inflicted upon your genitals 
 Then we all need to point and laugh.
 @wxl [<wxl> to be fair, that's not entirely true.. you have to have pain inflicted upo …], That didn't happen
 @tsimonq2 [That didn't happen], that's what they all say
 until it shows up on the Internet.
[18:30] <wxl> totally
[18:30] <wxl> hungover is a sign you might not know
[18:30] <wxl> that'll give you something to think about. i'm going to go clean the house now XD
 I'm so happy the Internet didn't exist when I was Simon's age.
 Question about packaging, trying to follow Debians packaging guide after using the --exclude-vcs command to create a .tar.gz for Kvantum from their Github repo: I'm trying to use dh_make like the tutorial is doing but am getting the following message
 Isn't Kvantum in the archive already?
 Hmm didn't check to be totally honest. Just using it as an easy ex
 If it is then nevermind I'll look for another easy one to package
 $ mkdir Kvantum … $ cd Kvantum/ … :~/Kvantum $ git clone https://github.com/tsujan/Kvantum.git … :~/Kvantum $ mv Kvantum kvantum-0.11.0 … :~/Kvantum $ cd kvantum-0.11.0/ … :~/Kvantum/kvantum-0.11.0 $ git checkout V0.11.0 … :~/Kvantum/kvantum-0.11.0 $ cd .. … :~/Kvantum/ $ tar cvjf --exclude-vcs kvantum-0.11.0.tar.gz kvantum-0.11.0/ 
 You didn't quite follow the guide right, and the dh_make output is telling you some of what is wrong
 Biigest issue is that you are not running dh_make from withing the unpacked source folder, where the tar.gz you make is in the parent dir
 I also note that you packed a gziped tar with your command, but left off the .gz on the file
 Gotcha I'll have to look at what you did since they don't have anything for git checkout in this page:
 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html
[21:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3f6bf0257890: Add live session screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3f6bf0257890
[21:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0073122cd14b: Remove badly maintained extension from README.md] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0073122cd14b
 @SamuelBanya [Gotcha I'll have to look at what you did since they don't have anything for git …], You need not do that unless you want to/ I just checked out the latest release tag there to be pedantic.
 Cool I'll definitely repeat what you did to understand it. Super appreciate the feedback. I was just sitting there and was like well, I pretty much did what they did with just using kvantum instead of gentoo
 @SamuelBanya there is now task to package something, ssdmconfig-editor https://phab.lubuntu.me/T20
[22:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Package sddm-config-editor: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T20