The_LoudSpeakerHey! We at #lubuntu-devel were considering making changes to grub commands during installation of lubuntu so that the nvram entry and the menu entry of grub read "Lubuntu" instead of current "ubuntu". We wanted to know your thoughts on it. TIA04:46
flocculantinfinity: I'm not about much anymore - but still in Xubuntu Release team till the end of the week - just rebooted into new kernel and bug 182467705:30
ubot5`bug 1824677 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "Display only has 640x480" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182467705:30
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mparilloI am sure it has been discussed, but I like the idea of having flavour-specific grub menu items, for those of us who dual-boot two different flavours.12:05
infinitytjaalton: Care to poke at LP: #1824677?12:22
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1824677 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "Display only has 640x480" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182467712:22
infinitymparillo: How does update-grub decide which flavour you have installed when you have kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, and lubuntu-desktop all installed?12:23
infinitymparillo: Which is probably about as common as people who install them in side-by-side partitions.12:24
infinity(Which is to say, not very common in either case)12:24
tjaaltoninfinity: nouveau modeset is now disabled by default, I'll tell him how to enable it..12:30
mparilloFair enough. I always dual-booted rather than picking a desktop through SDDM, but as you say, neither is a common use case.12:31
mparilloI see in my current ISO testing lsb_release -a still says (development branch). I assume that gets removed just before the release is marked, correct?12:31
infinitymparillo: That will go away with Monday's builds.  But I want weekend testing so maybe we have some things to fix on Monday. :P12:32
infinitytjaalton: Being thrust back into 1992 suddenly is a bit jarring.  Is that how it's going to go for all nouveau users, or just some small subset of PCI IDs?12:33
tjaaltoninfinity: for everyone who haven't installed nvidia blob12:34
tjaaltonnouveau.modeset=1 re-enables it12:34
infinityThat... Suboptimal.12:34
infinityWhat was the motivation for that?12:34
tjaaltonbug 182182012:35
ubot5`bug 1821820 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Cannot boot or install - have to use nomodeset" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182182012:35
mparilloThanks infinity. So I will mark my test case as passed for now, expecting a Monday re-spin.12:35
infinitytjaalton: But that was an Intel bug..12:36
tjaaltonsomeone hijacked it12:36
tjaaltonthat bug is what I mentioned on the kernel channe..12:36
tjaaltonhttps://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/296411/ needed for some intel12:37
tjaaltonwith buggy panels12:37
tjaaltonI discussed the nouveau thing with upstream, and they said the firmware is buggy, and it frequently is12:38
infinity(someone hijacked what?)12:39
infinity1821820 is very much all i915 all the time.12:39
tjaaltonno it isn't, the original reporter has a hybrid machine and nouveau is messing it up12:40
tjaaltonand reported that the new kernel works12:40
infinitylspci disagrees with you.12:40
tjaaltonok, wrong bug12:41
tjaaltonhang on12:41
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1822026 in linux (Ubuntu Disco) "[Dell Precision 7530/5530 with Nvidia Quadro P1000] Live USB freezes or cannot complete install when nouveau driver is loaded (crashing in GP100 code)" [Undecided,Fix released]12:42
infinityAnyhow, I'm not super happy with a solution that forces everyone down to 640x480.  I don't know what per centage of our install base is nvidia, and what per centage of those use the free driver, but I assume it's a non trivial number of people.12:42
tjaaltonmaybe would be better to disable only on "new enough" hw12:45
tjaaltonwhich require buggy fw12:45
infinityMore problematic, for my inner hippie, is that I feel this is just going to force people to install the non-free driver when they don't need to, since there's no obvious way in the GUI to re-enable modeset.12:45
infinityPlus, for old GPUs, the non-free driver is a mess.12:46
infinityI mean, it's not great for new ones either, but at least it's maintained. :P12:46
infinityI wonder if we could fudge a nouveau modeset "driver" in ubuntu-drivers that just installs a modprobe.d snippet and warns about the potential dangers.12:49
infinitySo users have a choice in the driver panel between free (but maybe buggy) and non-free (but differently buggy).12:49
tjaaltonI'll think of how to make this a smaller gun12:53
tjaaltonand limit it to "fresh" hw12:53
flocculanttjaalton: ta :)15:41
tjaaltonflocculant: for what?16:00
tjaaltonflocculant: oh, got it16:06
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xnoxLaney, infinity, do we need more noawait triggers somewhere? Look for "cycle found while processing triggers"23:07

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