[00:12] <\dev\cache> rypervenche: its ubuntu os! [00:12] <\dev\cache> the only other thing non ubuntu would be digital ocean lmao [00:13] \dev\cache: what version of ubuntu? [00:14] <\dev\cache> leftyfb: 18.04 [00:14] \dev\cache: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-set-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/ # first result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 nameserver" [00:17] <\dev\cache> leftyfb: thats what ive tried, something about digital ocean causing presistance === eden is now known as Guest64677 [00:17] on the 19.04 beta... everything smooth, whatever updated last just flashing cursor unless I boot in safe mode (where I am now) what I can I try? [00:17] \dev\cache: then it's not an ubuntu issue as you were originally told [00:17] Guest64677: 19.04 is not yet released or supported. Try #ubuntu+1 [00:20] any way to generally check what just updated? That might help me figure out why. [00:20] Guest64677: 19.04 is not yet released or supported. Try #ubuntu+1 === E-Man is now known as BaldEagle [00:23] Hey was just posting on flashing cursor, apparently 5.0.0.8 kernal is stable for me and 5.0.0.11 not... interesting. [00:23] eden_: 19.04 is not yet released or supported. Try #ubuntu+1 [00:37] is there a version of Ubuntu for amazon firesticks? [00:38] donofrio: no [00:38] donofrio: nothing that is supported here anyway [00:45] <\dev\cache> question about ubuntu does the ufw block everything?? unless a rule allows it? [00:46] <\dev\cache> or do i need to add specific rules blocking all other ports etc? [00:47] \dev\cache: ufw is a front-end to manage iptables rules. By default, there are none running [00:47] <\dev\cache> so its not a default deny everything from outside? [00:47] <\dev\cache> when installed? [00:47] <\dev\cache> and enabled? [00:47] \dev\cache: no, it's not enabled by default [00:48] <\dev\cache> leftyfb: say i enable ufw post installation, and i forget to allow openssh/22 would it then be locked out? [00:48] \dev\cache: but, when enabled, the default is allow all outbound, block all inbound [00:48] <\dev\cache> ookay that clarifies things. [00:49] <\dev\cache> hggdh: is it wise to use the firewall to limit outbound connections too? [00:50] \dev\cache: it varies. most casual users do not need outbound blocking; on some (few) cases, I had to implement outbound blocking as well [00:50] <\dev\cache> hggdh: thank you. [00:51] <\dev\cache> hggdh: okay so i did sudo ufw default deny incoming and did rules enable [00:52] <\dev\cache> despite that i pinged my machine and my machine responded! [00:55] <\dev\cache> Okay ive learned my lesson best choice learn iptables directly === daniel is now known as Guest14340 [01:22] \dev\cache: Oh! I'm sorry. I misread "nameservers" somehow for something else. [01:24] I'm encountering "500 Internal Server Error" rather often on packages.ubuntu.com at the moment [01:25] chrstphrchvz: why do you need to access packages.ubuntu.com? [01:26] …why not? Currently browsing package versions and dependencies without an Ubuntu machine in front of me. [01:26] chrstphrchvz, could be undergoing maintenance. wait and try later. usually this error self-corrects === gms is now known as Guest97309 [01:42] Can I ask why the following command when now entered into a terminal yields nothing in return? "dmesg | grep -i pae" [01:47] popgreeny: The term 'pae" is not in dmesg - probably. [01:48] Bashing-om: In the history on my pc I just used the command a couple days ago. Tried same command on a separate pc. No luck. either as of now. [01:49] popgreeny: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? [01:49] popgreeny: What is it that you are trying to find out ? I also get no return from ^^ . [01:50] I'm of the understanding pae should only be mentioned in dmesg if you're forcing the use of PAE on a 32-bit CPU [01:50] popgreeny: grep pae /proc/cpuinfo [01:50] dmesg is a dynamic log that rotates [01:51] Bashing-om: I am trying to find out if pae is enabled. I was looking at this link ----> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE [01:51] popgreeny: grep pae /proc/cpuinfo [01:51] leftyfb: Thanks that did in fact report pae in 2 places . [01:52] popgreeny: 1 place, 2 cores/threads [01:52] leftyfb: Why previously did the command "dmesg | grep -i pae" work and report back output ? [01:53] -i pae would ignore pae output [01:53] popgreeny: see my previous message. dmesg is a dynamic log that rotates [01:53] popgreeny: dmesg doesn't work to pipe things from [01:53] oh [01:53] cfhowlett: incorrect [01:53] pragmaticenigma: yes, it does [01:53] :? did I misread grep? [01:53] cfhowlet the -i option for grep is case insensitive [01:54] doh! thanks guys. I'll go back to lurking. [01:54] pragmaticenigma: output from dmesg can be piped to things like grep just fine [01:56] Ahh [01:57] I think because during the boot where the command "dmesg | grep -i pae" did report output was because I booted with the "forcepae" flag. Would that make sense ? [01:58] popgreeny: Are you running a 32bit OS with more than 4G of memory? [01:58] Since then I have powercycled/rebooted and command "dmesg | grep -i pae" no longer yields any output. Either way thank you for your help [01:59] leftyfb: No 4 gib ddr2 my issue is "inxi -m" only reports 3.32 GiB in terminal . [01:59] popgreeny: 4G is the limit of 32bit, not 3.32 [01:59] that is how I started checking into this I have also completed a memory test with live usb and received no errors. [02:00] popgreeny: free -h # that will list your physical memory available beyond the kernel [02:00] leftyfb: In terminal or system monitor the pc reports 3.32 available memory. Yes I have 2 2GiB 667mhz sticks installed . [02:00] leftyfb: ok [02:00] popgreeny: Do you have integrated graphics? [02:00] popgreeny: if you're running a 64bit OS on 64bit hardware, PAE has no business being enabled. [02:01] leftyfb: I am typing on a 64 bit pc now. [02:01] leftyfb: let me go back to the 32 bit laptop. [02:02] ok [02:02] popgreeny: PAE is only necessary on 32bit systems to enable more than 4G of memory [02:02] leftyfb: hi it's popgreeny [02:02] popgreeny: Since you mentioned you are running on a laptop, it is likely that the laptop shares system RAM with the graphics chip. Integrated graphics chips reserve a portion of RAM for their own use instead of having it's own dedicated ram [02:03] panorain: ^ ^ [02:03] pragmaticenigma: Yes there is an intel video on this laptop [02:03] ok reading [02:03] hmm [02:04] is it ok to paste memory output here or better to create a Debian pastebin ? [02:04] panorain: multiline output should be pastebin'd [02:04] ok === the2048__ is now known as the2048 [02:06] Here is a Debian pastebin of the listed memory ----> https://paste.debian.net/1077518/ [02:06] Pastezone* [02:06] panorain look in your BIOS. There's usually info there on video memory allocation [02:07] leftyfb: Ok, also in my BIOS the BIOS is in fact showing 4 GiB's of installed memory . [02:08] panorain: right, check for info on video memory allocation [02:08] leftyfb: When I reboot again at some point I will have a fresh look at that . [02:08] leftyfb: Jotting that down and thank you [02:10] leftyfb: Someone has stated on the forums the following. ----> (The specs for that machine clearly indicate a large amount of RAM is reserved by the system) [02:11] Would that perhaps be referring to the video memory allocation? [02:11] panorain: it is very likely [02:12] Would it be beneficial at all right now to create another Debian pastezone entry with the output of "free -m". I'm feeling like a reboot is in order soon. [02:14] hmm well let me just post it then i'll reboot and check for video memory allocation. The laptop in a Compaq nc-6400 model similar in ways to a Thinkpad I believe. [02:15] https://paste.debian.net/1077519/ [02:15] I hope I am not asking to many questions this has been bothering me for a while I guess you could say. [02:18] panorain: What you're descibing is not abnormal. Laptops have shared their RAM with the graphics chipsets for a very long time. If the laptop wasn't sold with a "discrete graphics chipset" it is sharing system RAM [02:19] the fact that your tools are seeing 4GB of ram means the system is recognizing 4GB of RAM. [02:19] just as you have been reading, a portion of it is reserved for other functions [02:19] pragmaticenigma: When I purchased the laptop it initially had 2 Gib of memory and a while back I installed an additional 2 Gib DDR 2 667 mhz dimm. The laptop specs state that the 4 GiB is the maximum capacity. [02:21] panorain: That is because 32bit computers can only address 4GB worth of RAM. But that has nothing to do with system reservation of RAM for graphics [02:22] pragmaticenigma: Well thank you for the info I have been curious about this. What I am noticing is when flag "forcepae -- forcepae" was used I believe that the command "dmesg | grep -i pae" is in fact able to report pae forced but only for that cycle. [02:22] pragmaticenigma: So there is really no way for me to get around this with this particular laptop pc I suspect correct? [02:24] I also before looking into this more deeply did not know that 32bit computers are not able to accept more than 4 GiB of memory. [02:24] panorain: as mentioned earlier by leftyfb ... there is no reason to enable pae unless you're trying to operate a 32bit computer with more than 4GB of RAM. PAE enables the ability for the CPU to address more than the 4GB. [02:25] pragmaticenigma: I have an older Lenovo 64bit desktop and pae appears to be enabled so what in long story short is this bad? [02:25] panorain: Did you install 32 bit version of an OS on that machine? [02:26] pragmaticenigma: No a 64 bit OS is installed on the Lenovo 64bit Desktop. [02:26] Hello, I am trying to make a live bootable USB for intel stick, however the Bios is Secureboot only. Every attempt I make to make the USB just fails and I am thrown to the Bios's EFI shell. I have tried Linus Live USB Creator, Rufus (both in Hybrid and DD mode), via my current linux laptop using DD and Unetbootin, Any ideas? [02:26] I'm not sure why PAE would be enabled there [02:27] !efi | KernelP8901 [02:27] KernelP8901: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [02:27] hmm nice to know about "pae" allowing ability for cpu to address more than 4GiB of memory. [02:28] pragmaticenigma I have already follwed the guide. Secureboot and EFI boot are not available to be disabled [02:28] panorain: were you having a real issue or problem or just picking up some tips? [02:28] and when I try to boot via UEFI it throws me back to either the bios boot selection or EFI shell [02:28] pragmaticenigma: Are you saying that i386 based computers cannot accept more than 4 GiB of memory? What would happen say if I installed 2 , 4 GiB DDR2 667mhz Dimms in this i386 Compaq NC-6400 that does in fact state in user specs 4 Gib is max? refuse to boot? [02:29] tatertots: Tips I guess [02:29] panorain: oh okay...carry on [02:29] panorain: The machine would only see 4GB of ram... the rest would be unused [02:29] tatertots: I am now thinking that with my Lenovo 64 bit with 64 bit os and 5 GiB of onboard memory and pae showing as enabled is a performance issue or not really? [02:30] panorain: PAE enabled in a 64bit platform might be for backward compatibility with 32 bit applications. I'd have to read up to be certain [02:30] pragmaticenigma: Ahh I did not know that. What if I installed only 1 4gib ddr2 dimm in 1 of the 2 slots would the i386 show 4 GiB's or just 2 Gib's ? [02:31] pragmaticenigma: Cool ok. [02:31] Well you have been more than helpful. [02:31] I will not keep anyone else from there questions. [02:31] Thank You [02:31] KernelP8901: An Acer machine ? === semeion is now known as mnemonic [02:34] KernelP8901: have you EVER successfully boots Linux LiveUSB's on this computer at all? [02:35] tatertots yes I did, I managed to MX installed using Hybrid mode on Rufus but MX is not my tea so I wanted to go to Ubuntu. [02:35] Bashing-omNahh it's an intel stick that uses AMI bios from 2015 and can't be updated (stupid hardware vendor locked it down) [02:38] Bashing-om Closest match to it is this https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/86612/intel-compute-stick-stck1a32wfc.html [02:40] Likely uses 32bit efi on a 64bit cpu [02:40] The MX install I ran was 64bit so unless the distro did some magic for EFI boot then I am stumped xD [02:41] KernelP8901: What is MX? [02:41] KernelP8901: Atom processor - have you tried booting 19.04 beta ? [02:42] pragmaticenigma MX Linux (another distro), it's debian based and was the one I tried to use first and managed to install, however I am not a fan of it and trying to go to Ubuntu [02:42] Bashing-om not yet, any particular reason to try it? I have tried 18.04 and 18.10 [02:43] KernelP8901: perhaps try making your USB drive using Rufus in hybrid mode again but targetting an Ubuntu ISO? [02:43] I have, both 18.04 and 18.10 [02:43] pragmaticenigma^ [02:43] KernelP8901: My menory is hazy .. but seems I recall that kernel 5.0 has full support for the Atom processor. and 19.04 has the 5.0 kernel. [02:45] Hrm I'm happy to grab it is there a torrent or build mirror list I can find the ISO Bashing-om [02:45] KernelP8901: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ . [02:47] Thanks Bashing-om I'll give it a shot and come back if it's still being screwy on the installer. Thanks again :) [02:48] KernelP8901: All I can think of to try .. but as I say .. my memory is hazy about the Atom processor. Not a subject of my focus. [02:49] Bashing-om: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/disco-desktop-amd64.iso what's this [02:49] pre-releases, lives? [02:49] nullbyte_: The daily build for the forthcoming 19.04 release. [02:49] a ok [02:49] Bashing-om they are only 5 days [02:50] nullbyte_: The target is the 18th. === Dragonslicer is now known as Dragnslcr [03:05] есть русские [03:31] всем привет нужна помощь [03:32] !ru | dima_ [03:32] dima_: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [04:03] does ubuntu support 144hz displays? [04:36] having trouble with tablet rotation on 18.04.2. it works once after first logging in but wont display in portrait mode afterwards. [04:36] it can be reset by logging out and logging in again but that's broken UX === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius [04:40] leonardus: yes [04:41] hello, any one have lirc working ( serial port ) ? [05:13] fixed it. portrait mode works in X but not Wayland. === fling_ is now known as fling [05:53] I'm trying to unbind a device by echoing the device id to /sys/bus/pci/devices//driver/unbind, but when I do this the process hangs hard and I see a message in dmesg about "Tainted" [05:54] It looks like the driver (nvidia) is hanging, it hangs so hard that the system can't fully shut down without power cycling. [06:08] hi [08:01] hi [08:01] hi [08:01] How do I install stb_truetype package? [08:01] what is the best method to split a big apache log file about 2gb I cannot open it with editors because it is too big [08:01] you need to write a program [08:01] to split it [08:01] ok englosh do you have an idea? [08:02] dex1983: split into two halves? [08:02] 100MB files would be great :-) [08:02] I can try making a little program [08:02] yes please englosh [08:02] thanks [08:02] there should be a shell one liner [08:03] looking here...: https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/split-large-text-file-smaller-files-linux/ [08:04] split -b 200M httpd.log httpd-split.log [08:04] holy heck where is the nvidia driver installed [08:05] apt purge didn't remove it, it's still loading somewhere === Class7_ is now known as Class7 [08:08] oh great thanks I will try that [08:09] guys a questions, everytime i reboot the box i have to add the GW route manually otherwise it won't comes online === cyberbob_ is now known as cyberbob [08:18] great works thanks for help :-) [08:34] how do i find deb file location on the server having this sources.list description 'deb https://download.sublimetext.com/ apt/stable/' [08:34] obviously its not https://download.sublimetext.com/apt/stable/ [08:40] русские есть [08:42] !ru | dima_ [08:42] dima_: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. === M_A_Y_A_T is now known as m_A_y_A_t [08:46] Ok so I've: [08:47] Installed/uninstalled 340 (desired) and 390 (old) drivers with apt [08:47] I've installed and uninstalled both drivers with the nvidia .run scripts [08:48] and made sure nouveau wasn't blacklisted (even though I'd be fine with it not loading any driver at this point) [08:48] even after all of that, it seems to be loading some bits of the 390 driver on boot [09:10] Loeb: see this is exactly why we say installing stuff outside the package manager (or snaps) is not supported. [09:14] Loeb: no idea what files the nvidia .run installs and where, but do note there are two components of the driver. the kernel module and the xorg module, so perhaps you'll just have to reinstall both via apt, or at least the xorg module if you want to use nvidia. [09:45] Hi! I'm a beautiful and naughty girl who wanna be your lover and friend! ❤ http://v.ht/mircchat ❤ === ryahi is now known as ryahi_skaprinav [10:22] cheers - what is the ubuntu equivalent of "mintinstall"? I need to run the software manager in gui form from a remote server. I do not want the package manager. [10:34] weedmic: no idea what mintinstall is, but are you asking about a GUI package manager? [10:38] baidu [10:38] github [10:40] no, the gui software manager - blackflow [10:47] blackflow software manager [10:48] what's a "software manager"? [10:48] weedmic: if it's in launcher menu do you have the option to copy it to desktop ? [10:48] (that isn't installing and removing sofware like a........ package manager) [10:49] https://imgur.com/a/QQwXyoc mintinstall , software manager [10:52] well that's a GUI package manager alright.... Ubuntu has "Software Center", which works with both apt packages and snaps. [10:52] it's headless - so I do not think there is a desktop [10:52] SimonNL: ^^^ weedmic: ^^^ [10:53] weedmic: if that's headless, the only two ways to install software is using `apt` or `snap` commands. that's essentially what the Software Center does, but with shiny pictures. [10:54] i do not want to install software - but what you posted is what I want to launch locally, yet run on the remote server. what do you type in ubuntu to do that? [10:56] weedmic: then the remote server needs to run a desktop and you can access it remotely over VNC or ssh with x11 forwarding [10:56] weedmic: btw "launch locally, yet run on the remote server" -- you'll have to explain this, as it doesn't make much sense. [11:01] from a terminal I would type "ssh -X -y me@server mintinsall" - would launch the software manager on my machine, yet being run on the server using it's cpu/ram. Then I can run the gui - i need to search with general terms looking for something bad/wrong. Then when I know the name I can address it with apt-get commands. However, two machines are ubunto and no one seems to know what the software manager is called (from a konsole). [11:03] perhaps omeone with ubuntu and a desktop environment can right click on the properties of the icon and paste in the line it uses to start the app? [11:04] like this to find it is called "mintinstall" in mint - https://paste.pics/e50a6fb341480dadd1c8bea171b2fd8c [11:06] hello im having an error message when doing update , and i cant install git [11:09] weedmic: haven't you thought of searching it ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/231695/how-do-i-open-ubuntu-software-center-via-terminal [11:09] bryanroderyck, you'll have to pastebinit the error (possibly with a `sudo apt update`) for people to see your issue I suspect [11:13] https://pastebin.com/Sfkk8zUD [11:14] people, i am facing a bug in ubuntu (it has persisted since 17.10) regarding the wifi, but i am not sure how to explain it. I have wifi + a wifi extender all under the same name, for this reason it seems ubuntu confuses the two and ends up stopping the network (ethernet works fine always) but even when the network crashes the CPU usage skyrockets and the mouse stops moving smoothly. this happens randomly [11:14] weedmic: I think you're confusing some things here. you can't "launch on your machine" but "run remotely". you need to connect to teh server _first_. it might look like you're running stuff "locally" because you're forwarding x11 or using VNC, but it's all being launched and run remotely. [11:14] after each boot so i am not sure how to replicate it and now sure how to diagnose it [11:14] bryanroderyck: try 'sudo apt-get update' [11:15] i know this is an ubuntu issue because with arch-based linux distros this issue does not exist (i tried ubuntu, antergos and manjaro) [11:15] i have paste the error message when i did sudo apt-get update [11:15] bryanroderyck: no, you ran it without sudo [11:15] ok waity [11:16] weedmic: that said, it perhaps could be possible that some VNC client allows you to build .desktop shortcuts that allow local SHORTCUTS be used to launch remote programs. [11:20] thanks it worked [11:20] hi anyone tried ms office in mint linux 19 cinnamon [11:20] !mint | alister [11:20] alister: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) [11:21] thanks [11:24] greetings, im looking for a way to suspend the system after x minutes and to flush the keys from ram and/or mount points [11:24] what is the best way to accomplish this [11:24] or any way for that matter [11:24] 4.18.0-16-generic #17~18.04.1-Ubuntu [11:25] with KDE plasma [11:27] dff: what keys? [11:28] blackflow: i assumed linux handles suspensions the same way as macOS and pmset [11:28] perhaps that was a stupid assumption [11:28] what keys? [11:28] the encrytion keys to mount the volume [11:29] oh [11:29] and macos does that? [11:29] i didnt say it's a full encrypted lvm volume [11:29] they are stored in the ram yes [11:29] I mean, suspension is literally only putting the cpu in a power state. if you remove the keys, you can't resume [11:29] unless you actively set pmset to destroy the keys on sleep [11:29] yeah but how do you resume then, if the kernel has no keys to use the disks [11:30] the password to mount the volume? [11:31] the same way as when you boot the system [11:31] I suppose that's doable with non-root fs and some power management hooks/scripts, but I don't think linux has any support to do that for the rootfs. [11:31] so you'd need the power management system to shutdown instead of suspend/sleep then? [11:32] suspend = CPU power state. are you thinking about hibernation, which is going through bios boot and thus might have ability to unlock rootfs? [11:32] ph [11:32] oh [11:32] yes i confused the two [11:33] dff: I suppose this might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap [11:33] exactly what i was looking for [11:34] my thanks to you, blackflow [11:34] not sure about wiping the keys from RAM on going into hibernation, I suppose it's doable, I just don't know if the kernel does it. [11:34] but you really don't need that [11:34] someone could pluck my RAM and copy it [11:35] that someone would need to have access to some very expensive hardware AND your computer. but once they have your computer, all bets are off anyway. [11:35] how would they crack the encryption of my drive tho [11:35] if they are given the disk powered off [11:35] I seriously doubt you have that threat in your life, because if you did, you'd have special tamper-proof hardware to begin with, and would probably call your (clandestine) government agency for support, not #ubuntu :) [11:36] i work for a government agency in a third world country, this is the best we can do [11:36] dff: the same way they'd extract keys from your RAM [11:36] dff: do yourself a favor, there's tamper proof hardware, buy that [11:36] computer/laptop cases that fry their electronics when attempted to be open [11:37] nice [11:37] well for now actually, what will do is a script that turns the computer off if it hasnt be used for x minutes [11:37] dff: but eh, you have a much bigger problem than this, though [11:38] dff: there's this extremely powerful hacking tool you're very, very vulnerable to. [11:38] so instead of the power management system putting the computer to sleep, i want it shutdown [11:38] it's called a $5 wrench. https://xkcd.com/538/ [11:39] yeah well im not so sure anyone could access my data given [11:39] if they were given my HD [11:39] just forget this :) if anyone can extract your keys from RAM, they'd need very specialized hardware and would need to do it within seconds of hibernation. it's much cheaper for them to kidnap you and beat you to death or until you give them the password. [11:39] in that case there would be no use for lvm encryption [11:40] that i agree with [11:40] wrong. there's plenty of use for encryption, and it's only... ONLY ... for data at rest [11:40] right [11:40] that's why i want the system shut down [11:40] instead of sleep/hibernation [11:40] FDE protects data against stolen hardware, or when the said hardware goes to recycling. if anyone wants to extract it, really bad, they'll just get the wrench and pay you a visit anyway. [11:40] but i cant find any settings for that in KDE [11:41] dff: there should be an option to poweroff on inactivity? [11:41] ohhh [11:41] backlfow - i've been doing this since 1995 - perhaps my english is bad - my question is very simple, what do i type in at terminal to start software manager in ubuntu (it is mintinstall in mint, software-manager in suse). [11:41] there it was! [11:41] thanks i found it [11:41] yw === BurekzFinezt is now known as Burek [11:43] weedmic: `gnome-software` [11:45] Q - will try shortly === daniele_ is now known as Guest49753 [12:04] hola [12:21] Howdy folks [12:33] what is the recommended mail programme to install just for sending mail from the konsole with attachments? [12:39] weedmic: boils down to preference. Mutt is rather popular. mailx is a simple command line tool you can use as well https://www.thegeekdiary.com/linux-unix-how-to-send-mails-with-attachments-using-mailx-command/ [12:40] yes, i found it was mutt I wanted to use [12:40] note that attachments is just regular mail text content, encoded, that represents a file [12:41] mutt is a full fledged MUA with textual user interface. mailx is a simple command line utility, if that's all you need to do [12:42] do I need to install something before mutt and configure it? if so, is it sendmail, mailutil, postfix, something else, a combo? [12:43] no, mutt can use remote MTAs. if you don't have any, or a gmail account even, then yes, you'd need to install an MTA like postfix [12:45] ok, setting up postfix.cf [12:45] ty ever sm [12:45] postfix.cf ? [12:45] weedmic, maybe you just need a simple smtp (postfix might be a bit overwhelming) [12:47] people, i am facing a bug in ubuntu (it has persisted since 17.10) regarding the wifi, but i am not sure how to explain it. I have wifi + a wifi extender all under the same name, for this reason it seems ubuntu confuses the two and ends up stopping the network (ethernet works fine always) but even when the network crashes the CPU usage skyrockets and the mouse stops moving smoothly. this happens randomly [12:47] after each boot so i am not sure how to replicate it and now sure how to diagnose it [12:47] i know this is an ubuntu issue because with arch-based linux distros this issue does not exist (i tried ubuntu, antergos and manjaro) [12:47] All I want to do is send e-mails from the konsole. The minimal way possible. I don't want to ever receive e-mails and don't relaly need any non-sudo users [12:47] ioria: weedmic: no. mutt can use an external MTA, ssmtp or similar is not needed. if there's no external MTA, then you DO need postfix (or another) [12:48] and I just looked at/upto page 4 of postfix. a bit much. [12:48] !info ssmtp [12:48] ssmtp (source: ssmtp): extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.64-8ubuntu2 (bionic), package size 41 kB, installed size 2 kB [12:48] weedmic: you need an MTA to send out mail. your own or an external one. if you have GMail, you can use that with mutt [12:48] ioria: ssmtp requires an MTA [12:48] define mta [12:48] sendmail comes with it [12:48] Mail Transport Agent, like Postfix [12:49] ioria: no [12:49] "Sendmail" the MTA or /bin/sendmail the sendmail-compatible utility that comes with other tools, which requires a local MTA [12:49] blackflow: ssmtp IS an MTA [12:49] it is not [12:49] it is [12:49] so sendmail needs to be installed [12:49] I've used it for years [12:49] leftyfb: it requries a server [12:50] blackflow, yes : /usr/lib/sendmail [12:50] right now I have only mutt, sendmail, postfix, and mailutils are removed [12:50] blackflow, installing ssmtp .... [12:50] ok, i shall reput sendmail [12:50] acresearch: a wifi extender; extends your existing wifi, it cant normally interfere with your original wifi signal [12:51] leftyfb: you are using ssmtp WITHOUT an external (aka smarthost) server? [12:51] blackflow: yes, it does need a mailhub. Who's sending email just directly from their machine? That's .... unsmart [12:51] lotuspsychje: i know, which is why i don't have problems with any of my devices, not with any other distro except for ubuntu, i know this because when i remove it the wifi issue goes away [12:51] acresearch: what kind of wifi chipset are you on, and wich ubuntu version currently? [12:51] on suse machines - i have never setup mail (as we used external providers), yet could use mutt and it worked / no setup from me at all [12:52] leftyfb: right so don't confuse weedmic please, that's exactly what I said. to send mail you *NEED* an MTA, be it local (postifx) or a remote one (GMail is fine too) [12:52] lotuspsychje: i am on macbookpro 2011 8,1 running ubuntu 18.10 (but i had the same issue in ubuntu 17.04 17.10 18.04) [12:52] ioria: ssmtp is not an MTA you need one. mutt can use that one directly, no need to install it for mutt [12:52] so, sendmail w mutt should be all I need? [12:52] ............. [12:52] acresearch: ok great, and the wifi chipset please? [12:52] if yes, does sendmail require any configuration? [12:53] lotuspsychje: let me search for it 1 moment [12:53] acresearch: sudo lshw -C network [12:53] weedmic: https://www.nixtutor.com/linux/send-mail-with-gmail-and-ssmtp/ [12:53] weedmic: do you have a GMail account? [12:53] i didn't open it yet, but I have no intention of connecting this machine to gmail [12:54] leftyfb: BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n Broadcom Inc. [12:54] acresearch: I didn't ask for that info [12:54] acresearch: and the driver= version at bottom please? [12:54] hi. Can I do a do-release-upgrade with apt-offline ? [12:54] weedmic: you *NEED* an MTA that needs to queue up and talk SMTP with remotes. ssmtp does NOT do that. Sendmail (the compatible interface) does NOT do that. Sendmail the MTA _does_ do that but it is NOT recommended to use Sendmail the MTA. Postfix is much easier, recommended, and default on Ubuntu. [12:55] weedmic: I would suggest, unless you're going to setup your own full blown MTA with a public static IP, you're going to need to use some email service to authenticate with to send email [12:55] i need a definition of mta - and I don't believe it - since I never ever did that before on any of the 300 or so suse servers [12:55] weedmic: so either you use GMail, or you install Postfix. I dont' know if other "freemail" services offer external SMTP [12:55] if mta means something like gmail [12:55] it should just do it itself [12:55] leftyfb: oh sorry,, is it this? configuration: broadcast=yes driver=wl0 driverversion=6.30.223.271 (r587334) ip=192.168.100.219 latency=0 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11 [12:55] weedmic: suse installs postfix iirc [12:55] what does mta mean [12:55] acresearch: sorry, but I am not involved in helping you. I think you're referring to lotuspsychje [12:55] weedmic: Mail Transport Agent [12:56] weedmic: postfix is one [12:56] leftyfb: oh sorry, tab mistake :-) [12:56] lotuspsychje: [12:56] hmm - I think I'll open a suse server and see what they did [12:56] so sendmail has finished - just remove it? y/n [12:57] I shall use postfix and mutt - that is enough? y/n [12:57] !info sendmail bionic [12:57] sendmail (source: sendmail): powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent (metapackage). In component universe, is extra. Version 8.15.2-10 (bionic), package size 6 kB, installed size 231 kB [12:57] this sendmail? [12:57] or /usr/sbin/sendmail which is just a shim that requires something like postfix present? [12:57] acresearch: ok tnx, try to do this please: from a terminal: tail -f /var/log/syslog and disable and enable wifi again, then pastebin the whole output to us please [12:58] apt-get install sendmail - sendmail, but I shall remove it if it is unneeded [12:58] weedmic: I'm sorry if this is confusing but that's exactly what it is about "sendmail" name. it can mean the whole MTA server, or just the shim binary [12:58] lotuspsychje: ok 1 moment [12:58] weedmic: yeah you do NOT want to install "Sendmail the MTA package". Install the (Ubuntu default) Postfix instead. [12:58] lotuspsychje: wait, i have lots of webpages open, like 30 i don't want to lose them, let me finish what i am writing then i will play with the wifi :-( sorry [12:59] ok, if postfix and mutt were enough, it did not work and requires a configuration of postfix. do you have a working example? [12:59] acresearch: np [13:02] hmm - seem to be stuck in echo - how does one execute/leave? [13:03] ctrl-d, i believe. [13:03] weedmic: if you need help with using and configuring Postfix, #postfix here on freenode is a better place. make sure you read the /topic when you enter the channel, it's very important. [13:04] weedmic: regardless, this discussion should really belong in #ubuntu-server [13:04] i think something was lost in translation,this should have been a 2 minute issue [13:07] weedmic: use ssmtp and an external mailhub and be done with it [13:08] weedmic: leftyfb: in which case I recommed dma over ssmtp. ssmtp is abandonware. dma is actively developed [13:08] !info dma bionic [13:08] dma (source: dma): lightweight mail transport agent. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-1build1 (bionic), package size 48 kB, installed size 148 kB [13:09] blackflow: ah, didn't know about dma. And haven't followed ssmtp's development. I only require 587 outbound so not much of a security issue [13:09] leftyfb: bugs keep piling up and there's really no central upstream site you can work with, it's a debian something-something project. it has some problems with revaliases iirc, reported long time ago but nobody cares about fixing it. [13:10] there's another alternative, I forgot the name... similar to "ssmtp" [13:11] !info msmtp bionic [13:11] msmtp (source: msmtp): light SMTP client with support for server profiles. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.6-1 (bionic), package size 112 kB, installed size 269 kB [13:11] that :) [13:13] TIL :) [13:13] weedmic: it's even less than two minutes. Install postfix, choose "Internet site" profile, modify main.cf to not listen on public ports. restart postfix. use any MUA capable of using local sendmail shim, like mutt or mailx. done. [13:13] Though any new machines that I need to send email from these days I just use postfix [13:14] in suse, fyi, there is sendmail where you need do nothing for outgoing mail - and mutt to make it easy to send attachments - no configuration required, no setup. [13:14] that is such a security risk - fyi [13:14] it is [13:14] weedmic: "Sendmail" the whole server package? === Sven_vB_ is now known as Sven_vB [13:15] with an almost enriely remmed out configuration file. [13:15]