[00:12] <\dev\cache> rypervenche: its ubuntu os!
[00:12] <\dev\cache> the only other thing non ubuntu would be digital ocean lmao
[00:13] <leftyfb> \dev\cache: what version of ubuntu?
[00:14] <\dev\cache> leftyfb: 18.04
[00:14] <leftyfb> \dev\cache: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-set-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/ # first result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 nameserver"
[00:17] <\dev\cache> leftyfb: thats what ive tried, something about digital ocean causing presistance
[00:17] <Guest64677> on the 19.04 beta... everything smooth, whatever updated last just flashing cursor unless I boot in safe mode (where I am now) what I can I try?
[00:17] <leftyfb> \dev\cache: then it's not an ubuntu issue as you were originally told
[00:17] <leftyfb> Guest64677: 19.04 is not yet released or supported. Try #ubuntu+1
[00:20] <Guest64677> any way to generally check what just updated? That might help me figure out why.
[00:20] <leftyfb> Guest64677: 19.04 is not yet released or supported. Try #ubuntu+1
[00:23] <eden_> Hey was just posting on flashing cursor, apparently 5.0.0.8 kernal is stable for me and 5.0.0.11 not... interesting.
[00:23] <leftyfb> eden_: 19.04 is not yet released or supported. Try #ubuntu+1
[00:37] <donofrio> is there a version of Ubuntu for amazon firesticks?
[00:38] <leftyfb> donofrio: no
[00:38] <leftyfb> donofrio: nothing that is supported here anyway
[00:45] <\dev\cache> question about ubuntu does the ufw block everything?? unless a rule allows it?
[00:46] <\dev\cache> or do i need to add specific rules blocking all other ports etc?
[00:47] <leftyfb> \dev\cache: ufw is a front-end to manage iptables rules. By default, there are none running
[00:47] <\dev\cache> so its not a default deny everything from outside?
[00:47] <\dev\cache> when installed?
[00:47] <\dev\cache> and enabled?
[00:47] <leftyfb> \dev\cache: no, it's not enabled by default
[00:48] <\dev\cache> leftyfb: say i enable ufw post installation, and i forget to allow openssh/22 would it then be locked out?
[00:48] <hggdh> \dev\cache: but, when enabled, the default is allow all outbound, block all inbound
[00:48] <\dev\cache> ookay that clarifies things.
[00:49] <\dev\cache> hggdh: is it wise to use the firewall to limit outbound connections too?
[00:50] <hggdh> \dev\cache: it varies. most casual users do not need outbound blocking; on some (few) cases, I had to implement outbound blocking as well
[00:50] <\dev\cache> hggdh: thank you.
[00:51] <\dev\cache> hggdh: okay so i did sudo ufw default deny incoming and did rules enable
[00:52] <\dev\cache> despite that i pinged my machine and my machine responded!
[00:55] <\dev\cache> Okay ive learned my lesson best choice learn iptables directly
[01:22] <rypervenche> \dev\cache: Oh! I'm sorry. I misread "nameservers" somehow for something else.
[01:24] <chrstphrchvz> I'm encountering "500 Internal Server Error" rather often on packages.ubuntu.com at the moment
[01:25] <leftyfb> chrstphrchvz: why do you need to access packages.ubuntu.com?
[01:26] <chrstphrchvz> …why not? Currently browsing package versions and dependencies without an Ubuntu machine in front of me.
[01:26] <cfhowlett> chrstphrchvz, could be undergoing maintenance.  wait and try later.  usually this error self-corrects
[01:42] <popgreeny> Can I ask why the following command when now entered into a terminal yields nothing in return? "dmesg | grep -i pae"
[01:47] <Bashing-om> popgreeny: The term 'pae" is not in dmesg - probably.
[01:48] <popgreeny> Bashing-om: In the history on my pc I just used the command a couple days ago. Tried same command on a separate pc. No luck. either as of now.
[01:49] <leftyfb> popgreeny: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[01:49] <Bashing-om> popgreeny: What is it that you are trying to find out ? I also get no return from ^^ .
[01:50] <seednode> I'm of the understanding pae should only be mentioned in dmesg if you're forcing the use of PAE on a 32-bit CPU
[01:50] <leftyfb> popgreeny: grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[01:50] <leftyfb> dmesg is a dynamic log that rotates
[01:51] <popgreeny> Bashing-om: I am trying to find out if pae is enabled. I was looking at this link ----> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[01:51] <leftyfb> popgreeny: grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[01:51] <popgreeny> leftyfb: Thanks that did in fact report pae in 2 places .
[01:52] <leftyfb> popgreeny: 1 place, 2 cores/threads
[01:52] <popgreeny> leftyfb: Why previously did the command "dmesg | grep -i pae" work and report back output ?
[01:53] <cfhowlett> -i pae would ignore pae output
[01:53] <leftyfb> popgreeny: see my previous message. dmesg is a dynamic log that rotates
[01:53] <pragmaticenigma> popgreeny: dmesg doesn't work to pipe things from
[01:53] <popgreeny> oh
[01:53] <leftyfb> cfhowlett: incorrect
[01:53] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: yes, it does
[01:53] <cfhowlett> :?  did I misread grep?
[01:53] <pragmaticenigma> cfhowlet the -i option for grep is case insensitive
[01:54] <cfhowlett> doh!  thanks guys.  I'll go back to lurking.
[01:54] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: output from dmesg can be piped to things like grep just fine
[01:56] <popgreeny> Ahh
[01:57] <popgreeny> I think because during the boot where the command "dmesg | grep -i pae" did report output was because I booted with the "forcepae" flag. Would that make sense ?
[01:58] <leftyfb> popgreeny: Are you running a 32bit OS with more than 4G of memory?
[01:58] <popgreeny> Since then I have powercycled/rebooted and command "dmesg | grep -i pae" no longer yields any output. Either way thank you for your help
[01:59] <popgreeny> leftyfb: No 4 gib ddr2 my issue is "inxi -m" only reports 3.32 GiB in terminal .
[01:59] <leftyfb> popgreeny: 4G is the limit of 32bit, not 3.32
[01:59] <popgreeny> that is how I started checking into this I have also completed a memory test with live usb and received no errors.
[02:00] <leftyfb> popgreeny: free -h # that will list your physical memory available beyond the kernel
[02:00] <popgreeny> leftyfb: In terminal or system monitor the pc reports 3.32 available memory. Yes I have 2 2GiB 667mhz sticks installed .
[02:00] <popgreeny> leftyfb: ok
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> popgreeny: Do you have integrated graphics?
[02:00] <leftyfb> popgreeny: if you're running a 64bit OS on 64bit hardware, PAE has no business being enabled.
[02:01] <popgreeny> leftyfb: I am typing on a 64 bit pc now.
[02:01] <popgreeny> leftyfb: let me go back to the 32 bit laptop.
[02:02] <panorain> ok
[02:02] <leftyfb> popgreeny: PAE is only necessary on 32bit systems to enable more than 4G of memory
[02:02] <panorain> leftyfb: hi it's popgreeny
[02:02] <pragmaticenigma> popgreeny: Since you mentioned you are running on a laptop, it is likely that the laptop shares system RAM with the graphics chip. Integrated graphics chips reserve a portion of RAM for their own use instead of having it's own dedicated ram
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: ^ ^
[02:03] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: Yes there is an intel video on this laptop
[02:03] <panorain> ok reading
[02:03] <panorain> hmm
[02:04] <panorain> is it ok to paste memory output here or better to create a Debian pastebin ?
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: multiline output should be pastebin'd
[02:04] <panorain> ok
[02:06] <panorain> Here is a Debian pastebin of the listed memory ----> https://paste.debian.net/1077518/
[02:06] <panorain> Pastezone*
[02:06] <leftyfb>  panorain look in your BIOS. There's usually info there on video memory allocation
[02:07] <panorain> leftyfb: Ok, also in my BIOS the BIOS is in fact showing 4 GiB's of installed memory .
[02:08] <leftyfb> panorain: right, check for info on video memory allocation
[02:08] <panorain> leftyfb: When I reboot again at some point I will have a fresh look at that .
[02:08] <panorain> leftyfb: Jotting that down and thank you
[02:10] <panorain> leftyfb: Someone has stated on the forums the following. ----> (The specs for that machine clearly indicate a large amount of RAM is reserved by the system)
[02:11] <panorain> Would that perhaps be referring to the video memory allocation?
[02:11] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: it is very likely
[02:12] <panorain> Would it be beneficial at all right now to create another Debian pastezone entry with the output of "free -m". I'm feeling like a reboot is in order soon.
[02:14] <panorain> hmm well let me just post it then i'll reboot and check for video memory allocation. The laptop in a Compaq nc-6400 model similar in ways to a Thinkpad I believe.
[02:15] <panorain> https://paste.debian.net/1077519/
[02:15] <panorain> I hope I am not asking to many questions this has been bothering me for a while I guess you could say.
[02:18] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: What you're descibing is not abnormal. Laptops have shared their RAM with the graphics chipsets for a very long time. If the laptop wasn't sold with a "discrete graphics chipset" it is sharing system RAM
[02:19] <pragmaticenigma> the fact that your tools are seeing 4GB of ram means the system is recognizing 4GB of RAM.
[02:19] <pragmaticenigma> just as you have been reading, a portion of it is reserved for other functions
[02:19] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: When I purchased the laptop it initially had 2 Gib of memory and a while back I installed an additional 2 Gib DDR 2 667 mhz dimm. The laptop specs state that the 4 GiB is the maximum capacity.
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: That is because 32bit computers can only address 4GB worth of RAM. But that has nothing to do with system reservation of RAM for graphics
[02:22] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: Well thank you for the info I have been curious about this. What I am noticing is when flag "forcepae -- forcepae" was used I believe that the command "dmesg | grep -i pae" is in fact able to report pae forced but only for that cycle.
[02:22] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: So there is really no way for me to get around this with this particular laptop pc I suspect correct?
[02:24] <panorain> I also before looking into this more deeply did not know that 32bit computers are not able to accept more than 4 GiB of memory.
[02:24] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: as mentioned earlier by leftyfb ... there is no reason to enable pae unless you're trying to operate a 32bit computer with more than 4GB of RAM. PAE enables the ability for the CPU to address more than the 4GB.
[02:25] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: I have an older Lenovo 64bit desktop and pae appears to be enabled so what in long story short is this bad?
[02:25] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: Did you install 32 bit version of an OS on that machine?
[02:26] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: No a 64 bit OS is installed on the Lenovo 64bit Desktop.
[02:26] <KernelP8901> Hello, I am trying to make a live bootable USB for intel stick, however the Bios is Secureboot only. Every attempt I make to make the USB just fails and I am thrown to the Bios's EFI shell. I have tried Linus Live USB Creator, Rufus (both in Hybrid and DD mode), via my current linux laptop using DD and Unetbootin, Any ideas?
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not sure why PAE would be enabled there
[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> !efi | KernelP8901
[02:27] <panorain> hmm nice to know about "pae" allowing ability for cpu to address more than 4GiB of memory.
[02:28] <KernelP8901> pragmaticenigma I have already follwed the guide. Secureboot and EFI boot are not available to be disabled
[02:28] <tatertots> panorain: were you having a real issue or problem or just picking up some tips?
[02:28] <KernelP8901> and when I try to boot via UEFI it throws me back to either the bios boot selection or EFI shell
[02:28] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: Are you saying that i386 based computers cannot accept more than 4 GiB of memory? What would happen say if I installed 2 , 4 GiB DDR2 667mhz Dimms in this i386 Compaq NC-6400 that does in fact state in user specs 4 Gib is max? refuse to boot?
[02:29] <panorain> tatertots: Tips I guess
[02:29] <tatertots> panorain: oh okay...carry on
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: The machine would only see 4GB of ram... the rest would be unused
[02:29] <panorain> tatertots: I am now thinking that with my Lenovo 64 bit with 64 bit os and 5 GiB of onboard memory and pae showing as enabled is a performance issue or not really?
[02:30] <pragmaticenigma> panorain: PAE enabled in a 64bit platform might be for backward compatibility with 32 bit applications. I'd have to read up to be certain
[02:30] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: Ahh I did not know that. What if I installed only 1 4gib ddr2 dimm in 1 of the 2 slots would the i386 show 4 GiB's or just 2 Gib's ?
[02:31] <panorain> pragmaticenigma: Cool ok.
[02:31] <panorain> Well you have been more than helpful.
[02:31] <panorain> I will not keep anyone else from there questions.
[02:31] <panorain> Thank You
[02:31] <Bashing-om> KernelP8901: An Acer machine ?
[02:34] <tatertots> KernelP8901: have you EVER successfully boots Linux LiveUSB's on this computer at all?
[02:35] <KernelP8901> tatertots yes I did, I managed to MX installed using Hybrid mode on Rufus but MX is not my tea so I wanted to go to Ubuntu.
[02:35] <KernelP8901> Bashing-omNahh it's an intel stick that uses AMI bios from 2015 and can't be updated (stupid hardware vendor locked it down)
[02:38] <KernelP8901> Bashing-om Closest match to it is this https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/86612/intel-compute-stick-stck1a32wfc.html
[02:40] <cryptodan_mobile> Likely uses 32bit efi on a 64bit cpu
[02:40] <KernelP8901> The MX install I ran was 64bit so unless the distro did some magic for EFI boot then I am stumped xD
[02:41] <pragmaticenigma> KernelP8901: What is MX?
[02:41] <Bashing-om> KernelP8901: Atom processor - have you tried booting 19.04 beta ?
[02:42] <KernelP8901> pragmaticenigma MX Linux (another distro), it's debian based and was the one I tried to use first and managed to install, however I am not a fan of it and trying to go to Ubuntu
[02:42] <KernelP8901> Bashing-om not yet, any particular reason to try it? I have tried 18.04 and 18.10
[02:43] <pragmaticenigma> KernelP8901: perhaps try making your USB drive using Rufus in hybrid mode again but targetting an Ubuntu ISO?
[02:43] <KernelP8901> I have, both 18.04 and 18.10
[02:43] <KernelP8901> pragmaticenigma^
[02:43] <Bashing-om> KernelP8901: My menory is hazy .. but seems I recall that kernel 5.0 has full support for the Atom processor. and 19.04 has the 5.0 kernel.
[02:45] <KernelP8901> Hrm I'm happy to grab it is there a torrent or build mirror list I can find the ISO Bashing-om
[02:45] <Bashing-om> KernelP8901: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ .
[02:47] <KernelP8901> Thanks Bashing-om I'll give it a shot and come back if it's still being screwy on the installer. Thanks again :)
[02:48] <Bashing-om> KernelP8901: All I can think of to try .. but as I say .. my memory is hazy about the Atom processor. Not a subject of my focus.
[02:49] <nullbyte_> Bashing-om: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/disco-desktop-amd64.iso what's this
[02:49] <nullbyte_> pre-releases, lives?
[02:49] <Bashing-om> nullbyte_: The daily build for the forthcoming 19.04 release.
[02:49] <nullbyte_> a ok
[02:49] <nullbyte_> Bashing-om they are only 5 days
[02:50] <Bashing-om> nullbyte_: The target is the 18th.
[03:05] <dima_> есть русские
[03:31] <dima_> всем привет нужна помощь
[03:32] <Bashing-om> !ru | dima_
[04:03] <leonardus> does ubuntu support 144hz displays?
[04:36] <revolve_> having trouble with tablet rotation on 18.04.2. it works once after first logging in but wont display in portrait mode afterwards.
[04:36] <revolve_> it can be reset by logging out and logging in again but that's broken UX
[04:40] <Kyros> leonardus: yes
[04:41] <kadiro> hello, any one have lirc working ( serial port ) ?
[05:13] <revolve_> fixed it. portrait mode works in X but not Wayland.
[05:53] <Loeb> I'm trying to unbind a device by echoing the device id to /sys/bus/pci/devices/<ID>/driver/unbind, but when I do this the process hangs hard and I see a message in dmesg about "Tainted"
[05:54] <Loeb> It looks like the driver (nvidia) is hanging, it hangs so hard that the system can't fully shut down without power cycling.
[06:08] <fenix> hi
[08:01] <dex1983> hi
[08:01] <englosh> hi
[08:01] <englosh> How do I install stb_truetype package?
[08:01] <dex1983> what is the best method to split a big apache log file about 2gb I cannot open it with editors because it is too big
[08:01] <englosh> you need to write a program
[08:01] <englosh> to split it
[08:01] <dex1983> ok englosh do you have an idea?
[08:02] <englosh> dex1983: split into two halves?
[08:02] <dex1983> 100MB files would be great :-)
[08:02] <englosh> I can try making a little program
[08:02] <dex1983> yes please englosh
[08:02] <dex1983> thanks
[08:02] <raver> there should be a shell one liner
[08:03] <raver> looking here...: https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/split-large-text-file-smaller-files-linux/
[08:04] <raver> split -b 200M httpd.log httpd-split.log
[08:04] <Loeb> holy heck where is the nvidia driver installed
[08:05] <Loeb> apt purge didn't remove it, it's still loading somewhere
[08:08] <dex1983> oh great thanks I will try that
[08:09] <Cryptolock> guys a questions, everytime i reboot the box i have to add the GW route manually otherwise it won't comes online
[08:18] <dex1983> great works thanks for help :-)
[08:34] <blb4393> how do i find deb file location on the server having this sources.list description 'deb https://download.sublimetext.com/ apt/stable/'
[08:34] <blb4393> obviously its not https://download.sublimetext.com/apt/stable/
[08:40] <dima_> русские есть
[08:42] <Eickmeyer> !ru | dima_
[08:46] <Loeb> Ok so I've:
[08:47] <Loeb> Installed/uninstalled 340 (desired) and 390 (old) drivers with apt
[08:47] <Loeb> I've installed and uninstalled both drivers with the nvidia .run scripts
[08:48] <Loeb> and made sure nouveau wasn't blacklisted (even though I'd be fine with it not loading any driver at this point)
[08:48] <Loeb> even after all of that, it seems to be loading some bits of the 390 driver on boot
[09:10] <blackflow> Loeb: see this is exactly why we say installing stuff outside the package manager (or snaps) is not supported.
[09:14] <blackflow> Loeb: no idea what files the nvidia .run installs and where, but do note there are two components of the driver. the kernel module and the xorg module, so perhaps you'll just have to reinstall both via apt, or at least the xorg module if you want to use nvidia.
[09:45] <OnlyLove_> Hi! I'm a beautiful and naughty girl who wanna be your lover and friend! ❤ http://v.ht/mircchat ❤
[10:22] <weedmic> cheers - what is the ubuntu equivalent of "mintinstall"?  I need to run the software manager in gui form from a remote server.  I do not want the package manager.
[10:34] <blackflow> weedmic: no idea what mintinstall is, but are you asking about a GUI package manager?
[10:38] <odroid> baidu
[10:38] <odroid> github
[10:40] <weedmic> no, the gui software manager - blackflow
[10:47] <SimonNL> blackflow   software manager
[10:48] <blackflow> what's a "software manager"?
[10:48] <SimonNL> weedmic: if it's in launcher menu do you have the option to copy it to desktop ?
[10:48] <blackflow> (that isn't installing and removing sofware like a........ package manager)
[10:49] <SimonNL> https://imgur.com/a/QQwXyoc   mintinstall , software manager
[10:52] <blackflow> well that's a GUI package manager alright.... Ubuntu has "Software Center", which works with both apt packages and snaps.
[10:52] <weedmic> it's headless - so I do not think there is a desktop
[10:52] <blackflow> SimonNL: ^^^  weedmic: ^^^
[10:53] <blackflow> weedmic: if that's headless, the only two ways to install software is using `apt` or `snap` commands. that's essentially what the Software Center does, but with shiny pictures.
[10:54] <weedmic> i do not want to install software - but what you posted is what I want to launch locally, yet run on the remote server.  what do you type in ubuntu to do that?
[10:56] <blackflow> weedmic: then the remote server needs to run a desktop and you can access it remotely over VNC or ssh with x11 forwarding
[10:56] <blackflow> weedmic: btw "launch locally, yet run on the remote server" -- you'll have to explain this, as it doesn't make much sense.
[11:01] <weedmic> from a terminal I would type "ssh -X -y me@server mintinsall" - would launch the software manager on my machine, yet being run on the server using it's cpu/ram.  Then I can run the gui - i need to search with general terms looking for something bad/wrong.  Then when I know the name I can address it with apt-get commands.  However, two machines are ubunto and no one seems to know what the software manager is called (from a konsole).
[11:03] <weedmic> perhaps omeone with ubuntu and a desktop environment can right click on the properties of the icon and paste in the line it uses to start the app?
[11:04] <weedmic> like this to find it is called "mintinstall" in mint - https://paste.pics/e50a6fb341480dadd1c8bea171b2fd8c
[11:06] <bryanroderyck> hello im having an error message when doing update , and i cant install git
[11:09] <SimonNL> weedmic: haven't you thought of searching it ?      https://askubuntu.com/questions/231695/how-do-i-open-ubuntu-software-center-via-terminal
[11:09] <guiverc> bryanroderyck, you'll have to pastebinit the error  (possibly with a `sudo apt update`) for people to see your issue I suspect
[11:13] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/Sfkk8zUD
[11:14] <acresearch> people, i am facing a bug in ubuntu (it has persisted since 17.10) regarding the wifi, but i am not sure how to explain it.   I have wifi + a wifi extender all under the same name, for this reason it seems ubuntu confuses the two and ends up stopping the network (ethernet works fine always) but even when the network crashes the CPU usage skyrockets and the mouse stops moving smoothly. this happens randomly
[11:14] <blackflow> weedmic: I think you're confusing some things here. you can't "launch on your machine" but "run remotely". you need to connect to teh server _first_. it might look like you're running stuff "locally" because you're forwarding x11 or using VNC, but it's all being launched and run remotely.
[11:14] <acresearch> after each boot so i am not sure how to replicate it and now sure how to diagnose it
[11:14] <EriC^^> bryanroderyck: try 'sudo apt-get update'
[11:15] <acresearch> i know this is an ubuntu issue because with arch-based linux distros this issue does not exist (i tried ubuntu, antergos and manjaro)
[11:15] <bryanroderyck> i have paste the error message when i did sudo apt-get update
[11:15] <EriC^^> bryanroderyck: no, you ran it without sudo
[11:15] <bryanroderyck> ok waity
[11:16] <blackflow> weedmic: that said, it perhaps could be possible that some VNC client allows you to build .desktop shortcuts that allow local SHORTCUTS be used to launch remote programs.
[11:20] <bryanroderyck> thanks it worked
[11:20] <alister> hi anyone tried ms office in mint linux 19 cinnamon
[11:20] <guiverc> !mint | alister
[11:21] <alister> thanks
[11:24] <dff> greetings, im looking for a way to suspend the system after x minutes and to flush the keys from ram and/or mount points
[11:24] <dff> what is the best way to accomplish this
[11:24] <dff> or any way for that matter
[11:24] <dff> 4.18.0-16-generic #17~18.04.1-Ubuntu
[11:25] <dff> with KDE plasma
[11:27] <blackflow> dff: what keys?
[11:28] <dff> blackflow: i assumed linux handles suspensions the same way as macOS and pmset
[11:28] <dff> perhaps that was a stupid assumption
[11:28] <blackflow> what keys?
[11:28] <dff> the encrytion keys to mount the volume
[11:29] <dff> oh
[11:29] <blackflow> and macos does that?
[11:29] <dff> i didnt say it's a full encrypted lvm volume
[11:29] <dff> they are stored in the ram yes
[11:29] <blackflow> I mean, suspension is literally only putting the cpu in a power state. if you remove the keys, you can't resume
[11:29] <dff> unless you actively set pmset to destroy the keys on sleep
[11:29] <blackflow> yeah but how do you resume then, if the kernel has no keys to use the disks
[11:30] <dff> the password to mount the volume?
[11:31] <dff> the same way as when you boot the system
[11:31] <blackflow> I suppose that's doable with non-root fs and some power management hooks/scripts, but I don't think linux has any support to do that for the rootfs.
[11:31] <dff> so you'd need the power management system to shutdown instead of suspend/sleep then?
[11:32] <blackflow> suspend = CPU power state. are you thinking about hibernation, which is going through bios boot and thus might have ability to unlock rootfs?
[11:32] <dff> ph
[11:32] <dff> oh
[11:32] <dff> yes i confused the two
[11:33] <blackflow> dff: I suppose this might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap
[11:33] <dff> exactly what i was looking for
[11:34] <dff> my thanks to you, blackflow
[11:34] <blackflow> not sure about wiping the keys from RAM on going into hibernation, I suppose it's doable, I just don't know if the kernel does it.
[11:34] <blackflow> but you really don't need that
[11:34] <dff> someone could pluck my RAM and copy it
[11:35] <blackflow> that someone would need to have access to some very expensive hardware AND your computer. but once they have your computer, all bets are off anyway.
[11:35] <dff> how would they crack the encryption of my drive tho
[11:35] <dff> if they are given the disk powered off
[11:35] <blackflow> I seriously doubt you have that threat in your life, because if you did, you'd have special tamper-proof hardware to begin with, and would probably call your (clandestine) government agency for support, not #ubuntu :)
[11:36] <dff> i work for a government agency in a third world country, this is the best we can do
[11:36] <blackflow> dff: the same way they'd extract keys from your RAM
[11:36] <blackflow> dff: do yourself a favor, there's tamper proof hardware, buy that
[11:36] <blackflow> computer/laptop cases that fry their electronics when attempted to be open
[11:37] <dff> nice
[11:37] <dff> well for now actually, what will do is a script that turns the computer off if it hasnt be used for x minutes
[11:37] <blackflow> dff: but eh, you have a much bigger problem than this, though
[11:38] <blackflow> dff: there's this extremely powerful hacking tool you're very, very vulnerable to.
[11:38] <dff> so instead of the power management system putting the computer to sleep, i want it shutdown
[11:38] <blackflow> it's called a $5 wrench.    https://xkcd.com/538/
[11:39] <dff> yeah well im not so sure anyone could access my data given
[11:39] <dff> if they were given my HD
[11:39] <blackflow> just forget this :) if anyone can extract your keys from RAM, they'd need very specialized hardware and would need to do it within seconds of hibernation. it's much cheaper for them to kidnap you and beat you to death or until you give them the password.
[11:39] <dff> in that case there would be no use for lvm encryption
[11:40] <dff> that i agree with
[11:40] <blackflow> wrong. there's plenty of use for encryption, and it's only... ONLY ... for data at rest
[11:40] <dff> right
[11:40] <dff> that's why i want the system shut down
[11:40] <dff> instead of sleep/hibernation
[11:40] <blackflow> FDE protects data against stolen hardware, or when the said hardware goes to recycling. if anyone wants to extract it, really bad, they'll just get the wrench and pay you a visit anyway.
[11:40] <dff> but i cant find any settings for that in KDE
[11:41] <blackflow> dff: there should be an option to poweroff on inactivity?
[11:41] <dff> ohhh
[11:41] <weedmic> backlfow - i've been doing this since 1995 - perhaps my english is bad - my question is very simple, what do i type in at terminal to start software manager in ubuntu (it is mintinstall in mint, software-manager in suse).
[11:41] <dff> there it was!
[11:41] <dff> thanks i found it
[11:41] <blackflow> yw
[11:43] <blackflow> weedmic: `gnome-software`
[11:45] <weedmic> Q - will try shortly
[12:04] <ceibal> hola
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:33] <weedmic> what is the recommended mail programme to install just for sending mail from the konsole with attachments?
[12:39] <blackflow> weedmic: boils down to preference. Mutt is rather popular. mailx is a simple command line tool you can use as well   https://www.thegeekdiary.com/linux-unix-how-to-send-mails-with-attachments-using-mailx-command/
[12:40] <weedmic> yes, i found it was mutt I wanted to use
[12:40] <blackflow> note that attachments is just regular mail text content, encoded, that represents a file
[12:41] <blackflow> mutt is a full fledged MUA with textual user interface. mailx is a simple command line utility, if that's all you need to do
[12:42] <weedmic> do I need to install something before mutt and configure it?  if so, is it sendmail, mailutil, postfix, something else, a combo?
[12:43] <blackflow> no, mutt can use remote MTAs. if you don't have any, or a gmail account even, then yes, you'd need to install an MTA like postfix
[12:45] <weedmic> ok, setting up postfix.cf
[12:45] <weedmic> ty ever sm
[12:45] <blackflow> postfix.cf ?
[12:45] <ioria> weedmic, maybe you just need a simple smtp  (postfix might be a bit overwhelming)
[12:47] <acresearch> people, i am facing a bug in ubuntu (it has persisted since 17.10) regarding the wifi, but i am not sure how to explain it.   I have wifi + a wifi extender all under the same name, for this reason it seems ubuntu confuses the two and ends up stopping the network (ethernet works fine always) but even when the network crashes the CPU usage skyrockets and the mouse stops moving smoothly. this happens randomly
[12:47] <acresearch> after each boot so i am not sure how to replicate it and now sure how to diagnose it
[12:47] <acresearch> i know this is an ubuntu issue because with arch-based linux distros this issue does not exist (i tried ubuntu, antergos and manjaro)
[12:47] <weedmic> All I want to do is send e-mails from the konsole.  The minimal way possible.  I don't want to ever receive e-mails and don't relaly need any non-sudo users
[12:47] <blackflow> ioria: weedmic: no. mutt can use an external MTA, ssmtp or similar is not needed. if there's no external MTA, then you DO need postfix (or another)
[12:48] <weedmic> and I just looked at/upto page 4 of postfix. a bit much.
[12:48] <ioria> !info ssmtp
[12:48] <blackflow> weedmic: you need an MTA to send out mail. your own or an external one. if you have GMail, you can use that with mutt
[12:48] <blackflow> ioria: ssmtp requires an MTA
[12:48] <weedmic> define mta
[12:48] <ioria> sendmail comes with it
[12:48] <blackflow> Mail Transport Agent, like Postfix
[12:49] <blackflow> ioria: no
[12:49] <blackflow> "Sendmail" the MTA or /bin/sendmail the sendmail-compatible utility that comes with other tools, which requires a local MTA
[12:49] <leftyfb> blackflow: ssmtp IS an MTA
[12:49] <blackflow> it is not
[12:49] <leftyfb> it is
[12:49] <weedmic> so sendmail needs to be installed
[12:49] <leftyfb> I've used it for years
[12:49] <blackflow> leftyfb: it requries a server
[12:50] <ioria> blackflow, yes : /usr/lib/sendmail
[12:50] <weedmic> right now I have only mutt, sendmail, postfix, and mailutils are removed
[12:50] <ioria> blackflow,  installing ssmtp ....
[12:50] <weedmic> ok, i shall reput sendmail
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: a wifi extender; extends your existing wifi, it cant normally interfere with your original wifi signal
[12:51] <blackflow> leftyfb: you are using ssmtp WITHOUT an external (aka smarthost) server?
[12:51] <leftyfb> blackflow: yes, it does need a mailhub. Who's sending email just directly from their machine? That's .... unsmart
[12:51] <acresearch> lotuspsychje: i know, which is why i don't have problems with any of my devices, not with any other distro except for ubuntu,   i know this because when i remove it the wifi issue goes away
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: what kind of wifi chipset are you on, and wich ubuntu version currently?
[12:51] <weedmic> on suse machines - i have never setup mail (as we used external providers), yet could use mutt and it worked / no setup from me at all
[12:52] <blackflow> leftyfb: right so don't confuse weedmic please, that's exactly what I said. to send mail you  *NEED* an MTA, be it local (postifx) or a remote one (GMail is fine too)
[12:52] <acresearch> lotuspsychje: i am on macbookpro 2011  8,1  running ubuntu 18.10  (but i had the same issue in ubuntu 17.04 17.10 18.04)
[12:52] <blackflow> ioria: ssmtp is not an MTA you need one. mutt can use that one directly, no need to install it for mutt
[12:52] <weedmic> so, sendmail w mutt should be all I need?
[12:52] <blackflow> .............
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: ok great, and the wifi chipset please?
[12:52] <weedmic> if yes, does sendmail require any configuration?
[12:53] <acresearch> lotuspsychje: let me search for it 1 moment
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: sudo lshw -C network
[12:53] <leftyfb> weedmic: https://www.nixtutor.com/linux/send-mail-with-gmail-and-ssmtp/
[12:53] <blackflow> weedmic: do you have a GMail account?
[12:53] <weedmic> i didn't open it yet, but I have no intention of connecting this machine to gmail
[12:54] <acresearch> leftyfb: BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n     Broadcom Inc.
[12:54] <leftyfb> acresearch: I didn't ask for that info
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: and the driver= version at bottom please?
[12:54] <solsTiCe_> hi. Can I do a do-release-upgrade with apt-offline ?
[12:54] <blackflow> weedmic: you *NEED* an MTA that needs to queue up and talk SMTP with remotes. ssmtp does NOT do that. Sendmail (the compatible interface) does NOT do that. Sendmail the MTA _does_ do that but it is NOT recommended to use Sendmail the MTA. Postfix is much easier, recommended, and default on Ubuntu.
[12:55] <leftyfb> weedmic: I would suggest, unless you're going to setup your own full blown MTA with a public static IP, you're going to need to use some email service to authenticate with to send email
[12:55] <weedmic> i need a definition of mta - and I don't believe it - since I never ever did that before on any of the 300 or so suse servers
[12:55] <blackflow> weedmic: so either you use GMail, or you install Postfix. I dont' know if other "freemail" services offer external SMTP
[12:55] <weedmic> if mta means something like gmail
[12:55] <weedmic> it should just do it itself
[12:55] <acresearch> leftyfb: oh sorry,,     is it this?             configuration: broadcast=yes driver=wl0 driverversion=6.30.223.271 (r587334) ip=192.168.100.219 latency=0 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
[12:55] <blackflow> weedmic: suse installs postfix iirc
[12:55] <weedmic> what does mta mean
[12:55] <leftyfb> acresearch: sorry, but I am not involved in helping you. I think you're referring to lotuspsychje
[12:55] <blackflow> weedmic: Mail Transport Agent
[12:56] <blackflow> weedmic: postfix is one
[12:56] <acresearch> leftyfb: oh sorry,   tab mistake   :-)
[12:56] <acresearch> lotuspsychje:
[12:56] <weedmic> hmm - I think I'll open a suse server and see what they did
[12:56] <weedmic> so sendmail has finished - just remove it?  y/n
[12:57] <weedmic> I shall use postfix and mutt - that is enough?  y/n
[12:57] <blackflow> !info sendmail bionic
[12:57] <blackflow> this sendmail?
[12:57] <blackflow> or /usr/sbin/sendmail which is just a shim that requires something like postfix present?
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: ok tnx, try to do this please: from a terminal: tail -f /var/log/syslog and disable and enable wifi again, then pastebin the whole output to us please
[12:58] <weedmic> apt-get install sendmail - sendmail, but I shall remove it if it is unneeded
[12:58] <blackflow> weedmic: I'm sorry if this is confusing but that's exactly what it is about "sendmail" name. it can mean the whole MTA server, or just the shim binary
[12:58] <acresearch> lotuspsychje: ok 1 moment
[12:58] <blackflow> weedmic: yeah you do NOT want to install "Sendmail the MTA package". Install the (Ubuntu default) Postfix instead.
[12:58] <acresearch> lotuspsychje: wait,    i have lots of webpages open,    like 30  i don't want to lose them,   let me finish what i am writing then i will play with the wifi   :-(    sorry
[12:59] <weedmic> ok, if postfix and mutt were enough, it did not work and requires a configuration of postfix.  do you have a working example?
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> acresearch: np
[13:02] <weedmic> hmm - seem to be stuck in echo - how does one execute/leave?
[13:03] <moarbytes> ctrl-d, i believe.
[13:03] <blackflow> weedmic: if you need help with using and configuring Postfix,  #postfix here on freenode is a better place. make sure you read the /topic when you enter the channel, it's very important.
[13:04] <leftyfb> weedmic: regardless, this discussion should really belong in #ubuntu-server
[13:04] <weedmic> i think something was lost in translation,this should have been a 2 minute issue
[13:07] <leftyfb> weedmic: use ssmtp and an external mailhub and be done with it
[13:08] <blackflow> weedmic: leftyfb: in which case I recommed dma over ssmtp. ssmtp is abandonware. dma is actively developed
[13:08] <blackflow> !info dma bionic
[13:09] <leftyfb> blackflow: ah, didn't know about dma. And haven't followed ssmtp's development. I only require 587 outbound so not much of a security issue
[13:09] <blackflow> leftyfb: bugs keep piling up and there's really no central upstream site you can work with, it's a debian something-something project.  it has some problems with revaliases iirc, reported long time ago but nobody cares about fixing it.
[13:10] <blackflow> there's another alternative, I forgot the name... similar to "ssmtp"
[13:11] <blackflow> !info msmtp bionic
[13:11] <blackflow> that :)
[13:13] <leftyfb> TIL :)
[13:13] <blackflow> weedmic: it's even less than two minutes.   Install postfix, choose "Internet site" profile, modify main.cf to not listen on public ports. restart postfix. use any MUA capable of using local sendmail shim, like mutt or mailx. done.
[13:13] <leftyfb> Though any new machines that I need to send email from these days I just use postfix
[13:14] <weedmic> in suse, fyi, there is sendmail where you need do nothing for outgoing mail - and mutt to make it easy to send attachments - no configuration required, no setup.
[13:14] <weedmic> that is such a security risk - fyi
[13:14] <leftyfb> it is
[13:14] <blackflow> weedmic: "Sendmail" the whole server package?
[13:15] <weedmic> with an almost enriely remmed out configuration file.
[13:15] <blackflow> and don't confuse "no configuration requires, no setup" with "My distro has pre-configured everything for me".
[13:16] <weedmic> anyway - i need to figure out how to do this on ubuntu for the 2 / 300 servers that hve ubuntu - hopefully it will be the same for mint at least there are about 50 of those.
[13:16] <Sven_vB> somehow when programs accidentially print greyscale documents in color mode, my HP Color LaserJet CP1515n gives all the midgrey areas a purple-ish tint. any way to fix this in software?
[13:16] <blackflow> weedmic: if you hve that many servers you're doing this totally wrong. In this case you need one central Postfix, and use dma/msmtp on the other 299 servers
[13:19] <Sven_vB> is there a way to check whether it's a problem with the printer drivers, the firmware, actual hardware?
[13:19] <Sven_vB> or maybe a color profile or sth.?
[13:21] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: try it on a different computer?
[13:22] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, good idea. :)
[13:22] <Sven_vB> thanks
[13:29] <Sven_vB> argh. someone should reeeally rename the "Output mode: Grayscale" to "Output mode: black/white, gray = small dot patterns"
[13:29] <Sven_vB> in the config dialog made from /usr/share/system-config-printer/system-config-printer.py
[13:30] <Sven_vB> it's horrendous how CUPS can screw such things up for a printer that seems to understand PDF natively. (at least the windows driver offered that as alternative to PCL)
[13:33] <Sven_vB> and in "Job options" the "print-color-mode" always resets to color when I click apply. :(
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: are you using hplip control centre?
[13:34] <weedmic> blackflow: it is an industry wide practise to be able to send e-mail from a konsole from servers that are hidden and cannot receive.  I do not require nor desire a unified e-mail server.  I only wanted to translate it to ubuntu what we've done since 1995.  I'm close, and this helppage has been th e most helpful...  http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html - I removed sendmail
[13:34] <Sven_vB> lotuspsychje, nope. maybe I should try that. for now I'll just use eog, that works. just a hassle I need a GUI program to print my PDF.
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: hp printers, i always install hplip-gui and hplip-data
[13:35] <Sven_vB> oh maybe I should try postscript first
[13:35] <weedmic> postfix on null client
[13:38] <Sven_vB> weedmic, I use nullmailer for that
[13:41] <blackflow> weedmic: yes, and nothing I've said so far denies that practice. I'm afraid you don't know what it means to "send an email" and think having a central postfix with submission agents only on all other machines, is somehow not it.
[13:42] <blackflow> if you wish to install 300 postfix services, go ahea, but it's pointless.
[13:42] <blackflow> in fact, "hidden servers that cannot receive" are _precisely_ the use case for a central transport with submission only on all those "hidden" machines.
[13:43] <blackflow> Sven_vB: nullmailer requies an upstream server in order to deliver to final receipient, correct?
[13:44] <Sven_vB> blackflow, afaik no. afair it can attempt direct delivery, but that mode is very basic and doesn't handle edge cases very well.
[13:45] <Sven_vB> blackflow, it probably won't do stuff like DKIM either.
[13:46] <blackflow> Sven_vB: from what I read in the docs, it requires an external transport.
[13:47] <Sven_vB> blackflow, then I guess my config is a lucky accident to work.
[13:48] <weedmic> I'll post back when it is working - i've got the errors out, but have yet to receive messages.  the conf file is 5 lines long.
[13:49] <Sven_vB> blackflow, even then, you could reduce the maintenance effort for real SMTP servers to 1 server.
[13:49] <blackflow> right.
[13:50] <weedmic> I have an ubuntu machine I'm trying to setup as a nullserver so I can send files and message from root to me on my phone.  I have only postfix and mutt installed.  So if something else is required, like sendmail, let me know and I'll install it right away and restart postfix.  I'll post my config file shortly.
[13:51] <blackflow> weedmic: sendmail and postfix are conflicting each other. postfix has sendmail-compatible shim binary your mutt can use locally to send via postfix.
[13:51] <blackflow> lemme rephrase.... "Sendmail the server package" and "Postfix" are conflicting.
[13:52] <weedmic> https://pastebin.com/AwXqYqjy
[13:52] <weedmic> something seems missing/incomplete
[13:53] <weedmic> sendmail is not on this machine
[13:53] <blackflow> weedmic: lines 2 and 3 look like syntax errors with that $
[13:53] <blackflow> weedmic: please do yourself a favor and don't do this by trial and error. http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html    and there's #postfix here on freenode for additional help.
[13:54] <weedmic> I'm following the readme file I posted earlier
[13:54] <Sven_vB> weedmic, if all your phone accounts are on domains who share an MX, you could set that MX as your upstream SMTP server.
[13:54] <blackflow> weedmic: as I see you're in #postfix, this better be continued there.
[13:55] <weedmic> yes, the posting here was on error - the recen tone
[13:55] <blackflow> Sven_vB: been suggested before
[13:55] <Sven_vB> oh ok
[13:56] <weedmic> I believe you should simply have said you don't know and are unfamliar with what I was trying to do.  but I am doing the tests inside a container before I try it on a real server.  blackflow
[13:57] <blackflow> pretty sure I'm familiar with what you're trying to do, as I've been  maintaining our company mail infra for the past 10 years :)
[13:57] <blackflow> weedmic: but you aren't listening for advice and want to do it your way without fully understanding how these things work.
[13:58] <weedmic> as you wish
[13:59] <blackflow> it's not about what _I_ wish but what you should do if you want to get this working. you need a mail server. be it GMail, some other SMTP service, or your own Postfix installation. which needs proper configuration. I already told you the bare minimum you need with "Internet site" postfix config profile on Ubuntu.
[14:02] <weedmic> blackflow:  - bless your heart - i don't want internet site - i want null server
[14:03] <blackflow> weedmic: you need "Internet site" because that is the only default profile that allows you to send mail out. and like I said before, that's just PRE-config. you can take any profile and change it to do anything you need.
[14:03] <blackflow> weedmic: I'll again point at your problem: you're not LISTENING to advice but are doing your own thing and I'm about to be done with you and wishy ou good luck if you continue doing so.
[14:05] <Sven_vB> how do I get detail info on a CUPS print job? especially color mode options, which I can't find in http://localhost:631/jobs/25 .
[14:05] <Sven_vB> neither in lpq or lpstat
[14:20] <Sven_vB> ic, eog doesn't print grey either, just a more hi-res dotpattern using quality "best"
[14:20] <Sven_vB> well. gotta be good enough for today
[14:29] <Intelo> Compatible with ubuntu, looking for slimmest cheapest longest battery life laptop
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> Intelo: This channel specializes in supporting the Ubuntu Desktop OS and it's various flavors. For recommendations and polls, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:33] <Intelo> pragmaticenigma, thx
[15:13] <wanna_bee> hi
[15:14] <tomreyn> hi wanna_bee
[15:16] <Loeb> Dang I got pinged while I was asleep
[15:34] <tony_84> ciao a tutti
[15:34] <tony_84> ragazzi sentite ho un problema che è pratico co node.js ??
[15:34] <BluesKaj> !it | tony_84
[15:51] <shangul> Any one knows a multiplayer over network chess game?
[15:55] <shangul> I want to host it myself
[15:55] <ducasse> shangul: maybe xboard will do it, i haven't tried
[15:56] <shangul> just installing it
[15:58] <amine> hello
[15:59] <ducasse> shangul: see the description from 'apt show xboard'
[15:59] <amine> anyone experienced fan working non stop after latest update?
[15:59] <shangul> ducasse, thanks, I did it
[16:01] <tomreyn> !details | amine
[16:03] <Paavi2_0> i have recently made a mistake of doing "sudo apt autoremove" when suggested and cryptsetup-initramfs was removed. i have got encrypted root (or: /) directory and unencrypted /boot, can't now boot into my system and i can't figure out how to fix this. booting attempt drops to busybox (initramfs) prompt
[16:04] <Paavi2_0> how would i fix this?
[16:06] <CookieM> my 18.04-desktop is up-to-date, and a fan on ASUS-motherboard desktop computer is oscillating as always did
[16:07] <CookieM> I mean, revving and stopping
[16:12] <baris> hey there, a system upgrade and reboot stcuk me in a purple screen both on my laptop and my desktop. both running 18.04.2 any suggestions?
[16:13] <Loeb> How should I go about removing all traces of the nvidia driver by hand?
[16:13] <Loeb> I've tried doing apt install/remove/purges and using the nvidia installer's --uninstall option to no avail
[16:14] <baris> laptop's is black actually
[16:14] <baris> cannot seem to switch to a console, either
[16:15] <Loeb> baris, have you tried booting with nomodeset?
[16:15] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: one approach is to reinstall, the other (quite fiddly) is to chroot into this installation from a same-versioned ubuntu live/installer usb / dvd
[16:16] <baris> No, I did not. First time seeing something like this. Can you please tell me a bit more?
[16:16] <tomreyn> CookieM: is this a support question? if so, what's not working?
[16:18] <CookieM> tomreyn, I was referrring to amine ’s posting
[16:18] <tomreyn> oh i see, CookieM
[16:18] <Loeb> baris, https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu should cover it. You could remove the "quiet nosplash" part as well to see console output while it boots.
[16:19] <Loeb> After you get to a console you can look through dmesg for errors and what not.
[16:20] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: i would really like to avoid reinstalling. how crucial is the same-versioness? how would i tell which version i have got if i can't boot into the system and am not quite sure if it was 18.04 or 18.10?
[16:21] <baris> Loeb: I'll try thank you
[16:22] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: you can tell by the grub menu, it lists the available ubuntu installations and kernel verisons
[16:23] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: well actually it only lists the kernel versions, in the "advanced" menu
[16:23] <tomreyn> but this may be enough to identify the ubuntu version
[16:24] <goddard> Is it possible to use a proxy for a specific application?
[16:24] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: 4.18.0-17-lowlatency any idea which one would it be? any pointers on how i should proceed chrooting?
[16:24] <tomreyn> baris: what did you upgrade yours from + to? you mention 18.04.2, but not whether you upgraded to or from this, and what the other version is / was
[16:26] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: hmm this could be either 18.04.2 or 18.10. chances are it will work if you have a live cd which matches either of these, though
[16:26] <blackflow> goddard: http proxy?
[16:26] <goddard> blackflow: socks5
[16:27] <blackflow> goddard: well, the application needs to support it
[16:27] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: i'm saying same-version really just to make sure people won't use an ubuntu 16.04 or 14.04 dvd to try to recover a 18.04 installation.
[16:27] <blackflow> goddard: unless you containerize and do some NAT magick
[16:27] <goddard> blackflow: i see thanks
[16:28] <filifunky> Hi guys I'm in the mysql chat and they said I have to ask how to start mysqld.  I did the service mysqld start and got:Failed to start mysqld.service: Unit mysqld.service not found.  Is there another way to start this?
[16:28] <tomreyn> filifunky: try this: systemctl start mysql-server
[16:29] <filifunky> tomreyn: Failed to start mysql-server.service: Unit mysql-server.service not found.
[16:29] <blackflow> it's mysql.service (no d)
[16:29] <tomreyn> systemctl start mysql
[16:30] <filifunky> ok tomreyn that didn't give me an error
[16:30] <filifunky> thanks!
[16:30] <tomreyn> thanks blackflow
[16:31] <blackflow> filifunky: you can also try with tab completion next time you're unsure, or you can run systemctl list-units and grep
[16:31] <Loeb> looks like I needed to do a "dkms remove" on the driver to clean things up
[16:32] <Loeb> now I've gotta find out why it's not installing correctly when I try to put it back on
[16:32] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: is this an uefi system?
[16:32] <blackflow> Loeb: it = package?
[16:33] <filifunky> ahh thanks blackflow
[16:33] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: i don't think so
[16:33] <Loeb> blackflow, yeah nvidia-340
[16:33] <Loeb> Just installing via apt right now
[16:34] <blackflow> Loeb: and what was the problem eagain? I don't recall you mentioned it, other than asking how to purge nvidia .run installed files
[16:34] <blackflow> *again
[16:34] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: it gives me an option at powerup to enter bios settings, so fairly sure it is not uefi system
[16:35] <Loeb> blackflow, well to back up a bit, I had the 390 drivers installed (via ubuntu-drivers autoinstall if memory serves) and working, but I am trying to use a second nvidia card with hardware passthrough for a VM. The driver was hanging hard whenever I tried to unbind it from the secondary card so I wanted to try using the 340 driver instead.
[16:36] <blackflow> Loeb: why down instead up into 418 from the graphics PPA?
[16:36] <Loeb> All I'm trying to do is get the 340 drivers working, but it's been a mess of drivers half uninstalling and nothing installing correctly now.
[16:36] <blackflow> I mean if there's bugs, chances are they're solved in newer versions?
[16:36] <blackflow> Loeb: which ubuntu?
[16:36] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: ok, that's not the best proof, but we can assume so for now.
[16:36] <Loeb> blackflow, I may as well try that, I had these exact cards working fine on an older driver in debian before. I figured it was a bug introduced in a newer version
[16:37] <Loeb> xubuntu 18.something, one moment
[16:37] <Loeb> 18.10
[16:37] <Loeb> kernel is 5.0.3-asco if it matters
[16:38] <Loeb> I've jumped between that and the original 4.18_17 generic during this process because I believe the nvidia .run installer could't find the headers even though the package was installed in apt
[16:38] <cryptodan_mobile> Loeb: what cards
[16:39] <blackflow> Loeb: it matters. not sure nvidia 340 supports that new a kernel
[16:39] <Loeb> 750ti for the host, 950 for guest
[16:39] <cryptodan_mobile> Those are supported in newer drivers
[16:39] <Loeb> The 340 drivers conveniently don't support the 950 so vfio-pci grabs it on boot instead of the nvidia driver, which is what I want
[16:40] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: my assumption was that latest update and/or "apt autoremove" which removed cryptsetup-initramfs might have broken the system.
[16:40] <cryptodan_mobile> Then use nvidia 418
[16:40] <syncerton> Hi.  I need help with rsync.  I have 2 dirs: src and dest that are nearly identical except the timestamps (mtime) of subdirectories differ.  How can I use rsync (or something else) to copy src into dest such that the timestamps of subdirectories in dest will be equal to the latest of the two possible timestamps?  I think I can do this for files using "--update", but I can't figure out how to do this for subdirectories.
[16:41] <blackflow> Loeb: just keep in mind that you'll need to regularly check and upgrade drivers from the graphics PPA, they don't switch automatically, nor is there security fixes.
[16:41] <ChunkzZ> how can I get my external hdd to auto mount after it's turned off/on? I got it in fstab...
[16:41] <ChunkzZ> I gotta keep running the sudo mount command?
[16:41] <Loeb> I'll try 418. While I'm doing that, how should I go about preventing the nvidia driver from loading on the 950 during boot?
[16:41] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: sounds like a reasionable assumption. i'd say boot into the live / installer you have and open a temrinal
[16:42] <cryptodan_mobile> Dont think you can
[16:42] <blackflow> Loeb: the driver doesn't "load on a card". it loads as module in the kernel, then xorg (and via xorg.conf) takes over with specific device confiugrations
[16:42] <blackflow> Loeb: in other words, it should be possible to specify two Devices in xorg.conf, differentiated by pci slots
[16:42] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: roger that.
[16:43] <Loeb> So for my case I should be able to remove the unwanted device in xorg.conf and it should leave said device alone?
[16:43] <blackflow> Loeb: or infact, since that's kvm passthrough, you force just _one_ device for xorg on the host side, and pass through the other to the VM, having your host xorg ignore it
[16:43] <blackflow> Loeb: more like force-confiugre the _wanted_ host side device
[16:44] <blackflow> Loeb: this is just theory, I never tried that with same drivers, I used in-cpu intel for host and dgpu nvidia for the VMs
[16:45] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: this is what i get as an error at boottime if i try to boot from the internal ssd http://unikko.org/~paavi/boot.jpg
[16:47] <Loeb> Mirror is awfully slow today, must be under load from the new release or something
[16:48] <Loeb> "Awfully slow" being 500KB/s
[16:48] <tatertots> you got nothing better to do anyway...it's just time
[16:49] <Loeb> I've got places to be today, as much as I'd like to get this sorted out :p
[16:49] <blackflow> Loeb: the dancing disco dingo doggo is not yet out tho'
[16:49] <Loeb> I know I've had the mirrors come in at 10MB/s before and stuff like that, not sure why they're slower now.
[16:50] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: yes, so missing decryption utilities can be why this would happen. missing lvm2 could also be.
[16:50] <cryptodan_mobile> Dancing dingo tripped on a network cable
[16:50] <Loeb> Welp 418 didn't install correctly either
[16:51] <blackflow> cryptodan_mobile: the dog's on acid. it was just the question of when it'd trip up.   https://www.deviantart.com/sylviaritter/art/Disco-Dingo-786327017
[16:51] <Loeb> nvidia-smi fails and I've only got one monitor
[16:54] <Loeb> blackflow, anything else I can try in the next 5 min or so?
[16:55] <blackflow> Loeb: you could pastebin the exact errors you're getting, someone might spot something specific about it
[17:00] <SimonNL> times up
[17:00] <Loeb> I think the apt installer wasn't editing the xorg.conf
[17:00] <Loeb> I ran the official installer and let it make changes and that seems to have worked
[17:00] <Loeb> just enough time to try unbinding the driver again :)
[17:01] <blackflow> Loeb: xorg.conf is not used these days, or needed, except when you need to specifically change/force configs.
[17:02] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: i have tried using this https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd but obviously for only the chroot part and it did possibly did not work because the DE automounts the encrypted partition to which i should chroot under /media/username/uuid
[17:02] <Loeb> well I think the nvidia driver made SOME changes in the xorg/x config, I don't know where. I'll have to investigate later
[17:02] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: so i am trying to figure out how exactly i should execute this
[17:02] <Loeb> Also whatever changes I made last night trying to get vfio-pci to grab the 950 on boot have worked and I didn't need to detach the nvidia driver! Huzzah!
[17:03] <blackflow> Loeb: in the only place possible, /etc/X11/xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/...
[17:03] <Loeb> I think the xorg.conf didn't exist before, only files in xorg.conf.d/
[17:03] <Loeb> it might have gotten nuked at some point during all of the uninstalls and reinstalls?
[17:04] <blackflow> Loeb: there's nvidia-xconfig you can always run manually if you need a default to tweak. I don't know if the .run installer calls it
[17:04] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: i'm just trying to write somewhat generic instructions, give me another <= 5 minutes
[17:04] <blackflow> Loeb: also, apt won't touch files it doesn't care about or that have changed from default
[17:05] <blackflow> (when removing packages)
[17:05] <Loeb> I bet it (nvidia .run) does, but that's good to know, thank you.
[17:05] <Loeb> I imagine it was the nvidia uninstaller nuking it if anything
[17:06] <blackflow> Loeb: I'd really recommend you didn't use the .run installer. there's no advantage over packaged nvidia drivers, and there IS advantage with using regular packages.
[17:06] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: thanks :) i'll get a snack and pastebin my lsblk on the liveusb
[17:06] <Loeb> Normally that's what I do, but in this case I managed to mangle everything 8 ways from Sunday
[17:07] <Loeb> In any case, I think that's sorted now so I can focus on getting the VM side sorted out when I get back later.
[17:19] <tomreyn> Paavi: sorry, my network connection is shaky today. here you go: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CXxjvmtxBg/
[17:27] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: if cp says "x and y are the same file" is that an error? :O
[17:37] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: i probably did not get the "make resolver work in chroot" part right, since apt-get update gives a bunch of warnings with not being able to resolve this and that url
[17:38] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: i probably missed much of what you said, only received two lines from you since i posted to pastebin
[17:38] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: the easy but destructive approach is to rm /etc/resolv.conf (a symlink) and create a file there instead
[17:39] <tomreyn> nameserver 9.9.9.9
[17:39] <tomreyn> ^ sufficient content, the quad9.com resolver.
[17:40] <tomreyn> you'd need to delete this file in the end to make the system use your local system-resolved cache again
[17:41] <tomreyn> ...replacing it by a symlink to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[17:41] <Paavi2_0> got that. also, i only wrote two lines after your pastebin
[17:41] <tomreyn> ok
[17:42] <Paavi2_0> replacing that file worked. now i just am puzzled what is missing since it claims that cryptsetup and cryptsetup-initramfs are there.
[17:43] <Paavi2_0> probably lvm2, since that installed when i commanded: apt install lvm2
[17:44] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: yes, you'd need lvm2
[17:44] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: you'll also need to    update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -c
[17:45] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: when i installed lvm2 the tail after setting up bunch of packages apt said https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nfV3hKFWZQ/ do you think this would boot?
[17:46] <filifunky> Hi I'm trying to do a pip install mysql-python and I get an error:  Command "python setup.py egg_info" failed with error code 1 in /tmp/pip-build-o222zR/mysql-python/
[17:46] <filifunky> Is this the right place for this question?
[17:47] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: "cannot open /proc/mounts: No such file" is bad, suggests bind-mounting /proc failed before you entered the chroot
[17:47] <tomreyn> line 22 of my 'script'
[17:48] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: also, oops https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x4rS5K36v3/
[17:48] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: my finnish isnt so good. make sure that no file system has run full
[17:49] <filifunky> I have mysql running but can't get a python script to import MySQLdb
[17:49] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: you may actually need to     update-initramfs -k all -c    instead of what i wrote earlier.
[17:50] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: but fix the loop mounts first
[17:50] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: only /rofs is 100% according to df
[17:50] <tomreyn> ok this part is fine.
[17:52] <filifunky> nvm I think I'm figuring it out
[17:54] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: stupid question: should i exit chroot before bind mounting?
[17:54] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: yes, you need to
[17:54] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: personally i'd probably reboot into the live / installer again to start from a clean slate
[17:55] <tomreyn> and take note of the steps i am doing while going forward.
[17:57] <nomnom33> hi
[18:12] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: now i got to state where i see bootsplash of ubuntustudio but it still drops me to initramfs prompt. however now i can use cryptsetup.
[18:13] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: not sure how to proceed from here though.
[18:14] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: echo $REASON
[18:14] <tomreyn> should tell you why it dropped to initramfs this time
[18:18] <daddy0> how can i move the 'min, max, close' buttons in ubuntu 16.04 (unity) to the right side?
[18:18] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: it was about /dev/mapper/ubuntu--studio--vg-root not existing. i now have opened the encrypted partition and there is /dev/mapper/*
[18:20] <kadiro> hello, how to install an old kernel?
[18:21] <mra90> kadiro: sudo dpkg -i your_kernel.deb
[18:21] <kadiro> mra90, from the depo if possible
[18:21] <daddy0> is it even possible?
[18:23] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: so you can just mount it now?
[18:23] <tomreyn> you will need to lvmdiskscan
[18:23] <tomreyn> or pvscan
[18:25] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: mounting fails, i probably use wrong options, or missing something
[18:25] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: mounting what where?
[18:26] <mra90> in the netplan under ethernets: there is sth looking like ethernet name i.e etp0s3 - is it indeed ethernet device name?
[18:26] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: the crypto disk you luksOpen'd will likely ocntain an LVM PV
[18:27] <kadiro> mra90, I can't find an old version only from 4.15 ( apt-cache search linux-tools-4.15 )
[18:27] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: pvscan should detect it as such, vgscan and lvscan should detect vomume group and logical volumes. lvchange -a y /dev/ubuntu-studio-vg/root    will be needed before oyu can mount it.
[18:27] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: i seem to not have those at initramfs stage
[18:28] <Paavi2_0> i think i need a walk
[18:29] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: you're right, what you have is "lvm" or "lvm2". just run it without further arguments, this provides an interactive lvm> shell where oyu can then run the other commands i listed
[18:29] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: feel free to ping me later.
[18:32] <mra90> what is a gateway in netpan case
[18:33] <mra90> looks like ip of a target LAN pc
[18:35] <tomreyn> mra90: gateway is the usptream router that connects you to the internet, or to the next larger network
[18:35] <tomreyn> usually your internet access device
[18:35] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: the lvchange said that the device is busy :o
[18:36] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: so something already activated it, i guess
[18:37] <tomreyn> "lvs" should show it with status 'a' then
[18:41] <jmw> Where can I find collections of color schemes to install for gnome terminal? There's a few built-in, but it's not much
[18:41] <tomreyn> kadiro: why do you need toinstall an old kernel version?
[18:42] <kadiro> tomreyn, to use my remote control ( it was working in the past with the old module )
[18:43] <tomreyn> kadiro: you should try building this module on the current kernel
[18:44] <kadiro> tomreyn, I don't think so, that module was replaced
[18:44] <tomreyn> which module is it?
[18:44] <kadiro> tomreyn, It was calles lirc_serial and replaced with serial_ir
[18:45] <tomreyn> kadiro: which ubuntu version are you running?
[18:45] <kadiro> tomreyn, xubuntu, i think the latest
[18:46] <tomreyn> there are several 'the latest', depending on context. run:  lsb_release -ds
[18:46] <kadiro> tomreyn, Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[18:46] <kadiro> It is a fresh install
[18:47] <tomreyn> 18.04.2 provides both the 4.4 general availability (GA) and 4.18 hardware enablement (HWE) kernel. you can have both installed side by side.
[18:48] <tomreyn> is there documentation which states that serial_ir does not support your remote control?
[18:49] <kadiro> tomreyn, dunno but ir-keytable without loading serial_ir module gives no output
[18:49] <kadiro> and when loaded gives no output when manipulating with my remote
[18:50] <tomreyn> 4.4 provides lirc_serial, i think, so you should be able to make it work there
[18:50] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: would you think that reinstalling grub would work magic if the $REASON i am getting seems to be "/dev/mapper/[...] does not exist"?
[18:50] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: no
[18:50] <ioria> are you on Cosmic 18.10 , Paavi2_0 ?
[18:50] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: update-grub might
[18:51] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: that is what i meant, sorry
[18:51] <Paavi2_0> ioria: ubuntu studio
[18:51] <ioria> Paavi2_0, ok, but the version ?
[18:51] <Paavi2_0> ioria: possibly 18.10
[18:51] <tomreyn> if you run    lsb_release -ds    in the chroot, it will tell
[18:51] <kadiro> tomreyn, how to boot in 4.4
[18:52] <ioria> Paavi2_0, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1801629
[18:52] <Paavi2_0> ioria: ha, i suspected that but it did not show up when i was searching the web
[18:53] <tomreyn> kadiro: you install linux-image-generic, then reboot and repeatedly press escape to bring up the grub menu during boot. there you select advanced, then the 4.4 kernel
[18:53] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  for some reason 'apt autoremove' removes cryptsetup cryptsetup-bin cryptsetup-initramfs cryptsetup-run dmeventd libdevmapper-event1.02.1 liblvm2app2.2 liblvm2cmd2.02 libreadline5 lvm2
[18:53] <kadiro> tomreyn, thank you i will give it a shot
[18:53] <Paavi2_0> ioria: so, would installing them all fix my problem maybe?
[18:54] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  in theory, you boot the livecd; chroot; reinstall lvm2, cryptsetup and &  and update-initramfs -c -k all
[18:55] <Paavi2_0> i will look into it
[18:55] <tomreyn> sudo apt install cryptsetup lvm2
[18:56] <tomreyn> what ioria said ;)
[18:56] <Paavi2_0> those are sorted but i suspect there was some package i was missing
[18:56] <tomreyn> those two should provide all dependencies
[18:57] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  boot the livecd; install pastebinit; paste sudo parted -l (btw, we might have a problem with opening the disk, because it looks like we can't use a random  name, but exactly what /etc/crypttab says)
[19:02] <xedniv> is there anything i should know about bond interfaces with vlans/tagged? because i cant seem to get *any* routed traffic outside of the L2 subnet of the tagged vlan
[19:02] <xedniv> confirmed it's local too
[19:04] <Paavi2_0> ioria: i don't think that paste command works
[19:04] <kadiro> tomreyn, I'm in 18.04 but modprobe gives me this modprobe: FATAL: Module lirc_serial not found in directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-47-generic
[19:04] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  why ?
[19:05] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  did you boot the livecd ?
[19:05] <Paavi2_0> ioria: yes, or liveusb
[19:05] <Paavi2_0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VmQyc52XQR/
[19:05] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  do you have connectivity ?
[19:06] <tomreyn> kadiro: oh sorry, i forgot that the GA kernel is actually 4.15
[19:06] <tomreyn> not 4.4
[19:06] <kadiro> :'(
[19:06] <tomreyn> kadiro: 4.15 already comes with serial_ir, so you'll need to make your remote work with this either way.
[19:06] <Paavi2_0> ioria: i figured out it should be "sudo parted -l | pastebinit", see the output above
[19:06] <kadiro> tomreyn, 3 day with few sleep but no success
[19:07] <kadiro> tried every docs, site web manpage nothing
[19:07] <BigBrothyr> does lubuntu not support themes?
[19:07] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  mount | pastebinit
[19:08] <tomreyn> kadiro: which remote is it?
[19:08] <kadiro> tomreyn, it is a 100TS035 from skystar2 dvbs
[19:09] <kadiro> technisat
[19:09] <tatertots> xedniv: are you sure you're doing it right?
[19:10] <tatertots> xedniv: it's highly likely you are not
[19:10] <kadiro> tomreyn, It is a serial transmitter if that can help
[19:11] <tatertots> xedniv: you will be told to go to #networking and or #ubuntu-server...(or if i'm psychic you've already heard that line before)...but you can always chat with me my friend
[19:11] <tomreyn> kadiro: hmm, i have very little understanding of IR remotes, maybe try asking in ##linux as well
[19:11] <tatertots> xedniv: good luck in your endeavors
[19:12] <kadiro> tomreyn, thanks for your time and help
[19:12] <tomreyn> kadiro: does the DVB-S card itself still work though?
[19:12] <kadiro> tomreyn, yes tried with vdr it work
[19:13] <tomreyn> kadiro: i see. hmm, you could always install ubuntu 16.04.6 instead
[19:13] <kadiro> with lirc installed the mode2 command gives output but no irw or irexec
[19:13] <tomreyn> maybe in a VM with PCI passthrough would also work.
[19:14] <tomreyn> that's over my head already, i'm afraid.
[19:14] <kadiro> tomreyn, yeah i thinked about that but my pc is old
[19:14] <kadiro> thanks no worry
[19:14] <tomreyn> don't try to use ubuntu 18.04 with an older kernel, though,this will just get you into more trouble.
[19:15] <kadiro> tomreyn, I will dig again on the web may be there is something i didn't test yet
[19:16] <tomreyn> good luck!
[19:16] <kadiro> thank you tomreyn
[19:16] <Paavi2_0> now i have totally forgotten how should i mount the lvm on liveusb
[19:17] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  mount | pastebinit
[19:17] <Paavi2_0> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J5YdG7f5BK/
[19:18] <ioria> Paavi2_0,   sudo apt install cryptsetup lvm2
[19:18] <Paavi2_0> says that both are installed
[19:19] <ioria> Paavi2_0,   sudo vgscan  | pastebinit
[19:20] <guntbert> pwd
[19:21] <Paavi2_0> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4JgddKrrnN/
[19:22] <ioria> Paavi2_0,   sudo mount /dev/ubuntu-studio-vg   /mnt
[19:23] <tomreyn> ioria: i think this is an LVM2 volume group, wont (immediately) contain a mountable file system
[19:24] <tomreyn> pvs + vgs +lvs
[19:24] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  mm,what the cmd returns ?
[19:28] <deanc> I have a binary I have compiled, I placed it in ~/bin, I gave it executable flags chmod +x binname - how can i make sure when i type "binname" it runs it?
[19:29] <deanc> i see the $HOME/bin is in ~/.profile
[19:29] <Paavi2_0> ioria: is not a block device
[19:29] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  yeo
[19:29] <xamithan> is ~/bin in your $PATH ?
[19:30] <xamithan> If not,  it won't run when you do "binname"
[19:30] <slacker_nl> deanc: it should be in your PATH
[19:30] <deanc> slacker_nl: xamithan: i can see it's added in my ~/.profile
[19:30] <deanc> deafult ubuntu 18.04
[19:30] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 sda5_crypt
[19:30] <slacker_nl> deanc: that says nothing
[19:30] <slacker_nl> env | grep PATH
[19:30] <slacker_nl> or echo $PATH
[19:31] <Paavi2_0> ioria: that is actually what i already have done
[19:31] <xamithan> do echo $PATH.  if it says /home/user/bin it'll work
[19:31] <deanc> here: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[19:31] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  and you vcannot  mount /dev/ubuntu-studio-vg  ?
[19:31] <Paavi2_0> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cTHHjwPwjn/
[19:31] <slacker_nl> deanc: it's not in your PATH
[19:32] <slacker_nl> deanc: what does your .profile say? grep HOME .profile is enough
[19:32] <ioria> Paavi2_0,   sudo mount /dev/ubuntu--studio--vg-root  /mnt
[19:32] <deanc> slacker_nl: https://pastebin.com/fnwDYYs7 here is an extract
[19:32] <xamithan> Either throw it somewhere like /usr/local/bin/ or edit the path
[19:32] <slacker_nl> k
[19:32] <slacker_nl> which shell are you using?
[19:33] <deanc> bash
[19:33] <slacker_nl> I guess $HOME/bin isn't a dir
[19:33] <deanc> I bet this is because i only just created this directory in this session
[19:33] <slacker_nl> yes
[19:33] <deanc> :)
[19:33] <Paavi2_0> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5B79sWCvNz/
[19:33] <slacker_nl> do source .profile
[19:33] <slacker_nl> or just . .profile
[19:33] <xedniv> tatertots, i verified... L2 subnet traffic works no prob. external doesnt. it seems different gateways for the vlan interfaces fucks it up.
[19:34] <xedniv> firewall also isnt blocking anything (local is flushed/blank tables, WAN/main physical fw is not blocking that traffic either)
[19:34] <xedniv> verified also the states/tables on memory
[19:34] <deanc> thanks slacker_nl:)
[19:34] <ioria> Paavi2_0,   vgchange -ay
[19:34] <xedniv> ill check ubuntu-server though :)
[19:34] <xedniv> join #ubuntu-server
[19:36] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: the system which reported "unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'" must not have lvm2 installed
[19:36] <tomreyn> i mean it apparently isnt installed, but should be
[19:38] <ioria> Paavi2_0, after that, again     sudo mount /dev/ubuntu--studio--vg-root  /mnt
[19:38] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: but it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DHgrBxq6S4/
[19:40] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: so are the "lvmdiskscan", "pvs", "vgs", "lvs" commands available?
[19:41] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: yes, they are
[19:41] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: run them and share their outputs
[19:41] <mra90> I made a netplan like this https://pastebin.com/nnYxbQh6 in order to create local lan betwen ubuntu 18.04 and win7
[19:41] <mra90> however windows doesn
[19:42] <mra90> dosn't see ethernet cable being connected
[19:42] <mra90> what may be wrong?
[19:43] <mra90> I am also not sure about "enp0s3" in my netplan script - should it be my ethernet device name?
[19:43] <xamithan> Sounds like a windows problem to me
[19:44] <mra90> xamithan: well no, connection with other windows laptop works
[19:44] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QQ6JTrwchp/
[19:44] <mra90> btw, after applying this netplan, when I do 'ifconfig' I don't see a record for my static ip
[19:45] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: sorry for the formatting :D i think you'll figure out which is which
[19:45] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  again     sudo mount /dev/ubuntu--studio--vg-root  /mnt
[19:47] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: yes that's fine. so /dev/mapper/ubuntu--studio--vg-root is actually a physical volume according to this, that's a bit wrid.
[19:47] <Paavi2_0> ioria: special device [...] does not exist
[19:47] <xamithan> Well the syntax looks good mra90.  if it doesn't show up in "ip a" you might need to restart networking or reboot
[19:47] <tomreyn> *weird
[19:48] <ioria> Paavi2_0,  sudo apt install --reinstall cryptsetup cryptsetup-bin cryptsetup-initramfs cryptsetup-run dmeventd libdevmapper-event1.02.1 liblvm2app2.2 liblvm2cmd2.02 libreadline5 lvm2
[19:49] <mra90> xamithan: but in that script, I don't know if you noticed or now but I missed the renderer!
[19:49] <mra90> also which one to choose
[19:49] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: i think the problem there right now is that you have a physical volume at the very same location / device node where a logical volume contained in it would be mounted from
[19:50] <mra90> how to know which one
[19:50] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: i suspect you may have renamed the physical colume or something?
[19:50] <xamithan> networkd or networkmanager
[19:50] <tomreyn> *volume
[19:50] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: accidentally maybe
[19:50] <Paavi2_0> i have lost track here
[19:51] <mra90> xamithan: can I freely choose either one?
[19:51] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: i guess you should now     swapoff /dev/ubuntu-studio-vg/swap_1
[19:51] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: lvchange -an /dev/ubuntu-studio-vg/swap_1
[19:51] <xamithan> If you got them both installed sure.  I think networkmanager is installed on most DEs
[19:52] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: vgchange -a n /dev/ubuntu-studio-vg
[19:52] <mra90> xamithan: I am reboting now, but I doubt it will help
[19:53] <mra90> xamithan: also, this "enp0s3" from my script is just some arbitrary name for ethernet I could come up with?
[19:53] <mra90> or should perfectly mach my eth device name
[19:54] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: swapoff returns "invalid argument"
[19:54] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: so skip this line and continue
[19:54] <xamithan> It should be your ethernet name,  the one that shows up in "ip a"
[19:55] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: 0 logical volume(s) in volume group "ubuntu-studio-vg" now active
[19:56] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: good, can you show "pvs" and "pvdisplay" and "dmsetup ls" now
[19:56] <mra90> xamithan: it shows two records 1: lo <loopback>...
[19:56] <mra90> and 2: wlp0s1f0
[19:56] <xamithan> wlp0s1f0 is your ethernet then i'm assuming,  use that in the config
[19:57] <xamithan> Unless that's a wifi
[19:57] <cryptodan_mobile> That should be wifi
[19:57] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F4qYR8XK3h/
[19:57] <Paavi2_0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xcz8g6fkYW/
[19:57] <Paavi2_0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9B9CqqWj7R/
[19:58] <Biessie> Whats up ganga@
[19:58] <Biessie> Gang!**
[19:58] <Biessie> Hope everyone is having a great sunday!
[19:58] <mra90> xamithan: I did change the name in the script from enp0s3 to wlp0s1f0 but still nothing in ifconfig other than localhost
[19:59] <mra90> I also have to add that I do use external(usb) network card
[19:59] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: on the second paste, "PV Name"should really be something like /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt rather. don't try to change it now, though
[19:59] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: dmsetup remove ubuntu--studio--vg-root
[20:00] <tomreyn> this *may* fail
[20:00] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: blame the installer
[20:00] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: as superuser?
[20:00] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: i think i need to blame whoever did the cryptsetup luksOpen
[20:01] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: yes, sudo, sorry
[20:01] <mra90> also, I don't see that usb externa; network card under lsusb
[20:01] <mra90> what is wrong?
[20:01] <tomreyn> !chat | Biessie
[20:01] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: it returned with nothing, so i assume a great success
[20:02] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: then "dmsetup ls" should list no devices now
[20:02] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: correct
[20:02] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: does /dev/mapper/ubuntu--studio--vg-root still exist?
[20:03] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: what does    sudo ls /dev/mapper/     show now
[20:04] <Biessie> tomreyn : My bad
[20:04] <tomreyn> Biessie: no worries ;)
[20:04] <xamithan> mra90 either the adapter is bad or maybe it has no driver.  if you replug it does it show up in dmesg ?
[20:06] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: /dev/mapper seems to be otherwise empty but there is control
[20:06] <mra90> xamithan: no, nothing new in dmesg
[20:06] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04/gnome xorg How to activate numlockx at login
[20:07] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: hmm okay then let's do cryptsetup again: sudo cryptseup luksOpen /dev/sda5 sda5_crypt
[20:07] <xamithan> I'd try that adapter on another computer,  maybe it's broken.  I don't know much about those things though
[20:08] <sere_> whats a good sync program
[20:08] <xamithan> rsync
[20:09] <mra90> xamithan: it work OK on other computers
[20:09] <mra90> works*
[20:09] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: any luck with decrypting it?
[20:10] <tomreyn> (are you sure it actually is encrypted?)
[20:12] <mra90> xamithan: however when the network is well configured it work - I know because @ work it is working OK
[20:13] <xamithan> Doesn't matter how it's configured if that ethernet won't show up
[20:13] <mra90> hmm so how to add that USB device maualy?
[20:13] <SimonNL> mra90: take the apator out of the port, put it back in and  copy/paste   tail -40|dmesg|nc termbin.com 9999    show appearing link
[20:14] <SimonNL> adaptor*
[20:14] <xamithan> He said it doesn't show up in dmesg already SimonNL
[20:14] <mra90> SimonNL: dmesg is empty after unplug follwed by plug
[20:14] <xamithan> I'd probably try to find out the chipset of the device and see if you can install some drivers for it
[20:14] <tapflog> hi@ll, how can i search for an open port (e.g. 59999), if this port is not open do: "tmux new -d -s [01]SessionNAME /home/user/folder/script.sh"??
[20:14] <SimonNL> seen that but my name is tomas
[20:15] <xamithan> Some chipsets just don't work on linux
[20:15] <mra90> xamithan: but as I already said it works when I am at work o.O
[20:15] <SimonNL> sorry to hear that mra90 good luck
[20:15] <xamithan> On the same laptop and adapter?  You did something to it then between work and where you at now
[20:16] <mra90> xamithan: same laptop different adapter
[20:16] <SimonNL> never heard of an empty dmesg before
[20:16] <mra90> however I am sure it works ok since it does with windows
[20:16] <xamithan> different adapter ok,  it's probably a different chipset and you need the driver
[20:17] <mra90> its exactly the same producer
[20:17] <mra90> same modle
[20:17] <tomreyn> xamithan: i think the issue is just that one of the two nic's he's connecting directly with an ethernet cable doesn't support auto switching (crossover)
[20:17] <mra90> only mac is different I guess
[20:17] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: decrypted
[20:17] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: using which command? the one i provided?
[20:17] <SimonNL> mra90: run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post the URL after the second command is run
[20:17] <xamithan> tomreyn: Maybe but I don't think so.  They claim they connected it to a windows machine and it works
[20:18] <tomreyn> xamithan: oh ok, sorry then, i didn't follow the whole thing
[20:18] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: with your command. shows immediately in filemanager as well under /media/ubuntu-studio/92ef6cb0-f51c-448b-928d-11d090552ef4/
[20:18] <mra90> exactly works with windows
[20:18] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: okay, you will need to unmount he one mounted at /media/ubuntu-studio/92ef6cb0-f51c-448b-928d-11d090552ef4/
[20:18] <tomreyn> sudo umount /media/ubuntu-studio/92ef6cb0-f51c-448b-928d-11d090552ef4/
[20:19] <mra90> SimonNL: these coands make no sense?
[20:19] <mra90> its not wireless
[20:19] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: check
[20:20] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: is there anything else mounted in /media ?
[20:20] <tomreyn> sudo ls -laR /media/
[20:20] <tomreyn> should only show empty directories and '.' and '..'
[20:21] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: about yes https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R9TgFFY9pF/
[20:22] <SimonNL> mra90: ok had a read back and now see your problem is not what I thought it was
[20:22] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: okay, now you should be able to    sudo mount /dev/ubuntu-studio-vg/root /target
[20:23] <mra90> first of all I need to find out whay ubuntu doesn't recognize pluged device?
[20:23] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: yes i was
[20:23] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: and if this worked, you can continue from where you had left off
[20:23] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04/gnome xorg How to activate numlockx at login
[20:24] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: thanks mate. i feel like i owe you a three course dinner.
[20:24] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: not needed, i had a 2 course dinner just before we started
[20:24] <tomreyn> thats also why i couldnt help right away
[20:24] <tomreyn> plus you seemed not to want to share so many system details
[20:25] <Paavi2_0> well, thanks anyways. also did not know right away what was crucial.
[20:28] <timbozeman> I'm loving 18.04. I sure miss snapping windows to corners though. I loved how if you had a vertical monitor you could snap it to the corner and it would take up half the screen. I can't seem to find a way to do it in 18.04. The gTile extension is okay, but a ton more clicks than snapping to a corner.
[20:28] <Nico1990> Hey guys
[20:31] <Nico1990> Anyone in here?
[20:31] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: yes, i should have asked.
[20:31] <tomreyn> Nico1990: a bunch, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:31] <M_aD> Nico1990: if you have a support question just ask
[20:31] <Nico1990> Yes, it's about a synaptic touchpad driver
[20:32] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04/gnome xorg How to activate numlockx at login
[20:32] <tomreyn> timbozeman: use the ShellTile extension instead
[20:33] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: we can continue together if you'd like to
[20:34] <tapflog> hi@ll, how can i search for an open port (e.g. 59999), if this port is not open do: "tmux new -d -s [01]SessionNAME /home/user/folder/script.sh"??
[20:34] <Nico1990> I found that this synaptic touchpad bug wont let you activate a touchpad mouse on a laptop. I already tried editing the grub file and I installed the synaptic input package. Still not working
[20:35] <tomreyn> Nico1990: running this in a terminal window will tell us whch ubuntu version you run there:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[20:36] <tomreyn> that is, it will print a web address you can post here
[20:36] <tomreyn> texla: i don't remember, but am pretty sure you can find this on askubuntu, have you searched, yetß
[20:36] <tomreyn> ?
[20:37] <tomreyn> "gnome-shell" may be a better search term than "gnome"
[20:38] <Nico1990> tomreyn: This is my output from that command: https://termbin.com/srpz
[20:39] <tomreyn> Nico1990: okay, you run ubuntu 18.04.2 with the default (general availability / GA) kernel image. and the non default "i8042.reset" linux kernel parameter.
[20:40] <tomreyn> Nico1990: so you're saying something is not working with your touchpad. what exactly, and which hardware is this? this command will tell about the hardware (only):   journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[20:41] <tomreyn> texla: did oyu find it, yet?
[20:42] <Paavi2_0> do you think this is fatal? 'update-initramfs -u -k all' outputs http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VCtm9K93P2/
[20:42] <Nico1990> tomreyn: The problem is that it wont work at all, no move input, primary click and secondary click wont respond. I will give you the output of that comand in a second
[20:42] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: no, why would it be?
[20:43] <Nico1990> tomreyn: nico-CX-Nice-Evo-II kernel: DMI: ADVANTEC SA CX Nice Evo II/C15B, BIOS C15B.608 11/13/2013
[20:45] <tomreyn> Nico1990: interesting, i never heard of this company. mayb you can post the full kernel log after a reboot? after rebooting, run: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:47] <texla> tomreyn, Thanks the gnome-shell to gdm worked just fine !!
[20:47] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Yes, it's a 'interesting' machine this one. I'll right back with that output
[20:47] <tomreyn> texla: nice
[20:48] <tomreyn> Nico1990: can you also check the bottom of the computer fo a label which says the exact model? it should say CXnnnn... where nnnn are numbers
[20:49] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Yes sure, it's CX227xx
[20:50] <tomreyn> so it's one of these models:  CX22701 CX22701W CX22702 CX22702W CX22703 CX22703W CX22704 CX22704W CX22704WP CX22705 CX22705W CX22706 CX22706W CX22706WP CX22707 CX22707W CX22752 CX22753 CX22754 CX22754W7
[20:50] <tomreyn> it doesn't say exactly?
[20:51] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Let me see, just a sec
[20:53] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Not a single clue about what model it's in the entire computer
[20:53] <tomreyn> ok, that's fine
[20:53] <jeremy31> Nico1990: could check in terminal> sudo dmidecode | grep -i cx227
[20:54] <Nico1990> jeremy31: I get no output from that command
[20:55] <tomreyn> Nico1990: so, after rebooting, run: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:56] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Sure, let me reboot for a sec
[20:58] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: it now boots.
[20:58] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: yeay! good job!
[20:59] <Paavi2_0> ioria seems to be gone, but was helpful too. i also did upgrade-grub but do not know if that was neccessary.
[20:59] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: be sure to keep those notes on how to setup the chroot, you might need them again. and be sure to always have a current bootable ubuntu usb stick around.
[21:00] <Paavi2_0>  /target and /target/dev would not unmount, but a clean reboot sorted that out.
[21:00] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: it was probably just the initramfs due to lvm2 removal.
[21:00] <tomreyn> hmm yes, that can happen
[21:01] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: roger on both. i have the stick. i also think it was initramfs and lvm2 but also missing cryptsetup.
[21:03] <tomreyn> i see. so lvm2 and cryptsetup are now marked as manually installed, should not get removed automatically when you run apt-get autoremove
[21:03] <tomreyn> but generally it always prompts, right? ;-)
[21:03] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Well, this is my output after reboot: https://termbin.com/g37d
[21:05] <tomreyn> Nico1990: and this happens when you try to access the download directory of your laptop vendors' support werbsite: http://www.redcx.com/download_files/C15B/
[21:05] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: i tend to trust system to tell the truth about "no longer needed". i'd better be slightly more paranoid.
[21:05] <tomreyn> Paavi2_0: it's a bug, which is being worked on
[21:06] <tomreyn> i think ioria pointed you to it earlier. you could subscribe to it.
 Paavi2_0, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1801629
[21:06] <Paavi2_0> tomreyn: i saw that. and yes, ioria pointed it out to me.
[21:06] <tomreyn> Nico1990: i'll have a look at your log now, this will take a few minutes, please stand by.
[21:12] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Yes, that error it's there for while now. I guess i'll keep going with wired mouse for now
[21:13] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Thanks for the help
[21:14] <tomreyn> Nico1990: so the "KYE SYSTEMS CORP. Wired Mouse" is a mouse you attached separately, right?
[21:14] <tomreyn> apparently your touchpad is not detected at all by linux.
[21:15] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Yes, it's a usb mouse
[21:15] <tomreyn> there are several acpi issues on your system. i assume this is not related, but it could cause issues with power saving, noisy fans, suspend + resume
[21:17] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Well, about power I think that wont be a problem mainly because this computer's integrated battery is almost death so is running with a wired charger all the time
[21:17] <ubuntu123> hello all new linux user here
[21:18] <tomreyn> Nico1990: ok. you could try to get support here, at least have them tell you which touchpad model you have exactly. http://redcx.com/servicio-tecnico/
[21:19] <tomreyn> hello ubuntu123, welcome to the support channel
[21:19] <jhutchins> Nico1990: You might look for relevant settings in the BIOS.  Legacy keyboard/mouse is sometimes available/useful.
[21:19] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Allright, I'll try that for sure
[21:21] <Nico1990> jhutchins: Yes, I came across on BIOS settings on ubuntu's forums today. I still couldn't try that but I'll take a look
[21:22] <jeremy31> Nico1990: Might also want to see if there is a BIOS update available as ACPI issues could cause the touchpad to not be detected
[21:23] <tomreyn> not from their download page, no, they only offer windows drivers
[21:23] <tomreyn> but it may be through a support request
[21:24] <Nico1990> The strange part is that this touchpad is well recognized by Windows, but no support in linux
[21:24] <tomreyn> the driver they offer for windows is a standard synaptics touchpad driver
[21:25] <jeremy31> No sign of a synaptics touchpad detected in the paste
[21:27] <tomreyn> right
[21:27] <tomreyn> maybe !HWE sourld be worth a try, Nico1990
[21:27] <tomreyn> !hwe | Nico1990
[21:28] <tomreyn> i.e.:  sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04
[21:28] <tomreyn> then reboot
[21:28] <Nico1990> tomreyn: I'll try it
[21:30] <tomreyn> Nico1990: after rebooting, run: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:31] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Yes, I'll run it
[21:53] <Nico1990> tomreyn: This is my output after rebooting: https://termbin.com/y82h
[22:02] <tomreyn> Nico1990: so this looks very similar to before really. but while reading it again, i noticed that the usb device at  "usb 3-10" (search this on the logs you posted for more context) failed to be detected.
[22:03] <tomreyn> i suspect this may be the synaptics touchpad. i also saw this message now  "usb: port power management may be unreliable"
[22:04] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Gets a lot of error and basically it wont respond for what I see on the logs
[22:04] <tomreyn> so it's possible that insufficient power supply on the usb (which may be a result of those acpi issues) causes this issue.
[22:04] <Nico1990> tomreyn: right
[22:05] <tomreyn> you could try this: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html (read very carefully, it's a bit complicated)
[22:06] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Allright, let me see
[22:06] <tomreyn> your hardware is ADVANTEC SA CX Nice Evo II/C15B  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200M CPU @ 2.50GHz. windows dirvers are at http://redcx.com/drivers/#driver_list_876 - but no bios updates
[22:07] <tomreyn> you could also try unplugging all your usb devices which you don't strictly need, including the mouse, ad see if this helps detecting the touchpad
[22:07] <jeremy31> Nico1990: ^ +1
[22:08] <tomreyn> (you can still navigate and ctrl-alt-f3 by keyboard, login there, run commands there)
[22:09] <Nico1990> tomreyn: I already tried unplugging all my usb devices but no luck on the touchpad
[22:10] <jeremy31> Nico1990: You may have to reboot with USB devices unplugged
[22:11] <tomreyn> see also if you have usb related options on the bios configuration which might help with it
[22:15] <nightrocker> hi
[22:15] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Allright, I saw that in your link gives great solutions about acpi_osi which it's most possible the problem but I'll try rebooting with no usb mouse and the BIOS first and see what happens
[22:17] <tomreyn> hi nightrocker
[22:17] <Xe> My ubuntu 18.04 machine isn't creating core dumps anywhere I can find. I have killed apport (systemctl stop apport). Where is the default core location?
[22:18] <EriC^^> xe: i think it's /var/crash
[22:18] <tomreyn> Xe: it pipes into apport by default:  sysctl kernel.core_pattern
[22:20] <Xe> tomreyn: stopping apport via systemctl stop apport is supposed to return core dumps to the normal proess though
[22:20] <mra90> does scp work only between two linu machines?
[22:20] <tomreyn> apport then parses the core file, adds additional information and places this in /var/crash, then, if it is a 'reportable bug', it is uploaded it to errors.ubuntu.com or launchpad.net
[22:20] <mra90> or I can use it to copy from ubuntu to windows10?
[22:20] <Xe> i actually want the core file so i can load it into my debugger
[22:21] <tomreyn> Xe: i'm not aware that 'stopping apport via systemctl stop apport is supposed to return core dumps to the normal proess though' - could well be, but it's new to me.
[22:22] <Xe> tomreyn: is there a way to tell apport to actually give me the real core file though?
[22:23] <tomreyn> i dont know.. but you can always change the setting i pointed you to to no longer pipe into apport
[22:25] <tomreyn> it's also easily tested. just run "cat &" so it backgrounds and prints the pid, then kill -11 the PID
[22:25] <tomreyn> might need to fg the process, too.
[22:27] <Xe> tomreyn: changing that setting, even after following the pattern in man 5 core_dump has no effect
[22:27] <tomreyn> Xe: can you point me to where you read that "stopping apport via systemctl stop apport is supposed to return core dumps to the normal proess"?
[22:28] <tomreyn> you mean core(5), right?
[22:28] <Xe> eh, i'm going to just replicate this on a non-ubuntu server so i don't have to fight apport
[22:28] <Xe> o/
[22:34] <dsi> anyone good with launchpad? I got  this error: "Rejected: ...dsc: Unknown section '-'"
[22:36] <tomreyn> /join #launchpad
[22:36] <tomreyn> looks like more a packaging issue, though
[22:37] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-app-devel then
[22:38] <konrados> Hello, I have a second machine (desktop pc) and it is completely different from what I have now, but, I'm gonna just attach my current system disk to it (with ubuntu) and boot from it, should I be prepared for any surprises with my plan? It's not something egotistic or anything, just a typical cheap motherboard.
[22:38] <voi> i installed ubunto on a vm in virtualbox. when i scan with nmap it works, but when i scan with sudo nmap, i get "failed ot open device". why is that?
[22:39] <tomreyn> konrados: if the old system was bios booting and the new sytem is uefi booting, it won't boot like this.
[22:39] <tomreyn> konrados: also the other way around, but that's much less likely, uefi being the newer standard.
[22:40] <konrados> oh, new terms for me, let me google "uefi booting" :)
[22:40] <tomreyn> or "standard" rather
[22:41] <tomreyn> voi: maybe the virtualization doesn't provide you with raw socket access
[22:42] <tomreyn> well sockets probably, but not direct access to the NIC.
[22:44] <voi> tomreyn, thanks
[22:46] <Nico1990> Allright, acpi_osi  seems to ignore me completly or my touchpad doesn't like at all linux, at least I tried
[22:47] <Nico1990> tomreyn: Thank you for your help btw.
[22:48] <konrados> tomreyn, ok, I did some reading, this is a quite old motherboard - https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B85M/index.asp and they say in the 'bios' section: "64Mb AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with Multilingual GUI support" so, it seems it will boot?
[22:49] <tomreyn> Nico1990: so what did you have as the kernel parameter in grub in the end?
[22:51] <tomreyn> konrados: i'm not sure what this means, i suspect it is an UEFI firmware with compatibility support module (optional, non default BIOS backward compatibility mode)
[22:52] <unlimiter> Hello, I'm on Xubuntu 18.04, and I don't know how to disable mouse movement as page scrolling with keypad...
[22:53] <tomreyn> konrados: so i'm guessing that it will be uefi booting when you reset it to vendor / manufacturer defaults. this is really a ##hardware topic, entirely unrelated to #ubuntu
[22:53] <unlimiter> i remembered setting that with 'setxkbmap -option keypad:pointerkeys'
[22:53] <Nico1990> tomreyn: This is my grub kernel output: https://termbin.com/54qi
[22:54] <unlimiter> and page scrolling*
[22:54] <konrados> tomreyn, ok, thanks! But... can I prepare for the surprises by just having a bootable pendrive with ubuntu, and then eventually reinstall it?
[22:55] <tomreyn> Nico1990: yes this looks like it could have worked. if the other command provided on this page returned "Windows 2013" as the best choice. you can always try some other values, too.
[22:55] <tomreyn> konrados: this, and backups, sure.
[22:56] <konrados> tomreyn, yes, backups are made, so now heading to creating the pendrive, thank you!
[22:57] <konrados> actually... I now have a reason to go from 16 to 18 :)
[23:07] <martinda14> Hi. I saved data to an external ext4fs usb drive in yakkety but when I try to read it with in bionic beaver it complains that the ext4 format is old... how do I fix this?
[23:09] <EriC^^> martinda14: can you paste any errors?
[23:10] <martinda14> fdisk says "The old ext4 signature will be removed bya write command"
[23:10] <RAW_> do any real time chat rooms still exist
[23:11] <martinda14> and mount says "unable to read super block at address /dev/sdb1"
[23:11] <martinda14> has ext4 changed between two ubuntu versions?
[23:12] <Nico1990> tomreyn: I tried all the options with the kernel grub file and no luck. I'm gonna have to leave it there before I end up switching to Windows from the headache
[23:27] <unlimiter> How do I disable arrow keys simulation through keypad?
[23:27] <tomreyn> martinda14: what does   sudo file -s /dev/sdb1   say?
[23:28] <unlimiter> when i disable keypad, and then press for example '4', it simulates the left arrow key
[23:29] <tomreyn> unlimiter: this sounds like yuo didn't disable the keypad entirely, just switched numlock.
[23:29] <unlimiter> yes
[23:29] <unlimiter> just pressing the numlock
[23:29] <martinda14> tomreyn: /dev/sdb1: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=9dcc735f-33e4-4855-8b78-39af4b542032 (needs journal recovery) (extents) (64bit) (large files) (huge files)
[23:30] <tomreyn> martinda14: needs journal recovery, run fsck
[23:31] <martinda14> do I need to mount?
[23:31] <martinda14> probly not...
[23:31] <tomreyn> no, you must not
[23:31] <martinda14> sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[23:34] <tomreyn> if this was a question, this is not wrong.
[23:36] <martinda14> yep, that's what happened... forgot to eject before unplugging.
[23:37] <martinda14> can I Ctrl-C out and use fsck -y, this is getting a bit long...
[23:37] <tomreyn> yes
[23:38] <tomreyn> fsck is just a wrapper, you can run e2fsck directly, after inspecting its options
[23:40] <martinda14> thank you tomreyn , it worked.
[23:40] <tomreyn> :)