[06:06] <GunnarHj> Good morning seb128!
[06:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: Unless it's too late, the fix of bug #1823778 is now complete and uploadable.
[06:07] <ubot5`> bug 1823778 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Bionic) "Unable to set Serbian as Language" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1823778
[06:28] <didrocks> good morning
[06:57] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:19] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:19] <jibel> morning all
[07:19] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:27] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:41] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, it's a bit late for release but we can upload and see, if they don't let in then it auto turns into a SRU
[07:41] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:41] <seb128> lut didrocks jibel
[07:41] <seb128> did you guys had a good w.e?
[07:46] <didrocks> salut seb128 ! Bof, gastro, toujours l'angine, petite forme quoi
[07:47] <didrocks> et toi ?
[07:47] <seb128> :(
[07:47] <seb128> ici ça va, un léger mal de gorge mais c'est tout
[07:47] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:01] <Laney> hi
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:07] <Laney> yeah not bad, lazy one going to the pub with friends and then doing some garden stuff on sunday
[08:07] <Laney> you?
[08:09] <seb128> I'm good, we had diner/played board games with friends on saturday evening, otherwise relaxing w.e just walking around a bit in the city and taking it easy
[08:09] <seb128> now debugging gst autopkgtest unhappiness on i386 *g*
[08:10] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:10] <Laney> yep saw that stuff
[08:11] <Laney> yo didrocks, how are you?
[08:11] <didrocks> still sick, starting to be long :/
[08:11] <Laney> :(
[08:11] <Laney> any progress?
[08:12] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:13] <didrocks> Laney: will go back to the doctor this afternoon, but yeah, no progress, even a little bit worse during nights
[08:16] <Laney> hey duflu, are you well?
[08:16]  * Laney hugs didrocks 
[08:17]  * didrocks hugs Laney back (carefully to avoid flu-or-whatever passing)
[08:17] <duflu> Hi Laney. Back problems again. I may yet have to invest in an even more expensive chair
[08:17] <duflu> You Laney?
[08:20] <Laney> yeah I'm alright
[08:20]  * Laney donates to the #ubuntu-desktop health clinic
[08:21] <seb128> the tooth is fixed?
[08:21] <Laney> seems so
[08:22] <seb128> great :)
[08:26] <Laney> :>
[08:30] <willcooke> morning all
[08:33] <seb128> hey willcooke, how is London?
[08:34] <willcooke> hi seb128 - on the train still.  The sun is out though, so it's looking pretty good.  How are you doing?  Good weekend?
[08:35] <seb128> willcooke, I'm good, yes pretty nice. Diner/board game with friends on saturday evening, otherwise mostly relaxed/enjoyed the sunny weather (though it was cold, almost 0°C at night, brrrr)
[08:35] <seb128> you?
[08:36] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:36] <willcooke> Golf on Saturday, ground was frozen first thing and then it hailed!
[08:36] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[08:36] <didrocks> Laney: are you heading to London as well?
[08:37] <Laney> yeah tomorrow
[08:37] <Laney> got some Things To Do™
[08:40] <willcooke> morning Laney
[08:40] <Laney> yo willcooke
[08:40] <Laney> what up
[08:42] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:42] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:43] <willcooke> duflu, have you seen anything like what's reported in this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1824661
[08:43] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1824661 in Ubuntu "Nvidia issues with 19.04 and XPS 15 9750 GTX 1050 Ti Mobile: Boots to blank screen that flashes a couple times. Can't get to tty." [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:43] <willcooke> Feels like a lot of the "odd" problems we get with nv are related to these mobile chips
[08:44] <duflu> willcooke, yeah there's always a few bugs like that around. But I can't assume which one it is till the feedback is received
[08:45] <duflu> willcooke, now added to this list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bugs?field.tag=nvidia
[08:46] <willcooke> thanks duflu
[08:46] <willcooke> oh, now the page loads, I see you had already commented on the bug, thanks a lot duflu
[08:48] <willcooke> meh, something odd happening with this wifi.  All Google links are coming back with broken certs
[08:48] <willcooke> Seems IRC is still working
[09:27] <andyrock> morning all!
[09:27] <seb128> good morning andyrock!
[09:28] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[09:28] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[09:40] <sparkiegeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_18.04 suggests that "Software & updates" (software-properties-gtk) is in System Settings (gnome-control-center) - but ISTM that's not true for Bionic
[09:40] <sparkiegeek> shouldn't the instructions be something like Super-A software-properties ?
[09:41] <sparkiegeek> or even Alt-F2 software-properties-gtk
[09:41] <GunnarHj> seb128, Laney: Yeah, an early SRU of that Serbian fix would be nice. My primary hope is to fix the bionic SRU (also MP) ASAP. I put it in a PPA if that helps: https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-control-center
[09:43] <Laney> 'k, I'll get to it when I get a chance (feel free to ping if it's too long)
[09:49] <GunnarHj> Laney: Such a ping won't be needed, will it? ;)
[09:52]  * willcooke -> office at last
[10:21] <Laney> GunnarHj: wouldn't be unheard of :<
[10:32] <GunnarHj> Laney: I added some verbal explanation to the MP.
[10:32] <Laney> Ta.
[11:11] <seb128> GunnarHj, looking at the code seems ok but I need to test it ... btw what is upstream doing in that regard?
[11:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: Upstream pretends that modifiers don't exist. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-desktop/issues/50
[11:13] <gitbot> GNOME issue 50 in gnome-desktop "Display locale @modifiers properly" [5. Libgnome-Desktop, Bugzilla, Opened]
[11:17] <GunnarHj> seb128: Btw, it's in a PPA if you want to test. https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-control-center
[11:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, thx
[11:46] <seb128> willcooke, andyrock, so the g-i-s fix works, good job! (it's not really nice, on the inspiron it spins for like 1m30 or something, but that's not our fault)
[11:46] <seb128> (tested today's daily)
[12:04] <willcooke> seb128, did some testing here, the spinner doesn't spin for me, but it does work - the page reloads and the apps appear
[12:04] <willcooke> andyrock is going to see why it's not spinning.  It is for him :)
[12:04] <seb128> it is for me as well
[12:04] <seb128> on the inspiron
[12:06] <seb128> I hope it does spin not so long on a less low-spec machine though, it really looks buggy otherwise :/
[12:06] <seb128> it takes less time for a full OS to boot than for the snapd service to get ready, that's a bit ridiculous
[12:07] <willcooke> On a vbox vm it loads in about 30 seconds or so
[12:07] <willcooke> could be because I'm in the office though
[12:07] <willcooke> I will try from the train on the way home
[12:07] <seb128> it shouldn't have to do with internet/the env
[12:08] <seb128> it's mostly snapd doing its things which takes time
[12:17] <didrocks> I guess a good fallback would be "if not after xxx seconds, offline answer"
[12:17] <didrocks> but ideally, that would be in snapd itself
[12:19] <seb128> well, it does spin only for a limited time
[12:20] <seb128> and you can do "finish" any time if you wish
[12:20] <seb128> there is not much more we can from the UI side, it's really the service delay with is the issue for the user experience...
[12:20] <popey> is there some way to launch gnome-initial-setup other than deleting the .config file for it?
[12:21] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, hence the service could by itself have a SLA and in that case send back a default list
[12:22] <didrocks> popey: I don't think so (from --help)
[12:22] <popey> hm
[12:22] <didrocks> popey: /usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup --existing-user
[12:22] <didrocks> I'm wrong, just run it, the check is only in the autostart file
[12:23] <popey> great! Thanks
[12:23] <didrocks> yw!
[12:24] <popey> we have updated the ubuntu-firstrun category in the store, but I'm not seeing that reflected in g-i-s
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, ideally snapd would just handle the queries from early boot without having to wait for the snaps to be in place etc
[12:24] <popey> I only see 9 applications in the list.
[12:24] <seb128> popey, you don't see the right apps, or you see the right ones but would just wish it would display more entries?
[12:25] <didrocks> yep ;)
[12:25] <popey> there's not enough in the list, some are missing that I know should be there
[12:25] <seb128> popey, can you do the same query from the snap command line?
[12:26] <popey> yes
[12:26] <popey> curl -s -H 'X-Ubuntu-Series: 16' "https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/search?confinement=strict,classic&scope=wide&arch=wide&x=$(date +%s)&fields=package_name&section=ubuntu-firstrun" | jq
[12:26] <seb128> and it's fine there?
[12:26] <seb128> do you have the same ones missing the UI every time (which ones?) or does it change?
[12:26] <popey> looks same every time I launch
[12:29] <willcooke> remember its hiding ones you already have installed
[12:29] <popey> oh!
[12:29] <popey> I didn't know that.
[12:30]  * willcooke -> meeting
[12:31] <popey> I'll start a clean VM and test it.
[13:24] <sparkiegeek> hmm, after upgrading (from Bionic) to Disco, I hit an issue where Bluetooth failed to establish a connection to my headset. in dmesg, I see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y95cN8nHPX/
[13:24] <sparkiegeek> note that my bluetooth adapter is USB, and I had it plugged in to a hub built in to my keyboard
[13:25] <sparkiegeek> I have subsequently tried it in a different USB port, and got success
[13:25] <sparkiegeek> but this is a regression, since (with workarounds) I had it working just fine via the keyboard in Bionic
[13:30] <seb128> sparkiegeek, hey, what do you mean "with workarounds"
[13:31] <seb128> 'hci0: corrupted ACL packet" does look like a kernel/drive issue more than a desktop one though
[14:00] <seb128> tseliot, hey, is https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-19-04-and-nvidia-settings/10580 something you saw?
[14:00] <seb128> seems like it was also reported as bug #1822937 on launchpad
[14:00] <ubot5`> bug 1822937 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu) "NVIDIA settings won't write to /etc/xorg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1822937
[14:03] <tseliot> seb128: maybe there is something wrong with the polkit dependency, or maybe they are using a version of nvidia-settings that is not from the archive
[14:04] <tseliot> I can have a look later this week
[14:04] <seb128> tseliot, k, let me ask on the post to start
[14:12] <andyrock> seb128: I found the problem with livepatch indicator (the one about the fact that it fails to go from the warning state to the ok state)
[14:12] <seb128> andyrock, oh, nice
[14:12] <andyrock> seb128: basically there is an undocumented state in livepatch ("applying")
[14:12] <andyrock> the fix should be quick
[14:13] <andyrock> so if the state == "applying" reschedule the check (like we do for "needs-check" and "unapplied")
[14:13] <andyrock> I'll open a bug and propose a fix, sorry about that!
[14:16] <seb128> andyrock, no worry, good that you figured it out, at least it was not wasted time :)
[14:21] <andyrock> seb128: should I open a bug? that indicator is not displayed in disco and not yet released in bionic
[14:21] <andyrock> seb128: wdyt?
[14:21] <seb128> andyrock, don't bother, just do a mp
[14:21] <andyrock> kk
[14:22] <seb128> andyrock, I will reupload to bionic SRU with the fix included
[14:41] <willcooke> anyone know if one can "arrange" the icons on the desktop any more?
[14:41] <willcooke> on D
[14:42] <willcooke> report from a user who upgraded said that his desktop icons all got moved (which is entirely unexpected) - but I dont see an easy way to have them arrange themselves in a grid without dragging each icon
[14:51] <willcooke> s/is entirely/is not entirely
[14:51] <Laney> don't think so
[14:52] <Laney> https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/ShellExtensions/desktop-icons/issues/98 probably
[14:52] <gitbot> Shell extensions issue 98 in desktop-icons "Rearrange / Sort icons" [Opened]
[14:55] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[14:55] <Laney> Quality Bug Report
[14:55] <willcooke> :D
[14:58] <willcooke> This one might evolve in to something more useful: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/ShellExtensions/desktop-icons/issues/95
[14:58] <gitbot> Shell extensions issue 95 in desktop-icons "Icon placement setting" [Opened]
[14:58] <willcooke> hi CadBane
[14:59] <willcooke> CadBane, so yeah, looks like an "arrange" feature is missing from the extension which provides icons on the desktop at the moment.  There are a couple of bugs open upstream which look to cover that feature, so likely this is something which will come in time. In the meantime I'm afraid it looks like the only option is drag them to where you want them.
[15:00] <willcooke> I'm going to subscribe to those two bugs and keep an eye on it
[15:29] <seb128> right, the new code is not having all the options/features nautilus had (some by 'design'/choice to not make the code more complex and difficult to maintain that needed)
[15:29] <seb128> I guess we are going to schedule work/improvements according to the feedback we get
[15:38] <tseliot> Laney: when you suggested that I add the casper-bottom script to ORDER, what did you mean by ORDER?
[15:38] <Laney> tseliot: when you break=bottom, look in /scripts/casper-bottom/, it's there
[15:39] <Laney> I don't know what it does or if that is even required
[15:39] <Laney> it's generated somehow, so hacking it is only for testing
[15:39] <Laney> if it is even needed for that
[15:39] <tseliot> Laney: oh, I didn't notice. I'll try that. Thanks
[15:39] <Laney> there's no mention of that filename in casper
[15:39] <Trevinho> Morning!
[15:39] <Laney> so I dunno where it comes from
[15:39] <Laney> it's all a mystery
[15:40] <Laney> hi Trevinho, how's it going?
[15:42] <Trevinho> Laney: hey. all good.. intense weekend.
[15:42] <Trevinho> you?
[15:45] <Laney> doing what? or... don't we want to know? 🙈
[15:45] <Laney> i'm alright
[15:46] <Laney> feeling stupid though, not been able to make progress on the casper bug I was trying to work out (but cyphermox is looking too, so that's nice)
[15:52] <Laney> gtg for a bit, see you later or from the office tomorrow
[15:54] <willcooke> see you Laney
[15:56]  * willcooke -> train.  bbl
[16:52] <Trevinho> Laney: ahahaha, no, tranquilo! xD
[16:52] <Trevinho> well, mostly because of hiking the Teothiuacan pyramids
[17:01] <willcooke>  /me -> car -> home bbiab
[17:22] <sparkiegeek> seb128: sorry, IRC notifications screwed up - "with workarounds" is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1822073
[17:22] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1822073 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth headset profile forgotten after disconnection" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:22] <sparkiegeek> seb128: and agree it's likely not a desktop bug
[17:23] <sparkiegeek> anyway, EOD
[18:40] <willcooke> night all, see you tomorrow.  Train in again tomorrow