| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ubuntu-studio-and-zynaddsubfx/100872 | 16:21 |
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| OvenWerks | Nothing to do with Ardour in this case... but (as of 18.04) ZynAddSubfx does not have the new gui. Another good thing for backports? | 16:26 |
| OvenWerks | does our 19.04 version have the new GUI? | 16:27 |
| M_aD | OvenWerks: no | 16:29 |
| * M_aD just checked | 16:29 | |
| * OvenWerks wonders if Debian does. | 16:30 | |
| M_aD | debian? not sure. AVLinux does though and iirc Fedora JAM too | 16:31 |
| OvenWerks | debian is slow... | 16:32 |
| OvenWerks | I think ubuntu is ahead with Carla for example. | 16:33 |
| M_aD | debian prefers stability over newest stuff | 16:34 |
| OvenWerks | A good policy for sure... for some things | 16:36 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Investigating. | 16:49 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks, M_aD: I confirmed that the version in Debian is 3.0.3, and Ubuntu's is trickle-down. | 16:55 |
| * Eickmeyer can't find the upstream repo | 16:55 | |
| OvenWerks | https://github.com/zynaddsubfx/zynaddsubfx | 16:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Interesting. That's what I was looking at, but there's no actual release tagged. It's shows 3.0.5 has been released in the commits, but the last tag was 2.5.3. | 16:59 |
| Eickmeyer | d'oh! There it is. | 17:01 |
| * Eickmeyer must be blind | 17:01 | |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks, M_aD: I can throw this in the backports, for sure. | 17:02 |
| Eickmeyer | So long as it builds. | 17:02 |
| * OvenWerks wonders should it be named zyn-fusion | 17:03 | |
| OvenWerks | but it has to replace ZynAddSubfx | 17:03 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, the steps I have to take here are: 1) clone the Debian git repo. 2) Replace the upstream branch with the tar. 3) Put the pristine-tar data into the pristine-tar branch. 4) Merge the upstream branch into the main branch | 17:07 |
| Eickmeyer | 5) Update the changelog | 17:07 |
| Eickmeyer | 6) Change the git remote to our own repo | 17:07 |
| Eickmeyer | So, it's not an entirely new package. | 17:07 |
| Eickmeyer | It's just updating the old one. | 17:07 |
| OvenWerks | Does that give you the new GUI? or do you need https://github.com/zynaddsubfx/zyn-fusion-build | 17:08 |
| Eickmeyer | We'll see. I'll be investigating, but I need one step at a time. | 17:08 |
| Eickmeyer | Falktx has a package, so I'll look at that as well. | 17:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Here goes nothing... *clicks build* | 17:25 |
| * Eickmeyer sad trombone | 17:30 | |
| OvenWerks | Build deps? | 17:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Nah. Quilt failure. I failed to look for patches and refresh them before upload. :P | 17:34 |
| M_aD | Oops moment.... :D | 17:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah. Also, I failed to see that the patches addressed issues fixed upstream, so ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 17:45 |
| Eickmeyer | Oops happens. :P | 17:47 |
| Eickmeyer | In the meantime, 6 fail mails. Sorry. :/ | 17:48 |
| Eickmeyer | Now 9. But this time, it's not my fault. | 17:50 |
| * M_aD needs to remind himself to subscribe to the mailing list and sort out other ubuntu studio related things | 17:52 | |
| Eickmeyer | Moving it to my own PPA for now until I can get it to build cleanly (thereby, not spamming everyone). | 17:57 |
| * OvenWerks is trying out the D | 17:58 | |
| OvenWerks | changing themes helps ;) | 17:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Hehe | 17:59 |
| OvenWerks | no workspaces by default. | 17:59 |
| Eickmeyer | That wasn't changed from prior release(s). | 18:05 |
| OvenWerks | Probably the choice | 18:06 |
| OvenWerks | Most people are introduced to full screen computing first | 18:06 |
| * OvenWerks likes xfce terminal for not saving a layout for all subsequent terminal instances | 18:07 | |
| * OvenWerks therefore dislikes the way the KDE Konsole works | 18:08 | |
| OvenWerks | our current version of ZynAddSubfx does not include the LV2 | 18:10 |
| OvenWerks | (even) | 18:10 |
| OvenWerks | nor dssi | 18:13 |
| OvenWerks | it does not show as a plugin at all :P | 18:13 |
| Eickmeyer | Appears to be a sepearate package altogether: zynadd for the LV2 plugin. | 18:14 |
| OvenWerks | Almost all modern synth use (even on stage) is via plugins | 18:14 |
| Eickmeyer | This isn't our fault by a longshot. | 18:17 |
| OvenWerks | Maybe not, but these are things we need to look for to be relvant | 18:20 |
| OvenWerks | Another thing that may make sense to add for next cycle is a menu item called "Get Drum Gizimo drume sets" | 18:23 |
| OvenWerks | (opens browser to drum gizmo drum sets page) | 18:24 |
| OvenWerks | Or add them to Installer | 18:26 |
| M_aD | maybe add a instrument tuner too | 18:29 |
| OvenWerks | There is one in gutarix, but ya, I thought we had. | 18:34 |
| M_aD | oh, didn't know that, thanks | 18:37 |
| Eickmeyer | Hmmm... Falktx's package isn't any different from the one in Debian for the most part. | 18:37 |
| Eickmeyer | re: zynaddsubfx | 18:37 |
| Eickmeyer | buildpkg isn't liking the binary instruments. | 18:38 |
| OvenWerks | The eq10q package has a bug in it...may be (or Carla does) | 18:39 |
| Eickmeyer | What's wrong with it? | 18:40 |
| OvenWerks | Look at the maker field in Carla for any of the eq10q plugins | 18:41 |
| OvenWerks | they are ok in Ardour | 18:41 |
| OvenWerks | -controls works ok. | 18:42 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That's a pretty silly bug. Not exactly blocking. | 18:46 |
| Eickmeyer | NOt that it's silly to mention it, but that it's silly that it's like that. | 18:49 |
| Eickmeyer | Probably a Carla bug. | 18:49 |
| OvenWerks | Concidering Carla gets all the other plugins right... It does make me wonder. | 18:51 |
| OvenWerks | Qtracktor does not give that field so I can't compare | 18:52 |
| OvenWerks | Speaking of qtracktor and eq10q.... qtracktor does not seem to allow the mouse events to all go to the right place | 18:53 |
| Eickmeyer | That's odd. | 18:54 |
| OvenWerks | In Ardour, I can grab any of the EQ points and just drag it to where I want, but in Qtractor it puts the coloured ring around the control point but doesn't allow it to move | 18:55 |
| OvenWerks | Works fine in Carla too. | 18:55 |
| OvenWerks | but... x42-eq is fine in qtractor :P | 18:56 |
| OvenWerks | (different GUI tool kit of course) | 18:57 |
| OvenWerks | And qtractor won't let me save :P I am guessing I need the right file extension? or something. | 19:05 |
| * Eickmeyer knows nothing about qtractor | 19:05 | |
| OvenWerks | It didn't like that I was in my home directory... made a sub directory then ok... | 19:07 |
| M_aD | yep, just tested that too | 19:09 |
| OvenWerks | It actually looks like it just wants you to have done something with the directory, I could still save in my home if I wanted to it seems. | 19:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Serious question: What does qtractor do that Ardour doesn't? | 19:11 |
| OvenWerks | anything you want a tractor (tracker) for | 19:12 |
| Eickmeyer | I see, it's a MIDI sequencer. | 19:12 |
| OvenWerks | the two programs go at things from different ends, qtractor is a sequencer first with audio added and ardour is an audio recorder first | 19:13 |
| OvenWerks | ardour's midi tracking and editing is hard for people who are used to sequencer programing | 19:14 |
| Eickmeyer | I see. | 19:14 |
| Eickmeyer | Looks like it's pretty buggy from your reports. | 19:14 |
| OvenWerks | just with one plugin. The others work. The save thing was odd, but really one's home directory is not the best place to store porjects that may contain a number of sub files | 19:16 |
| Eickmeyer | So, here's the thing: A lot of what MiraMikes packaged in Debian upstream isn't getting packaged anymore because he's busy/MIA. So, there is a big, gigantic, gaping hole with the Debian Multimedia Team right now, and nobody has stepped-in to fill it. | 19:17 |
| Eickmeyer | So, packages are getting forgotten. | 19:17 |
| OvenWerks | I suspect the problem with eq10q is a gui lib clash... but I don't know. I wouldn't know which of the packages to put a bug against. | 19:18 |
| OvenWerks | packaging is not fun, well at least for me. | 19:19 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm way too green at packaging | 19:19 |
| Eickmeyer | At least, too green to be taking on a ton. | 19:19 |
| OvenWerks | right | 19:20 |
| OvenWerks | qstuff gets new releases 4 times a year (if it needs it or not) | 19:21 |
| OvenWerks | qjackctl is not the latest (which has a patchage type pachbay/connections window as an option | 19:23 |
| * OvenWerks wonders what else is out of date... | 19:25 | |
| OvenWerks | Studio finally gets moving again and debian drops out :P | 19:25 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That's odd. I just checked the changelog on qtractor and it says it was updated to 0.9.5 in February? | 19:26 |
| OvenWerks | the one in 19.04 says 0.5.0 | 19:26 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That cannot be accurate.https://qtractor.sourceforge.io/qtractor-downloads.html#Downloads | 19:28 |
| Eickmeyer | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtractor | 19:29 |
| OvenWerks | I'm looking at the about | 19:29 |
| OvenWerks | maybe it's wrong. | 19:29 |
| Eickmeyer | My about says 0.9.5. | 19:29 |
| OvenWerks | qjackctl... | 19:30 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes. | 19:31 |
| OvenWerks | qtractor is 0.9.5 here yes | 19:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh, I read you wrong. | 19:31 |
| OvenWerks | qjackctl is 050 | 19:31 |
| Eickmeyer | qjackctl | 19:31 |
| OvenWerks | it says 2017 | 19:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Looks like Ross did that one. Merged with Debian Unstable back in November. | 19:32 |
| Eickmeyer | And upstream Debian is MiraMikes. | 19:32 |
| Eickmeyer | From the changelog: " -- Jaromír Mikeš <mira.mikes@seznam.cz> Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:42:35 +0100" | 19:33 |
| Eickmeyer | So, yeah, gaping hole in Debian right now. | 19:33 |
| Eickmeyer | This is quite sad. | 19:34 |
| OvenWerks | Seeing as we are no longer relying on qjackctl, I would not worry about it too much. (no backport) | 19:35 |
| OvenWerks | but it does look like we need to look through the apps for other things. | 19:36 |
| Eickmeyer | There's always this: | 19:39 |
| Eickmeyer | !latest | 19:39 |
| ubottu | Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. | 19:39 |
| OvenWerks | For audio, it seems a stable OS with the latest apps on top is best. | 19:41 |
| OvenWerks | So LTS with backported applications | 19:41 |
| * OvenWerks tries an install (for completeness) | 19:45 | |
| * OvenWerks assumes the install part is well tested by Xubuntu ;) | 19:46 | |
| Eickmeyer | I tested the install part myself My results are already logged, I had zero issues. | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, I was pretty sure that was so. | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | My main concern was apps. | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | They seem to work OK | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | I have to do an install if I am going to check out some of these packages too. I need to install synaptic | 19:48 |
| * OvenWerks gets tired trying to test with CL stuff | 19:49 | |
| * Eickmeyer hates it when LP's build farm gets stuck | 19:59 | |
| * OvenWerks finds it wierd looking at the released -controls | 20:12 | |
| OvenWerks | The zynadd package may not work too. | 20:26 |
| OvenWerks | (Carla doesn't load the LV2) | 20:26 |
| OvenWerks | Qtractor does | 20:29 |
| * Eickmeyer sighs | 20:31 | |
| OvenWerks | ardour doesn't either | 20:34 |
| OvenWerks | In qtractor I can't _do_ anything with it that I can tell. Maybe It says somewhere what the port is I should connect to. | 20:35 |
| OvenWerks | I suspect getting the new version going will just fix all of this though | 20:35 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, right now I'm waiting on someone to go take a large hammer to LP's build farm to get it running again. | 20:36 |
| OvenWerks | zynadd is meant to be performance only I think. Use standalone to create the sound patch then use the LV2 to play it. | 20:36 |
| OvenWerks | but I will note that zynadd is a git pull not a release | 20:37 |
| Eickmeyer | Ah, I see. | 20:37 |
| OvenWerks | It is not the new GUI either | 20:37 |
| OvenWerks | (actually it seems to have no GUI | 20:37 |
| Eickmeyer | No. According to Robin the new GUI used to be nonfree. | 20:37 |
| OvenWerks | I know, but it has been free for over a year | 20:38 |
| Eickmeyer | Not according to Robin. That was changed only this past January. | 20:38 |
| Eickmeyer | Ah, fundamental said Dec 31, 2017. | 20:39 |
| OvenWerks | Dec 31st, 2017 | 20:39 |
| Eickmeyer | So, yes, just over a year. | 20:39 |
| Eickmeyer | From the changelog for our version: -- Jaromír Mikeš <mira.mikes@seznam.cz> Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:55:18 +0100 | 20:40 |
| Eickmeyer | 3.0.3 didn't have it. | 20:40 |
| Eickmeyer | KXStudio has 3.0.4, so I'm looking at the rules file for that to see if there's any changes that need to be made. | 20:41 |
| OvenWerks | zynadd is not really official | 20:41 |
| Eickmeyer | Unfortunately, with the build farm stuck, I can't do much but speculate. | 20:41 |
| Eickmeyer | Nobody in #launchpad has responded. | 20:44 |
| OvenWerks | Anyway, I don't see anything to stop 19.04 | 20:54 |
| OvenWerks | The black box in Grub is still anoying. If that can be fixed by 20.04 That would be nice. | 20:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Cool. I'll go ahead and mark the build as ready (so I don't hae to on Wednesday). | 20:57 |
| OvenWerks | Sure. | 20:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Unfortunately, that black box is hardcoded in grub. :( | 20:57 |
| Eickmeyer | I might be able to change its color. | 20:57 |
| OvenWerks | The old Studio Grub didn't seem to do that | 20:58 |
| Eickmeyer | That's because it was text-only. | 20:58 |
| OvenWerks | Or maybe the whole screen went black so it couldn't be seen | 20:58 |
| Eickmeyer | Probably it. | 20:58 |
| Eickmeyer | Ubuntu MATE (from whom it was forked) does the same thing. | 20:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Build farm unstuck, build still has issues. Working.... | 21:11 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: As far as zynaddsubfx goes, I'm going to have to punt this to Ross. I can't get it to build. :( | 23:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Way over my head. | 23:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Build as a debian package, that is. | 23:18 |
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