[16:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ubuntu-studio-and-zynaddsubfx/100872
[16:26] <OvenWerks> Nothing to do with Ardour in this case... but (as of 18.04) ZynAddSubfx does not have the new gui. Another good thing for backports?
[16:27] <OvenWerks> does our 19.04 version have the new GUI?
[16:29] <M_aD> OvenWerks: no
[16:29]  * M_aD just checked
[16:30]  * OvenWerks wonders if Debian does.
[16:31] <M_aD> debian? not sure. AVLinux does though and iirc Fedora JAM too
[16:32] <OvenWerks> debian is slow...
[16:33] <OvenWerks> I think ubuntu is ahead with Carla for example.
[16:34] <M_aD> debian prefers stability over newest stuff
[16:36] <OvenWerks> A good policy for sure... for some things
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Investigating.
[16:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, M_aD: I confirmed that the version in Debian is 3.0.3, and Ubuntu's is trickle-down.
[16:55]  * Eickmeyer can't find the upstream repo
[16:57] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/zynaddsubfx/zynaddsubfx
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. That's what I was looking at, but there's no actual release tagged. It's shows 3.0.5 has been released in the commits, but the last tag was 2.5.3.
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> d'oh! There it is.
[17:01]  * Eickmeyer must be blind
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, M_aD: I can throw this in the backports, for sure.
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> So long as it builds.
[17:03]  * OvenWerks wonders should it be named zyn-fusion
[17:03] <OvenWerks> but it has to replace ZynAddSubfx
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> Well, the steps I have to take here are: 1) clone the Debian git repo. 2) Replace the upstream branch with the tar. 3) Put the pristine-tar data into the pristine-tar branch. 4) Merge the upstream branch into the main branch
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> 5) Update the changelog
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> 6) Change the git remote to our own repo
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> So, it's not an entirely new package.
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> It's just updating the old one.
[17:08] <OvenWerks> Does that give you the new GUI? or do you need https://github.com/zynaddsubfx/zyn-fusion-build
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> We'll see. I'll be investigating, but I need one step at a time.
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Falktx has a package, so I'll look at that as well.
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> Here goes nothing... *clicks build*
[17:30]  * Eickmeyer sad trombone
[17:32] <OvenWerks> Build deps?
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> Nah. Quilt failure. I failed to look for patches and refresh them before upload. :P
[17:44] <M_aD> Oops moment.... :D
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Also, I failed to see that the patches addressed issues fixed upstream, so ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Oops happens. :P
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> In the meantime, 6 fail mails. Sorry. :/
[17:50] <Eickmeyer> Now 9. But this time, it's not my fault.
[17:52]  * M_aD needs to remind himself to subscribe to the mailing list and sort out other ubuntu studio related things
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> Moving it to my own PPA for now until I can get it to build cleanly (thereby, not spamming everyone).
[17:58]  * OvenWerks is trying out the D
[17:59] <OvenWerks> changing themes helps ;)
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> Hehe
[17:59] <OvenWerks> no workspaces by default.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> That wasn't changed from prior release(s).
[18:06] <OvenWerks> Probably the choice
[18:06] <OvenWerks> Most people are introduced to full screen computing first
[18:07]  * OvenWerks likes xfce terminal for not saving a layout for all subsequent terminal instances
[18:08]  * OvenWerks therefore dislikes the way the KDE Konsole works
[18:10] <OvenWerks> our current version of ZynAddSubfx does not include the LV2
[18:10] <OvenWerks> (even)
[18:13] <OvenWerks> nor dssi
[18:13] <OvenWerks> it does not show as a plugin at all  :P
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> Appears to be a sepearate package altogether: zynadd for the LV2 plugin.
[18:14] <OvenWerks> Almost all modern synth use (even on stage) is via plugins
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> This isn't our fault by a longshot.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> Maybe not, but these are things we need to look for to be relvant
[18:23] <OvenWerks> Another thing that may make sense to add for next cycle is a menu item called "Get Drum Gizimo drume sets"
[18:24] <OvenWerks> (opens browser to drum gizmo drum sets page)
[18:26] <OvenWerks> Or add them to Installer
[18:29] <M_aD> maybe add a instrument tuner too
[18:34] <OvenWerks> There is one in gutarix, but ya, I thought we had.
[18:37] <M_aD> oh, didn't know that, thanks
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> Hmmm... Falktx's package isn't any different from the one in Debian for the most part.
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> re: zynaddsubfx
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> buildpkg isn't liking the binary instruments.
[18:39] <OvenWerks> The eq10q package has a bug in it...may be (or Carla does)
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> What's wrong with it?
[18:41] <OvenWerks> Look at the maker field in Carla for any of the eq10q plugins
[18:41] <OvenWerks> they are ok in Ardour
[18:42] <OvenWerks> -controls works ok.
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's a pretty silly bug. Not exactly blocking.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> NOt that it's silly to mention it, but that it's silly that it's like that.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> Probably a Carla bug.
[18:51] <OvenWerks> Concidering Carla gets all the other plugins right... It does make me wonder.
[18:52] <OvenWerks> Qtracktor does not give that field so I can't compare
[18:53] <OvenWerks> Speaking of qtracktor and eq10q.... qtracktor does not seem to allow the mouse events to all go to the right place
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> That's odd.
[18:55] <OvenWerks> In Ardour, I can grab any of the EQ points and just drag it to where I want, but in Qtractor it puts the coloured ring around the control point but doesn't allow it to move
[18:55] <OvenWerks> Works fine in Carla too.
[18:56] <OvenWerks> but... x42-eq is fine in qtractor :P
[18:57] <OvenWerks> (different GUI tool kit of course)
[19:05] <OvenWerks> And qtractor won't let me save :P I am guessing I need the right file extension? or something.
[19:05]  * Eickmeyer knows nothing about qtractor
[19:07] <OvenWerks> It didn't like that I was in my home directory... made a sub directory then ok...
[19:09] <M_aD> yep, just tested that too
[19:10] <OvenWerks> It actually looks like it just wants you to have done something with the directory, I could still save in my home if I wanted to it seems.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Serious question: What does qtractor do that Ardour doesn't?
[19:12] <OvenWerks> anything you want a tractor (tracker) for
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> I see, it's a MIDI sequencer.
[19:13] <OvenWerks> the two programs go at things from different ends, qtractor is a sequencer first with audio added and ardour is an audio recorder first
[19:14] <OvenWerks> ardour's midi tracking and editing is hard for people who are used to sequencer programing
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> I see.
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> Looks like it's pretty buggy from your reports.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> just with one plugin. The others work. The save thing was odd, but really one's home directory is not the best place to store porjects that may contain a number of sub files
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> So, here's the thing: A lot of what MiraMikes packaged in Debian upstream isn't getting packaged anymore because he's busy/MIA. So, there is a big, gigantic, gaping hole with the Debian Multimedia Team right now, and nobody has stepped-in to fill it.
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> So, packages are getting forgotten.
[19:18] <OvenWerks> I suspect the problem with eq10q is a gui lib clash... but I don't know. I wouldn't know which of the packages to put a bug against.
[19:19] <OvenWerks> packaging is not fun, well at least for me.
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> I'm way too green at packaging
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> At least, too green to be taking on a ton.
[19:20] <OvenWerks> right
[19:21] <OvenWerks> qstuff gets new releases 4 times a year (if it needs it or not)
[19:23] <OvenWerks> qjackctl is not the latest (which has a patchage type pachbay/connections window as an option
[19:25]  * OvenWerks wonders what else is out of date...
[19:25] <OvenWerks> Studio finally gets moving again and debian drops out :P
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's odd. I just checked the changelog on qtractor and it says it was updated to 0.9.5 in February?
[19:26] <OvenWerks> the one in 19.04 says 0.5.0
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That cannot be accurate.https://qtractor.sourceforge.io/qtractor-downloads.html#Downloads
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtractor
[19:29] <OvenWerks> I'm looking at the about
[19:29] <OvenWerks> maybe it's wrong.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> My about says 0.9.5.
[19:30] <OvenWerks> qjackctl...
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> qtractor is 0.9.5 here yes
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I read you wrong.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> qjackctl is 050
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> qjackctl
[19:31] <OvenWerks> it says 2017
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Looks like Ross did that one. Merged with Debian Unstable back in November.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> And upstream Debian is MiraMikes.
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> From the changelog: " -- Jaromír Mikeš <mira.mikes@seznam.cz>  Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:42:35 +0100"
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> So, yeah, gaping hole in Debian right now.
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> This is quite sad.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> Seeing as we are no longer relying on qjackctl, I would not worry about it too much. (no backport)
[19:36] <OvenWerks> but it does look like we need to look through the apps for other things.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> There's always this:
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> !latest
[19:41] <OvenWerks> For audio, it seems a stable OS with the latest apps on top is best.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> So LTS with backported applications
[19:45]  * OvenWerks tries an install (for completeness)
[19:46]  * OvenWerks assumes the install part is well tested by Xubuntu ;)
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> I tested the install part myself My results are already logged, I had zero issues.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> Ya, I was pretty sure that was so.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> My main concern was apps.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> They seem to work OK
[19:48] <OvenWerks> I have to do an install if I am going to check out some of these packages too. I need to install synaptic
[19:49]  * OvenWerks gets tired trying to test with CL stuff
[19:59]  * Eickmeyer hates it when LP's build farm gets stuck
[20:12]  * OvenWerks finds it wierd looking at the released -controls
[20:26] <OvenWerks> The zynadd package may not work too.
[20:26] <OvenWerks> (Carla doesn't load the LV2)
[20:29] <OvenWerks> Qtractor does
[20:31]  * Eickmeyer sighs
[20:34] <OvenWerks> ardour doesn't either
[20:35] <OvenWerks> In qtractor I can't _do_ anything with it that I can tell. Maybe It says somewhere what the port is I should connect to.
[20:35] <OvenWerks> I suspect getting the new version going will just fix all of this though
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> Well, right now I'm waiting on someone to go take a large hammer to LP's build farm to get it running again.
[20:36] <OvenWerks> zynadd is meant to be performance only I think. Use standalone to create the sound patch then use the LV2 to play it.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> but I will note that zynadd is a git pull not a release
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Ah, I see.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> It is not the new GUI either
[20:37] <OvenWerks> (actually it seems to have no GUI
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> No. According to Robin the new GUI used to be nonfree.
[20:38] <OvenWerks> I know, but it has been free for over a year
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> Not according to Robin. That was changed only this past January.
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Ah, fundamental said Dec 31, 2017.
[20:39] <OvenWerks> Dec 31st, 2017 
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> So, yes, just over a year.
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> From the changelog for our version: -- Jaromír Mikeš <mira.mikes@seznam.cz>  Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:55:18 +0100
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> 3.0.3 didn't have it.
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> KXStudio has 3.0.4, so I'm looking at the rules file for that to see if there's any changes that need to be made.
[20:41] <OvenWerks> zynadd is not really official
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, with the build farm stuck, I can't do much but speculate.
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> Nobody in #launchpad has responded.
[20:54] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I don't see anything to stop 19.04
[20:57] <OvenWerks> The black box in Grub is still anoying. If that can be fixed by 20.04 That would be nice.
[20:57] <Eickmeyer> Cool. I'll go ahead and mark the build as ready (so I don't hae to on Wednesday).
[20:57] <OvenWerks> Sure.
[20:57] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, that black box is hardcoded in grub. :(
[20:57] <Eickmeyer> I might be able to change its color.
[20:58] <OvenWerks> The old Studio Grub didn't seem to do that
[20:58] <Eickmeyer> That's because it was text-only.
[20:58] <OvenWerks> Or maybe the whole screen went black so it couldn't be seen
[20:58] <Eickmeyer> Probably it.
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu MATE (from whom it was forked) does the same thing.
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> Build farm unstuck, build still has issues. Working....
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: As far as zynaddsubfx goes, I'm going to have to punt this to Ross. I can't get it to build. :(
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> Way over my head.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> Build as a debian package, that is.