[00:12] <guiverc> i see issues above ^ :(  but all https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ were clean (haven't done 3 secure-boot; looking at the 'ultracrap' again to see if I can reset that on, but couldn't find how last time..)
[00:12] <wxl> OMG GUIVERC
[00:12] <wxl> i can't believe you knocked all those out!!!!!!
[00:13] <tsimonq2> WOAH
[00:13] <tsimonq2> NICE!
[00:13] <wxl> who's got a secure boot machine with efi?
[00:13] <wxl> or
[00:13] <wxl> guiverc tell me the specs of your machine and i'll see if i can't find the solution for you (dmidecode might help)
[00:14] <guiverc> it's not mine; which is why I've sorta been careful.. but i may have just got it (reset all to defaults) - so I maybe able to last three :)  thanks wxl 
[00:15] <wxl> ok THANK YOU
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[00:29] <tsimonq2> Dinner time. I'll be back to polish more.
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[00:30] <wxl> oh @tsimonq2 you forgot to fix the spelling of Trojitá
 Aww maaan
 Ok
 *grammar nazi spotted*
 For the blog, I hope so
[00:32] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker just to be clear, that's NOT me, that's boo boo head over there
[00:32]  * wxl points to tsimonq2 
[00:32] <wxl> he can take his oxford command and stick it
[00:32] <wxl> s/\(comma\)nd/\1/
 I think you should be quiet, sit down, and learn some proper english
 Woah! Calm down wcl
[00:33] <wxl> :)
 *wxl
[00:33] <wxl> yeah ok, i mean maybe boo boo head was too harsh
 Hmmm
 *hands a plate of poha to wxl to calm him down*
[00:34] <wxl> dan XD
 XD
[00:34] <guiverc> the sony ultracrap "Secure boot failed  Your VAIO has detected an invalid operating system.."  Maybe it's just my settings.. but someone who's installed uefi before may need to check an install works.
 @wxl [<wxl> yeah ok, i mean maybe boo boo head was too harsh], Love you too, dumbass
 I MEAN
 Smartass
 I MEAN
[00:35] <wxl> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 hi
[00:35] <wxl> COC VIOLATION
[00:35] <wxl> MUCH BANS
 XD
 @guiverc [<guiverc> the sony ultracrap "Secure boot failed  Your VAIO has detected an inva …], I will do it. If it's not urgent.
 Will do it tonight
[00:35] <wxl> ew you didn't say it was a vaio guiverc my condolences
[00:36] <guiverc> wxl - none needed - it's not mine (otherwise I'd have thrown it thru a window well ebfore now)
 Fighting with my Dell right now.
[00:36] <wxl> sony = masters of proprietary garbage
 Acer machines da besht!
 Where were the Grammer police here "Operation System not found"?
[00:38] <guiverc> kc2bez, it spell checks :)
[00:38] <wxl> um
[00:38] <wxl> i think the grammar police would be more concerned about the grammer 
 wee woo
 *looks at wxl glaring at dalton*
[00:47] <wxl> headed home
 Cya!
 wxl @tsimonq2  bug 1824910
 Ack thanks :)
[01:42] <guiverc> kc2bez, wouldn't users connect to wifi/web before they tried to add additional drivers, or is the ubuntu-drivers set to autorun on first boot (before they have a chance to connect)
 I would expect most people to connect but if they can't or don't we should probably be able to install the display drivers.
 It isn't set to autorun now but @tsimonq2 was looking to add it to the installer I think.
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[04:17] <wxl> thanks @kc2bez 
[04:17] <wxl> i guess i should target this bug at calamares settings or something @tsimonq2 ?
[04:18] <wxl> maybe not
[04:18] <wxl> it does seem to be a bug in ubuntu
[04:18] <wxl> this is the same behavior with ubuntu right, @kc2bez ?
[04:32] <guiverc> wxl, i have a xubuntu downloaded, but how would i look.. (if that would help), but wouldn't a fix be having a ton more stuff on the ISO - which will annoy more (due size) than it'd please I suspect...
[04:34] <wxl> guiverc: it's a catch-22, especially when without the drivers one ends up with an apparently non functional system
[04:36] <wxl> my *GUESS* is xubuntu would behave the same. afaik this is something built into the instller
[04:44] <guiverc> my hardware is pretty generic so don't notice things needing extra drivers..  (my wacom pen works due kernel)..   I'd +1 including for those without internet & a growing ISO size over keeping size small.  (can't work out how much of my current 2gb thumb-drive is used by current daily iso)
[04:45] <wxl> oh yeah if you don't have need of proprietary drivers it's pretty much irrelevant
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[05:38] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/P5
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 @wxl [<wxl> this is the same behavior with ubuntu right, @kc2bez ?], I didn't try that but I can tonight if you think it will help.
[14:06] <teward> matrix death confirmed.
 Hm?
[14:06] <teward> nah, those using Matrix as their secondary mechanism here are dead (which includes wxl)
[14:06] <teward> it just flopped off here
 Niiice
[15:21] <cheburnet> Hi, devs, I have some troubles booting from nightly build of 19.04, I have already complainted in #lubuntu. Ubuntu Core 18.04 was booting fine today on the same machine.
 @kc2bez [nvidia-driver-418], why are you not using software-properties-qt for installing nvidia drivers :P ??
[15:30] <cheburnet> 4.18.0-16 boots fine, 4.18.0-17 doesn't
 @cheburnet [<cheburnet> Hi, devs, I have some troubles booting from nightly build of 19.04, …], If anyone can reproduce this, or if they come back, ping me please
 I was having issues earlier, but then I did a checksum and my ISO was incomplete. had to redownload.
 Ahh
 @tsimonq2 [If anyone can reproduce this, or if they come back, ping me please], If someone can specifically reproduce and confirm that -16 is good and -17 is bad.
[17:37] <wxl> @kc2bez yeah i think it would be important to see if it affects ubuntu...... and any other flavors. report the results on the bug report
[17:38] <wxl> @teward: what IS the deal with matrix?
[17:38] <wxl> afaik they didn't kill the bridges
[17:38] <wxl> and i see noting on freenode about it
[17:39] <wxl> nothing new from matrix.org since the original breach
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez yeah i think it would be important to see if it affects ubuntu.... …], ack. I will work on it tonight.
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward: what IS the deal with matrix?], all I know is their connections died again 😜
 @HMollerCl [why are you not using software-properties-qt for installing nvidia drivers :P ??], I did test that after I connected my netowrk and that works really well. It is a nice addition for us, thanks for your work on that.
[17:41] <wxl> oh wait this is a new result
[17:41] <wxl> the other day i wasn't even here so at least there's that
 After the release is done, I think as a team our next biggest priority, if you have the skills to help, is to go help fix Debian RC bugs for the Buster release: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html … The sooner these are fixed, the sooner we can get those fixes in Ubuntu, the sooner Buster is release, the soone
 They're down to 150. That should be doable if a few people (not just us) are on it
[17:43]  * wxl assigns emacs bugs to @tsimonq2 
[17:43]  * teward assigns all bugs to @tsimonq2
[17:43]  * teward then spites @tsimonq2 with chaos
 :P
 No seriously
 seriously?
[17:45] <wxl> fwiw none of these are our bugs
[17:46] <teward> and I have enough on my plate prepping E-series NGINX uploads and the MIR bugs I'mma have to file...
[17:46] <teward> not to mention the workload I have to add to the SEcurity team xD
 If anyone has spare time, ofc :)
 I'll be going at it
[17:48] <teward> I assume you have the requisite clothing and apparel for such self-flagellation then :p
[17:48] <teward> *shot*
 Nah man, it'll be fun
 *silently sits in judgement upon you*
[17:50] <wxl> as i read it there are 110 bugs that actually need work
 Create a task: neighbourhood help … And add the relevant packages (linux, grub, emacs) we should fix
 @UniversalSuperBox [<reply to image>], EIN!!!!!! ❤️
 @aptghetto [Create a task: neighbourhood help … And add the relevant packages (linux, grub, em …], Create a task called "push Buster through the door" and assign wxl, got it 😆
 @wxl [<wxl> as i read it there are 110 bugs that actually need work], Yeah, about that
[17:52] <wxl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand status = spite
 110 bugs or 111 in Simons world
[17:54] <wxl> there we go
[17:55] <teward> four minutes later, *Matrix explodes again*
[18:28] <therry_> Hello, I'm back (with ten new DVD-R)
[18:29] <therry_> Yesterday I tried to install Lubuntu 19.04, but, after some minutes of a blue loading screen, it ended to a black screen with a blinking underscore (sometimes white, other times yellow)
[18:30] <therry_> Ubuntu 19.04 is working and Lubuntu 18.10 too.
[18:31] <therry_> My hardware is: CPU: Intel Core2Duo E7300, GPU: NVidia GeForce 9600Pro, MB: Asus P5N7A_VM
[18:33] <therry_> Of course, I could install an other distro, or Lubuntu 18.10. But I thought my case could be usefull for you, to improve your distro (perhaps other people could be affected by my problem)
 Can you get the 19.04 to boot with the nomodeset option?
[18:33] <therry_> So, I'm available for the next 3 hours.
 Odd that ubuntu would boot without it, but that's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head to try.
[18:35] <therry_> Yes, nomodeset doesn't work. I also try with all free software, to avoid proprietary NVidia drivers, but it crashes too.
 Is there a daily of the mini iso net install?
 Wonder if we could get it installed with that, and if it would boot.
[18:35] <therry_> Currently, I'm burning the beta version '2019-03-28 23:42'.
 I haven't touched an nvidia gpu since I used an ion sff card with a pentium d, so I don't have much expereicne with them anymore :(
[18:38] <therry_> What about iso net install? I don't understand
 I was wondering if you could use the net install on the system, if there is one for 19.04 and choose the Lubuntu packages, and then see if it would boot.
[18:39] <therry_> Is there a verbose mode, during the boot, to understand what is wrong?
 You could try adding "nosplash debug — verbose".
[18:42] <therry_> This is a new install. My current distro on this computer is Mint. Would you like I install Ubuntu 19.04, then switch to Lubuntu? I can try that later.
[18:44] <therry_> The beta version is working (but with stranges hardware error, just before loading the desktop)
[18:45] <therry_> Where can I found the others release, between 2019-03-28 23:42 	 and 2019-04-12 14:48, to disect?
[18:52] <therry_> I tried a second boot with the beta, to read the hardware errors, but now, all is OK.
[18:52] <therry_> I will try the last daily with the verbose mode...
[19:01] <therry_> It reaches "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes. (OK)", then nothing else. It stops here.
 Can you switch to a TTY with CTRL+ALT+F5?
[19:06] <therry_> Yes, but I have no account. Have you a magic password?
 try ubuntu with pw ubuntu
[19:07] <therry_> No, it's rejected
 Then, I don't have a magic password
 Try lubuntu instead of ubuntu.
 I know for xubuntu and kubuntu the live account matches the naming structure
[19:14] <therry_> I'm booting Ubuntu 19.04, to install it on my harddrive. I will test lubuntu/lubuntu later...
[19:15] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Disco Final] has been updated (20190416)
[19:31] <wxl> therry_: curious question: does an ubuntu install WITHOUT NETWORK work?
 @wxl should it?
 :P
[19:32] <wxl> i would expect it to not
 really??
[19:33] <therry_> Ubuntu install is in progress (from a DVD). I activeted the update from the network
[19:34] <wxl> therry_: the key is having no network while it installs
[19:35] <teward> wxl: you mean no *internet*, or no network whatsoever?
[19:35] <wxl> no internet
[19:35] <therry_> Installation is complete. Would you like I retry, without network? OK
[19:36] <teward> yes
[19:36] <wxl> please
[19:37] <wxl> interesting that for beta none of the no internet testcases were performed http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/402/builds/190331/testcases
 New isos landing by the way
[19:39] <wxl> i know
[19:39] <wxl> also interesting: there's a bug regarding nouveau making nvidia grumpy with the installer in ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1822026
[19:39] <wxl> no-one: No such nick/channel
[19:45] <therry_> So, Ubuntu installation without Ethenert link is started. Wait and see...
 What size has your /var/log/sddm.log?
[19:52] <therry_> It's a live install and I can't reach the desktop (with Lubunto). How can I tell you this?
 It was a question for everyone and no-one
[19:53] <therry_> sorry
[19:57] <therry_> Install is complete. I restart my computer
[19:58] <wxl> @tsimonq2: didn't you fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1776748
[19:59] <therry_> I reach the desktop. All looks good (except the resolution), without network.
[19:59] <wxl> ok that's unexpected.. and unfortunate
[20:00] <wxl> which drivers are you using? (`lspci -nnk`)
[20:02] <wxl> GENERAL REQUEST FOR HELP: go through disco bugs at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects/opened and see if anything applies to us.. if it does add it to the known issues https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/blog/browse/master/posts/release/disco/final/post.md
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1822230
[20:06] <therry_> lspci -nnk: Kernel driver in use: nForce2_smbus
[20:09] <therry_> | grep diver => nForce2_smbus, ohci-pci, ehci-pci, snd_hda_intel, forcedeth, ahci, pcieport and pata_jmicron
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: didn't you fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ …], No
[20:29] <therry_> Great! The today daily build is working on my hardware. I reach the live desktop. Very ggod job!
 AWESOME!
 Maybe you could stick around and help us test some more ;)
[20:30] <therry_> Yes, of course
 If you have Telegram you could join there as well
 But we always have stuff to test :)
[20:34] <therry_> I don't use Telegram. I'll be back here tomorrow (same hour)
 Thanks!
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[23:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: do you know why xenial has 5.5.1 version of qt libs but it seems to report 5.6.1?
[23:08] <tsimonq2> I don't know.
[23:08] <wxl> or maybe i'm misunderstanding
[23:16] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:16] <tsimonq2> sorry