[06:08] <didrocks> good morning
[06:09] <Trevinho> hi, morning seb128 and didrocks
[06:09] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[06:12] <seb128> hey Trevinho, didrocks, duflu, & other desktopers
[06:12] <seb128> Trevinho, what are you hacking on this week? ;)
[06:12] <Laney> moin
[06:13] <didrocks> re seb128, hey Laney
[06:13] <didrocks> Laney: on the road? :)
[06:13] <seb128> hey Laney, that's early for you!
[06:14] <seb128> on your way to London?
[06:14] <Laney> yeah
[06:14] <Laney> not happy with this time of day
[06:15] <Trevinho> seb128: I pushed the summary just now
[06:15] <seb128> yeah, it's on the early side
[06:15] <seb128> Trevinho, thx
[06:16] <Trevinho> seb128: I also forgot to mention yesterday (well your yestarday) if you could publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3702
[06:17] <seb128> Trevinho, sure
[06:21] <Trevinho> ta
[06:30] <duflu> Morning didrocks, Trevinho, seb128, Laney
[06:44] <didrocks> hey duflu
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[07:55] <didrocks> We should change the gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock maintainer, too many emails ;)
[07:56] <seb128> :-)
[08:32] <willcooke> morning all
[08:32] <marcustomlinson> morning!
[08:33] <willcooke> hi marcustomlinson
[08:35] <seb128> hey willcooke, still in London?
[08:35] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[08:35] <marcustomlinson> hi! \o
[08:36] <willcooke> hi seb128, on the train still.  Delays at St Pancras because of damage to the overhead cables
[08:36] <willcooke> new day, different reason
[08:36] <seb128> hehe
[08:37] <willcooke> what's the release-notes package called in launchpad? The one which we are suppose to "also affects"?
[08:37] <willcooke> morning jibel, looks like OEM did some good testing :)
[08:39] <willcooke> release notes; looks like ubuntu-release-notes
[08:39]  * willcooke . . o O ( Google first, ask later )
[08:40] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:40] <xnox> project, not package =)
[08:40] <duflu> And morning marcustomlinson
[08:40] <willcooke> thx
[08:41] <didrocks> hey willcooke, marcustomlinson!
[08:42] <marcustomlinson> morning duflu and didrocks
[08:46] <willcooke> hi didrocks, afternoon duflu
[08:50] <jibel> willcooke, yes, they did, some issues with nvidia but nothing new
[08:50] <willcooke> jibel, gotya, thx
[08:52] <duflu> Oh, morning jibel
[08:52] <duflu> seb128, btw I created a bugzilla tracker that works instead of landing on Gitlab. For example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1734095
[08:52] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1734095 in GNOME Shell "Software & Updates not showing authorization popup [gnome-shell[N]: pushModal: invocation of begin_modal failed]" [High,Confirmed]
[08:53] <duflu> Same display name "GNOME Shell" but different project name "gnome-shell-legacy-bugs"
[08:53] <seb128> duflu, well done!
[09:02] <seb128> duflu, btw good job getting another performance fix merged upstream :)
[09:02] <seb128> one at the time we are getting there
[09:02] <willcooke> woot
[09:03] <duflu> seb128, yeah it's kind of good, but as usual least important first. That's a bug no one was provably hitting
[09:03] <duflu> Which is why no bug is declared fixed
[09:03] <seb128> well, still it's less things pending, and eventually the more useful ones end up landing
[09:04] <duflu> But if you want to add triple/quad buffering later then it's absolutely required
[09:07] <seb128> k
[09:07] <seb128> well in any case one less that you need to keep rebasing, so it's a win :-)
[09:11] <willcooke_> desktoppers:  do you want to do a team meeting today?
[09:11] <willcooke_> seb128, ^ wdyt?
[09:11] <willcooke_> There is one bug in D incoming that we should look at
[09:11] <willcooke_> other than that, I think we're ok
[09:11] <seb128> willcooke_, I'm around and fine having one, it gives a sync point, if there isn't much to discuss than it takes 10 min max and we wrap?
[09:12] <willcooke_> sounds good.  I will most likely chair, but in case something happens, I'll ping you
[09:13] <seb128> k, no need to ping
[09:13] <seb128> if you are not around at the time of the meeting I handle it
[09:13] <seb128> ok?
[09:14] <willcooke_> thanks seb128
[09:14] <willcooke_> In the meantime, we should probably find an assignee for this:
[09:14] <willcooke_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1824874
[09:14] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1824874 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "undismissable, unclickable authentication dialog left on screen after policykit authentication [pushModal: invocation of begin_modal failed]" [High,New]
[09:14] <willcooke_> well, decide if we want to accept it first
[09:15] <willcooke_> duflu you looked at that quickly, is it a widespread problem?  I dont think I've seen it
[09:19]  * willcooke_ -> going underground 
[09:19] <seb128> willcooke_, the upstream report is years old, we have one report on launchpad and no steps to trigger, no debug log ... doesn't seem like one we can do much about or that is really worrying
[09:19] <willcooke_> seb128, wfm
[09:19] <willcooke_> I will try and reproduce it quickly this morning
[09:19] <seb128> k
[09:20] <duflu> Yeah it's presently only v_orlon, but there are hints of similar errors in the past
[09:20] <seb128> k
[09:20] <duflu> I wonder if this is a factor: InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release amd64 (20100816.1)
[09:20] <duflu> Something upgradey?
[09:21] <duflu> (that's a word now)
[09:22] <seb128> not likely
[09:23] <duflu> Well if it's only affecting one person, that's a mathematical fact already :)
[09:24] <seb128> it was a one time thing for him
[09:25] <seb128> he also said that his gnome-shell unlock prompt took a while to display
[09:25] <seb128> but he has like 300 notifications, I couldn't reproduce with a notify-send loop though (but my testcase had no icons or anything fancy for those, maybe that's a difference)
[09:26] <duflu> A more common bug report is that unlocking takes a lot more time for one of {Wayland,Xorg}. Can't remember which or where the bug was
[11:14] <tseliot> Laney, seb128: my fix solves LP: #1824177 . How can I proceed? Shall I upload a new casper myself, or shall I just attach a debdiff?
[11:14] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1824177 in casper (Ubuntu) "dmesg spammed with nvidia-nvlink messages during install" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1824177
[11:16] <Laney> Upload it (and reply to cyphermox?)
[11:28] <tseliot> oh, I hadn't seen his reply
[11:36] <willcooke> seb128, all of a sudden the gsettings key for fractional scaling isnt working.
[11:36] <dupondje> Somebody around here with Gnome on Wayland and Telegram on 19.04 ? :)
[11:37] <seb128> willcooke, how so?
[11:37] <seb128> willcooke, or is your screen resolution too low to use it?
[11:37] <seb128> dupondje, Laney perhaps
[11:37] <seb128> dupondje, but best to ask directly your question...
[11:37] <dupondje> Well got a reproducable crasher here of gnome-shell :(
[11:38] <seb128> dupondje, 'good', bug number?
[11:38] <willcooke> seb128, $ gsettings set org.gnome.mutter experimental-features "['x11-randr-fraction-scaling']"
[11:38] <dupondje> Take a screenshot of a part of the screen, right click inside telegram -> boom
[11:38] <willcooke> seb128, expected value:
[11:38] <dupondje> seb128: guess gnome-shell bug?
[11:38] <seb128> dupondje, likely, do you have an apport file in /var/crash? did you submit it?
[11:39] <willcooke> seb128, ignore, finger trouble.
[11:39] <seb128> willcooke, :)
[11:39] <willcooke> sorry
[11:40] <seb128> no worry, better this way :)
[11:40] <willcooke> I tested it like 5 times before I pinged
[11:40] <seb128> than having a real regression
[11:40] <seb128> haha
[11:40] <willcooke> ohhhhhhh
[11:40] <willcooke> haha
[11:40] <willcooke> I know
[11:40] <seb128> ?
[11:40] <willcooke> I copied from the web page, and the quotes are not real quotes :)
[11:41] <seb128> DOH
[11:41] <seb128> we should fix that :)
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[11:42] <willcooke> I changed the text to a block and added a note about the quotes
[11:42] <willcooke> I've pinned that post as well
[11:43] <seb128> great
[11:54] <dupondje> https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/340cdc5e-603e-11e9-a481-fa163e102db1 there :)
[13:25] <willcooke> seb128,  infinity is syncing Pulse Audio from Debian to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1824103
[13:25] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1824103 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "aplay record file failed always." [Critical,Incomplete]
[13:27] <seb128> willcooke, +1, makes sense
[13:27] <willcooke> slight change of plan, it's proving very hard to sync, so he's going to take the fixes
[13:28] <willcooke> we can look at updating properly next cycle
[13:28] <willcooke> I wonder if there are still a load of old phone patches in there
[13:28] <willcooke> no, doesnt look likeit
[13:29] <Laney> merge
[13:29] <Laney> that is a proper update
[13:29] <Laney> just to be clear
[13:29] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, if we are still fixing packages, should we get that gedit segfault fix from andyrock in? that's in the top 3 reports for e.u.c on weekly view for some time
[13:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2019-04-16
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 16 13:30:21 2019 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <kenvandine> o/
[13:30] <seb128> _o/
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:31] <willcooke> Let's make this quick if we can...
[13:31] <kenvandine> oSoMoN is out too
[13:31] <didrocks> hey
[13:31] <willcooke> BB incoming, clear
[13:32] <willcooke> BB tracking:
[13:32] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1814169
[13:32] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1814169 in mutter (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Mutter upsteam bug: cannot overwrite workspaces layout" [Undecided,New]
[13:33] <willcooke> assign Trevinho?
[13:33] <Trevinho> Ok
[13:33] <willcooke> thanks!
[13:34] <seb128> (unsure it's rls material, but ok if Trevinho takes it, easier than arguing ;)
[13:34] <willcooke> It got assigned somehow
[13:34] <willcooke> *targetted
[13:34] <Laney> duflu did it
[13:34] <Laney> we should probably gently suggest not to do that
[13:35] <Trevinho> anyway looks more like something I can propose upstream and see... More than rls for bionic
[13:35] <seb128> I will remind him
[13:35] <willcooke> Do we really want to rls target it?
[13:36] <seb128> just delete the cosmic/bionic lines
[13:36] <seb128> I will remind Daniel about the process
[13:36] <willcooke> done
[13:36] <willcooke> moving on
[13:36] <seb128> thx
[13:36] <willcooke> CC incoming has quite a few new ones
[13:36] <willcooke> well, not new, the ftbfs ones
[13:37] <seb128> didn't we say we would notfixing them?
[13:37] <seb128> I'm doing that, feel free to skip those
[13:37] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:38] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/1777062
[13:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1777062 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu Bionic) "Logitech M535 mouse only pairs successfully after 4-5 tries" [Undecided,In progress]
[13:38] <willcooke> seb128, you ok to take that one for C?
[13:38] <willcooke> or remove C
[13:39] <seb128> I guess I can do a C upload
[13:39] <seb128> can still be useful to some
[13:40] <willcooke> thx
[13:40] <willcooke> Moving on to DD incoming I think
[13:40] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1824874
[13:40] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1824874 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "undismissable, unclickable authentication dialog left on screen after policykit authentication [pushModal: invocation of begin_modal failed]" [High,New]
[13:40] <willcooke> from this morning
[13:41] <willcooke> probably too late now
[13:41] <seb128> I vote -1, it's a one time report from 1 user (even if it's Steve) without debug info
[13:41] <Trevinho> I noticed it, done some debugging... but... not sure. maybe for later
[13:41] <seb128> I doubt it's a new issue, Daniel found warnings similar to the ones from the journal from 2015
[13:41] <willcooke> notfixing
[13:41] <seb128> +1
[13:42] <seb128> dear launchpad, please stop being a piece of c*
[13:42] <seb128> (timeouting)
[13:43] <willcooke> k, I think thats all the rls bugs we need to talk about this time
[13:43] <seb128> ah, better :p
[13:43] <willcooke> #topic AOB
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[13:43] <willcooke> Anyone got anything?
[13:44] <didrocks> nothing for me
[13:44] <willcooke> 1 min timeout
[13:45] <seb128> one comment, please review the trello board and clean your card out from the 19.04 list as appropriate
[13:45] <seb128> at this point they are either done, not going to happen or for next cycle
[13:45] <seb128> the SRUs can go on the next cycle board
[13:45] <seb128> so the board should be clean by eow
[13:46] <seb128> I'm going to chasse down and nag people who don't clean it, but you get negative karma point if I need to do that :p
[13:46] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:46] <kenvandine> :)
[13:46] <seb128> (I already did a good round of update on friday)
[13:46] <seb128> np
[13:46] <seb128> that's it from me :)
[13:46] <willcooke> anyone else.... 30 seconds
[13:47] <kenvandine> disco!
[13:47] <kenvandine> that is all :)
[13:47] <willcooke> #endmeeting
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[13:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 16 13:47:24 2019 UTC.
[13:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-04-16-13.30.moin.txt
[13:47] <willcooke> thanks all
[13:47] <Trevinho> thanks...
[13:47] <didrocks> thx
[13:47]  * Trevinho hides in his timezone again 
[13:48] <seb128> Trevinho, how is it going? what time is it for you, too early to wake up? ;)
[13:48] <Trevinho> seb128: good... It's 8.48
[13:48] <seb128> k, a bit early for you
[13:49] <Trevinho> but... yeah doable for the meeting. I can just go for another quick nap 😅
[13:49] <seb128> :)
[13:53] <Trevinho> seb128: ah thanks for publishing the silo I see it's released already now...
[13:53] <seb128> Trevinho, np!
[14:09] <seb128> Laney, unping about gedit, willcook_e was nice enough to give me a status update saying it was discussed in London :-)
[14:10] <Laney> didn't see a ping, sorry
[14:10] <Laney> thought he just asked me irl
[14:11] <Laney> oh right, it got merged in my eyes with the meeting roll call
[14:12] <seb128> nw
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[14:40]  * seb128 goes for some sport, bbiab
[15:11] <andyrock> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1822753
[15:11] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1822753 in gedit (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gedit:11:gedit_metadata_manager_set:gedit_document_set_metadata:save_metadata:gedit_document_dispose:g_object_unref" [Undecided,In progress]
[15:24] <Laney> 😘
[15:26] <didrocks> zfsHEADExploding :p
[15:27] <didrocks> so many cases for grub + our advanced zfs usage (/boot in separate partition, zfs, non zfs, persistent, …), crazy…
[15:28] <didrocks> and ofc, /etc/fstab which can be in other partitions, and… and… and snapshot which aren't actually mountpoints :p
[16:18] <Laney> going to upload https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+git/gnome-initial-setup/+merge/366123 unless any objections
[16:18] <Laney> the huge spinner looks really stupid
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[16:38] <Wimpress> Afternoon desktoppers
[16:39] <Wimpress> I've been running some ISO tests.
[16:39] <Wimpress> Looking good. One questions.
[16:39] <Wimpress> I've installed on a VirtualBox guest and selected "install third-party drivers"
[16:39] <Wimpress> The Vbox guest additions/drivers were not installed.
[16:40] <Wimpress> Is that a bug I should file?
[16:40] <willcooke> jibel, still around? ^
[16:54] <sil2100> cyphermox: ^
[16:55] <cyphermox> ok
[16:56] <willcooke> Wimpress, can you get us some logs?  I dont have vmware here
[16:57] <willcooke> Wimpress, a log with the box checked and one without would be good
[16:57] <cyphermox> virtualbox
[16:57] <willcooke> oh
[16:57] <cyphermox> but it doesn't matter ;P
[16:57]  * willcooke gets his bigger glasses
[16:57] <willcooke> Wimpress, do you mean vmware or virtualbox?
[16:58] <popey> i have just done that install in virtualbox, which log file?
[16:58] <Wimpress> VirtualBox
[16:58] <willcooke> hold on, that's not a thing
[16:58] <willcooke> we did vmware
[16:58] <popey> wat
[16:58] <infinity> Was there reason to believe vbox guest stuff was meant to be auto-installed?
[16:59] <Wimpress> infinity: Only because the nvidia driver install uses `ubuntu-drivers`.
[16:59] <Wimpress> And ubuntu-drivers services VirtualBox guest driver installation.
[17:01] <cyphermox> virtualbox-guest-dkms does have modaliases, if the hardware shows up I'd guess it should be picked up
[17:01] <Wimpress> I just assumed that because `ubuntu-drivers` is the means to install nvidia and vbox drivers, it would have worked for vbox via Ubiquity.
[17:01] <cyphermox> depends what ubuntu-drivers really does, but I don't think jibel's changes would really break that
[17:02] <cyphermox> hrm
[17:02] <popey> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3vTZYwsF/This%20is%20what%20you%20get
[17:02] <cyphermox> virtualbox-guest-dkms is in multiverse though
[17:03] <cyphermox> popey: thanks
[17:08] <willcooke> we're installing vms here
[17:08] <willcooke> VMs
[17:08] <willcooke> not VMS
[17:08] <popey> is there a log I can provide from my existing virtual machine?
[17:08] <popey> or should I just, you know, file a bug in full 800x600
[17:08] <cyphermox> willcooke: VMS, new architecture coming up circa 1990
[17:09] <cyphermox> popey: I'd like to see /run/ubuntu-drivers.autoinstall tbh :)
[17:10] <popey> that file doesn't exist (on an installed system)
[17:10] <cyphermox> ah, indeed it would not
[17:10] <cyphermox> that would only exist somewhere during the install
[17:10] <cyphermox> I'll install virtualbox here
[17:11] <jibel> as cyphermox said, vbox driver would install automatically wuth ubuntu-drivers if they were not in multiverse
[17:11] <willcooke> I installed without the 3rd party and ubuntu-drivers shows the vbox stuff as available but not installed.  It also shows as proprietary - so that's fine.  vmware tools is not shown on my list.
[17:11] <cyphermox> jibel: well, non-free is enabled by default though, isn't it?
[17:11] <jibel> multiverse is not in /etc/apt/sources.list in the live sessiobn
[17:11] <cyphermox> oh
[17:12] <jibel> at least not on ubuntu
[17:12] <cyphermox> well, yeah, that changes everything
[17:12] <popey> can we just move it to main
[17:12] <popey> (I kid, I kid) ;)
[17:12] <cyphermox> how could non-free ever have worked then?
[17:12] <jibel> can you use another VM tech ;)
[17:12] <popey> VirtualBox is stupidly popular.
[17:12] <cyphermox> no kidding
[17:12] <infinity> If people expect this to work form the installer, they need to file an MIR and get it in restricted.
[17:13] <infinity> This is kinda the definition of restricted.
[17:13] <jibel> yup
[17:13] <cyphermox> yeah.
[17:13] <willcooke> ok, so not a bug then.  Thanks everyone
[17:13] <infinity> Right, ENOBUG.  Carrying on.
[17:26] <Laney> kenvandine: can you teach me how to do that snap change when you get back please?
[17:27] <Laney> would be interested in de-bus-factoring a bit
[17:27] <Laney> I assume it's revert 5bc6ae4f5e6fd88053584e9f6bdca3d34a36e937, but then ... ?
[17:28] <kenvandine> i could do that
[17:28] <kenvandine> or
[17:28] <kenvandine> snapcraft release gtk-common-themes 1198 stable
[17:28] <Laney> you need the repo to match, no?
[17:28] <kenvandine> i'm also going to revert it in git and let it rebuild :)
[17:28] <Laney> would seem s-m-r-t
[17:28] <kenvandine> but this is more friendly to store as well
[17:29] <kenvandine> so it doesn't have to update devices  in the field to a new revision
[17:29] <Laney> ok
[17:29] <Laney> who can do that snapcraft stuff?
[17:31] <kenvandine> Laney: any collaborator on the snap or someone with the canonical credential
[17:31] <kenvandine> for themes it's oSoMoN, didrocks and myself
[17:31] <kenvandine> james too
[17:32] <Laney> hmm
[17:32] <Laney> we should talk about this I think
[17:32] <kenvandine> Laney: sadly we can't have a team
[17:33] <Laney> yeah, I remember that
[17:33] <Laney> but maybe we should ensure every ~ubuntu-desktop is in there or something
[17:33] <Laney> for all the seeded snaps, dunno
[17:34] <kenvandine> i had added laney and seb128  to all at one point
[17:34] <kenvandine> but gtk-common-themes came much later
[17:35] <kenvandine> and i added those involved in theme stuff
[17:35] <kenvandine> Laney: i just sent you an invitation
[17:35] <Laney> thx
[17:35] <Laney> let's come back to this at next sprint or something
[17:35] <Laney> seb128 would probably appreciate that too
[17:35] <kenvandine> Laney: looking at some of the others you never accepted them :)
[17:36] <Laney> nod, I remember getting the emails
[17:36] <willcooke> kenvandine, is there a way from the snapd cli that I can get snapd to tell me what base the gtk-common-themes snap is using?
[17:36] <Laney> I think I was put off by the amount of clicking :P
[17:37] <Laney> if those links will work forever then I'll click them if/when I need it ;-)
[17:37] <willcooke> kenvandine, we're good
[17:37] <kenvandine> :)
[17:37]  * Laney tries one of them
[17:37] <Laney> yeah seems to
[17:37] <kenvandine> less /snap/gtk-common-themes/current/meta/snap.yaml
[17:37] <kenvandine> willcooke: ^^
[17:37] <kenvandine> and look for base:
[17:37] <Laney> pub time
[17:37] <kenvandine> if that isn't there at all, it's core
[17:38] <willcooke> kenvandine, going afk.  Will be on telegram if you need anything
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