[00:53] <pikapika> Hi
[00:53] <pikapika> What's the caching behaviour for the panel with regard to widgets?
[00:54] <pikapika> "Status indicator" type stuff like battery level, hacker-mon, volume changer etc will of course always have their processes alive
[00:55] <pikapika> However, what is the policy regarding something like the whisker menu?
[00:55] <pikapika> It seems to get cached after you open it once
[00:55] <pikapika> But it also seems
[00:55] <pikapika> It gets killed automatically
[00:55] <pikapika> Perhaps it happens when theres heavy memory load (lots of swapping) idk
[00:57] <pikapika> Either way
[00:57] <pikapika> It seems to take an amount of time similar to starting process straight from disk often times when I open it again after a long while
[00:57] <pikapika> and naturally thats very annoying
[00:57] <pikapika> So
[00:58] <pikapika> What is the caching policy?
[00:58] <pikapika> And can I somehow force it to always stay in memory?
[08:05] <brainwash> pikapika: you did not monitor memory/swap usage?
[08:06] <pikapika> Memoey/swap often gets into thhe 80%/50% range brainwash
[08:09] <brainwash> the obvious solution would be to increase the amount of RAM or relocate the swap area to a SSD
[08:09] <pikapika> Naturally
[08:09] <pikapika> But what to do meanwhile?
[08:10] <brainwash> reducing the amount of background process may help
[08:10] <brainwash> processes
[08:12] <pikapika> Not by much
[08:12] <pikapika> OS bg processes rarely seem to take more than ~500MB
[08:13] <pikapika> The browser and ide are the real culprits
[08:15] <brainwash> not sure if anything can be done about this then
[12:53] <Soid> I have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither copy nor perfer
[15:29] <Soid>  I have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither copy nor perfer
[16:49] <pikapika> Hey
[16:49] <knome> hello
[16:49] <pikapika> Does thunar not support highlighting the particular folder when you click Open in directory from a browser or is it something only I am experiencing?
[16:49] <pikapika> s/folder/file within folder
[17:03] <Spass> hello pikapika, this forum thread may interest you - https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12650
[17:04] <Spass> you're not the only one
[17:04] <pikapika> Okay
[17:04] <pikapika> I was reading FF's source code https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/xpcom/io/nsLocalFileUnix.cpp
[17:04] <pikapika> checking whether if its an FF issue
[17:04] <pikapika> so its really a thunar issue
[17:04] <Soid> I have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither copy nor perferI have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither
[17:04] <Soid> copy nor perfer
[17:04] <pikapika> Thank you Spass
[17:04]  * pikapika hugs Spass 
[17:05] <Spass> no problem pika
[17:07] <pikapika> hmm
[17:08] <pikapika> so how does dbus work and can I use it so that this universally works for whichever app uses thunar?
[17:08] <pikapika> Let me research
[17:14] <pikapika> Spass, I should put in a bug report I guess for thunar to support this action in future
[17:15] <pikapika> It basically seems its a matter of implementing this: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/file-manager-interface/
[17:17] <Spass> I think this bug report is related - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12273
[17:17] <Spass> it was linked in that forum thread
[17:18] <pikapika> Holy shit
[17:18] <pikapika> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12273
[17:18] <pikapika> Its been there for 3 years
[17:19] <pikapika> My C is okay I guess but I know nothing of linux desktop architecture
[17:19] <pikapika> Should I try my hand at fixing it?
[17:24] <Spass> you're the boss, so you have to decide :) but yeah, help is always welcomed when it comes to patching bugs
[17:25] <pikapika> shit looks like oop in C
[17:25] <pikapika> No experience with their conventions
[17:25] <pikapika> Need to read their code for a while before I can do anything
[17:30] <pikapika> And yeah I am always down to helping if I can :)
[17:32] <Spass> cool, people at #xfce-dev can help you with understanding the "xfce way of coding", if needed
[17:33] <pikapika> Thanks!
[17:33] <pikapika> I will ask their help if needed
[17:43] <wb9688> Why does LightDM not turn off my laptop's screen when locking? It happens on both Xubuntu 18.20 and Debian Unstable. GDM (and Windows for that matter) does, so it isn't like it's a hardware issue. Also, when I lock my screen and disconnect my screen, LightDM crashes when logging in. And when I lock my screen, disconnect my screen and reconnect my screen, new LightDM releases don't want to show up at all, so
[17:43] <wb9688> I've downgraded it to an older version. I've had this happen on both my desktop with DP and my laptop with VGA. Newer releases of LightDM also have the problem that it doesn't want to redirect to the greeter or only after a long time. I'm of course using LightDM's GTK+ greeter and light-locker, with default config on Xubuntu 18.10 and pretty much the same config on Debian Unstable but with Openbox instead of
[17:43] <wb9688> Xfce. Has anyone else experienced those problems as well? Does anyone know how to fix this? Or if this is a bug in LightDM, is there already a bug report? If not, what is the correct way to file an issue?
[17:45] <wb9688> Oh, and I'm also just using xfce4-power-manager on both Xubuntu 18.10 and Debian Unstable on my laptop but not on Debian Unstable on my desktop, if that matters.
[17:46] <brainwash> wb9688: intel gpu?
[17:47] <wb9688> Yes, Intel iGPU on both.
[17:48] <wb9688> "Intel® HD Graphics for Intel Atom® Processor Z3700 Series" in my laptop and " Intel® HD Graphics 520" in my desktop, to be specific.
[17:50] <brainwash> the screen won't power off at all, not even after some time (default timeout should be 1min)?
[17:53] <brainwash> in 19.04 there will the new xfce4-screensaver available which does not rely on VT switching for screen locking
[17:54] <wb9688> It keeps 'reinitializing'. Where could I find the relevant timeout setting? I find xfce4-power-manager's settings really confusing.
[17:55] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager does not affect settings outside of your Xfce session
[17:55] <brainwash> and lightdm runs outside
[17:55] <brainwash> did you check lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings?
[17:56] <wb9688> Ah, I didn't even know that existed.
[17:58] <wb9688> Is it the 'Timeout until the screens blanks'? It's set in the middle, but I don't know how many minutes that are, but I guess 30 min, since the slider goes up to 60 min.
[17:58] <brainwash> pikapika: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12414
[17:59] <pikapika> Ah okay thanks
[17:59] <pikapika> Then I should read about the dbus approach to solving this problem as well
[18:00] <pikapika> oh wait
[18:00] <pikapika> apparently they already solved it
[18:00] <pikapika> Let me check the version
[18:00] <brainwash> yes
[18:00] <brainwash> thunar 1.8.3
[18:00] <pikapika> Okay 1.8.4
[18:01] <pikapika> or 3
[18:01] <brainwash> xubuntu 19.04 will have it
[18:01] <pikapika> I see yes
[18:01] <pikapika> In the meanwhile will it work if I somehow manually build and install it?
[18:01] <pikapika> How'd you suppress the apt one in that case?
[18:02] <brainwash> you can use the official xubuntu PPA
[18:02] <wb9688> Oh, and to even view light-locker, I have to press Ctrl-Alt-F7 on my laptop, just space (or whatever) doesn't work.
[18:02] <pikapika> Okay but
[18:02] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[18:02] <pikapika> Given the same package existing in two diff ppas
[18:02] <pikapika> How do I enforce the use of a particular version?
[18:03] <brainwash> with apt pinning I guess
[18:03] <brainwash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[18:04] <brainwash> wb9688: so, it start with a blank screen?
[18:04] <brainwash> starts
[18:05] <pikapika> Okay so it apparently reccommends to use backports
[18:05] <wb9688> No, when I press space, it does exactly nothing. It just keeps 'reinitializing' the screen on and on, like it was already doing. Just when I press Ctrl-Alt-F7, something will happen.
[18:07] <brainwash> that's quite confusing
[18:10] <wb9688> Yeah, I'm just having a lot of issues with LightDM, but can't really find much about it on the internet, even though I could reproduce it myself with different distros and some issues even with different machines. GDM works well though, but it depends on all that GNOME crap.
[18:10] <brainwash> GDM screen locking?
[18:11] <wb9688> Yes, running in Ubuntu 18.10 (so full GNOME).
[18:12] <wb9688> If you were asking about GDM working well (and not about depending on GNOME crap).
[18:13] <wb9688> And 5 min later, my laptop still keeps reinitializing the screen, so I don't think it's related to that lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings setting.
[18:13] <brainwash> with 19.04 getting released soon I would give that a try
[18:14] <wb9688> Xubuntu 19.04? OK, I'll give that a try when released.
[18:14] <brainwash> booting the live ISO should do for a quick test
[18:15] <brainwash> other than that, switch to xscreensaver, xfce4-screensaver (from the previous linked PPA), or any other screen locker
[18:15] <wb9688> Will that also fix the LightDM crashing when disconnecting a monitor?
[18:16] <wb9688> Never mind, with that it won't even go to LightDM, right?
[18:16] <brainwash> right
[18:17] <wb9688> Btw are there like beta live ISOs of 19.04?
[18:17] <brainwash> lightdm will only be used as login screen after booting the system or after terminating a user session
[18:17] <brainwash> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:18] <brainwash> !19.04
[18:18] <wb9688> Thanks! I'll try that tomorrow.
[18:18] <brainwash> ohh
[18:18] <brainwash> final release is in two days
[18:20] <wb9688> Oh, then I'll wait another day I guess.
[18:21] <wb9688> And I don't really like that with another screen locker I won't have the same login and unlock screen, but that's more acceptable than just light-locker not really working.
[18:21] <pikapika> wb9688, use the jwz one
[18:22] <pikapika> Thats what I am doing
[18:22] <wb9688> jwz?
[18:22] <pikapika> xscreensaver
[18:22] <brainwash> wb9688: I have good news then
[18:23] <pikapika> The ligh locker one was giving me trouble so I replaced it with xscreensaver which was what used to be in older xubuntu versions
[18:23] <brainwash> xfce4-screensaver resembles the lightdm-gtk-greeter login screen
[18:23] <wb9688> Really? That's kinda nice!
[18:24] <wb9688> Does it use GTK+ 2 or 3?
[18:24] <brainwash> no point in using 2 anymore
[18:27] <wb9688> Yeah, but maybe it hasn't been ported yet or something. Though I don't like that GTK+ 3's file picker uses type-to-search (which is also slow) instead of type-to-jump.
[18:28] <brainwash> xfce4-screensaver is new
[18:29] <brainwash> 19.04 is the first release to have it packaged
[18:29] <wb9688> Oh, I thought I had seen that package a long time ago in aptitude or something.
[18:30] <brainwash> screenshot https://i.imgur.com/PqUvs02.png
[18:30] <wb9688> But apparantly long couldn't be longer than 18 October 2018, lol.
[18:32] <wb9688> Does that switch user button go to LightDM in another VT? And does it look at LightDM GTK+ greeter's config for the theme, items in the top bar, etc? Or does it have its own config? Or no config for that at all?
[18:33] <brainwash> not sure how the theming works
[18:33] <brainwash> user switching does involve lightdm and the gtk greeter
[18:34] <wb9688> Yeah, OK, not that that matters for me, since I only have 1 non-service user other than root (which of course doesn't have a password, since that'd be stupid).
[18:35] <wb9688> I was just curious about that.