[01:19] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Could you please mark some results on the ISO QA tracker? :)
[01:19] <tsimonq2> I'd like to mark it as ready in case this is it.
[01:20] <tsimonq2> (HOPEFULLY it will be! Fingers crossed! ...please?)
[02:56] <guiverc> what results tsimonq2 ?  OKay ... new ISO build has emptied it all  :(    i'll start zsync
[02:57] <lubot> <tsimonq2> :(
[02:57] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Just the testcases
[02:57] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I really REALLY appreciate your testing, you're the man guiverc :)
[02:58] <guiverc> ps:  I'm assuming you mean these http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/403/builds/191454/testcases
[02:58] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Yes
[02:58] <guiverc> :)   (only 2 of theme!  cf. to phab....)
[02:59] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Yep :)
[03:38] <guiverc> tsimonq2, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/403/builds/191454/testcases better now
[05:01] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what do i do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1824910 ? it seems this would affect any system and isn't necessarily our bug.. but it seems we should have something in the notes.. or do we not have a bug re: drivers?
[05:01] <ubot93> Ubuntu bug 1824910 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-drivers fail to install Nvidia divers without Internet connection in Lubuntu Disco Dingo" [Undecided, New]
[05:07]  * wxl is confused, apparently
[05:08] <wxl> did anyone finish the last three bits on the testing checklist? https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/
[05:37] <wxl> OH SHOOT SOMEONE NEEDS TO TEST 18.10 → 19.04 UPGRADES
[05:44] <guiverc> booting up my 8200 (fedora) in hopes I have a vm with 18.10 installed  (the fedora isn't used as much so has disk space...)  i could always install 18.10, dist-upgrade, reboot then do-release-upgrade on a box..
[05:45] <wxl> guiverc: that'd be good. you shouldn't need to dist-upgrade. do-release-upgrade should refresh your cache and upgrade anything that needs to upgrade afaik. 
[05:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#953
[05:48] <guiverc> :(   it looks like i used it for some other test... i'd have to install 18.10 (not using my x86 box -- >30oC already & pentium4 ~= heater)
[05:49] <guiverc> wxl, vm good enough?  (i'll do real hardware if I run into probs b/c I don't know vbox well enough)
[05:49] <wxl> guiverc: yes
[05:50] <wxl> guiverc: btw did you ever figure out on-screen keyboard with fcitx and your tablet
[05:51] <guiverc> nah - but I don't really care.  it was only me trying to use that device (testing) as I'd like it to be used (if i used it as a tablet, me I like model m keyboards & real screens..)
[05:51] <wxl> well i'd like to know how that works frankly
[05:51] <wxl> there's likely a package we're missing
[05:53] <guiverc> maybe later .. you'll have to ask me later as right now I'll focus on 18.10->19.04  (I can't trust my memory/concentration for 2 things..)
[05:53] <wxl> no problem
[06:00] <guiverc> it'll be real hardware... looking for thumb-drive  (though feeding birds first)
[06:00] <wxl> pets?
[06:04] <wxl> oooh anonscm.debian.org finally redirects to salsa.d.o
[06:19] <guiverc> nah wild birds..  i could send you a photo link but I posted them g+  (120+ little corella today....)
[06:20] <wxl> nice
[06:22] <guiverc> parrots - so noisy is what most would probably say :)
[06:25] <wxl> guiverc: whoa where are you that you have parrots?
[06:32] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> did anyone finish the last three bits on the testing checklist? https://ph …], Full disk install without encryption on efi with secure boot is tested. I have it that way only rn in my system
[06:34] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> well i'd like to know how that works frankly], I used it once. Didn't pay much attention then. Want me to check it?
[06:34] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker remind me of context again?
[06:35] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [I used it once. Didn't pay much attention then. Want me to check it?], I was talking about on screen keyboard here. Using fcitx.
[06:36] <wxl> ah yes if you could that would be great. not urgent. add it to the task re: fcitx
[06:37] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [Full disk install without encryption on efi with secure boot is tested. I have i …], And here I was talking about the last 3 remaining bits of checklist. I see the full disk without encryption on efi systems is not marked there. I have it that way installed. No problems there.
[06:39] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker could you edit that table appropriately please?
[06:39] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Sure.
[06:40] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> But rn I am a bit busy. Will do as soon as I reach home.
[06:40] <wxl> k
[06:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T67: last little things before release] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67
[07:03] <guiverc> 18.10 installed on hardware (d780) & dist-upgrading now (320 packages to..)  --- reboot & do-release-upgrade will occur eventually
[07:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOG77f6a05561f1: emprettify known bugs format] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOG77f6a05561f1
[07:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOG35bb1b94e170: missing parens] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOG35bb1b94e170
[07:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOG071cd59b27c8: stupid parens] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOG071cd59b27c8
[07:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOG7d8acdb0ba80: known ubuntu bugs link] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOG7d8acdb0ba80
[07:20] <wxl> i'm going to hit the hay but there is an upgrade item on the last bits checklist guiverc so you can update that https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67 THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] last little things before release: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67
[07:22] <guiverc> :)   i was expecting you to disappear before now... sleep well!
[09:14] <guiverc> wxl, `do-release-upgrade -d` success  (18.10 -> 19.04)
[10:24] <lubot> <acheronuk> @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: what do i do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubu …], I just saw this referenced in ubuntu-release, and it was rightly pointed out that Ubuntu and flavours will not ship the Nvidia propriatary drivers on media, so that will rightly fail
[10:27] <lubot> <acheronuk> I suppose the bug is that this should fail gracefully, with an explanation to the user
[11:31] <guiverc> stupid question; how do you `do-release-upgrade -d` using gui tools (18.10 to 19.04)
[12:44] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> You enable upgrade for every version not just for long term release versions. Then check for updates and download them.
[12:47] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> While checking for updates. It should notify you that there is an update available which takes 18.10 to 19.04
[12:47] <lubot> <acheronuk> @guiverc [<guiverc> stupid question; how do you `do-release-upgrade -d` using gui tools (1 …], pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE & … or … pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewGtk3 &
[12:48] <lubot> <acheronuk> to force it ;)
[12:49] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [You enable upgrade for every version not just for long term release versions. Th …], Does this not work? @acheronuk
[12:50] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> I was actually trying it yesterday in my vm. From 18.04 to 18.10 but had to leave for some work. Haven't touched my pc since then.
[12:50] <lubot> <acheronuk> @The_LoudSpeaker [Does this not work? @acheronuk], Yes, but I assumed they were looking for an equivalent command, not a method
[12:51] <lubot> <acheronuk> my assumption may be wrong
[12:51] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> He said he was looking for a gui way.
[12:51] <guiverc> thanks acheronuk, but I don't see those as what users would do (I'm trying to complete https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67 GUI upgrade item), The_LoudSpeaker I didn't find any option to in gui menus..  where was what you used?
[12:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] last little things before release: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67
[12:51] <lubot> <acheronuk> @The_LoudSpeaker [He said he was looking for a gui way.], What I posted is a GUI way
[12:53] <lubot> <acheronuk> In fact, now I think, your method won't work until the release metadata gets updated, which it won't be until a day or so after release
[12:53] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc [<guiverc> thanks acheronuk, but I don't see those as what users would do (I'm tr …], It's in the same dialogue box which has additional drivers option. I for got the name. I will tell you in a bit. Give me 10 mins. Just reaching campus.
[12:53] <guiverc> wxl listed GUI & TUI 18.10->19.04, I saw the do-release-upgrade -d as the text way..; expecting to find a menu option for gui (ie. menu; it could be the -d (development) means the menu item I'm looking for doesn't show yet..
[12:54] <guiverc> yep - acheronuk, i was thinking as you.  (re: not showing yet)
[12:54] <lubot> <acheronuk> Fwd from acheronuk: pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -d -f DistUpgradeViewKDE & … or … pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -d -f DistUpgradeViewGtk3 &
[12:54] <lubot> <acheronuk> guiverc: that will work with the -d
[12:55] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @acheronuk [In fact, now I think, your method won't work until the release metadata gets upd …], Yup! Correct.
[12:55] <guiverc> it's late, I'm tired... I'll do it in the morning...  but thanks!
[15:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#972
[15:08] <lubot> <HMollerCl> wxl @tsimonq2 regarding galternatives https://forum.lxqt.org/t/lxqt-config-on-debian-recommends-galternatives/698/2
[15:24] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> @wxl [<wxl> OH SHOOT SOMEONE NEEDS TO TEST 18.10 → 19.04 UPGRADES], If this still needs to be done let me know, and I can do it.
[15:25] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @EgenhoferJ [If this still needs to be done let me know, and I can do it.], Please :)
[15:26] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Sure. :) Anything fancy you would like me to be on the look out for?
[15:27] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Not particularly. Perhaps to see if the wallpaper and such changed.
[15:27] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Maybe poke around for 5-10 mins, just see if there's anything obvious
[15:27] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Okie dokie artichokie :)
[15:28] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Thank you!
[15:28] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Were there any final decisions on changes to the grub naming?
[15:28] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Just wondering so I can look for it. :)
[15:28] <lubot> <aptghetto> No, no changes to the naming
[15:47] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Here is something that bugs me and I haven't been able to fix.
[15:47] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> The paper icon theme applies to the FF launcher.
[15:47] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> But not to it's item in the window list.
[15:47] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Err, task manager?
[15:47] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Wat o_O
[15:47] <lubot> <tsimonq2> That's weeeird
[15:48] <lubot> <tsimonq2> 19.04?
[15:48] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> 18.10
[15:48] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Working on the upgrade.
[15:48] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> It's something I noticed a while ago that's been bugging the shite out of me.
[15:48] <lubot> <tsimonq2> See what it looks like then :)
[15:48] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Will see if it continues in the upgrade :)
[15:48] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Thanks
[15:49] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @EgenhoferJ [But not to it's item in the window list.], which items?
[15:49] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> It's indicator in the task manager
[15:49] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl [which items?], See the two different Firefox logos?
[15:50] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 [See the two different Firefox logos?], aaa, weid, ity doesn't happened to me
[15:50] <lubot> <HMollerCl> unless...
[15:50] <lubot> <HMollerCl> I remember seeing that somewhere in time
[15:51] <wxl[m]> Someone want to send an image those of us not on telegram can see?
[15:52] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> throwing on imgur one sec
[15:54] <lubot> <HMollerCl> mm, couldn't make it happen again
[15:55] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> https://imgur.com/a/omCbILR
[15:55] <lubot> <HMollerCl> update and see what happenes (including firefox update)
[15:55] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Working on it.
[15:56] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> I've got slow DSL it takes time lol
[15:56] <lubot> <HMollerCl> shouldn't be the case, but running apps with sudo makes the use other icon-set
[15:57] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Hmm
[15:57] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Weird. That doesn't explain Firefox though, since it's not being run with elevated priveleges
[15:58] <lubot> <HMollerCl> $ lxqt-sudo featherpad …  (0x7ffc8c07de00) Warning: Icon theme "breeze" not found.
[15:59] <lubot> <HMollerCl> not sure why this ^ happens
[15:59] <wxl[m]> One is in your favorites or pinned and one is the actual window or Taskbar
[15:59] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> One is in your favorites or pinned and one is the actual window or Task …], yes, but in my case both are equal
[16:00] <wxl[m]> I have a suspicion breeze is upstream default but it needs investigation
[16:00] <wxl[m]> That makes no sense @HMollerCl
[16:00] <wxl[m]> Then it should happen with pcmanfm-qt too
[16:01] <lubot> <HMollerCl> what makes no sense?
[16:01] <wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 some things on that last little things task are questions you're probably best at answering
[16:01] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> I mean yeah one is pinned one is not, but shouldn't the system icon theme apply for both?
[16:01] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 some things on that last little things task are questions you …], Oh, link?
[16:01] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @EgenhoferJ [I mean yeah one is pinned one is not, but shouldn't the system icon theme apply …], yes, that happens in my 19.04
[16:02] <wxl[m]> Oh now I get what you mean sorry
[16:02] <wxl[m]> Yeah i don't know..
[16:02] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> https://imgur.com/a/omCbILR
[16:02] <wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 scroll back dude [Unbreak Now!, Open] last little things before release: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67
[16:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] last little things before release: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67
[16:03] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> https://imgur.com/a/RAqjBJz
[16:03] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> I have a suspicion breeze is upstream default but it needs investigatio …], and when you change icons to e-papirus, instead of breeze i wants to use elementyry
[16:03] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Yay DSL
[16:03] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 scroll back dude [Unbreak Now!, Open] last little things befo …], Fine XD
[16:04] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @EgenhoferJ [https://imgur.com/a/RAqjBJz], I believe you will have to do an apt full-upgrade after discover.
[16:04] <lubot> <tsimonq2> ack wxl
[16:04] <lubot> <HMollerCl> not sure if discover does full-upgrade or only dist-upgrade
[16:04] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Yep, probably. I've never bothered with updates on this VM so it's in need of a few before I do anything xDDD
[16:04] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> Well not never but it's been like 2 weeks.
[16:09] <wxl[m]> Discover does full upgrade afaik. Right @acheronuk?
[16:16] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> So discover is set to allow pre release.
[16:16] <lubot> <EgenhoferJ> But dist upgrade and fullupgrade are telling me there is nothing available yet
[16:23] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> Discover does full upgrade afaik. Right @acheronuk?], I'm sure muon does full-upgrade, not sure with discover
[16:23] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @EgenhoferJ [But dist upgrade and fullupgrade are telling me there is nothing available yet], good
[19:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALde607062dd79: Add pcmanfm-qt and mobile devices] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALde607062dd79
[21:33] <guiverc> wxl, last night:  `do-release-upgrade -d` success  (18.10 -> 19.04) [on hardware]   which I took as your TUI item; gui? I didn't find.  acheronuk suggested "pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE & … or … pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewGtk3 &" but felt too complex for end-users to me..
[21:34] <wxl> guiverc: he's right since there's no "normal" way to do it right now. that's essentially what's happening in the background, though
[21:35] <guiverc> do you want me to do one?  (I'd have picked DistUpgradeViewKDE - but got a preference)
[21:35] <wxl> yes please
[21:36] <wxl> if it fails, do gtk3 and see if it fails similarly
[21:58] <guiverc> added a '-d' to `pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE`  only thing noticed so far is "Upgrading 18.10 to version 18.10" http://i.imgur.com/FxEUkKC.png
[22:05] <Logan> hey all - a question was raised in LP 1811489 about whether indicator-application-gtk2 needs to stay around for Lubuntu compatibility reasons. I don't see any reverse dependencies/recommendations for it, but can someone please confirm whether or not it's needed?
[22:05] <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1811489 in indicator-application-gtk2 (Ubuntu) "Please remove indicator-application-gtk2 from Ubuntu" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811489
[23:21] <guiverc> wxl, `pkexec do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE` succeeded, only thing was 18.10 to 18.10 message covered earlier; rebooted to 19.04 & looks good
[23:21] <wxl> guiverc: that message may be par for the course since it's not released. glad it all worked. THANK YOU!
[23:21] <guiverc> also forgot to say - that was in vbox vm
[23:22] <guiverc> yeah I assumed it was b/c of -d option forcing it
[23:28] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you get those full disc encryption/efi/secure boot installs done?
[23:35] <kc2bez> wxl: I would test it but I don't have anything with secure boot.