[03:27] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: hey can you please review https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/restrictions-on-screenshots-and-videos-in-snap-listings/3087/26?u=kenvandine
[03:27] <kenvandine> And comment
[03:27] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, ok
[03:28]  * duflu waves to kenvandine and robert_ancell
[03:29] <kenvandine> Hey duflu
[06:33] <didrocks> good morning
[06:34] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:37] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:55] <duflu> It's slightly suspicious that the memory overhead of an Ubuntu session (with 3 extensions) is 48MB higher than vanilla gnome-shell
[06:56] <duflu> Or maybe higher. That's without a working ubuntu-dock
[07:00] <jibel> hi all
[07:00] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:15] <didrocks> salut jibel
[08:01] <seb128> duflu, why do you find that weird? it's not that much overhead is it?
[08:02] <seb128> (good morning desktopers)
[08:02] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:02] <seb128> lut didrocks, ça va mieux ?
[08:02] <didrocks> seb128: je commence vraiment à m'en sortir, oui, merci :) et toi/Hélène ?
[08:03] <seb128> Hélène a un rhume/nez bouché etc, j'imagine que je suis le suivant :p (j'ai le nez un peu chargé mais pas encore tourné en rhume, je vais essaye de me reposer et faire des tisanes, citron, etc)
[08:04] <didrocks> argh, ouais, c'est parti pour une petite cure :)
[08:04] <duflu> Morning seb128. Yeah 48MB is a lot of memory. It's even a big relative increase (+27%)
[08:05] <seb128> duflu, k, well a GNOME session take over 1G on my machine, so to me it's a 4.8% or less increase...
[08:05] <duflu> seb128, I mean RSS, not VSIZE :)
[08:05] <duflu> Should have clarified that
[08:07] <seb128> duflu, well, thunderbird takes over 200M, e-d-s takes like 100M, gnome-software 80M
[08:07] <duflu> Last I checked, all that vsize wasn't real memory. It was virtual address space reserved by PulseAudio(!) and graphics stuff. That would be worth revisiting
[08:07] <seb128> those 48M are not tiny but small compared to other things we have imho
[08:08] <seb128> is the desktop icons extension the main offender?
[08:08] <seb128> (I would expect so since that's what does the most objects handling/rendering)
[08:09] <Laney> moin
[08:09] <duflu> seb128, it's certainly got some big leaks I am looking at
[08:09] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:09] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? had a nice London pub&diner evening yesterday?
[08:09] <seb128> how is disco looking from the office? ;)
[08:09] <didrocks> no a11y on gdm after installing with a11y enabled, I guess this is known?
[08:10] <didrocks> (I guess not new)
[08:10] <seb128> duflu, those leaks are more problematic than the default overhead the extensiosn had imhp
[08:10] <seb128> imho
[08:10] <duflu> seb128, yeah which is why it has taken most of the week for me
[08:10] <seb128> didrocks, that's an issue since we switched to GNOME in 17.10 yes
[08:10] <duflu> And I just remembered the week ends tomorrow
[08:10] <Laney> hi duflu didrocks seb128
[08:10] <seb128> didrocks, afaik at least
[08:10] <didrocks> yeah, I was wondering if you know the bug # for it
[08:11] <didrocks> I wouldn't be surprised it's since 17.10
[08:11] <Laney> seb128: looks OK, which means something bad is going to be discovered today :>
[08:11]  * duflu offers Laney a blindfold
[08:11] <didrocks> well, already a respin today, so redoing the tests :p
[08:11] <Laney> not sure about the dinner, it was a plate of mushrooms with cheese melted on
[08:11] <Laney> weird
[08:11] <seb128> didrocks, bug #1796275 is one for example
[08:11] <ubot5`> bug 1796275 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Disco) "Screen reader is not auto-enabled on first login if enabled when installing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1796275
[08:11] <seb128> Laney, where was that?
[08:12] <Laney> it was called TAP I think
[08:12] <Laney> we tried to go to this place willcooke had some vouchers for but it was full, that was next door
[08:12] <seb128> I don't think I tried that one
[08:12] <seb128> ah ok
[08:12] <Laney> honest burgers
[08:12] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, which isn't exactly the remaining bug, as the session itself is good, just not gdm. Let me annotate the description
[08:13] <seb128> didrocks, or maybe it's worth a new report
[08:13] <didrocks> ok, let me open a new one
[08:13] <seb128> ah, honest burgers, I know that one :)
[08:13] <seb128> didrocks, thx
[08:13] <didrocks> at worst another dup :p
[08:13] <seb128> Laney, there is a new one just next to the london bridge station right?
[08:14] <Laney> seb128: we tried to go near southwark station, that was the closest but I think they have a few yeah
[08:17] <didrocks> seb128: bug #1825112 if you want to triage
[08:17] <ubot5`> bug 1825112 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Screen reader isn't actived on gdm if installed with a11y enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825112
[08:17] <seb128> didrocks, thx
[08:21] <didrocks> hum, the g-i-s spinner doesn't spin
[08:22] <didrocks> so, we are back to "application looks like it's stuck"
[08:22] <seb128> willcooke had that issue the other day I think
[08:22] <seb128> it worked for me/others
[08:22] <seb128> so it's a big/some cases, not all the time
[08:22] <seb128> (unless the upload from yesterday regressed, I didn't test it yet)
[08:22] <didrocks> I did several installs, would be good to confirm if the resize change didn't impact it
[08:22] <didrocks> let me open a bug just in case, not attaching it
[08:23] <Laney> would be good for someone to look into that, it was happening before the upload even
[08:23] <Laney> but not in any of the tests I did for it
[08:23] <Laney> so a bit random, which I don't understand
[08:24] <didrocks> yeah, would be good to know if it's a 100% hit now
[08:24] <seb128> or a race and your machine/VM happens to have the speed to hit it
[08:24] <didrocks> yep
[08:24] <seb128> do you have any warning in the journal?
[08:25] <didrocks> I have another install in progress, will look afterward
[08:30] <willcooke> morning desktoppers.  Happy Disco-1
[08:30] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:30] <willcooke> hi didrocks, how goes?
[08:30] <didrocks> feeling better than previous days, yourself?
[08:38] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+bug/1825116
[08:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1825116 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "spinner waiting for snapd content is frozen" [Undecided,New]
[08:39] <seb128> willcooke, ^ that looks similar to the one you had the other day I think? did you show it to andy?
[08:40] <didrocks> like if some blocking call was done in the UI thread?
[08:40] <didrocks> let's wait for someone else to confirm or not
[08:47] <willcooke> seb128, didrocks - Yeah I saw it, andyrock and Laney were looking at that yesterday I think
[08:49] <didrocks> seb128: hum, on your "code copying the settigns is in casper", but this is only for the live session, not the install one where it's ubiquity doing it, no?
[08:49] <didrocks> settings*
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks, I would have referenced to the code bug see #ubuntu-devel :p
[08:51] <didrocks> ahah :)
[08:51] <didrocks> ah, I guess I understand what you mean
[08:52] <didrocks> the casper script does the change on the live
[08:52] <didrocks> for gdm and user session
[08:52] <didrocks> and as it's what we copy on disk with ubiquity
[08:52] <didrocks> the install machine has the same setting activated
[08:54] <seb128> right
[08:55] <didrocks> ok, I was hesitating as it's mostly gsettings if we had more hooks in ubiquity when hesitating between ubiquity vs casper to file it
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, well, it's ubiquity-hook/30accessibility
[09:01] <seb128> copy_orca_config() does
[09:01] <seb128> 		cp -r /home/$USERNAME/.local/share/orca /target/home/$TARGET_USERNAME/.local/share
[09:01] <seb128> 		cp -r /home/$USERNAME/.local/share/orca /target/var/lib/lightdm/.local/share
[09:02] <seb128> maybe just adding a line with /target/var/lib/gdm(3?) would be enough
[09:02] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, could be
[09:03] <didrocks> don't know if there are more gsettings fun needed
[09:05] <seb128> didrocks, there is probably some to do in casper-a11y-enable as well, it does e.g
[09:05] <seb128> 			$DO_CHROOT dconf compile /tmp/lightdm.dconf /tmp/casper-a11y-dconf-lightdm.d
[09:05] <seb128> 			mv $CHROOT_DIR/tmp/lightdm.dconf $CHRO
[09:05] <seb128> anyway, I play with that
[09:05] <seb128> but it's too late now to change casper, so it's for next cycle
[09:05] <seb128> oh, line cut
[09:05] <seb128> 			mv $CHROOT_DIR/tmp/lightdm.dconf $CHROOT_DIR/var/lib/lightdm/.config/dconf/user
[09:06] <seb128> so there is a dconf db for lightdm
[09:06] <seb128> basically we need to do the same for gdm I think
[09:06] <seb128> I might still poke at it today while it's fresh
[09:06] <seb128> and we land that directly after disco
[09:07] <didrocks> yeah, I guess too late for disco anyway and not new. But good if you have time to have a look so that we land it shortly after disco
[09:08] <didrocks> but yeah dconf db is needed I guess
[09:12] <Laney> spinner> We didn't actually see it in any of our tests, would be ideal if someone who does could investigate IMHO
[09:12] <Laney> I've got a screencast of it working in a test install I just did if that's helpful
[09:14] <seb128> Laney, do you or Andy have any hint of what could be one of the cause code wise/where to poke for someone able to trigger it?
[09:15] <willcooke> I'll reinstall my test machine in a mo
[09:15] <willcooke> (10 mins out)
[09:15] <willcooke> it might be a one off
[09:15] <Laney> not so much, something something icon theme / librsvg / gdk-pixbuf / try another application like gtk3-widget-factory / check with a different theme
[09:22] <Laney> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14EpoPYXmj2V-8_F-II1oHteQM683cdwb/view?usp=sharing
[09:22] <Laney> I uploaded that to Google Drive using gvfs from nautilus
[09:22] <Laney> what a world
[09:23] <willcooke> \o/
[09:23]  * willcooke packs up to get off the train.  bbib
[09:24] <pieq> tjaalton, hi!
[09:24] <pieq> tjaalton, jibel told me to get in touch with you regarding an issue with Precision device and the latest 19.04 image
[09:25] <pieq> tjaalton, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2bXr2r6k4P/
[09:32] <tjaalton> pieq: you filed a bug about it earlier, nouveau got disabled and then later re-enabled, so the bug is also reopened
[09:32] <tjaalton> use nomodeset
[09:32] <pieq> tjaalton, ok, so for this device we'll use the "safe graphics" option
[09:33] <tjaalton> yes
[09:33] <tjaalton> or, nouveau.modeset=0
[09:34] <tjaalton> since it's a hybrid
[09:34] <tjaalton> would still use i915
[10:00] <willcooke> jibel, have you tested/are you able to test nvidia drivers on a secureboot system?
[10:00] <jibel> pieq, ^
[10:05] <pieq> willcooke, so... install image, activate proprietary drivers and make sure they install properly?
[10:05] <willcooke> pieq, yeah, on a machine using secure boot
[10:06] <willcooke> pieq, and, if you happen to have a machine that uses broadcom wifi, that too, again on secure boot
[10:11] <pieq> willcooke, I will check nvidia, but for broadcom wifi I don't have any handy now and I have to eod soon :S
[10:11] <willcooke> pieq, ack, thx
[10:12] <pieq> willcooke, should I install the 3rd party drivers (nvidia) at install time, or install without, then add them in the Software Update tool?
[10:13] <willcooke> pieq, yeah check the 3rd party box in the installer
[10:14] <pieq> willcooke, ok
[10:20] <willcooke> infinity, sil2100 - FYI ^ pieq is testing nvidia on a secure boot system now ^
[10:23] <pieq> willcooke, installation going on. One thing I noticed is that when you check "install 3rd party drivers" and click "Continue", it takes *forever* before going to the actual install screen (with the slides)
[10:24] <pieq> willcooke, I was worried, but then I checked in /var/log/syslog and noticed the system was DLing nvidia-* packages and doing additional stuff
[10:24] <willcooke> pieq, known issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1824905
[10:24] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1824905 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Provide user feedback when running ubuntu-drivers [was:Long pause when selecting 3rd party drivers during install]" [Medium,Triaged]
[10:24] <pieq> willcooke, so it might be useful to add some kind of visual feedback for average users
[10:24] <pieq> willcooke, haha ok :D
[10:24] <willcooke> glad we're finding the same things :)
[10:26] <pieq> willcooke, should I add the syslog of my install to that issue?
[10:26] <pieq> cause it's like... 4-5 minutes gap
[10:27] <willcooke> pieq, sure, thanks
[10:40] <pieq> willcooke, looks all good!
[10:41] <pieq> willcooke, I ever threw in a little full disk encryption
[10:41] <willcooke> pieq, merci!
[10:41] <pieq> and everything works and the nvidia prime profile is selected
[10:41] <pieq> willcooke, de rien !
[10:41] <willcooke> see you next week pieq
[10:41] <pieq> the MOK key enrolling process on a Dell BIOS is very... interesting. It couldn't be less appealing.
[10:41] <willcooke> The big blue box of doom?
[10:41] <pieq> I don't know how it looks on other devices
[10:42] <pieq> willcooke, the bbbd indeed :D
[10:42] <willcooke> :D
[10:42] <pieq> on a UHD screen it looks every scarier
[10:53] <Laney> we got a machine with the broken spinner now
[10:53] <Laney> andyrock is looking at it
[11:03] <clobrano> hello everyone 0/
[11:03] <Laney> yeah it's to do with VMs disabling animations
[11:03] <Laney> i.e. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-perl-list//2014-December/msg00009.html
[11:03] <clobrano> didrocks:  thanks for the note on my wiki page! it's awesome
[12:40] <willcooke> Laney, just FYI in case I'm not around when you get back... elmo's bug... if he blows away his config things work.  So not a release blocker for sure.  He's going to bisect his config and see if he can work out which bit it is.
[12:52] <Laney> cool
[12:52] <Laney> could be an extension if any were in use, they are often to blame
[13:08] <seb128> willcooke, speaking of elmo, could you remind him he was supposed to give us details on a libimobiledevice fix he backported locally to get his iphone correctly working (so we can consider doing a proper SRU for the fix if needed). Also maybe you have access to some extra iOS devices at the office, would be good to just check how are things on Disco with those (access to photo, apps, etc)
[13:17] <willcooke> seb128, good call - will do that now
[13:17] <willcooke> (once I'm out this meeting)
[13:21] <didrocks> clobrano: yw ;)
[13:30] <willcooke> seb128, good news.  He plugged his phone in and it worked
[13:31] <willcooke> on D
[13:42] <seb128> willcooke, good :)
[13:43] <seb128> willcooke, still worth asking if he remembers the change he backported at the time in case it's something he needs for bionic, if he doesn't then no worry, I just delete that from my list of things to keep checking every now and then until they are resolved
[13:54] <willcooke> seb128, will do
[15:41] <sil2100> Trevinho[3v1n0]: hey! You might not know the answer to my question but Lan_ey told me to try poking you anyway (since foss_freedom seems to be not around):
[15:41] <sil2100> Trevinho[3v1n0]: I'm reviewing budgie-desktop's SRU for bionic that fixes the breakage with the new bionic-proposed mutter - there's a animations.patch there for dealing with that
[15:42] <sil2100> Trevinho[3v1n0]: what I'm wondering about is if this change requires the new mutter or will that work for both new and old mutter? Since they didn't bump the mutter dependency, wanted to know if that's good or not
[15:43] <sil2100> Trevinho[3v1n0]: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/419571229/budgie-desktop_10.4+git20171031.10.g9f71bb8-1.2ubuntu1.1_10.4+git20171031.10.g9f71bb8-1.2ubuntu1.2.diff.gz <- patch animations.patch I suppose?
[15:43] <sil2100> fossfreedom: ^
[15:47] <sil2100> Trevinho: ^
[15:47] <Trevinho> sil2100: hey
[15:47] <andyrock> good morning!
[15:48] <Trevinho> sil2100: it will work in both, it's just queuing a redraw, which... while might cause some more operations, won't ever cause a problem per se
[15:48] <sil2100> Trevinho: thanks!
[15:48] <sil2100> fossfreedom: ^ nvm anymore, ignore my ping here
[15:48] <Laney> 💯
[16:07] <didrocks> awk awk awk, funny for some definition of fun :p
[16:08] <didrocks> especially as scalar arrays are not really supported for assignement
[16:18] <Laney> awk?!?!?!
[16:19] <didrocks> yeah, for zfs grub menu generation
[16:20] <Laney> :-O
[16:20] <didrocks> multiple datasets on multiple pools, for multiple machine-id which can have multiple snapshot/filesystem
[16:20] <didrocks> you can see where arrays of arrays start :)
[16:21] <didrocks> and as we want to upstream those (it can work without zsys), to upstream zfs/grub, better to use shell+awk than something like python/go
[16:21] <didrocks> but sometimes, it's a little bit of a PITA with such complex datastructures
[17:20] <bcurtiswx> anyone else have this issue: clicking an icon in the favorites bar (mines on left side)  (i'm using chrome for example) repeatedly with the window open (full screen)causes the bar to expand and push the window to the right
[17:29] <bcurtiswx> well, can't reproduce, so nvm for now
[17:30] <sarnold> bcurtiswx: you didn't miss anything while you were gone
[17:30] <bcurtiswx> sarnold: ty